Apple's iPhone 4S event seen lacking 'panache,' allowing Android to gain

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  • Reply 141 of 279
    stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    He had on a black buttondown shirt -_-



    but I agree he tried to be Jobs...he should've made this fully his own.



    One of the better presenters is Vic Gundrata (sp?) for Google I/O he has a swag about him that isn't Jobsian. Cook needs his own swag



    Steve Jobs cannot be mimicked.



    Look at past pictures of Cook, dude. That's been his style for a while now. Jobs is not the first man to discover black shirts. His' style is not so much about wearing a black mock turtleneck. It's about not changing your shirt year after year. Simply by changing his shirt once a week, Cook would be totally his own man
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  • Reply 142 of 279
    alfiejralfiejr Posts: 1,524member
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    Originally Posted by jpokorny View Post


    I for one, am sort of disappointed. What was I expecting? I'm not sure. Innovation, I guess.

    I have a 3GS. I love it. I have noticed it being a bit slower with iOS 4. My music did not skip on iOS 3. I would sort of like to use Facetime, but I have an iPad 2 for that. Yes, I would like a HD camera, the iPad 2 camera sucks in my opinion.



    So why should I upgrade to a 4s? Siri doesnt really do it for me. Sure, an A5 would be nice. Im really holding out for iOS 5. Im mean, if the 3GS didnt run iOS 5, I would upgrade in a minute.



    So $199 for an HD camera, a better display, and faster chip? I dont play games on the phone.



    Im also stuck on the "S" upgrade cycle. If I upgrade now, it'll be 2 years before I can upgrade again. Say next year the real iPhone 5 comes out. I wont be able to upgrade without paying more. So I wait until the 5s?



    Also, I was hoping for an upgraded Apple TV. I have a first gen Apple TV. Would like a 2nd, but dont want to buy one if a 3rd is coming out soon...which apparently it's not.



    Im not a "hater" or whatever. I love my Apple products, would recommend them to anyone. Im just not sure it's worth it to upgrade right now. Meanwhile the specs on the Droid Bionic look really nice...too bad I hate Droids.



    Btw..these are all first world problems.



    well, i have exactly the same stuff you do (plus some macs), except my ATV is V.2 (and you should get one, it's only $100, if only to use iOS 5 Screen Mirroring with your iPad 2).



    but i don't have your angst. we are all stuck in two year telco contract upgrade cycles (except for those who are rich, get phones from their business, can pass along their old phone to their spouse/kids, or are hopelessly addicted to gadgets and buy them compulsively). so the thing to do is straightforward: buy a new phone every two model cycles (might be some months longer than 2 years if you are an early adopter - have a little patience). it will always be a big leap technically from your last one because you skipped one in-between model, and you will be really impressed.



    the super new 4S camera alone would be enuff for me. we take a lot of snapshots and some vids. all those improvements really really matter. i will only take a separate camera when i need zoom, like vacation. so if you take many snaps or vids, get a 4S.



    FaceTime is fun, my wife loves it. if you have family that can use FaceTime at the other end too, get a 4S.



    you have to be on AT&T with an older 3GS. now you can shop for better service/price with Verizon or Sprint. if your service is poor, get a 4S and switch to better service.



    those are compelling reasons to upgrade if they apply to you. in addition to the otherwise much superior hardware (and style) of the 4S, and the 3GS' inability to support all the new features of iOS 5. and Siri is certain to continue to evolve and expand in capabilities on the 4S, something to look forward to.



    LTE and NFC, etc. will be nice to upgrade to - on the next two year cycle - once they are fully deployed and debugged (which they are not today). i can wait until the iPhone 5S or 6 or whatever it's called for them.
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  • Reply 143 of 279
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    Originally Posted by Negafox View Post


    Quite a few of my coworkers that have an iPhone 3GS plan to jump ship to Android. The iPhone 3GS was powerful for its time, but the iPhone 4S is just playing incremental catch-up to Android, and even then, it's still behind. Has Apple even revealed how much RAM is in the iPhone 4S or what the A5 is even clocked at? Android has dual-core 1.5 GHz phones with 1 GB RAM. We will be seeing 16 MP cameras in Android phones starting next month and quad-cores are coming.



    Most of the iPhone 4S sales will be iPhone 3GS owners that have been out of contract for months. But, I do not think it will convert Android users or bring in new customers excluding new Sprint customers.



    So to swap anecdotes with you, I know of no one who is going Android, and know LOTs who've gone back to Apple now that their carrier offers it.

    Android appeals to those for whom the device itself, and the hobby of futzing with it, is the whole point. For the vast majority of real users, its about what you do with it, and in that realm, Apple has Android in its rear view mirror.



    But by all means, enjoy having to root your HTC phone to get rid of their spyware.
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  • Reply 144 of 279
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    Originally Posted by replicant View Post


    The thing is this: People do not want to lock themselves down for another 2-3 years with a design that has been around more than a year and a half ago.

    And this is where I think Apple can improve on.



    By releasing a new phone every few months simply for the sake of change, that people still can't upgrade to because of the CARRIERS' lock in?



    The smart user does an every-other-year upgrade to coincide with their contracts.

    If you upgrade every year (or every other month) then you're just a junkie.

    No problems with that, just don't think everyone is similarly addicted.
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  • Reply 145 of 279
    wovelwovel Posts: 956member
    AI should better vet their analysts... He is by far one of the least respected analysts in tech. In the race to the bottom, he is a stand-out leader. What does the financial press think of Alex? Fortune is not a big fan:



    http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/...nded-in-guana/

    Quote:

    So forgive me if I place some of the blame for what happened Wednesday on an analyst named Alex Gauna at JMP Securities. I never thought much of Gauna's work -- his Q4 2010 predictions were among the worst of 38 Apple analysts Fortune surveyed (see here) -- but he really distinguished himself Wednesday by downgrading Apple and casting aspersions on its product sales even as customers were still (five days after launch) lining up outside Apple Stores in the early morning hours to buy the latest iPad.



    Hear the crazy speak here: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/tag/alex-gauna/



    He is merely trying to manipulate his theory into reality, unfortunately for him, Pple has an earnings call coming up and investors will realize how meaningless his spec comparisons are.
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  • Reply 146 of 279
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    Originally Posted by paxman View Post


    I think he looked nervous as well as most people would be in his position. He was professional but the enthusiasm is too rehearsed. I think Apple should employ a 'spokes person' who would be very comfortable on stage and who could project 'real' enthusiasm. He could then introduce all the Apple dignitaries as need be. The 'show' has gotten so big that pro presenters are needed. Its the same for Google or MS, their presentations are really lame. Apple should lead the way here. Were they to the rest of the tech industry would follow in no time, guaranteed. I mean, these are nothing but marketing events after all.



    lol word...I dread when Vic leaves the stage and the other uber geeky people take the stage. lol
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  • Reply 147 of 279
    wovelwovel Posts: 956member
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    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    By releasing a new phone every few months simply for the sake of change, that people still can't upgrade to because of the CARRIERS' lock in?



    The smart user does an every-other-year upgrade to coincide with their contracts.

    If you upgrade every year (or every other month) then you're just a junkie.

    No problems with that, just don't think everyone is similarly addicted.



    He also ignores the fact that the iPhone 4 still outsells every new phone on the market, people seem pretty content with the design...
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  • Reply 148 of 279
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    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    Look at past pictures of Cook, dude. That's been his style for a while now. Jobs is not the first man to discover black shirts. His' style is not so much about wearing a black mock turtleneck. It's about not changing your shirt year after year. Simply by changing his shirt once a week, Cook would be totally his own man



    nah I don't mean he tried to look like Jobs (he didn't) but his movements and attempted delivery were badly done Jobsian.
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  • Reply 149 of 279
    wovelwovel Posts: 956member
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    lol word...I dread when Vic leaves the stage and the other uber geeky people take the stage. lol



    Maybe the let's get ready t rumble guy can MC.
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  • Reply 150 of 279
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    Originally Posted by j1h15233 View Post


    How did Apple screw this up? They made literally almost everything about the phone better but they didn't change the design, which is itself quite impressive. Not to mention that they'll probably break sales records again when pre orders start in a few days.



    They waited an extra 4 months so as to sell the 4S with iOS5. Apple should have released the 4S this summer and just released iOS 5 on schedule.
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  • Reply 151 of 279
    airnerdairnerd Posts: 693member
    Has anyone discussed just what the heck those cases we were seeing come out of China might have been for?
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  • Reply 152 of 279
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    Originally Posted by 11thIndian View Post


    Right, but outside of the larger screen, none of what you've said is exterior design. And it seems to me that design is really the hang up here. It's not enough that the iPhone4S is dramatically faster and with a better camera and new voice control system. A superficial case change seems to be the only metric by which anyone is willing to gauge this.



    Not to mention that the new phone is getting tons of new features with iOS5.



    Whereas you'd have to either know the phone REALLY well to tell the difference between the GS and GSII without holding it in your hands and it gets a pass.



    The exterior design is different, so as to accommodate the larger screen of the S2, as well as other upgraded internals and a larger battery. The S2 chassis when compared to the S1 is slimmer, lighter and larger in both width and length. Also the S1 is more of an oval shape compared to the more rectangular S2. And no, you don't really have to know the phones well to see that one is larger than the other and also shaped differently.



    Here's a bottom edge view of both phones:







    You can't compare the S2 vs S1 case with IP 4S vs IP 4 because as far as I know, the 4S basically uses the exact same chassis as the IP 4 CDMA version which fixes the antenna issue. I don't think most people disappointed by the 4S right now are only clamoring for the so-called "tear-drop" design of the rumoured IP 5. But rather, the larger 4" screen which accommodates that mock-up. And the lighter, thinner and less fragile aluminium unibody design. I can see why people are disappointed. The IP 5 mock-ups does look amazing.
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  • Reply 153 of 279
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    Originally Posted by MacInsider2 View Post


    Initially i was VERY disapointed.



    Then I thought about it. The 4s has EVERYTHING I wanted except for one thing, a 4" screen. World phone, improved camera, 64gb, fixed antenna, and dual core CPU.



    Nothing is perfect, but overall it's a good upgrade for 3gs owners who waited out the 4



    Is it truly a world phone? Will it work in Japan (serious question)?
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  • Reply 154 of 279
    gqbgqb Posts: 1,934member
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    Originally Posted by thesmoth View Post


    Oh man, I forgot how painful it is to read these forums. A bunch of 12 year old fanboys rabidly defending apple products with no sense or logic.



    I've been browsing some 'real' forums for a while now, and coming back here makes me loose faith in humanity for how much blatant stupidity is flying around.



    By 'real forums', I assume you mean the slew of HTC forums with everyone scrambling with advise on how to get the trojan spyware off of their phone.



    The only 'fanboi-ism' here is coming from those who still think that Apple's products are about feature list.

    They're about usefulness. And the public gets it.
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  • Reply 155 of 279
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    By 'real forums', I assume you mean the slew of HTC forums with everyone scrambling with advise on how to get the trojan spyware off of their phone.



    The only 'fanboi-ism' here is coming from those who still think that Apple's products are about feature list.

    They're about usefulness. And the public gets it.



    oh you're one of those -_-



    I bet you think every non Apple PC is like a cheap hooker with viruses.
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  • Reply 156 of 279
    galbigalbi Posts: 968member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LogicNReason View Post


    Do people still think analysts know what they're talking about? If so, I have a bridge to sell yah



    An analyst who favors Apple is a "good" analyst.



    One who disfavors Apple is a "bad" analyst.



    Do I get a cookie?
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  • Reply 157 of 279
    jupiteronejupiterone Posts: 1,564member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    Speaking of presentation snafus, would it have hurt them to add that most of the new features for the Nano would be available that night as a software update to the existing model?

    We downloaded it and its great.



    Wait, are you serious? I asked that very question over in the Nano thread. I thought everything that was announced in the presentation (admittedly, I have watched it yet, only saw the feeds) was software and asked why someone needed to buy a new Nano. So are you saying that you got all of those new features on the previous Nano via Software Update?
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  • Reply 158 of 279
    negafoxnegafox Posts: 480member
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    Originally Posted by tt92618 View Post


    Good grief, Terrence... do you even think about this stuff before you write it? The mere fact that all you can think about is the specs shows that you don't get it.



    Consumers want something useful - something that adds value to their lives. They don't care if it has 512MB of RAM and an onboard GPU and two cores running at 1.2GHZ - they care that it takes great pictures, it's easy and fun to use, it has a ton of apps, they are safe to obtain, that you can access great content offerings, and watch them anywhere when you want, etc.



    Only the geeks with the pointy hats think the amount of RAM is more important than the experience of using the device and how it adds value to your life, and only the geeks think that characteristics like "bytes of RAM" and "end user value" are actually synonymous.



    Why are you referring to me by my first name (albeit, you misspelled it). Do you happen to know me? I am a geek, I will admit that. I love tech specs.



    My primary complaint about Apple is that they are playing it too safe. iPhone 4S and iOS 5 feel like safe upgrades and do not do enough to blow the competition out of the water. Hardware-wise, iPhone 4S is about the equivalent mid-end Android phone. Lets get that out of the way.



    Software and feature-wise, I am not impressed either. Siri seems gimmicky (ala Nintendo 3DS' 3D screen), but I will find out for sure how useful it turns out to be once I get my iPhone 4S next week. Apple was touting how fast the iPhone can snap pictures. It would have been nice to see some comparisons of the camera quality compared to competitors. Once the reviews come out next week, we will find out how the camera actually fares. I use a digital camera now because the iPhone 3GS' camera is not up to snuff. The iPhone 4S' camera might be a sufficient replacement.



    I have voiced my opinions before on what I would like to see changed in iOS. Here are the two most frequently used features about my iPhone: Maps and Safari.



    Maps. There are many toll roads in Southern California and I would love if I could configure Maps to avoid toll roads. Perhaps, add in navigation support to Maps. The revamped notification system is nice, but it is more similar to Android's counterpart part, so nothing to toot their horn about. I passionately hated the notification system in iOS 4.



    Safari. I frequently use my phone's web browser at home rather than my MacBook Pro because it is just small and convenient. I frequently visit Memebase websites and they completely kills my iPhone 3GS. Safari's performance is heavily based around the amount of RAM available to the application.



    Let me make one thing clear and it is that I am a very Apple oriented person. I have 2 iPhone 3GS' (soon to be 2 iPhone 4S'), 17" MacBook Pro and 3 iPod Nanos. The competition has become fierce in the smart phone market and my frustration is that I feel Apple is being complacent and not doing enough to innovate.
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  • Reply 159 of 279
    jupiteronejupiterone Posts: 1,564member
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    Originally Posted by DJinTX View Post


    2. a non-glass back panel as they have shown to be too fragile. I am careful with my phone, but it would be my luck to drop it and shatter it. If you only have glass on the front, then you have a 50% less chance of glass breaking if and when you drop.



    I'm not picking on you, but this just made be wonder. If the shape was the same, but had a plastic back, wouldn't the glass front be heavier, making it tend to fall face down? Kinda like the butter side of the bread hitting the floor?
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  • Reply 160 of 279
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    Originally Posted by GQB View Post


    By releasing a new phone every few months simply for the sake of change, that people still can't upgrade to because of the CARRIERS' lock in?



    The smart user does an every-other-year upgrade to coincide with their contracts.

    If you upgrade every year (or every other month) then you're just a junkie.

    No problems with that, just don't think everyone is similarly addicted.



    Did I suggest a release cycle of every few months? No.

    I am not a junkie but I agree with folks who think that Apple waited too long to release a phone with the exact same form factor. Regardless of the features, I speak for myself and say that I will not lock myself in another 2-3 year contract just to have a phone that looks like last year's (and more ) model.



    Apple caters to the high end so in the very same way, I don't think BMW would ever release the exact same model for 2 consecutive cycles with improved performance and features. Apple belongs in that same market segment. I hope my analogy makes sense



    Besides, I am pretty sure they will sell a ton in any case...
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