Chinese officials investigating fake Apple Stores as customers complain

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  • Reply 101 of 115
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,409member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    The entire look of the store is Apple's trademark.



    Really. Has Apple registered this 'entire look' trademark in China?



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    Not to mention the Apple logo and the Apple name (as applied to computers). And the Apple trademark IS registered in China:

    http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...emark-suit.ars



    That's not what we're talking about.



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    So stop pretending you know something when you clearly don't.



    The only person who regularly and endlessly boasts about his IP prowess is you (see, e.g., below).



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    Arrogance? Sorry, but you are the one who is being arrogant - AND ignorant. I have about 2 decades of experience doing business in China involving products covered by trademark and patents. What is YOUR experience?



    Go back to your original mindless and snarky post (where you challenged me to show you a 13th cent. trademark for gunpowder, paper, and ceramics, for heaven's sake!): That wasn't ignorant?!)



    Your "experience in doing business in China"? Assuming what you say is true - there is no reason that I should necessarily believe some anonymous poster on the internet - I guess you must have lots of experience doing business in the middle ages too? Otherwise, what was the point of your silly challenge (that started this sub-thread)?
  • Reply 102 of 115
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Really. Has Apple registered this 'entire look' trademark in China?



    In China, as in the U.S., you don't need to register a trademark for it to be valid. You (generally) need to register it before you can sue someone, but the trademark is valid as soon as you create it.



    Face it, you were wrong.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    That's not what we're talking about.



    Of course it is. You said: "Show me a valid piece of IP in China for Apple's store design."



    The Apple logo and Apple name are valid IP and are part of the store design. I provided evidence that they are registered and enforceable in China. The fact that these fake stores use the Apple logo and Apple name is sufficient to show that they're infringing Apple's IP.



    You were wrong. Again.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    The only person who regularly and endlessly boasts about his IP prowess is you (see, e.g., below).



    The difference, of course, is that I have documented my statements and have a demonstrated knowledge of the subject while you keep spewing nonsense that is almost never correct - while PRETENDING that you know something. You were wrong.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Go back to your original mindless and snarky post (where you challenged me to show you a 13th cent. trademark for gunpowder, paper, and ceramics, for heaven's sake!): That wasn't ignorant?!)



    Only because you (or someone else - I'm not going to go back and look it up) said that Western countries should be paying royalties for those inventions. That was a stupid statement and I simply pointed out how stupid it was.



    But, then, you seem to surround yourself with stupid and ignorant statements.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Your "experience in doing business in China"? Assuming what you say is true - there is no reason that I should necessarily believe some anonymous poster on the internet - I guess you must have lots of experience doing business in the middle ages too? Otherwise, what was the point of your silly challenge (that started this sub-thread)?



    Are you an idiot or just playing one on the Internet?



    I've demonstrated knowledge of China's practices - which supports my claim that I know what I'm talking about. I never claimed to have done business in the middle ages. I simply pointed out that there is no current patent for gunpowder, paper, or ceramics (at least, not their original middle ages form).



    I guess the difference is far too difficult for you to comprehend.



    And the point of my 'silly challenge' was that you or one of the other resident idiots suggested that we should be paying royalties for gunpowder, paper, and ceramics and I was simply showing how stupid that argument was.
  • Reply 103 of 115
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,409member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    That was a stupid statement ... surround yourself with stupid and ignorant statements....Are you an idiot or just playing one on the Internet?......difference is far too difficult for you to comprehend.....you or one of the other resident idiots suggested...... I was simply showing how stupid that argument was.



    The only things you're proving are that you: (i) lack a sense of humor (the reference to 13th cent etc), (ii) you're great at lots of cheap name-calling on the internet (see above), and (iii) you are quite an arrogant person!



    Chill, man.



    I see no need to descend to your level.
  • Reply 104 of 115
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    The only things you're proving are that you: (i) lack a sense of humor (the reference to 13th cent etc), (ii) you're great at lots of cheap name-calling on the internet (see above), and (iii) you are quite an arrogant person!



    Chill, man.



    I see no need to descend to your level.



    That's a rather roundabout way to say that everything you posted has been proven wrong.
  • Reply 105 of 115
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    That's a rather roundabout way to say that everything you posted has been proven wrong.



    You cheated and used facts!
  • Reply 106 of 115
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,409member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    That's a rather roundabout way to say that everything you posted has been proven wrong.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    You cheated and used facts!



    Hmmm.... what exactly is 'wrong' or not factual about the fact that: (i) the Chinese invented gunpowder, paper, and ceramics? (ii) that it was brought over to the West from China?
  • Reply 107 of 115
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Hmmm.... what exactly is 'wrong' or not factual about the fact that: (i) the Chinese invented gunpowder, paper, and ceramics? (ii) that it was brought over to the West from China?



    Nothing - and no one said otherwise.



    What I objected to was the silly complaint that the west isn't paying royalties on those inventions.



    But since your knowledge of intellectual property law is obviously so poor, I guess you don't understand why your proposal is ludicrous.
  • Reply 108 of 115
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,409member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    Nothing - and no one said otherwise.



    What I objected to was the silly complaint that the west isn't paying royalties on those inventions.



    But since your knowledge of intellectual property law is obviously so poor, I guess you don't understand why your proposal is ludicrous.



    If you can't understand a tongue-in-cheek reference in a post, that's perfectly understandable.



    What's not is your ill-tempered tirade.



    But hey, it's certainly your wont.



    Btw, thanks for admitting that "everything" I "posted" was not "proven wrong" (per your exaggerated prior post).
  • Reply 109 of 115
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Btw, thanks for admitting that "everything" I "posted" was not "proven wrong" (per your exaggerated prior post).



    Yes but he had you on all the trademark/trade dress issues, which was the bit that wasn't tongue in cheek.
  • Reply 110 of 115
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    Yes but he had you on all the trademark/trade dress issues, which was the bit that wasn't tongue in cheek.



    So what?
  • Reply 111 of 115
    cloudgazercloudgazer Posts: 2,161member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    So what?



    So we western reductionist thinkers tend to consider him being right and you being wrong as evidence that he won the argument - moreover your attempt to recast the discussion into whether or not he is angry would appear to be a rather thin attempt to misdirect.



    A friend of mine used to refer to this as the 'Look! Over there! A badger!' fallacy.
  • Reply 112 of 115
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by cloudgazer View Post


    so we western reductionist thinkers tend to consider him being right and you being wrong as evidence that he won the argument - moreover your attempt to recast the discussion into whether or not he is angry would appear to be a rather thin attempt to misdirect.



    A friend of mine used to refer to this as the 'look! Over there! A badger!' fallacy.



    rotflmao.
  • Reply 113 of 115
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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    How do you NOT get the receipt the instant you purchase your item? Even our Amish grocer gives receipts. They're printed from a cash register hooked to a car battery, for heaven's sake.



    thats incredible, I did not know that, why don't they get those old non-electronic version?
  • Reply 114 of 115
    xsuxsu Posts: 401member
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    Originally Posted by accessoriesguy View Post


    thats incredible, I did not know that, why don't they get those old non-electronic version?



    Sigh.



    For all of you talking about "receipt" referred to in this story, you need to understand what the meaning of "receipt" is in China. In China, "receipt" is not the slip of paper that shows we purchased a certain product on certain date at certain price, but rather it's a slip of paper that the retailer has to purchase from Chinese equivalent of IRS as a form of sales tax payment. If the seller can wiggle out of giving you the receipt, he can buy less of them, and thus pay less tax. Now you can understand why the seller needs to be badgered to produce them.



    The reason for the buyer to demand them is about the same as buyers have here in the state. If you don't have it, you can't get reimbursement for the purchase.
  • Reply 115 of 115
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    Originally Posted by RPT View Post


    Appreciate to see someone here who see what China is, and they now exactly what they are doing! The crap about relative values is just a smokecreen. Corruption is one of the biggest problems in the world, and China is the most corrupt county around. Written laws in China has no meaning, because the only thing that matters is the current meaning of the Party.



    Whatever dude - ask Faux, BUSH and the Tea Party about CORRUPT - anyway Apple doesn't seem to be coming out with lawyers ablazing - they have China's industry by the balls they could threaten to pull out but they seem oddly silent.
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