1. I too would like to get "live" tv into the iPad, either wirelessly or wiredly. I'm still waiting for the app, and don't see what is the problm. No API? Why not?
2. Watch out for those Two Fat Ladies. In the mushroom-hunting episode with the Girl Scouts, they mis-identify an ordinary Russula as a "deadly" Amanita muscaria! Inexcusable -- the A. muscaria is not deadly, it just has interesting effects.
I do favor mushrooms with interesting effects! (I've always loved Clarissa)
Apple will make it so easy to watch tv now and in the future.
Buy, unbox, plug into outlet, plug into ethernet and turn on. No more set top boxes!
When you turn on tv, Apple will offer you a new tv experience you will be able to subscribe too. All your favorite channels, on demand movies, live sports and great apps that you can select on a sidebar or overlay live picture.
It will be a game changer in the tv industry.
This was pretty much the sales pitch for GoogleTV. Hasn't exactly set the world on fire.
The problem is you aren't giving me anything my existing TV and a netflix enabled DVD or Bluray player doesn't already provide.
Deja vu how? Because I was wrong about the iPhone nano, xMac, and OS X tablet?
Might want to check Apple's offerings again. None of those exist.
Deja Vu. Because I have had similar arguments on here and other forums since the beginning of time. iPad, iPhone, Apple TV, or just little things like the other day when Melgross suggested the whiteBook would be replaced by the macbook air, it was pretty much me and him against a forum of non believers.
Or the demise of Nokia, the overtaking of Microsoft in market value, the Android market share, bla bla
If you think that Apple will not release an HDTV or a smaller form iPhone, or an OSX based tablet, you do not know Apple.
First time i find myself registering and replying after more then 10 years of reading AI.
If you guys are serious about Apple, which i am sure you all are.. then know this:
Apple won't fall in line with those other hundreds of TV set makers. They will only enter markets where they can set a new standard and hopefully start a small revolution. This report doesn't seem like a revolution in TV to me.
Apple as we all know sees AppleTV as a hobby, cause "there is something there" - Tim Cook
But i can tell you this, it won't be a 4000 dollar screen.
If you think that Apple will not release an HDTV or a smaller form iPhone, or an OSX based tablet, you do not know Apple.
Right. I'm done here. This is so far opposite of what Apple has proven to us (and in some cases, EXPLICITLY STATED), that there's no sense arguing with this nonsense any longer.
These analysts are **** obsessed about Apple releasing a HDTV. It could happen, but makes no sense. AppleTV powered by A6 as a game console is much more probable.
I'm no a big screen fan, I'd rather go to the movies. However I love my iPad and its portability. Doing pip on a high resolution iPad would be pretty neat.
Yes and it will not allow to watch porn untill "God mighty" will tell his servants to allow this. Just like posts on Apple forum that have idiotic criteria of censorship so you cannot even put some phrases from regular guide books on software. Well they still allow name Dick for some reason.
I'm no a big screen fan, I'd rather go to the movies. However I love my iPad and its portability. Doing pip on a high resolution iPad would be pretty neat.
Yes and it will not allow to watch porn untill "God mighty" will tell his servants to allow this. Just like posts on Apple forum that have idiotic criteria of censorship so you cannot even put some phrases from regular guide books on software. Well they still allow name Dick for some reason.
Holier than Pope...
Implying Safari on iDevices can't view lewd websites.
Apple has done an incredible job in the last decade by going into markets that are fragmented and messy and bringing order and exceptionality. The iPod, iPhone, and iPad all took the shortcomings of other products on the market and addressed them.
The thing is, there is no real problem with the television market. Quality, feature rich sets are available in every size and price range. Several companies already make outstanding products. There's really nothing for Apple to gain by entering this market.
Besides, apple's aversion to the point of phobia in providing multiple connections would not sit well with TV buyers. They need multiple HDMI as well as component, S-video and even composite(!) for legacy equipment. One HDMI and one thunderbolt port isn't going to cut it.
... The thing is, there is no real problem with the television market. Quality, feature rich sets are available in every size and price range. Several companies already make outstanding products. There's really nothing for Apple to gain by entering this market. ...
Whether Apple makes TVs or not, this is a faulty argument.
Your doing the classic thing where just because *you* can't see anything wrong with TVs, you assume that no one else does either. You also are leaving out the possibility that even though *none* of us can see why the problem is with TVs, someone else can. Most Apple products actually fall precisely into that category when they first arrive. They are very often products that we didn't even see we wanted, or replacements for products we didn't realise were faulty.
In the case of a TV, I happen to be in the market myself this month and ironically I was just saying to someone yesterday about how ridiculous it was that I couldn't find one that had decent quality built in sound. For my use, I think it ridiculous that I have to buy a TV, as well as an amplifier, and five speakers and run wires all over a whole room when all I want is a TV with good sound for a small apartment.
I didn't find the Bose TV mentioned in this story, I don't need the built in disc player or tuner, and it seems far overpriced for what it is but that is actually closer to what I'm looking for than any other TV I've seen so far. An Apple TV would be even better in that it would almost certainly not have the disc player or the tuner, and would have the components of the current "Apple TV" built in already.
Again, I am not sure this story is true at all, but if it were, it describes the exact product I was just looking for, and something I would buy tomorrow for any reasonable price. So for me, the current TVs are all "wrong" and the TV described here would be exactly what I'm looking for.
Apple would release a magical device with a huge pixel density. The people who will purchase this product will be the more ignorant consumers and people who need to own every apple product. The rest of will know that the hdtv market is one of standards, a tv with a high pixel density will be nice but the current standard is less then that which mean you have a tv with no native content.
As Steve has said, there is no "go to market solution" for Apple vis-a-vis TV.
I can't see Apple offering a large screen TV solution before they can develop a solution to deliver "live TV" to the iPad (maybe using ATV).
It is not a hardware, software or app problem -- rather a logistical problem -- working with or around the cable companies, broadcasters and the content owners.
I kind of see it the other way around.
"Live TV" is itself a thing of the past. Lots and lots of folks don't give a rat's behind about live TV anymore and get all their content from the Internet or from discs. The way to simplify all those cables, wires and inputs is to not bother with cable at all. An Apple branded TV would not have a tuner at all, and good riddance I say.
The iPad doesn't need rabbit ears, the TV needs an Internet connection.
Apple would release a magical device with a huge pixel density. The people who will purchase this product will be the more ignorant consumers and people who need to own every apple product. The rest of will know that the hdtv market is one of standards, a tv with a high pixel density will be nice but the current standard is less then that which mean you have a tv with no native content.
I don't think it will be based on pixel density. Having apple TV built in would mean airplay and air gaming right out of the box. If it let you do hulu and netflix, rent from iTunes and watch regular TV it would be really awesome.
I don't think it will be based on pixel density. Having apple TV built in would mean airplay and air gaming right out of the box. If it let you do hulu and netflix, rent from iTunes and watch regular TV it would be really awesome.
If it has an AppleTV built right in then it has the same CPU as the original iPad so why not run the apps on the AppleTV itself instead of using airplay and therefore requiring a $500 iPad or iPhone (which being portable devices might be elsewhere when you want to use the AppleTV)?
Apple really should release an SDK for the AppleTV. It is also worth noting that the current AppleTV has bluetooth so could easily be paired with bluetooth keyboards or gamepads if Apple would allow it.
Steve covered this nicely at the D8 conference last week. He said, to paraphrase, that there is a "go to market" strategy fail with the delivering new innovative TV hardware. Typically it's just about adding another box under the TV.
Apple likely will not deliver a TV until something radical is coming that will obviate the need for STB (Set Top Box) and open up the platform. At this point the only thing that can be done is integrating that STB into the TV and that's not going to go over well.
in summary the question is what's being done to ameliorate the proliferating STB? If the answer is "not much" then expect no Apple branded HDTV.
It doesn't make sense for Apple to go into the TV business. Sony is bleeding money like crazy with their TV division. Apple might be able to make more money than Sony, but it sure does seem risky to me. I wouldn't mind having a 27" iMac with HDTV capabilities but even a low end model that size would probably cost close to $2000. One can buy a pretty decent 1080P HDTV from LG, Vizio or Samsung for under $1000. I honestly don't see Apple going into this field. I could understand Apple building a high-end set-top box, but integrating it into a TV doesn't seem like a good idea at all. I keep my TVs for at least 5 years so I can't see paying a lot of money for an Apple TV and then having the internet programming part of the TV be out of date in just a couple of years. I think Apple should stay away from HDTVs unless their economies of scale can make the business profitable. I want to see Apple build a firmware upgradeable, iOS running set-top box with PVR capabilities but I don't see that happening either.
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1. I too would like to get "live" tv into the iPad, either wirelessly or wiredly. I'm still waiting for the app, and don't see what is the problm. No API? Why not?
2. Watch out for those Two Fat Ladies. In the mushroom-hunting episode with the Girl Scouts, they mis-identify an ordinary Russula as a "deadly" Amanita muscaria! Inexcusable -- the A. muscaria is not deadly, it just has interesting effects.
I do favor mushrooms with interesting effects! (I've always loved Clarissa)
Apple will make it so easy to watch tv now and in the future.
Buy, unbox, plug into outlet, plug into ethernet and turn on. No more set top boxes!
When you turn on tv, Apple will offer you a new tv experience you will be able to subscribe too. All your favorite channels, on demand movies, live sports and great apps that you can select on a sidebar or overlay live picture.
It will be a game changer in the tv industry.
This was pretty much the sales pitch for GoogleTV. Hasn't exactly set the world on fire.
The problem is you aren't giving me anything my existing TV and a netflix enabled DVD or Bluray player doesn't already provide.
Deja vu how? Because I was wrong about the iPhone nano, xMac, and OS X tablet?
Might want to check Apple's offerings again. None of those exist.
Deja Vu. Because I have had similar arguments on here and other forums since the beginning of time. iPad, iPhone, Apple TV, or just little things like the other day when Melgross suggested the whiteBook would be replaced by the macbook air, it was pretty much me and him against a forum of non believers.
Or the demise of Nokia, the overtaking of Microsoft in market value, the Android market share, bla bla
If you think that Apple will not release an HDTV or a smaller form iPhone, or an OSX based tablet, you do not know Apple.
If you guys are serious about Apple, which i am sure you all are.. then know this:
Apple won't fall in line with those other hundreds of TV set makers. They will only enter markets where they can set a new standard and hopefully start a small revolution. This report doesn't seem like a revolution in TV to me.
Apple as we all know sees AppleTV as a hobby, cause "there is something there" - Tim Cook
But i can tell you this, it won't be a 4000 dollar screen.
If you think that Apple will not release an HDTV or a smaller form iPhone, or an OSX based tablet, you do not know Apple.
Right. I'm done here. This is so far opposite of what Apple has proven to us (and in some cases, EXPLICITLY STATED), that there's no sense arguing with this nonsense any longer.
Holier than Pope...
Yes and it will not allow to watch porn untill "God mighty" will tell his servants to allow this. Just like posts on Apple forum that have idiotic criteria of censorship so you cannot even put some phrases from regular guide books on software. Well they still allow name Dick for some reason.
Holier than Pope...
Implying Safari on iDevices can't view lewd websites.
The thing is, there is no real problem with the television market. Quality, feature rich sets are available in every size and price range. Several companies already make outstanding products. There's really nothing for Apple to gain by entering this market.
Besides, apple's aversion to the point of phobia in providing multiple connections would not sit well with TV buyers. They need multiple HDMI as well as component, S-video and even composite(!) for legacy equipment. One HDMI and one thunderbolt port isn't going to cut it.
This rumor is complete hogwash from an analyst who has never accurately predicted anything about Apple in the past.
The con-artist analyst who came up with this rumor SPECIFICALLY invented it to drive up the value of his firm's investment in Apple shares.
It's so incredibly obvious what is going on here, yet AppleInsider and other websites publish this guy's ramblings as if it were news.
I wish AppleInsider would ban the publishing of unfounded rumors like this one.
Apple insider is also a commercial entity looking for traffic = advertising money.
Dont forget that.
... The thing is, there is no real problem with the television market. Quality, feature rich sets are available in every size and price range. Several companies already make outstanding products. There's really nothing for Apple to gain by entering this market. ...
Whether Apple makes TVs or not, this is a faulty argument.
Your doing the classic thing where just because *you* can't see anything wrong with TVs, you assume that no one else does either. You also are leaving out the possibility that even though *none* of us can see why the problem is with TVs, someone else can. Most Apple products actually fall precisely into that category when they first arrive. They are very often products that we didn't even see we wanted, or replacements for products we didn't realise were faulty.
In the case of a TV, I happen to be in the market myself this month and ironically I was just saying to someone yesterday about how ridiculous it was that I couldn't find one that had decent quality built in sound. For my use, I think it ridiculous that I have to buy a TV, as well as an amplifier, and five speakers and run wires all over a whole room when all I want is a TV with good sound for a small apartment.
I didn't find the Bose TV mentioned in this story, I don't need the built in disc player or tuner, and it seems far overpriced for what it is but that is actually closer to what I'm looking for than any other TV I've seen so far. An Apple TV would be even better in that it would almost certainly not have the disc player or the tuner, and would have the components of the current "Apple TV" built in already.
Again, I am not sure this story is true at all, but if it were, it describes the exact product I was just looking for, and something I would buy tomorrow for any reasonable price. So for me, the current TVs are all "wrong" and the TV described here would be exactly what I'm looking for.
As Steve has said, there is no "go to market solution" for Apple vis-a-vis TV.
I can't see Apple offering a large screen TV solution before they can develop a solution to deliver "live TV" to the iPad (maybe using ATV).
It is not a hardware, software or app problem -- rather a logistical problem -- working with or around the cable companies, broadcasters and the content owners.
I kind of see it the other way around.
"Live TV" is itself a thing of the past. Lots and lots of folks don't give a rat's behind about live TV anymore and get all their content from the Internet or from discs. The way to simplify all those cables, wires and inputs is to not bother with cable at all. An Apple branded TV would not have a tuner at all, and good riddance I say.
The iPad doesn't need rabbit ears, the TV needs an Internet connection.
Apple would release a magical device with a huge pixel density. The people who will purchase this product will be the more ignorant consumers and people who need to own every apple product. The rest of will know that the hdtv market is one of standards, a tv with a high pixel density will be nice but the current standard is less then that which mean you have a tv with no native content.
I don't think it will be based on pixel density. Having apple TV built in would mean airplay and air gaming right out of the box. If it let you do hulu and netflix, rent from iTunes and watch regular TV it would be really awesome.
I don't think it will be based on pixel density. Having apple TV built in would mean airplay and air gaming right out of the box. If it let you do hulu and netflix, rent from iTunes and watch regular TV it would be really awesome.
If it has an AppleTV built right in then it has the same CPU as the original iPad so why not run the apps on the AppleTV itself instead of using airplay and therefore requiring a $500 iPad or iPhone (which being portable devices might be elsewhere when you want to use the AppleTV)?
Apple really should release an SDK for the AppleTV. It is also worth noting that the current AppleTV has bluetooth so could easily be paired with bluetooth keyboards or gamepads if Apple would allow it.
Updated Apple TV
Features 2 HDMI ports, 1 in, 1 out
Powered by the A6 chip
Hook it up between your existing cable/sat box and the Apple TV interface pops up over your TV stations.
Provides apps which can float over your normal TV image or replace it
Takes over when you play videos etc
Makes any tv a 'smart' tv
http://www.runaroundtech.com/2011/07...the-tv-market/
Apple likely will not deliver a TV until something radical is coming that will obviate the need for STB (Set Top Box) and open up the platform. At this point the only thing that can be done is integrating that STB into the TV and that's not going to go over well.
in summary the question is what's being done to ameliorate the proliferating STB? If the answer is "not much" then expect no Apple branded HDTV.