but I agree he tried to be Jobs...he should've made this fully his own.
One of the better presenters is Vic Gundrata (sp?) for Google I/O he has a swag about him that isn't Jobsian. Cook needs his own swag
Steve Jobs cannot be mimicked.
You forget he's been with the company for 14 years. He wasn't mimicking Jobs. He was being Apple. That was his job before, and it's still his job now, even more so. That's the job of all of these guys. They are Apple.
There does seem to be quite a bit of disappointment over this, I know that three of my friends will not be upgrading based on the announcement.
Had Apple released the iPhone 4S back in June not many people I know would have complained, but to be 4 months later than usual and then show off a "S" model....... Well what did Apple expect? They screwed up plain & simple.
Still, as a 3GS owner it's good enough for me so I'll be pre ordering on Friday.
Somebody said iPhone 4S.. S=Steve please come back!
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Nobody has said anything about this but Tim Cook came off so boring. He is firing on all cylinders except for his press skills. I think given training for these public preso's Apple would be better off as far as the post-announcement period of iPhone's or whatever else comes up.
The no "panache" aspect came only from Tim. I love ya Tim! ...but we need more spirit coming out of you like Steve.
And now for the obligatory mention of the fact that Androids are actually not Robots at all (and vice versa), so the average Android user's self-image is even more f*cked up than that anyway, and basically based on a lie to begin with.
More importantly for Apple the technology they areas selling is built around software. Taking a more complete view of what they are delivering the 4s is major upgrade.
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Originally Posted by saarek
There does seem to be quite a bit of disappointment over this, I know that three of my friends will not be upgrading based on the announcement.
There are also a lot of idiots in the world, I wouldn't be the least bit concerned about your friends. Beyond that why do people think they have to automatically upgrade every time Apple releases product? I really don't get this, I've owned two iPhones at this point and the 3G was only replaced because it started to fail.
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Had Apple released the iPhone 4S back in June not many people I know would have complained, but to be 4 months later than usual and then show off a "S" model....... Well what did Apple expect? They screwed up plain & simple.
Nope, they delivered a major upgrade but unfortunately people are to dense to see that.
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Still, as a 3GS owner it's good enough for me so I'll be pre ordering on Friday.
Yep and when you get that iPhone I would expect your tune to change rapidly. For you the transition will impressive simply due to the better performance. So post back around December about your 4s, I don't think you will be disappointed.
Always works? An iPhone? Ya never had to reset the phone to get it to update messages? Mybe reset to actually get it to open the phone app? Or best, when it has decided twht it doesn't want to connect to any 3gnetwork that it chews through the battery trying, and then dies.
Maybe when you open the camera app and it sits with the shutter closed until the app is reset.
Maybe iOS5 will enable it to always work, but otherwise it's a nice dream.
Nope. I never had any of those problems. Maybe yours is broken.
Somebody said iPhone 4S.. S=Steve please come back!
That somebody overlooked the fact that the iPhone 4S is Steve. We'll be seeing Steve-guided Apple for quite a while as we continue to see products which Steve Jobs had his hands in for, perhaps, the next few years. If Tim Cook doesn't do anything drastic (I don't think he will) it will be some time before we start to see any changes which might be described as "Tim Cook's Apple," and even then, we don't know how influential Steve will be going forward in his new role.
I'm totally not responding to you here just because of the other thread. I stopped replying there because it was off-topic. I just wanted to point out that AAPL, today, is performing negatively compared to the NASDAQ (at the time of writing), as was the case yesterday. So even though we're seeing an increase in AAPL today, you could say that Wall Street is still responding negatively to the iPhone 4GS.
Not that I agree with them. I bought some more AAPL stock at the bottom of the dip yesterday. The only concern I have in doing so is the market as a whole.
Whatever, dude... but you are wrong here as well.
AAPL is almost bang on with the Nasdaq today (AAPL +1.73% - Nasdaq +1.74%) and anything that is in positive territory is considered just that.
If AAPL was viewed negatively because of yesterday then guess what... AAPL wuld be in negative territory... unless, of course, negative numbers are really positive and positive numbers are now negative.
You just have to compare the launch of iP4 and you'll see the response on Wall Street to a negative view.
AAPL is almost bang on with the Nasdaq today (AAPL +1.73% - Nasdaq +1.74%) and anything that is in positive territory is considered just that.
Apple was not so close at the time I wrote. Such is the stock market. What this would then, suggest, is that AAPL is performing on par with the market. That's a gain for AAPL, sure, but you can't equate that to a positive reception for the iPhone 4S. If anything it would suggest that perhaps the stock market has come to terms with it and is keeping the adjustments of yesterday. (Note that this morning AAPL was down more significantly in comparison to the market and it has since recovered the lost ground).
It is not so unusual, though, for this to happen after the Apple announcement.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
If AAPL was viewed negatively because of yesterday then guess what... AAPL wuld be in negative territory... unless, of course, negative numbers are really positive and positive numbers are now negative.
To gauge investor reaction you have to look at the stock and the market as a whole (perhaps along with competitors offering similar products). You can't just look at the AAPL stock alone. For example, if the NASDAQ was up 3% and Apple was up only 0.5%, that might represent a negative reaction to something related to Apple, not a positive reaction.
I have a feeling you already know this...
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Originally Posted by island hermit
You just have to compare the launch of iP4 and you'll see the response on Wall Street to a negative view.
What are you referring to? 'Antennagate'? Whatever indications we have from the past it doesn't change the simple observation presented above. And it should also be observed that it is possible to have varied degrees of negative reaction. That should go without saying.
Is it just me or do those pictures of the white iPhone make the screen look absolutely puny? Lot's of wasted space there - hopefully fixed on iPhone 5!
Apple was not so close at the time I wrote. Such is the stock market. What this would then, suggest, is that AAPL is performing on par with the market. That's a gain for AAPL, sure, but you can't equate that to a positive reception for the iPhone 4S. If anything it would suggest that perhaps the stock market has come to terms with it and is keeping the adjustments of yesterday. (Note that this morning AAPL was down more significantly in comparison to the market and it has since recovered the lost ground).
It is not so unusual, though, for this to happen after the Apple announcement.
To gauge investor reaction you have to look at the stock and the market as a whole (perhaps along with competitors offering similar products). You can't just look at the AAPL stock alone. For example, if the NASDAQ was up 3% and Apple was up only 0.5%, that might represent a negative reaction to something related to Apple, not a positive reaction.
I have a feeling you already know this...
What are you referring to? 'Antennagate'? Whatever indications we have from the past it doesn't change the simple observation presented above. And it should also be observed that it is possible to have varied degrees of negative reaction. That should go without saying.
This is all just gobbledegook.
A negative reaction puts a stock in negative territory. Period. [on edit: trailing the Naz by less than 1% does not a negative reaction make... neutral... sure... but not negative]
... and I checked the time of your post... AAPL differed from the Naz by .2%.
Try as hard as you may to put Apple's unveiling in a negative light but it just aint gonna wash.
[The strange thing to me is that you would think that the unveiling of the 4S, if viewed negatively, would have put some positive light on Google... not so, GOOG is trailing AAPL today.]
A superficial case change seems to be the only metric by which anyone is willing to gauge this.
Not to mention that the new phone is getting tons of new features with iOS5.
I think you really hit the nail on the head here.
Just take the 4S's guts (total improvement over last years model) and drop it in a different case design (call it a 5 instead of 4S) and the overall reaction would be totally different (not god's next gift but an overall different reaction). The threads would have been littered with folks saying they'd be pre-ordering 5's to replace their year old 4's.
Absolutely ridiculous when you step back and think about it.
All that said, there's been this huge expectation of the "next hot thing" coming from Apple - and that's only increased over the last year. Throw in almost half an extra year of waiting and they pull back the curtain and it looks...just like last years...and all the 12 and 13 year olds (and the folks that want to wear the next iPhone to show off that they have the latest thing and can't with a 4S) are feeling like they've been let down.
This expectation that it should look different to be new and better seemed to be very basic and widespread - even the analysts were reacting the same the way - the main tech analyst on CNBC was saying Apple's never done something like this (guess he missed the 3GS).
Very weird reaction overall - that said it might have been better business to put it in a new shell and call it a 5 - although that is not how Apple operates. I could also see Jobs wanting the 4's shell back when they defined this phone just to give the antenna critics the finger one more time, that would be so Steve.
The disappointment stems from hyped up articles in places like Appleinsider. Apple never made claims they'd be coming out with anything else. The current iPhone was pushed back because they released the Verizon iPhone in February and it didn't make sense to release a completely new model in June. Second, Sprint deal was in the works, probably, and they wanted to include the necessary hardware to include them instead of a separate model as they did with Verizon.
I suspect many people completely mis what Apple has come up with here. The 4S a far bigger refinement of the iPhone that the transition from the 3G to the 3GS.
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The iPhone 3G and 3GS models were basically incremental improvements over their predecessor. iPhone 4 marked a new form with the retina screen. So with Apple's history, did you really expect a game changing iPhone? Come on...
Personally I was expecting two new iPhones, that so Apple could break out of it's on horse show. Even then I think you under play just how significant this update is.
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iPhone 5 will come next year and it'll be a game changer. That, I'm sure of...
Well to be honest I don't see that as a given. In the end all iPhone is, is a very portable computer as such there are limits. For example 4G isn't a game changer, it is just another form of networking. Another example would be a larger screen, which is more of an individual preference. I'm certain there are people out there that would go for a smaller screen.
Much of the grumbling in the forums has nothing to do with the excellence that is iPhone 4S. Rather it is about personal preference, vanity and other things of questionable value. Sit down for a minute and think about what Apple did with the 4S and you can't help but to be impressed.
Is it just me or do those pictures of the white iPhone make the screen look absolutely puny? Lot's of wasted space there - hopefully fixed on iPhone 5!
Well that's always been the problem with the white iPhone or iPad...
Black makes it look like one big screen. With white the frame is much more pronounced and the screen looks fenced in and smaller.
I must have misunderstood... it sounded as if you were championing that bot as an Android robot. An interpretation I read (or may have misread) from the description of the other bots you showed.
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He had on a black buttondown shirt -_-
but I agree he tried to be Jobs...he should've made this fully his own.
One of the better presenters is Vic Gundrata (sp?) for Google I/O he has a swag about him that isn't Jobsian. Cook needs his own swag
Steve Jobs cannot be mimicked.
You forget he's been with the company for 14 years. He wasn't mimicking Jobs. He was being Apple. That was his job before, and it's still his job now, even more so. That's the job of all of these guys. They are Apple.
Originally Posted by saarek
There does seem to be quite a bit of disappointment over this, I know that three of my friends will not be upgrading based on the announcement.
Had Apple released the iPhone 4S back in June not many people I know would have complained, but to be 4 months later than usual and then show off a "S" model....... Well what did Apple expect? They screwed up plain & simple.
Still, as a 3GS owner it's good enough for me so I'll be pre ordering on Friday.
Somebody said iPhone 4S.. S=Steve please come back!
__
Nobody has said anything about this but Tim Cook came off so boring. He is firing on all cylinders except for his press skills. I think given training for these public preso's Apple would be better off as far as the post-announcement period of iPhone's or whatever else comes up.
The no "panache" aspect came only from Tim. I love ya Tim! ...but we need more spirit coming out of you like Steve.
Rick
Apple Fan for life
You know, now that you mention it...
And now for the obligatory mention of the fact that Androids are actually not Robots at all (and vice versa), so the average Android user's self-image is even more f*cked up than that anyway, and basically based on a lie to begin with.
There does seem to be quite a bit of disappointment over this, I know that three of my friends will not be upgrading based on the announcement.
There are also a lot of idiots in the world, I wouldn't be the least bit concerned about your friends. Beyond that why do people think they have to automatically upgrade every time Apple releases product? I really don't get this, I've owned two iPhones at this point and the 3G was only replaced because it started to fail.
Had Apple released the iPhone 4S back in June not many people I know would have complained, but to be 4 months later than usual and then show off a "S" model....... Well what did Apple expect? They screwed up plain & simple.
Nope, they delivered a major upgrade but unfortunately people are to dense to see that.
Still, as a 3GS owner it's good enough for me so I'll be pre ordering on Friday.
Yep and when you get that iPhone I would expect your tune to change rapidly. For you the transition will impressive simply due to the better performance. So post back around December about your 4s, I don't think you will be disappointed.
Let's just say I never touch a Windows machine without a condom.
my thoughts exactly
How does one become an analyst? Do you just need a blog and a bad opinion?
A lot of anal.
Always works? An iPhone? Ya never had to reset the phone to get it to update messages? Mybe reset to actually get it to open the phone app? Or best, when it has decided twht it doesn't want to connect to any 3gnetwork that it chews through the battery trying, and then dies.
Maybe when you open the camera app and it sits with the shutter closed until the app is reset.
Maybe iOS5 will enable it to always work, but otherwise it's a nice dream.
Nope. I never had any of those problems. Maybe yours is broken.
Somebody said iPhone 4S.. S=Steve please come back!
That somebody overlooked the fact that the iPhone 4S is Steve. We'll be seeing Steve-guided Apple for quite a while as we continue to see products which Steve Jobs had his hands in for, perhaps, the next few years. If Tim Cook doesn't do anything drastic (I don't think he will) it will be some time before we start to see any changes which might be described as "Tim Cook's Apple," and even then, we don't know how influential Steve will be going forward in his new role.
I'm totally not responding to you here just because of the other thread. I stopped replying there because it was off-topic. I just wanted to point out that AAPL, today, is performing negatively compared to the NASDAQ (at the time of writing), as was the case yesterday. So even though we're seeing an increase in AAPL today, you could say that Wall Street is still responding negatively to the iPhone 4GS.
Not that I agree with them. I bought some more AAPL stock at the bottom of the dip yesterday. The only concern I have in doing so is the market as a whole.
Whatever, dude... but you are wrong here as well.
AAPL is almost bang on with the Nasdaq today (AAPL +1.73% - Nasdaq +1.74%) and anything that is in positive territory is considered just that.
If AAPL was viewed negatively because of yesterday then guess what... AAPL wuld be in negative territory... unless, of course, negative numbers are really positive and positive numbers are now negative.
You just have to compare the launch of iP4 and you'll see the response on Wall Street to a negative view.
Different case, Larger screen, NFC chip (along with the inside upgrades they made).
It is a tablet or slab type cell phone, another case won't materially affect the design nor usability.
I'm actually in agreement when it comes to a larger screen but again that would not be replacement for the current 4 series iPhones.
Actually many would consider a NFC to be an unwanted addition.
In any event nothing you suggest here is reason to be critical of the iPhone 4S. It is a rather massive overhaul.
AAPL is almost bang on with the Nasdaq today (AAPL +1.73% - Nasdaq +1.74%) and anything that is in positive territory is considered just that.
Apple was not so close at the time I wrote. Such is the stock market. What this would then, suggest, is that AAPL is performing on par with the market. That's a gain for AAPL, sure, but you can't equate that to a positive reception for the iPhone 4S. If anything it would suggest that perhaps the stock market has come to terms with it and is keeping the adjustments of yesterday. (Note that this morning AAPL was down more significantly in comparison to the market and it has since recovered the lost ground).
It is not so unusual, though, for this to happen after the Apple announcement.
If AAPL was viewed negatively because of yesterday then guess what... AAPL wuld be in negative territory... unless, of course, negative numbers are really positive and positive numbers are now negative.
To gauge investor reaction you have to look at the stock and the market as a whole (perhaps along with competitors offering similar products). You can't just look at the AAPL stock alone. For example, if the NASDAQ was up 3% and Apple was up only 0.5%, that might represent a negative reaction to something related to Apple, not a positive reaction.
I have a feeling you already know this...
You just have to compare the launch of iP4 and you'll see the response on Wall Street to a negative view.
What are you referring to? 'Antennagate'? Whatever indications we have from the past it doesn't change the simple observation presented above. And it should also be observed that it is possible to have varied degrees of negative reaction. That should go without saying.
Apple was not so close at the time I wrote. Such is the stock market. What this would then, suggest, is that AAPL is performing on par with the market. That's a gain for AAPL, sure, but you can't equate that to a positive reception for the iPhone 4S. If anything it would suggest that perhaps the stock market has come to terms with it and is keeping the adjustments of yesterday. (Note that this morning AAPL was down more significantly in comparison to the market and it has since recovered the lost ground).
It is not so unusual, though, for this to happen after the Apple announcement.
To gauge investor reaction you have to look at the stock and the market as a whole (perhaps along with competitors offering similar products). You can't just look at the AAPL stock alone. For example, if the NASDAQ was up 3% and Apple was up only 0.5%, that might represent a negative reaction to something related to Apple, not a positive reaction.
I have a feeling you already know this...
What are you referring to? 'Antennagate'? Whatever indications we have from the past it doesn't change the simple observation presented above. And it should also be observed that it is possible to have varied degrees of negative reaction. That should go without saying.
This is all just gobbledegook.
A negative reaction puts a stock in negative territory. Period. [on edit: trailing the Naz by less than 1% does not a negative reaction make... neutral... sure... but not negative]
... and I checked the time of your post... AAPL differed from the Naz by .2%.
Try as hard as you may to put Apple's unveiling in a negative light but it just aint gonna wash.
[The strange thing to me is that you would think that the unveiling of the 4S, if viewed negatively, would have put some positive light on Google... not so, GOOG is trailing AAPL today.]
A superficial case change seems to be the only metric by which anyone is willing to gauge this.
Not to mention that the new phone is getting tons of new features with iOS5.
I think you really hit the nail on the head here.
Just take the 4S's guts (total improvement over last years model) and drop it in a different case design (call it a 5 instead of 4S) and the overall reaction would be totally different (not god's next gift but an overall different reaction). The threads would have been littered with folks saying they'd be pre-ordering 5's to replace their year old 4's.
Absolutely ridiculous when you step back and think about it.
All that said, there's been this huge expectation of the "next hot thing" coming from Apple - and that's only increased over the last year. Throw in almost half an extra year of waiting and they pull back the curtain and it looks...just like last years...and all the 12 and 13 year olds (and the folks that want to wear the next iPhone to show off that they have the latest thing and can't with a 4S) are feeling like they've been let down.
This expectation that it should look different to be new and better seemed to be very basic and widespread - even the analysts were reacting the same the way - the main tech analyst on CNBC was saying Apple's never done something like this (guess he missed the 3GS).
Very weird reaction overall - that said it might have been better business to put it in a new shell and call it a 5 - although that is not how Apple operates. I could also see Jobs wanting the 4's shell back when they defined this phone just to give the antenna critics the finger one more time, that would be so Steve.
The disappointment stems from hyped up articles in places like Appleinsider. Apple never made claims they'd be coming out with anything else. The current iPhone was pushed back because they released the Verizon iPhone in February and it didn't make sense to release a completely new model in June. Second, Sprint deal was in the works, probably, and they wanted to include the necessary hardware to include them instead of a separate model as they did with Verizon.
I suspect many people completely mis what Apple has come up with here. The 4S a far bigger refinement of the iPhone that the transition from the 3G to the 3GS.
The iPhone 3G and 3GS models were basically incremental improvements over their predecessor. iPhone 4 marked a new form with the retina screen. So with Apple's history, did you really expect a game changing iPhone? Come on...
Personally I was expecting two new iPhones, that so Apple could break out of it's on horse show. Even then I think you under play just how significant this update is.
iPhone 5 will come next year and it'll be a game changer. That, I'm sure of...
Well to be honest I don't see that as a given. In the end all iPhone is, is a very portable computer as such there are limits. For example 4G isn't a game changer, it is just another form of networking. Another example would be a larger screen, which is more of an individual preference. I'm certain there are people out there that would go for a smaller screen.
Much of the grumbling in the forums has nothing to do with the excellence that is iPhone 4S. Rather it is about personal preference, vanity and other things of questionable value. Sit down for a minute and think about what Apple did with the 4S and you can't help but to be impressed.
Is it just me or do those pictures of the white iPhone make the screen look absolutely puny? Lot's of wasted space there - hopefully fixed on iPhone 5!
Well that's always been the problem with the white iPhone or iPad...
Black makes it look like one big screen. With white the frame is much more pronounced and the screen looks fenced in and smaller.
Especially Cook and Schiller were not just missing their usual energy - they seemed definitely sad.
When Cook said "I love Apple", it sounded like "I can't believe how much I miss Steve".
At the same time, I don't see how this would influence Apple's chances against other platforms, including all the Android versions.
He lost.
so... not analagous to the current history?
so... not analagous to the current history?
I must have misunderstood... it sounded as if you were championing that bot as an Android robot. An interpretation I read (or may have misread) from the description of the other bots you showed.
Sorry if I misunderstood.
A lot of anal.
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