The thing is this: People do not want to lock themselves down for another 2-3 years with a design that has been around more than a year and a half ago.
And this is where I think Apple can improve on.
Says you. I mean, how can you stand to drive the same car for years? How can you walk into your kitchen and look at the same refrigerator/stove/microwave year after year after year???
I'm not picking on you, but this just made be wonder. If the shape was the same, but had a plastic back, wouldn't the glass front be heavier, making it tend to fall face down? Kinda like the butter side of the bread hitting the floor?
Depends on how high up you drop it from. If you drop it from 5+ feet, that thing is going to shatter no matter how much is glass (unless it hits like a mattress). However, a friend of mine set his down on my granite countertop and it popped a corner of the back glass off. It slipped from probably 9 inches above the counter. Had that been a plastic back, no, it wouldn't have flipped over and would have just bounced.
edit: the phone is still beautiful with the glass. Very sharp looking phone, just have to be more careful with it.
By releasing a new phone every few months simply for the sake of change, that people still can't upgrade to because of the CARRIERS' lock in?
The smart user does an every-other-year upgrade to coincide with their contracts.
If you upgrade every year (or every other month) then you're just a junkie.
No problems with that, just don't think everyone is similarly addicted.
The smarter user does upgrade his iPhone every time a new model comes out.
Ask my wife and kids. At least that is what they think knowing that I will be upgrading to an iPhone 4S and passing down my iPhone 4 in a week or so. Just like I have done virtually every year for my MacBook Pros as well.
Not sure. Challenge is resolution issue. To keep things easy to scale up for app devs, they need to do 2x resolution at least to maintain the "retina" marketing with a larger screen. That's a LOT of horsepower to push that many pixels...
And a hell of a drop in frame rate. For some pixel operations, I've seen the 4G iPod Touch chuckle where the 3GS shines.
Although someone pointed that Apple could make the screen a bit bigger and still be "within retina territory". But I personally dread the very idea of pushing the ppi downwards(even if slightly), feels wrong at this stage. I'd rather stay with the current size.
I'm not picking on you, but this just made be wonder. If the shape was the same, but had a plastic back, wouldn't the glass front be heavier, making it tend to fall face down? Kinda like the butter side of the bread hitting the floor?
It's a good question. I'm not really sure. My guess is that since the 3G and 3Gs had plastic backs and they didn't exhibit this "buttered bread phenomenon" that the iPhone 4 type design with a plastic back wouldn't either, but you never know. Of course I would prefer the back be curved aluminum like the iPad 2, os not sure if this changes the outcome or not.
Agreed. It would have been nice to see it come in other colours as well (metallic gray?). Again, a personal opinion but the curved design of the iPhone 3G feels much better if compared to the boxy iPhone 4. The glass and metal is really adding weigh. Let's also keep in mind that if we look at buying habits, the durability factor probably should not outweigh the lightness factor IMHO.
People trade in their phones usually after their contract expires and often, they purchase a case for extra protection anyways.
I agree with you that the 3G/3GS felt really wonderful in the hand. The iPhone 4 is a far more beautiful object but I don't think it feels nearly so nice to hold.
You're right about durability. Phones only ever stay with most of us for 2 years max but it's more than durability. I get a real kick out of having such a well-made thing. It adds to the joy of ownership, just like my unibody MacBook.
Android and iPhone do not compete on the same market.
Android gains in:
1) people with not enough money to buy an iPhone
2) people who don't care about smartphones and apps, and just get what the clerk at the telco store gives them.
3) cheapos
4) OSS "Libre" freaks
5) Tinkerers
6) Anti-apple contrarians
Now, (1), (2) and (3) are a huge market, but not exactly luxurious or desirable.
(4),(5),(6) are insignificant.
It's like in the desktop: PCs for the masses and that 0.5-1 % of Linux desktops, and Macs for the high end, high margin buyers.
That's how Apple has 10-12% market share in the desktop but the MOST profits than any other company, and that's why Dell is falling apart.
Oh, and Google is even in worse place than Dell. At least Dell sells it's hardware. Google just gives Android for free, with minuscule returns from ads viewed on the devices...
Oh man, I forgot how painful it is to read these forums. A bunch of 12 year old fanboys rabidly defending apple products with no sense or logic.
I've been browsing some 'real' forums for a while now, and coming back here makes me loose faith in humanity for how much blatant stupidity is flying around.
Then, please feel free to go away, and allow us to wallow in our stupidity....
Someone came out with something more than equivalent (and in some ways superior) months ago. The phone coming out on October 11th will trump the iPhone 4S in every way, including screen res (1280x720).
This is why analysts are disappointed. The iPhone 4S is not going to be the class leader like all other iPhones were, by a good margin. It's starting out behind.
Superior only in some hardware specs. Which DON'T MATTER.
People didn't buy Archos mp3 player+fm stereo+coffee maker+games console+hand sanitizer devices. They bought the iPod which did what it did, elegantly, more user friendly and with attention to detail.
Less is more.
For example, even the higher screen resolution mentioned on that "October 11th phone" is a disadvantage for MULTIPLE reasons:
1) Android graphic pipeline was not really designed for speed. It even lags in scrolling content. Higher res screen = worse performance.
2) Android does not have just one or two resolutions. There are all kinds of devices. So most apps will cater to the most common denominator and look like crap in the high res screen compared to the native controls. Apps cannot be just doubled here (as from iPhone 3 to iPhone 4), so their controls will look either fuzzy (zoomed in), or tiny (same dimensions, higher screen dpi).
Says you. I mean, how can you stand to drive the same car for years? How can you walk into your kitchen and look at the same refrigerator/stove/microwave year after year after year???
Maybe you should have asked: how can you stand buying the same looking car?
Then you would have made the same point that I was making
I think the biggest thing we're missing about the lack of excitement in this rollout is that the iPhone 4S was delayed in order to have something, anything, big to talk about at the IOS 5 event. No one seems to notice that except for small changes to the Nano, the entire iPod line is stagnant. now, it's a damn good lineup to start with, but not upgrading the iPod Touch to at least the iPhone 4 level of screen, camera, etc. is a bit of a downer.
So if you think this was a disappointment, imagine what the reaction would have been to a new nano with a wristwatch face and nothing else would have been like.
Here's what I find more often than not. Most people want an iPhone, but of those, most don't want to pay for it and opt for a cheaper Android model. Some people are particular about features that just aren't available on the iPhone, regardless of how practical those features are. There are some limitations associated with the iPhone, but my guess is that only a tiny percentage of the market are technical enough to know not only what they are, but want/need those missing features. And some people just hate Apple.
The only reason people are disappointed is because Apple didn't introduce this 'rumored' super thin handset and b/c the iPhone 4S "looks like" the same iPhone 4. Had Apple introduced this phone in a new shell design with the same specs, I have a feeling everyone would be raving about it. Because it looks the same people only seem to see an "update" rather than a total new phone.
Of course I'm an Apple user and therefore in the eyes of Apple-haters I just another guy drinking the Apple-flavored koolaid - in their eyes Apple's success is all marketing and zero substance - which is ridiculous.
Personally, I have an iPhone 3GS and while I'd love to have a new model, the truth is that it's still adequate for my needs and I don't want to part with another 3-4 hundred dollars. That being said, I'm very interested in Siri and if the real-world reviews live up to what seems to be the case, well, it's going to be hard to keep my you-don't-need-it-discipline going.
There does seem to be quite a bit of disappointment over this, I know that three of my friends will not be upgrading based on the announcement.
Had Apple released the iPhone 4S back in June not many people I know would have complained, but to be 4 months later than usual and then show off a "S" model....... Well what did Apple expect? They screwed up plain & simple.
Still, as a 3GS owner it's good enough for me so I'll be pre ordering on Friday.
You do see the hypocrisy of your comment, right? You are also buyer of an iPhone that has an 'S' appended to the model name of the previous generation. A model that outsold the iPhone 3G that came before it.
Based on the continued record sales of the iPhone 4 over the last 16 months and new internals of the new iPhone 4S I'll bet anyone that will sell more units than it has previously.
PS: Why is there an expectation for a phone to be completely alter its casing with a radical new design every year? They didn't with the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS so why are so many feeling it's unexpected, or a slap in the face. More importantly, why do people care about the appearance being radically different if the internals are upgraded to make your experience better?
Here's what I find more often than not. Most people want an iPhone, but of those, most don't want to pay for it and opt for a cheaper Android model. Some people are particular about features that just aren't available on the iPhone, regardless of how practical those features are. There are some limitations associated with the iPhone, but my guess is that only a tiny percentage of the market are technical enough to know not only what they are, but want/need those missing features. And some people just hate Apple.
The only reason people are disappointed is because Apple didn't introduce this 'rumored' super thin handset and b/c the iPhone 4S "looks like" the same iPhone 4. Had Apple introduced this phone in a new shell design with the same specs, I have a feeling everyone would be raving about it. Because it looks the same people only seem to see an "update" rather than a total new phone.
Of course I'm an Apple user and therefore in the eyes of Apple-haters I just another guy drinking the Apple-flavored koolaid - in their eyes Apple's success is all marketing and zero substance - which is ridiculous.
Personally, I have an iPhone 3GS and while I'd love to have a new model, the truth is that it's still adequate for my needs and I don't want to part with another 3-4 hundred dollars. That being said, I'm very interested in Siri and if the real-world reviews live up to what seems to be the case, well, it's going to be hard to keep my you-don't-need-it-discipline going.
So let me get this straight...people buy Android because they are cheap or broke correct?
Yet you won't update your 3GS because of money?
So which is it, are you cheap? or broke? if so why aren't you on Android?
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He is still employed? I guess there's no performance expectations in his firm.
The thing is this: People do not want to lock themselves down for another 2-3 years with a design that has been around more than a year and a half ago.
And this is where I think Apple can improve on.
Says you. I mean, how can you stand to drive the same car for years? How can you walk into your kitchen and look at the same refrigerator/stove/microwave year after year after year???
Btw, the reaction here strongly reminds me of the reaction after the iPad 2...
And we saw how that turned out.
The reactions remind me more of the iPhone 3GS keynote. And we all know what a complete and total flop that phone was
I'm not picking on you, but this just made be wonder. If the shape was the same, but had a plastic back, wouldn't the glass front be heavier, making it tend to fall face down? Kinda like the butter side of the bread hitting the floor?
Depends on how high up you drop it from. If you drop it from 5+ feet, that thing is going to shatter no matter how much is glass (unless it hits like a mattress). However, a friend of mine set his down on my granite countertop and it popped a corner of the back glass off. It slipped from probably 9 inches above the counter. Had that been a plastic back, no, it wouldn't have flipped over and would have just bounced.
edit: the phone is still beautiful with the glass. Very sharp looking phone, just have to be more careful with it.
By releasing a new phone every few months simply for the sake of change, that people still can't upgrade to because of the CARRIERS' lock in?
The smart user does an every-other-year upgrade to coincide with their contracts.
If you upgrade every year (or every other month) then you're just a junkie.
No problems with that, just don't think everyone is similarly addicted.
The smarter user does upgrade his iPhone every time a new model comes out.
Ask my wife and kids. At least that is what they think knowing that I will be upgrading to an iPhone 4S and passing down my iPhone 4 in a week or so. Just like I have done virtually every year for my MacBook Pros as well.
Not sure. Challenge is resolution issue. To keep things easy to scale up for app devs, they need to do 2x resolution at least to maintain the "retina" marketing with a larger screen. That's a LOT of horsepower to push that many pixels...
And a hell of a drop in frame rate. For some pixel operations, I've seen the 4G iPod Touch chuckle where the 3GS shines.
Although someone pointed that Apple could make the screen a bit bigger and still be "within retina territory". But I personally dread the very idea of pushing the ppi downwards(even if slightly), feels wrong at this stage. I'd rather stay with the current size.
oh you're one of those -_-
I bet you think every non Apple PC is like a cheap hooker with viruses.
What? Are you saying they're not?
I'm not picking on you, but this just made be wonder. If the shape was the same, but had a plastic back, wouldn't the glass front be heavier, making it tend to fall face down? Kinda like the butter side of the bread hitting the floor?
It's a good question. I'm not really sure. My guess is that since the 3G and 3Gs had plastic backs and they didn't exhibit this "buttered bread phenomenon" that the iPhone 4 type design with a plastic back wouldn't either, but you never know. Of course I would prefer the back be curved aluminum like the iPad 2, os not sure if this changes the outcome or not.
Agreed. It would have been nice to see it come in other colours as well (metallic gray?). Again, a personal opinion but the curved design of the iPhone 3G feels much better if compared to the boxy iPhone 4. The glass and metal is really adding weigh. Let's also keep in mind that if we look at buying habits, the durability factor probably should not outweigh the lightness factor IMHO.
People trade in their phones usually after their contract expires and often, they purchase a case for extra protection anyways.
I agree with you that the 3G/3GS felt really wonderful in the hand. The iPhone 4 is a far more beautiful object but I don't think it feels nearly so nice to hold.
You're right about durability. Phones only ever stay with most of us for 2 years max but it's more than durability. I get a real kick out of having such a well-made thing. It adds to the joy of ownership, just like my unibody MacBook.
Android and iPhone do not compete on the same market.
Android gains in:
1) people with not enough money to buy an iPhone
2) people who don't care about smartphones and apps, and just get what the clerk at the telco store gives them.
3) cheapos
4) OSS "Libre" freaks
5) Tinkerers
6) Anti-apple contrarians
Now, (1), (2) and (3) are a huge market, but not exactly luxurious or desirable.
(4),(5),(6) are insignificant.
It's like in the desktop: PCs for the masses and that 0.5-1 % of Linux desktops, and Macs for the high end, high margin buyers.
That's how Apple has 10-12% market share in the desktop but the MOST profits than any other company, and that's why Dell is falling apart.
Oh, and Google is even in worse place than Dell. At least Dell sells it's hardware. Google just gives Android for free, with minuscule returns from ads viewed on the devices...
Oh man, I forgot how painful it is to read these forums. A bunch of 12 year old fanboys rabidly defending apple products with no sense or logic.
I've been browsing some 'real' forums for a while now, and coming back here makes me loose faith in humanity for how much blatant stupidity is flying around.
Then, please feel free to go away, and allow us to wallow in our stupidity....
Bye.
Someone came out with something more than equivalent (and in some ways superior) months ago. The phone coming out on October 11th will trump the iPhone 4S in every way, including screen res (1280x720).
This is why analysts are disappointed. The iPhone 4S is not going to be the class leader like all other iPhones were, by a good margin. It's starting out behind.
Superior only in some hardware specs. Which DON'T MATTER.
People didn't buy Archos mp3 player+fm stereo+coffee maker+games console+hand sanitizer devices. They bought the iPod which did what it did, elegantly, more user friendly and with attention to detail.
Less is more.
For example, even the higher screen resolution mentioned on that "October 11th phone" is a disadvantage for MULTIPLE reasons:
1) Android graphic pipeline was not really designed for speed. It even lags in scrolling content. Higher res screen = worse performance.
2) Android does not have just one or two resolutions. There are all kinds of devices. So most apps will cater to the most common denominator and look like crap in the high res screen compared to the native controls. Apps cannot be just doubled here (as from iPhone 3 to iPhone 4), so their controls will look either fuzzy (zoomed in), or tiny (same dimensions, higher screen dpi).
Says you. I mean, how can you stand to drive the same car for years? How can you walk into your kitchen and look at the same refrigerator/stove/microwave year after year after year???
Maybe you should have asked: how can you stand buying the same looking car?
Then you would have made the same point that I was making
hey...i'm upgrading, because it is a huge upgrade....i feel the form factor of the ip4 is near perfect
improved speed, ram, gpu, much better video and camera---siri is world changing
and its not this big ol brick like some of those big screen
and i'm upgrading getting two ASAP
my only question buy from apple or att how do i get it first
already ordered my otterbox cases....wish they had more bright colors but hey
better than the ip4 launch....couldn't get quality cases for a long time
i'm in....200%
So if you think this was a disappointment, imagine what the reaction would have been to a new nano with a wristwatch face and nothing else would have been like.
Who cares about 4G speeds? Remember you're still limited (most of us) to 2GB. All 4G will do is help you burn through that in a week.
You are not limited to 2GB. If you use it all, you get more for an additional $10.
The only reason people are disappointed is because Apple didn't introduce this 'rumored' super thin handset and b/c the iPhone 4S "looks like" the same iPhone 4. Had Apple introduced this phone in a new shell design with the same specs, I have a feeling everyone would be raving about it. Because it looks the same people only seem to see an "update" rather than a total new phone.
Of course I'm an Apple user and therefore in the eyes of Apple-haters I just another guy drinking the Apple-flavored koolaid - in their eyes Apple's success is all marketing and zero substance - which is ridiculous.
Personally, I have an iPhone 3GS and while I'd love to have a new model, the truth is that it's still adequate for my needs and I don't want to part with another 3-4 hundred dollars. That being said, I'm very interested in Siri and if the real-world reviews live up to what seems to be the case, well, it's going to be hard to keep my you-don't-need-it-discipline going.
There does seem to be quite a bit of disappointment over this, I know that three of my friends will not be upgrading based on the announcement.
Had Apple released the iPhone 4S back in June not many people I know would have complained, but to be 4 months later than usual and then show off a "S" model....... Well what did Apple expect? They screwed up plain & simple.
Still, as a 3GS owner it's good enough for me so I'll be pre ordering on Friday.
You do see the hypocrisy of your comment, right? You are also buyer of an iPhone that has an 'S' appended to the model name of the previous generation. A model that outsold the iPhone 3G that came before it.
Based on the continued record sales of the iPhone 4 over the last 16 months and new internals of the new iPhone 4S I'll bet anyone that will sell more units than it has previously.
PS: Why is there an expectation for a phone to be completely alter its casing with a radical new design every year? They didn't with the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS so why are so many feeling it's unexpected, or a slap in the face. More importantly, why do people care about the appearance being radically different if the internals are upgraded to make your experience better?
Here's what I find more often than not. Most people want an iPhone, but of those, most don't want to pay for it and opt for a cheaper Android model. Some people are particular about features that just aren't available on the iPhone, regardless of how practical those features are. There are some limitations associated with the iPhone, but my guess is that only a tiny percentage of the market are technical enough to know not only what they are, but want/need those missing features. And some people just hate Apple.
The only reason people are disappointed is because Apple didn't introduce this 'rumored' super thin handset and b/c the iPhone 4S "looks like" the same iPhone 4. Had Apple introduced this phone in a new shell design with the same specs, I have a feeling everyone would be raving about it. Because it looks the same people only seem to see an "update" rather than a total new phone.
Of course I'm an Apple user and therefore in the eyes of Apple-haters I just another guy drinking the Apple-flavored koolaid - in their eyes Apple's success is all marketing and zero substance - which is ridiculous.
Personally, I have an iPhone 3GS and while I'd love to have a new model, the truth is that it's still adequate for my needs and I don't want to part with another 3-4 hundred dollars. That being said, I'm very interested in Siri and if the real-world reviews live up to what seems to be the case, well, it's going to be hard to keep my you-don't-need-it-discipline going.
So let me get this straight...people buy Android because they are cheap or broke correct?
Yet you won't update your 3GS because of money?
So which is it, are you cheap? or broke? if so why aren't you on Android?
Did...did you defeat your own argument?