So in other words it will compete with the ipad. Just not that well.
No, it means that it will compete with a segment of the iPad market, but not the whole market. The iPad will have to move quickly to being more of a computer than a toy to stay ahead of the game.
Yup, more people will buy the iPad when they realise the limitations of the Kindle Fire. Call me a fanboy but I'm not feeling this Kindle Fire. I could be wrong, and hope that there is some real tablet competition but these other tablet makers are not "getting" it. 7"... it's a gimmicky kind of size for what it hopes to achieve. A slower processor, 7" and half the iPad price tells me Amazon is still in trial mode. And that's not good enough for customers these days.
As for Amazon's e-Readers, yes they have some decent momentum but remember e-Readers are big in mostly Western countries but not Asian markets. I don't have a link but that's my gut feeling. Maybe e-Readers for traditional and simplified Chinese would be increasingly successful but not English e-Readers in Asian countries, particularly greater China. Also, has anyone looked at the age demographic for e-Readers? I think they are probably skewed towards older adults.
The effing ignorance of some people is amazing. This product will impact iPad sales with out a doubt.
95% of iPad users are very simplistic users, browse the web, email and 10-20 apps. The iPad is at least $499.
With this Kindle Fire you can do the same thing basically. If the app is already written for andriod it will run on this. Yes it has fewer apps, no camera, smaller screen etc. For some people that will be a show stopper, however WAY MORE people will jump at this device because it SAVES you at least $300!!!
7 inch tablets are too small for any normal person's fingers.
While one could increase the resolution of the display to make up for some of the difference, it is meaningless unless your tablet also includes sandpaper so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one quarter of their present size.
I never understood this line of reasoning, even though it originated with Steve Jobs. A 7" 16:9 display has nearly twice the 4:3 screen area of the iPhone. and more than triple the 16:9 area. Yet somehow the iPhone still works with human fingers.
Is 7" smaller than 10"? Duh. Would the same number of pixels be smaller on the 7" display? Duh. Could you somehow represent a finger-sized target on either size display? Duh.
The effing ignorance of some people is amazing. This product will impact iPad sales with out a doubt.
95% of iPad users are very simplistic users, browse the web, email and 10-20 apps. The iPad is at least $499.
With this Kindle Fire you can do the same thing basically. If the app is already written for andriod it will run on this. Yes it has fewer apps, no camera, smaller screen etc. For some people that will be a show stopper, however WAY MORE people will jump at this device because it SAVES you at least $300!!!
For proof of this, just look at all the successful 7" tablets on the market today.
please, continue talking to the straw man of your own making.
I don't make straw men, but feel free to take out a line of the argument and attacking it.
There's functional overlap between the Kindle and iPad. Much like there is between Netbooks and iPads. So the fact that they're "in different markets" is a moot point. They are still competing.
EDIT: Product page is already up here. The UI looks decent. Android tablet makers should hang it up, Honeycomb is uninspiring and lacks content. This has content and is cheaper.
Silly me can't find the amout of memory the fire has.
I like to store some files on my devices so that they can be used on a plane or boat or remote locations, so while the cloud is nice, local storage is nicer.
No, it means that it will compete with a segment of the iPad market, but not the whole market. The iPad will have to move quickly to being more of a computer than a toy to stay ahead of the game.
That's kind of a distinction without a difference. Gatorguy said it doesn't compete with the ipad but it may take sales from it. Taking sales is competing.
The iPad is a toy, for computer money. I would be more likely to buy a Kindle Fire. $199 is toy money for me. $499 is toy money for the more affuent.
IMO Amazon makes a strong point that this market does not justify a $499 price tag. Not to me, anyway. That could buy me a secondary laptop. Laptops are computers, iPad is a toy.
The iPad is a toy, for computer money. I would be more likely to buy a Kindle Fire. $199 is toy money for me. $499 is toy money for the more affuent.
IMO Amazon makes a strong point that this market does not justify a $499 price tag. Not to me, anyway. That could buy me a secondary laptop. Laptops are computers, iPad is a toy.
Ah, it's this kind of troll again. Didn't miss it.
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Originally Posted by AppleGreen
This is going to have an effect on Apple's holiday sales.
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And come Black Friday, it will be known as Amazon's Fire Sale Tablet.
Wow, that quickly, eh?
So in other words it will compete with the ipad. Just not that well.
No, it means that it will compete with a segment of the iPad market, but not the whole market. The iPad will have to move quickly to being more of a computer than a toy to stay ahead of the game.
7 inch tablets are too small for any normal person's fingers.
Yet, somehow people have managed to make do with the much smaller screen of the iPhone.
Sorry, but just because Steve Jobs says something, that doesn't make it instantly become true.
Yet, somehow people have managed to make do with the much smaller screen of the iPhone.
I was going to explain the inherent difference, but if you're still making this argument, you can't understand why you're wrong.
This is the poor man's iPad. The question is will Amazon make money out of it.
It's a loss leader. Unlike Apple though, Amazon sell just about everything and shipping it with Prime is a good move as it should boost their sales.
Like the iPad won't eventually compete with Laptops and isn't already competing with Netbooks?
i never said or implied such a thing.
please, continue talking to the straw man of your own making.
Yup, more people will buy the iPad when they realise the limitations of the Kindle Fire. Call me a fanboy but I'm not feeling this Kindle Fire. I could be wrong, and hope that there is some real tablet competition but these other tablet makers are not "getting" it. 7"... it's a gimmicky kind of size for what it hopes to achieve. A slower processor, 7" and half the iPad price tells me Amazon is still in trial mode. And that's not good enough for customers these days.
As for Amazon's e-Readers, yes they have some decent momentum but remember e-Readers are big in mostly Western countries but not Asian markets. I don't have a link but that's my gut feeling. Maybe e-Readers for traditional and simplified Chinese would be increasingly successful but not English e-Readers in Asian countries, particularly greater China. Also, has anyone looked at the age demographic for e-Readers? I think they are probably skewed towards older adults.
The effing ignorance of some people is amazing. This product will impact iPad sales with out a doubt.
95% of iPad users are very simplistic users, browse the web, email and 10-20 apps. The iPad is at least $499.
With this Kindle Fire you can do the same thing basically. If the app is already written for andriod it will run on this. Yes it has fewer apps, no camera, smaller screen etc. For some people that will be a show stopper, however WAY MORE people will jump at this device because it SAVES you at least $300!!!
7 inch tablets are too small for any normal person's fingers.
While one could increase the resolution of the display to make up for some of the difference, it is meaningless unless your tablet also includes sandpaper so that the user can sand down their fingers to around one quarter of their present size.
I never understood this line of reasoning, even though it originated with Steve Jobs. A 7" 16:9 display has nearly twice the 4:3 screen area of the iPhone. and more than triple the 16:9 area. Yet somehow the iPhone still works with human fingers.
Is 7" smaller than 10"? Duh. Would the same number of pixels be smaller on the 7" display? Duh. Could you somehow represent a finger-sized target on either size display? Duh.
The effing ignorance of some people is amazing. This product will impact iPad sales with out a doubt.
95% of iPad users are very simplistic users, browse the web, email and 10-20 apps. The iPad is at least $499.
With this Kindle Fire you can do the same thing basically. If the app is already written for andriod it will run on this. Yes it has fewer apps, no camera, smaller screen etc. For some people that will be a show stopper, however WAY MORE people will jump at this device because it SAVES you at least $300!!!
For proof of this, just look at all the successful 7" tablets on the market today.
4:3 screen area of the iPhone.
3:2.
As mentioned previously... I see a Black Friday fire sale in the Fire's future..
i never said or implied such a thing.
please, continue talking to the straw man of your own making.
I don't make straw men, but feel free to take out a line of the argument and attacking it.
There's functional overlap between the Kindle and iPad. Much like there is between Netbooks and iPads. So the fact that they're "in different markets" is a moot point. They are still competing.
EDIT: Product page is already up here. The UI looks decent. Android tablet makers should hang it up, Honeycomb is uninspiring and lacks content. This has content and is cheaper.
I like to store some files on my devices so that they can be used on a plane or boat or remote locations, so while the cloud is nice, local storage is nicer.
How much does the fire have?
No, it means that it will compete with a segment of the iPad market, but not the whole market. The iPad will have to move quickly to being more of a computer than a toy to stay ahead of the game.
That's kind of a distinction without a difference. Gatorguy said it doesn't compete with the ipad but it may take sales from it. Taking sales is competing.
IMO Amazon makes a strong point that this market does not justify a $499 price tag. Not to me, anyway. That could buy me a secondary laptop. Laptops are computers, iPad is a toy.
A 7" 16:9 display has nearly twice the 4:3 screen area of the iPhone.
Do you know that the screen is measured by diagonal distance, not the width or the height right?
1) Kindle Fire is cheaper.
2) It is a new product.
The iPad is a toy, for computer money. I would be more likely to buy a Kindle Fire. $199 is toy money for me. $499 is toy money for the more affuent.
IMO Amazon makes a strong point that this market does not justify a $499 price tag. Not to me, anyway. That could buy me a secondary laptop. Laptops are computers, iPad is a toy.
Ah, it's this kind of troll again. Didn't miss it.
This is going to have an effect on Apple's holiday sales.
Yeah, they'll increase.
2) It is a new product.
Meaning absolutely nothing.