Interesting too in that the implication all the way through is not just "better" but "better than the iPad" when in fact if they had been that specific, they'd be had up for false advertising. The Galaxy Tab does *not* have "better graphics" than iPad in the sense that they imply in this advertisement for instance.
Also, it's a very creative use of words in general because "better" is so subjective when used in the way they use it. "Better multi-tasking" is really just an opinion the way it's used in the ad, so they can't really be held to it as a lie. No technical argument is really being made even though it comes across like a list of technical specs.
Most advertising is based on deception however and this is no exception. In fact it's a very clever example of it. No actual lies but still a complete misrepresentation in terms of painting this device as a leader when in fact it's a rather poor follower in the tablet market.
Getting sick of seeing that same old AppleInsider image on Samsung devices before and after the iPhone. Never mind the bollocks that is design patents in the first place.
Apple will win some battles but will ultimately lose the war
We shall see, we shall see
If they win enough battles that they keep the copy cats off the market and out of buyers minds then those companies will lose sales to the not copy cat competition. ANd isn't that basically winning the war since the only 'iPhone like' devices anyone is buying is the iPhone itself
UNIX is just a trademark that companies have to pay alot to get now-a-days, Apple paid it for OS X.
Linux is UNIX-like, and im not going to go into the Linux/GNU naming thing.
BSD which OS X is based off, is open source and free, and thats UNIX-like.
Darwin which is OS X kernel, is also free and open.
WebKit is also free and open, and powers pretty much the browser on all smartphones, as well as having a large chunk of web browser market share with Chrome & Safari.
You're kind of misrepresenting things here.
UNIX is not a "trademark" it's a very specific thing that vendors of UNIX got together to certify. A certification, whatever you may think of it, is nothing like a "trademark."
That being said ...
- OS X is UNIX
- Linux is "UNIX-like" in that it's a copy, but not a variant of UNIX
- BSD is UNIX in that it was widely recognised as UNIX before the certification
- iOS is a new OS based on a UNIX certified OS, but without certification.
Since iOS is still rapidly evolving it makes no sense to talk about it as if it is or is not UNIX. It's unlikely that iOS will ever get, or want UNIX certification anyway.
That marketing photo is awesome fiction: some dude model holding a Galaxy Tab with a smile on his face in an Apple Store-like retail setting with all kinds of models posing like they're interested in Galaxy Tabs. Where is that supposed to be, the Samsung Store?
Ultimately this technology will have to be incorporated into a real tablet like the iPad however. I would bet money that Apple has prototypes in the labs as we speak since it's a clear differentiating factor for tablets.
If someone made an Android tablet tomorrow with a proper pressure sensitive stylus that could be used to write and draw on, (not very likely I know), it would be a tablet with a clear advantage over the iPad. It seems likely to me that Apple will want to cut off such developments by doing it first. Hopefully with iPad 3 or 4.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Heck, Wacom just started making something absofrickinglutely awesome: An ink pen that automatically translates your physical paper drawings into vector art.
This is old tech, but cool nonetheless. Wacom's version of it is probably the best, knowing how they work.
If they win enough battles that they keep the copy cats off the market and out of buyers minds then those companies will lose sales to the not copy cat competition. ANd isn't that basically winning the war since the only 'iPhone like' devices anyone is buying is the iPhone itself
Of which will be a monopoly, something that the government wont appreciate.
but Apple will lose the most important patents and Android will be legally allowed to be a direct copy of iOS, looking absolutely identical to it down to the content of its icons.
Don't be so sure about that. Right now Samsung might win because they aren't a direct copy, not that the whole trade dress patent is invalid.
And don't forget that there are other even more important patents that Apple now has control over.
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Originally Posted by Galbi
Of which will be a monopoly, something that the government wont appreciate.
Monopolies are not inherently bad or illegal. It's how you get there and what you do with it. IF it is determined that Apple has a valid patent and valid trademarks and they were being violated then the products should be removed. Apple has every legal right to protect their IP and the government won't find fault with that even if it does create a monopoly. Also remember that there's more than Samsung out there. AND it isn't like Samsung couldn't change the violating parts of their UI and release the products.
If someone made an Android tablet tomorrow with a proper pressure sensitive stylus that could be used to write and draw on, (not very likely I know), it would be a tablet with a clear advantage over the iPad. It seems likely to me that Apple will want to cut off such developments by doing it first. Hopefully with iPad 3 or 4.
This is old tech, but cool nonetheless. Wacom's version of it is probably the best, knowing how they work.
Samsung Note ( Android + Wacom + HD resolution ( 1280 x 800 ) Super AMOLED Plus display in a 5.3 inch screen Tablet/phone hybrid. )
Here is a video of a caricature artist using the device at IFA 2011
So Apple will somehow invent a successor OS to iOS from scratch in less than a year?
Who says that they don't have the successor for iOS in the labs already? They had an x86 version of Mac OS for years without announcing it. Similarly, I'm sure that they have stuff already going on that you don't know anything about.
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Originally Posted by Therbo
Someone needs to research the UNIX tree
Essentially iOS isn't UNIX, its UNIX-like.
UNIX is just a trademark that companies have to pay alot to get now-a-days, Apple paid it for OS X.
That is incorrect. 'Unix' is a certification. You have to meet the requirements. Mac OS X meets the requirements and is therefore Unix. (At least, some of the earlier versions did. I'm not absolutely certain that Lion does, but have no reason to believe that it doesn't).
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Originally Posted by Galbi
Of which will be a monopoly, something that the government wont appreciate.
Not true. The government has no position for or against monopolies. Monopolies are quite legal - and some monopolies (patents) are enforced by government policy. There is absolutely nothing wrong or illegal about a monopoly. You only get in trouble if you obtain or maintain a monopoly illegally.
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Originally Posted by Galbi
Stifling competition is what Apple is doing.
I love that definition. I guess I'l go down to the local bank branch and steal $100 M from the vault so that I can start my own bank. If they stop me, I'll scream and yell that they're stifling competition.
Famously, NCR’s star sales executive Thomas Watson Sr. met a similar fate. In 1914, Watson argued that NCR’s dominant product, mechanical cash registers, would soon go obsolete. He proposed that NCR develop electric cash registers. Peterson resisted the idea. He demanded that Watson focus on nothing but sales and not worry about innovation. Following an argument at a meeting, Patterson dismissed Watson. In a fit of anger, Patterson had workers carry Watson’s desk outside and had it lit on fire. Thomas Watson Sr. was thus “fired.” Thomas Watson Sr. then joined a smaller competitor, Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company (C-T-R,) which soon grew into International Business Machines (IBM.) Thomas Watson Sr. led IBM for forty years and turned IBM into the world’s leading technology company.
My first day as a salesman I had to read a booklet telling all Patterson Salesmen what they must not do, because if they did any of this the boss would go to jail. One of the things I couldn’t do as a salesman was blackjack the salesmen of competitors. Another was bribe freight agents to hold up shipments, or drop sand in competitors’ machines to put them out of order, open offices next door to competitors and cut the prices to knock them out of business—these were all things that his knockout squad had been doing which I was prohibited from doing.
Not true. The government has no position for or against monopolies. Monopolies are quite legal - and some monopolies (patents) are enforced by government policy. There is absolutely nothing wrong or illegal about a monopoly. You only get in trouble if you obtain or maintain a monopoly illegally.
Are you not familiar with the way the Fed is sueing AT&T with its plans to merge with T-Mobile? They are doing it based on the fact that it would reduce (stifle) competition and increase prices of the products.
Heck, I believed there are better ways to go about tablet OS than a straight port of iOS back before the iPad launch, and I still believe that. We'll just have to wait for Apple to show it to us.
I think that Apple's goal is to have a "single" OS that runs on all its hardware platforms and supports multiple UIs.
It won't be too long before we see iPads and Macs collaborating on, say, "Professional Video Editing and Post Production".
Most of what is needed to run Final Cut Pro X on the iPad is already in iOS -- it is just waiting for the hardware to catch up, and a multitouch UI for the app.
To me, this was one of the great potentials of WebOS for HP -- to make it available on pcs as well as tablets and phones.
Apparently, Windows 8 is MS's solution to a unified OS for all platforms and devices.
I agree, but, just try to imagine the world now with no Android (maybe without WM as well), just iOS and 'touch' Symbian (rip), (great) WebOS (rip), and all the other tentatives which are more or less dead or having an extremely small market share as of now. Sounds like a nice monopoly to me, with prices reaching the sky.
Personally, I like all those copycats on the market, so I can buy whichever I want.
(PS: I use iPhone, as I can see the difference.)
PS: if any spelling mistakes, say thanks to LION's innovative and unique spelling feature, which nobody shall implement it, or it will be called copycat.
AIR, Apple has submitted a patent application for Lion "AutoInCorrect".
Samsung Note ( Android + Wacom + HD resolution ( 1280 x 800 ) Super AMOLED Plus display in a 5.3 inch screen Tablet/phone hybrid. )
...
Guess Samsung beat Apple to it.
I'm pretty sure this is a capacitive stylus just like the ones you can use on the iPhone.
I meant a real, pressure sensitive, non capacitive stylus that can be used with accuracy to imitate drawing materials like pens, pencils, etc. You can already draw to a degree on the iPad, but you can't do anything that isn't sketchy or impressionistic without herculean effort. You will also never get very good handwriting detection with a capacitive stylus.
It requires a second digitiser built in to the device to separate the pen input from finger input.
I'm pretty sure this is a capacitive stylus just like the ones you can use on the iPhone.
I meant a real, pressure sensitive, non capacitive stylus that can be used with accuracy to imitate drawing materials like pens, pencils, etc. You can already draw to a degree on the iPad, but you can't do anything that isn't sketchy or impressionistic without herculean effort. You will also never get very good handwriting detection with a capacitive stylus.
It requires a second digitiser built in to the device to separate the pen input from finger input.
I think that Apple's goal is to have a "single" OS that runs on all its hardware platforms and supports multiple UIs.
1) They started with a single OS, Darwin, albeit at different versions.
2) If you mean they will unify iOS for a pocketable device, iOS for a tablet, and Mac OS into a single UI I don't see how that will ever happen. Apple has specifically designed UIs to be optimized for each device.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody
I'm pretty sure this is a capacitive stylus just like the ones you can use on the iPhone.
I meant a real, pressure sensitive, non capacitive stylus that can be used with accuracy to imitate drawing materials like pens, pencils, etc. You can already draw to a degree on the iPad, but you can't do anything that isn't sketchy or impressionistic without herculean effort. You will also never get very good handwriting detection with a capacitive stylus.
It requires a second digitiser built in to the device to separate the pen input from finger input.
I don't see how that can happen whist still maintaining a durable glass display. The way I'd expect a quality and accurate stylus to be made would to be capacitance, but with low-power BlueTooth 4.0 pairing to send back pressure information. This puts the pressure sensor (and even gyroscopic pen twists and stylus button clickstyles witch point sizes,color, etc.) in the stylus.
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This is the ad... no Android anything... anywhere. Unless I missed it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMW7xDM-XXI
Interesting too in that the implication all the way through is not just "better" but "better than the iPad" when in fact if they had been that specific, they'd be had up for false advertising. The Galaxy Tab does *not* have "better graphics" than iPad in the sense that they imply in this advertisement for instance.
Also, it's a very creative use of words in general because "better" is so subjective when used in the way they use it. "Better multi-tasking" is really just an opinion the way it's used in the ad, so they can't really be held to it as a lie. No technical argument is really being made even though it comes across like a list of technical specs.
Most advertising is based on deception however and this is no exception. In fact it's a very clever example of it. No actual lies but still a complete misrepresentation in terms of painting this device as a leader when in fact it's a rather poor follower in the tablet market.
Getting sick of seeing that same old AppleInsider image on Samsung devices before and after the iPhone. Never mind the bollocks that is design patents in the first place.
Please explain further.
Apple will win some battles but will ultimately lose the war
We shall see, we shall see
If they win enough battles that they keep the copy cats off the market and out of buyers minds then those companies will lose sales to the not copy cat competition. ANd isn't that basically winning the war since the only 'iPhone like' devices anyone is buying is the iPhone itself
Someone needs to research the UNIX tree
Essentially iOS isn't UNIX, its UNIX-like.
UNIX is just a trademark that companies have to pay alot to get now-a-days, Apple paid it for OS X.
Linux is UNIX-like, and im not going to go into the Linux/GNU naming thing.
BSD which OS X is based off, is open source and free, and thats UNIX-like.
Darwin which is OS X kernel, is also free and open.
WebKit is also free and open, and powers pretty much the browser on all smartphones, as well as having a large chunk of web browser market share with Chrome & Safari.
You're kind of misrepresenting things here.
UNIX is not a "trademark" it's a very specific thing that vendors of UNIX got together to certify. A certification, whatever you may think of it, is nothing like a "trademark."
That being said ...
- OS X is UNIX
- Linux is "UNIX-like" in that it's a copy, but not a variant of UNIX
- BSD is UNIX in that it was widely recognised as UNIX before the certification
- iOS is a new OS based on a UNIX certified OS, but without certification.
Since iOS is still rapidly evolving it makes no sense to talk about it as if it is or is not UNIX. It's unlikely that iOS will ever get, or want UNIX certification anyway.
that's too bad...
Competition is needed, even if the products are looking almost the same.
FFS, people. Get your own Jony Ive.
Wacom makes those.
Ultimately this technology will have to be incorporated into a real tablet like the iPad however. I would bet money that Apple has prototypes in the labs as we speak since it's a clear differentiating factor for tablets.
If someone made an Android tablet tomorrow with a proper pressure sensitive stylus that could be used to write and draw on, (not very likely I know), it would be a tablet with a clear advantage over the iPad. It seems likely to me that Apple will want to cut off such developments by doing it first. Hopefully with iPad 3 or 4.
Heck, Wacom just started making something absofrickinglutely awesome: An ink pen that automatically translates your physical paper drawings into vector art.
This is old tech, but cool nonetheless. Wacom's version of it is probably the best, knowing how they work.
We shall see, we shall see
If they win enough battles that they keep the copy cats off the market and out of buyers minds then those companies will lose sales to the not copy cat competition. ANd isn't that basically winning the war since the only 'iPhone like' devices anyone is buying is the iPhone itself
Of which will be a monopoly, something that the government wont appreciate.
Stifling competition is what Apple is doing.
but Apple will lose the most important patents and Android will be legally allowed to be a direct copy of iOS, looking absolutely identical to it down to the content of its icons.
Don't be so sure about that. Right now Samsung might win because they aren't a direct copy, not that the whole trade dress patent is invalid.
And don't forget that there are other even more important patents that Apple now has control over.
Of which will be a monopoly, something that the government wont appreciate.
Monopolies are not inherently bad or illegal. It's how you get there and what you do with it. IF it is determined that Apple has a valid patent and valid trademarks and they were being violated then the products should be removed. Apple has every legal right to protect their IP and the government won't find fault with that even if it does create a monopoly. Also remember that there's more than Samsung out there. AND it isn't like Samsung couldn't change the violating parts of their UI and release the products.
If someone made an Android tablet tomorrow with a proper pressure sensitive stylus that could be used to write and draw on, (not very likely I know), it would be a tablet with a clear advantage over the iPad. It seems likely to me that Apple will want to cut off such developments by doing it first. Hopefully with iPad 3 or 4.
This is old tech, but cool nonetheless. Wacom's version of it is probably the best, knowing how they work.
Samsung Note ( Android + Wacom + HD resolution ( 1280 x 800 ) Super AMOLED Plus display in a 5.3 inch screen Tablet/phone hybrid. )
Here is a video of a caricature artist using the device at IFA 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMvMW...3&feature=plpp
Here is a video of the official demonstration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfMmMrUwRnI
Guess Samsung beat Apple to it.
Apple will win some battles but will ultimately lose the war
Long live the copyists. I mean legitimate competitors.
So Apple will somehow invent a successor OS to iOS from scratch in less than a year?
Who says that they don't have the successor for iOS in the labs already? They had an x86 version of Mac OS for years without announcing it. Similarly, I'm sure that they have stuff already going on that you don't know anything about.
Someone needs to research the UNIX tree
Essentially iOS isn't UNIX, its UNIX-like.
UNIX is just a trademark that companies have to pay alot to get now-a-days, Apple paid it for OS X.
That is incorrect. 'Unix' is a certification. You have to meet the requirements. Mac OS X meets the requirements and is therefore Unix. (At least, some of the earlier versions did. I'm not absolutely certain that Lion does, but have no reason to believe that it doesn't).
Of which will be a monopoly, something that the government wont appreciate.
Not true. The government has no position for or against monopolies. Monopolies are quite legal - and some monopolies (patents) are enforced by government policy. There is absolutely nothing wrong or illegal about a monopoly. You only get in trouble if you obtain or maintain a monopoly illegally.
Stifling competition is what Apple is doing.
I love that definition. I guess I'l go down to the local bank branch and steal $100 M from the vault so that I can start my own bank. If they stop me, I'll scream and yell that they're stifling competition.
Look at the other markets: computers, OSs, cars, speakers, spoons, you name it.
What's left to be invented in the very near future? Teleporting apps ?! Let them compete with whatever they can design or copy (at some degree).
Tech History 101
Tom Watson, Sr., the founder, chairman of IBM, was rumored to have said, circa 1950:
"I think there is a world market for about five computers."
Wiki - Thomas J. Watson
And...
Personnel - HR 101
Thomas Watson Sr. was “fired” by NCR
Famously, NCR’s star sales executive Thomas Watson Sr. met a similar fate. In 1914, Watson argued that NCR’s dominant product, mechanical cash registers, would soon go obsolete. He proposed that NCR develop electric cash registers. Peterson resisted the idea. He demanded that Watson focus on nothing but sales and not worry about innovation. Following an argument at a meeting, Patterson dismissed Watson. In a fit of anger, Patterson had workers carry Watson’s desk outside and had it lit on fire. Thomas Watson Sr. was thus “fired.” Thomas Watson Sr. then joined a smaller competitor, Computing-Tabulating-Recording Company (C-T-R,) which soon grew into International Business Machines (IBM.) Thomas Watson Sr. led IBM for forty years and turned IBM into the world’s leading technology company.
Business Folklore: Origin of the expression “You are fired!”
Finally...
Competition 101
My first day as a salesman I had to read a booklet telling all Patterson Salesmen what they must not do, because if they did any of this the boss would go to jail. One of the things I couldn’t do as a salesman was blackjack the salesmen of competitors. Another was bribe freight agents to hold up shipments, or drop sand in competitors’ machines to put them out of order, open offices next door to competitors and cut the prices to knock them out of business—these were all things that his knockout squad had been doing which I was prohibited from doing.
http://www.thecorememory.com/The_NCR.pdf
Not true. The government has no position for or against monopolies. Monopolies are quite legal - and some monopolies (patents) are enforced by government policy. There is absolutely nothing wrong or illegal about a monopoly. You only get in trouble if you obtain or maintain a monopoly illegally.
Are you not familiar with the way the Fed is sueing AT&T with its plans to merge with T-Mobile? They are doing it based on the fact that it would reduce (stifle) competition and increase prices of the products.
Here is a link for you to refresh your prior knowledge (or lack of): http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20099789.shtml
Also, there is nothing illegal about the propose merger.
Guess I called you out now.
Apple will win some battles but will ultimately lose the war
Like it did with MP3 players?
You're right. I apologize.
Heck, I believed there are better ways to go about tablet OS than a straight port of iOS back before the iPad launch, and I still believe that. We'll just have to wait for Apple to show it to us.
I think that Apple's goal is to have a "single" OS that runs on all its hardware platforms and supports multiple UIs.
It won't be too long before we see iPads and Macs collaborating on, say, "Professional Video Editing and Post Production".
Most of what is needed to run Final Cut Pro X on the iPad is already in iOS -- it is just waiting for the hardware to catch up, and a multitouch UI for the app.
To me, this was one of the great potentials of WebOS for HP -- to make it available on pcs as well as tablets and phones.
Apparently, Windows 8 is MS's solution to a unified OS for all platforms and devices.
I agree, but, just try to imagine the world now with no Android (maybe without WM as well), just iOS and 'touch' Symbian (rip), (great) WebOS (rip), and all the other tentatives which are more or less dead or having an extremely small market share as of now. Sounds like a nice monopoly to me, with prices reaching the sky.
Personally, I like all those copycats on the market, so I can buy whichever I want.
(PS: I use iPhone, as I can see the difference.)
PS: if any spelling mistakes, say thanks to LION's innovative and unique spelling feature, which nobody shall implement it, or it will be called copycat.
AIR, Apple has submitted a patent application for Lion "AutoInCorrect".
Samsung Note ( Android + Wacom + HD resolution ( 1280 x 800 ) Super AMOLED Plus display in a 5.3 inch screen Tablet/phone hybrid. )
...
Guess Samsung beat Apple to it.
I'm pretty sure this is a capacitive stylus just like the ones you can use on the iPhone.
I meant a real, pressure sensitive, non capacitive stylus that can be used with accuracy to imitate drawing materials like pens, pencils, etc. You can already draw to a degree on the iPad, but you can't do anything that isn't sketchy or impressionistic without herculean effort. You will also never get very good handwriting detection with a capacitive stylus.
It requires a second digitiser built in to the device to separate the pen input from finger input.
I'm pretty sure this is a capacitive stylus just like the ones you can use on the iPhone.
I meant a real, pressure sensitive, non capacitive stylus that can be used with accuracy to imitate drawing materials like pens, pencils, etc. You can already draw to a degree on the iPad, but you can't do anything that isn't sketchy or impressionistic without herculean effort. You will also never get very good handwriting detection with a capacitive stylus.
It requires a second digitiser built in to the device to separate the pen input from finger input.
Source: http://global.samsungtomorrow.com/?p=5334
If you are still in denial, then you have problems.
I think that Apple's goal is to have a "single" OS that runs on all its hardware platforms and supports multiple UIs.
1) They started with a single OS, Darwin, albeit at different versions.
2) If you mean they will unify iOS for a pocketable device, iOS for a tablet, and Mac OS into a single UI I don't see how that will ever happen. Apple has specifically designed UIs to be optimized for each device.
I'm pretty sure this is a capacitive stylus just like the ones you can use on the iPhone.
I meant a real, pressure sensitive, non capacitive stylus that can be used with accuracy to imitate drawing materials like pens, pencils, etc. You can already draw to a degree on the iPad, but you can't do anything that isn't sketchy or impressionistic without herculean effort. You will also never get very good handwriting detection with a capacitive stylus.
It requires a second digitiser built in to the device to separate the pen input from finger input.
I don't see how that can happen whist still maintaining a durable glass display. The way I'd expect a quality and accurate stylus to be made would to be capacitance, but with low-power BlueTooth 4.0 pairing to send back pressure information. This puts the pressure sensor (and even gyroscopic pen twists and stylus button clickstyles witch point sizes,color, etc.) in the stylus.