With Software updates and having to download all of my apps from the internet now...will Steve pickup the tab for my increased internet data bandwidth usage charges?
I know many people that are capped at 5gb. So Download Lion this month...opps gotta wait until next month to download iwork or ilife or adobe cs or whatever until next month or pay rediculous overage fees.
And forget it for any one that lives in a rural area without high speed.....insanity.
It's rather evident that Apple is discontinuing optical drives because it is a conflict with their plans for streaming content delivery.
I will say from experience that I ran into some small problems when using remote CD software install on Mac Mini server. The remote tool itself kept crashing on a piece of software, so I had to make a disk image on another machine, copy it to an external hard drive, then install it. We got an external drive to avoid any possibility of that happening again.
With Software updates and having to download all of my apps from the internet now...will Steve pickup the tab for my increased internet data bandwidth usage charges?
I know many people that are capped at 5gb. So Download Lion this month...opps gotta wait until next month to download iwork or ilife or adobe cs or whatever until next month or pay rediculous overage fees.
And forget it for any one that lives in a rural area without high speed.....insanity.
Your HOME Internet is capped at 5GB a month? Move somewhere else, then. That's blasphemy.
So my late 2009 mini will have to hold on for awhile. I have around 50 DVDs of backup files for design projects I've done over the years. Some of the them started as CDs, then I transfered to DVDs, then to Dual-Layer DVDs. So what is the next step Apple? Buy a big-ass hard drive and hope it doesn't crash some day?
Yes I can buy the external superdrive, but as it was said before it kills the esthetic of one small box.
Yes I can buy an iMac, and a I'd LOVE to, but as long as Apple insists everyone use glossy screens it won't happen.
What part of "some people only own one computer" doesn't make sense? If that one computer were the new Mac Mini, then HOW would they make such an install USB drive without a optical drive or easy access to another machine? If the Mini had an optical drive so that I could make the install USB drive...then I wouldn't need the USB drive.
Why drive instead of flying?
Afraid to fly, get sick when flying, cheaper to drive, etc.
If you only have one computer, maybe you can spring for the optical drive...
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Originally Posted by chogidog
I'm thinking that the loss of the Optical drive may discourage some in the htpc market from a new mini purchase. I personally haven't bought or rented a disc in so long that I honestly cannot remember when it was. There is after all a reason all the rental stores are drying up and going out of business.
Just looks odd to see that Apple doesnt sell the regular MacBook anymore though.
I think exactly the opposite is true. I would not even consider building another HTPC with an optical drive.
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Originally Posted by jabohn
So my late 2009 mini will have to hold on for awhile. I have around 50 DVDs of backup files for design projects I've done over the years. Some of the them started as CDs, then I transfered to DVDs, then to Dual-Layer DVDs. So what is the next step Apple? Buy a big-ass hard drive and hope it doesn't crash some day?
Yes I can buy the external superdrive, but as it was said before it kills the esthetic of one small box.
Yes I can buy an iMac, and a I'd LOVE to, but as long as Apple insists everyone use glossy screens it won't happen.
Why is Apple taking away more and more options?
Because they are designing hardware that fits the needs of the vast majority of their customers. They maintain a limited product line and there will always be some use-cases that do not fit into their model. I am sure if you did a real survey, you would find that for every person that thinks they need their optical drive, you would find 100 who have not touched it in more then 6 months. I would wager you would find at least 20 that did not even know what that slot in their current computer was for.
I have a 2010 MBP I but once cd in since I bought it (I quickly imaged it and took it out). The only thing I use the drive for on my iMac is ripping DVDs. I would be perfectly fine with an external drive for that.
So what is the next step Apple? Buy a big-ass hard drive and hope it doesn't crash some day?
You act as though you have to have that hard drive running all the time. You obviously don't.
Drives "crash". Discs scratch. SSDs stop working if you drill a bore hole through them. All formats have caveats.
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Yes I can buy an iMac, and a I'd LOVE to, but as long as Apple insists everyone use glossy screens it won't happen.
Not another one...
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Why is Apple taking away more and more options?
I think they just want to stop making so much money.
Hear me out, now.
Apple's "taking away" features in the hopes that people are actually intelligent and buy from someone else to get said features. As opposed to blindly continuing to purchase from Apple and whining about it.
Apple WANTS you to go somewhere else. Eventually they'll reach their most streamlined where they've taken away enough features that many people don't buy from them but still have enough to make the amount of money they want.
Or maybe because they're forcing appropriate change on the industry.
With Software updates and having to download all of my apps from the internet now...will Steve pickup the tab for my increased internet data bandwidth usage charges?
I know many people that are capped at 5gb. So Download Lion this month...opps gotta wait until next month to download iwork or ilife or adobe cs or whatever until next month or pay rediculous overage fees.
And forget it for any one that lives in a rural area without high speed.....insanity.
You're looking at it from the wrong side perhaps.
In a world where everything is downloaded, the whole idea of bandwidth caps or paying by the megabyte is ridiculous. The faster the downloading becomes a more accepted practice than using old fashioned discs, the faster the bandwidth caps you are currently suffering on will disappear.
I keep hearing about these bandwidth caps in the USA but I've never met or known anyone in my country that ever had to endure them on a non-mobile device. From that I gather that bandwidth caps for home use are a US (southern US), aberration that will soon go away.
In a world where everything is downloaded, the whole idea of bandwidth caps or paying by the megabyte is ridiculous. The faster the downloading becomes a more accepted practice than using old fashioned discs, the faster the bandwidth caps you are currently suffering on will disappear.
I keep hearing about these bandwidth caps in the USA but I've never met or known anyone in my country that ever had to endure them on a non-mobile device. From that I gather that bandwidth caps for home use are a US (southern US), aberration that will soon go away.
Bandwidth caps going away? Do you really think the ISP got everyone worked up over caps just to have it go away? That is wishful thinking. I recently got a notice from AT&T about a cap and they are providing tools to monitor usage. Caps are something that exist and nobody really thinks about anymore.
I'm not sure what all the panty twisted complaining is all about. If you require an optical drive, bigger hard drive, faster processor, and so on, then just spend a bit more and get the 13" MBP (which is way more capable than the old MB). If you don't need all that crap and are looking for more portability, then the MBA is your gem.
The Macbook just didn't' fit in the lineup anymore. I think this was a sharp move by apple and helps streamline their computers even more.
Even though the windows world will take another 5 years to be comfortable with this change, my full size Desktop computer doesn't even have a disc drive.
I upgraded my motherboard and it didn't have an IDE connection for my old disc drive, so I said screw it, I haven't used my DVD drive in years. No reason to spend the $20.
Even my Windows installation was done through USB drive. All you have to do is copy the files directly off the disc onto a USB drive and a modern BIOS can boot from it just fine.
The speed of installing Windows from a dual channel USB drive is amazing.
My parents and friends wonder how I can make this change, but most of them probably didn't even realize that their netbooks don't have a DVD drive - because they would never use one even if they were equipped.
DVDs are slower, bigger, and have a lower capacity than my flash drive. Thanks to Apple for leading the way again, disc drives will soon be gone on all computers!
(The only disc format that should be around is Blu-ray. Still, if hollywood let me download high quality 1080p videos I probably would ditch Blu-rays, too.)
I'm not sure what all the panty twisted complaining is all about. If you require an optical drive, bigger hard drive, faster processor, and so on, then just spend a bit more and get the 13" MBP (which is way more capable than the old MB). If you don't need all that crap and are looking for more portability, then the MBA is your gem.
The Macbook just didn't' fit in the lineup anymore. I think this was a sharp move by apple and helps streamline their computers even more.
this works up until Apple decides the MBP no longer requires an optical drive anymore either....
I have a 46 inch LCD TV on the wall in my sitting room. I also have a 26 inch LCD tv in my den I use for my ipad2
I already have an apple wireless keyboard and mouse
If I get the Mac Mini I'd like to be able to connect it to the TV and my other LCD display in my den just on the wall right adjacent to the TV wall in sitting room, which has comcast router / and modem all wired up.
I suppose I can simply use dual monitors and simply carry my mouse and keyboard between each room as needed. Will it work? That way I can watch streaming netflix movies on both lcd screens simultaneously?
The only time I equate optical discs with an enriching experience is when I boot up my LC 575 and play old disc based games on it.
Because that "disc read" sound brings back so many great childhood memories. There's just nothing else like that sound or how you feel when you hear it.
The sounds that really take me back in time:
The sound of an Apple auto-inject floppy drive when you insert or eject a disk (1984?-1993)
The distinctive sound of the 20MB hard drive in the Mac SE (1987)
The sound of a Disk ][ seeking the boot track on a 5.25" floppy (1979)
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Is the "power brick" now gone off the cord? Is that what some of the optical drive space was used for?
I hate the effing power brick on my 2009 mini cord.
update: it is! Huzzah!
The future: no moving parts, no wires
With Software updates and having to download all of my apps from the internet now...will Steve pickup the tab for my increased internet data bandwidth usage charges?
I know many people that are capped at 5gb. So Download Lion this month...opps gotta wait until next month to download iwork or ilife or adobe cs or whatever until next month or pay rediculous overage fees.
And forget it for any one that lives in a rural area without high speed.....insanity.
Insanity? Or "insanely great".
I will say from experience that I ran into some small problems when using remote CD software install on Mac Mini server. The remote tool itself kept crashing on a piece of software, so I had to make a disk image on another machine, copy it to an external hard drive, then install it. We got an external drive to avoid any possibility of that happening again.
With Software updates and having to download all of my apps from the internet now...will Steve pickup the tab for my increased internet data bandwidth usage charges?
I know many people that are capped at 5gb. So Download Lion this month...opps gotta wait until next month to download iwork or ilife or adobe cs or whatever until next month or pay rediculous overage fees.
And forget it for any one that lives in a rural area without high speed.....insanity.
Your HOME Internet is capped at 5GB a month? Move somewhere else, then. That's blasphemy.
So they removed the optical drive, and the price stayed the same?
I could understand ditching it on notebooks, but ditching it on a desktop machine that is already uber tiny to begin with seems ridiculous to me.
No, the price went down $100.
Yes I can buy the external superdrive, but as it was said before it kills the esthetic of one small box.
Yes I can buy an iMac, and a I'd LOVE to, but as long as Apple insists everyone use glossy screens it won't happen.
Why is Apple taking away more and more options?
What part of "some people only own one computer" doesn't make sense? If that one computer were the new Mac Mini, then HOW would they make such an install USB drive without a optical drive or easy access to another machine? If the Mini had an optical drive so that I could make the install USB drive...then I wouldn't need the USB drive.
Why drive instead of flying?
Afraid to fly, get sick when flying, cheaper to drive, etc.
If you only have one computer, maybe you can spring for the optical drive...
I'm thinking that the loss of the Optical drive may discourage some in the htpc market from a new mini purchase. I personally haven't bought or rented a disc in so long that I honestly cannot remember when it was. There is after all a reason all the rental stores are drying up and going out of business.
Just looks odd to see that Apple doesnt sell the regular MacBook anymore though.
I think exactly the opposite is true. I would not even consider building another HTPC with an optical drive.
So my late 2009 mini will have to hold on for awhile. I have around 50 DVDs of backup files for design projects I've done over the years. Some of the them started as CDs, then I transfered to DVDs, then to Dual-Layer DVDs. So what is the next step Apple? Buy a big-ass hard drive and hope it doesn't crash some day?
Yes I can buy the external superdrive, but as it was said before it kills the esthetic of one small box.
Yes I can buy an iMac, and a I'd LOVE to, but as long as Apple insists everyone use glossy screens it won't happen.
Why is Apple taking away more and more options?
Because they are designing hardware that fits the needs of the vast majority of their customers. They maintain a limited product line and there will always be some use-cases that do not fit into their model. I am sure if you did a real survey, you would find that for every person that thinks they need their optical drive, you would find 100 who have not touched it in more then 6 months. I would wager you would find at least 20 that did not even know what that slot in their current computer was for.
I have a 2010 MBP I but once cd in since I bought it (I quickly imaged it and took it out). The only thing I use the drive for on my iMac is ripping DVDs. I would be perfectly fine with an external drive for that.
So what is the next step Apple? Buy a big-ass hard drive and hope it doesn't crash some day?
You act as though you have to have that hard drive running all the time. You obviously don't.
Drives "crash". Discs scratch. SSDs stop working if you drill a bore hole through them. All formats have caveats.
Yes I can buy an iMac, and a I'd LOVE to, but as long as Apple insists everyone use glossy screens it won't happen.
Not another one...
Why is Apple taking away more and more options?
I think they just want to stop making so much money.
Hear me out, now.
Apple's "taking away" features in the hopes that people are actually intelligent and buy from someone else to get said features. As opposed to blindly continuing to purchase from Apple and whining about it.
Apple WANTS you to go somewhere else. Eventually they'll reach their most streamlined where they've taken away enough features that many people don't buy from them but still have enough to make the amount of money they want.
Or maybe because they're forcing appropriate change on the industry.
With Software updates and having to download all of my apps from the internet now...will Steve pickup the tab for my increased internet data bandwidth usage charges?
I know many people that are capped at 5gb. So Download Lion this month...opps gotta wait until next month to download iwork or ilife or adobe cs or whatever until next month or pay rediculous overage fees.
And forget it for any one that lives in a rural area without high speed.....insanity.
You're looking at it from the wrong side perhaps.
In a world where everything is downloaded, the whole idea of bandwidth caps or paying by the megabyte is ridiculous. The faster the downloading becomes a more accepted practice than using old fashioned discs, the faster the bandwidth caps you are currently suffering on will disappear.
I keep hearing about these bandwidth caps in the USA but I've never met or known anyone in my country that ever had to endure them on a non-mobile device. From that I gather that bandwidth caps for home use are a US (southern US), aberration that will soon go away.
You're looking at it from the wrong side perhaps.
In a world where everything is downloaded, the whole idea of bandwidth caps or paying by the megabyte is ridiculous. The faster the downloading becomes a more accepted practice than using old fashioned discs, the faster the bandwidth caps you are currently suffering on will disappear.
I keep hearing about these bandwidth caps in the USA but I've never met or known anyone in my country that ever had to endure them on a non-mobile device. From that I gather that bandwidth caps for home use are a US (southern US), aberration that will soon go away.
Bandwidth caps going away? Do you really think the ISP got everyone worked up over caps just to have it go away? That is wishful thinking. I recently got a notice from AT&T about a cap and they are providing tools to monitor usage. Caps are something that exist and nobody really thinks about anymore.
The Macbook just didn't' fit in the lineup anymore. I think this was a sharp move by apple and helps streamline their computers even more.
i hope the local guys have some cheap refurbs, as I wanted one as a media PC and now they have gone out and cocked that up
So old apple price with 320m $1148
new apple price with intel shit $949
new apple price with AMD $1249
ah, the sounds of profiteering in the morning
plus the added benefit of shit tech support
bleh
I upgraded my motherboard and it didn't have an IDE connection for my old disc drive, so I said screw it, I haven't used my DVD drive in years. No reason to spend the $20.
Even my Windows installation was done through USB drive. All you have to do is copy the files directly off the disc onto a USB drive and a modern BIOS can boot from it just fine.
The speed of installing Windows from a dual channel USB drive is amazing.
My parents and friends wonder how I can make this change, but most of them probably didn't even realize that their netbooks don't have a DVD drive - because they would never use one even if they were equipped.
DVDs are slower, bigger, and have a lower capacity than my flash drive. Thanks to Apple for leading the way again, disc drives will soon be gone on all computers!
(The only disc format that should be around is Blu-ray. Still, if hollywood let me download high quality 1080p videos I probably would ditch Blu-rays, too.)
I'm not sure what all the panty twisted complaining is all about. If you require an optical drive, bigger hard drive, faster processor, and so on, then just spend a bit more and get the 13" MBP (which is way more capable than the old MB). If you don't need all that crap and are looking for more portability, then the MBA is your gem.
The Macbook just didn't' fit in the lineup anymore. I think this was a sharp move by apple and helps streamline their computers even more.
this works up until Apple decides the MBP no longer requires an optical drive anymore either....
then what..?
I already have an apple wireless keyboard and mouse
If I get the Mac Mini I'd like to be able to connect it to the TV and my other LCD display in my den just on the wall right adjacent to the TV wall in sitting room, which has comcast router / and modem all wired up.
I suppose I can simply use dual monitors and simply carry my mouse and keyboard between each room as needed. Will it work? That way I can watch streaming netflix movies on both lcd screens simultaneously?
The only time I equate optical discs with an enriching experience is when I boot up my LC 575 and play old disc based games on it.
Because that "disc read" sound brings back so many great childhood memories. There's just nothing else like that sound or how you feel when you hear it.
The sounds that really take me back in time:
The sound of an Apple auto-inject floppy drive when you insert or eject a disk (1984?-1993)
The distinctive sound of the 20MB hard drive in the Mac SE (1987)
The sound of a Disk ][ seeking the boot track on a 5.25" floppy (1979)
The sounds that really take me back in time:
The sound of an Apple auto-inject floppy drive when you insert or eject a disk (1984?-1993)
The distinctive sound of the 20MB hard drive in the Mac SE (1987)
The sound of a Disk ][ seeking the boot track on a 5.25" floppy (1979)
Lets not forget the screeching sound radiating from the speakers from Cassette tapes on old 8-bit machines.