That's weird because we always think of a Mac as a Fisher Price toy for people who know nothing about computers. If Apple put their logo on a piece of dog do-do and sold it for $300 you'd all buy it. Then take it to the nearest Starbucks to try and show it off.
How many of you guys have actually held and used a windows mobile 7.5 (mango) phone? Tons of the comments here are just fanboyish drivel. if apple released a pile of crap, you would find some justification for why your pile of crap is suddenly the exact thing you want! think a little bit about your thinking before you continue living your life as an apple tool.
That being said, I use an iphone 4s now (upgraded from a 3gs), and I think mango has a lot of potential. I used one in-store on an older HTC model, and it was still very responsive and the browser was very, very quick. I daresay that the interface performed far better than the samsung galaxy SII that was next to it. In my mind, as others have stated in this thread, android has a lot to fear from this OS. I personally love the livetiles (iOS notifications are still crap....), there isn't a legal minefield surrounding the OS, and MS is bringing some fresh ideas to the table. This is exactly the kind of competition we want in this industry.
I've also heard it said that mango does to iOS what apple usually does to its competitors, and IMO, mango does make iOS look long in the tooth. I'm planning to hang onto my 4s for 6 months-1 year, and if the app ecosystem in the windows space improves, I'll make the jump and try out a windows phone.
That's weird because we always think of a Mac as a Fisher Price toy for people who know nothing about computers. If Apple put their logo on a piece of dog do-do and sold it for $300 you'd all buy it. Then take it to the nearest Starbucks to try and show it off.
iSheep....
PlaySkool toy... not Fisher Price. Get your trolling straight!
How many of you guys have actually held and used a windows mobile 7.5 (mango) phone? Tons of the comments here are just fanboyish drivel. if apple released a pile of crap, you would find some justification for why your pile of crap is suddenly the exact thing you want! think a little bit about your thinking before you continue living your life as an apple tool.
That being said, I use an iphone 4s now (upgraded from a 3gs), and I think mango has a lot of potential. I used one in-store on an older HTC model, and it was still very responsive and the browser was very, very quick. I daresay that the interface performed far better than the samsung galaxy SII that was next to it. In my mind, as others have stated in this thread, android has a lot to fear from this OS. I personally love the livetiles (iOS notifications are still crap....), there isn't a legal minefield surrounding the OS, and MS is bringing some fresh ideas to the table. This is exactly the kind of competition we want in this industry.
I've also heard it said that mango does to iOS what apple usually does to its competitors, and IMO, mango does make iOS look long in the tooth. I'm planning to hang onto my 4s for 6 months-1 year, and if the app ecosystem in the windows space improves, I'll make the jump and try out a windows phone.
I think the sentiment toward Windows Phone on these boards is overwhelmingly positive... when you consider where you are.
For a die hard Apple fan to look at a product from Microsoft of all companies and say "you know what, it's not that bad" is a big deal
I'd love to know if Apple ceased to exist tomorrow, which smartphone the people on this board would choose.
I think you would find most would end up with a Windows Phone... and probably with the Lumina 800.
Android is eating your lunch Microsoft, not iPhone.
And how's that?
If nothing else, I'd say they all compete for the same market, a.k.a. the mankind. But MS is making money of Android sales, so in a way they suffer more (financially) from every iPhone sold than from every Android phone sold.
What's obvious is you don't know your ass from a hole in the wall.
Microsoft was slow out of the gate watching and waiting like a predator. They "were" the only game in the smartphone market for years. Then iOS happened which took the smartphone market in a completely new direction. A direction Microsoft wasn't prepared for. 5 years later they have deployed Windows Phone 7.5 Mango (a great but young mobile OS)and have essentially purchased a phone manufacturer (Nokia). Over the next 12 months we're going to see a "sleeping giant" enter the mobile phone arena.
iOS and Android have a lot to fear.
I don't think any of them will achieve Widows - or iPod - market dominance, but I do think they will all end up successful.
Re WP7, Nokia is still recognised brand among consumers, and MS can do a lot of good stuff on corporate side of the market, so I'm reasonably sure they will not fade away. But I'm not expecting explosion either - rather (initially) slow but steady growth over next few years.
I still do not understand how the Nokia cloner Windows Phone is different from any of the other cloner Windows Phones. Same fugly, unusable OS with text scrolling off to the right all over the place. Same crappy Zune services. Locked to the proprietary Microsoft Windows platform. Locked to the crappy BING services.
How is the Nokia cloner Windows Phone going to all of a sudden get people to look past all the failings of Windows Phone and start buying? Makes no sense. People already rejected Windows Phone from all the other cloners.
Have you actually tried the phone and the new version of the Windows OS?
Tip: Open App Store from the dock of your OSX machine and search for 'Windows Phone 7 connector'. Look shocked and amazed as you find out that WP7 isn't locked to the Windows platform.
Add to that right now Live services (Hotmail, skydrive, Windows Phone 7, Office on the PC and Mac with skydrive connectors built in, Office Web Apps, mesh etc) is better than iCloud.
My sister has a Windows Phone, with 7.5 and she can open documents and photos off her skydrive on her phone....in mobile versions of Office 2010. She can send out links from her phone to photos she just shared on skydrive via her phone...sort of like Mobile Me gallery....oh wait that is gone.
I think the sentiment toward Windows Phone on these boards is overwhelmingly positive... when you consider where you are.
For a die hard Apple fan to look at a product from Microsoft of all companies and say "you know what, it's not that bad" is a big deal
I'd love to know if Apple ceased to exist tomorrow, which smartphone the people on this board would choose.
I think you would find most would end up with a Windows Phone... and probably with the Lumina 800.
I fully agree. Windows Phone is way more like the iPhone with its fuller range of services, controlled market place and consistency across devices. Android is a crazy mess that I would never touch.
Microsoft is indeed a company shaped to address corporate needs, not consumer market expectations. Corporate people hate innovation, because it makes their investments obsolete. Consumer markets enjoy innovation.
Ok, I understand your arguments. But consider that if it takes forcing the Metro UI on desktops to get people to accept it on WP7, then I believe it's a sign that Metro is still unnatural, awkward, or unappealing (or all of the above). Consider that iPhone OS (when it was unveiled in 2007) neither looks nor acts like any desktop OS, and yet it still succeeded. Apple didn't have to put iOS UI on the desktops of "a billion people" in order to convince them to buy an iPhone. If Microsoft has to do that to get WP7 selling, then I argue that Metro is already a failure: it isn't compelling enough to make people switch to WP7. That's not my opinion, but rather my reasoning, which you are welcome to point out the flaws in, if you think I don't get it.
iOS didn't have to go on a desktop but iOS's home screen is the same as the menu on every popular phone for the 4 years before it, with the only difference that you touch the icons rather than select them with buttons.
The most common comment against WP7 I've seen in this discussion is that WP7's home screen has big ugly buttons. But I think that's more because people arn't used to information being on the home screen icon rather than just in the app. If the buttons were any smaller you wouldn't be able to read them! For instance I have a WP7 phone and currently my home screen tells me, calander appointments for today and tomorrow, the weather, current stock prices for BP and percentage change, number of new artices in my RSS app, latest headline from the technology section of the guardian, latest headline from bbc news and how many new emails I have.
Once people are used to having live tiles on there PC, there's a good chance rather than seeing big ugly buttons on WP7 they'll understand what they are.
iOS didn't have to go on a desktop but iOS's home screen is the same as the menu on every popular phone for the 4 years before it, with the only difference that you touch the icons rather than select them with buttons.
The most common comment against WP7 I've seen in this discussion is that WP7's home screen has big ugly buttons. But I think that's more because people arn't used to information being on the home screen icon rather than just in the app. If the buttons were any smaller you wouldn't be able to read them! For instance I have a WP7 phone and currently my home screen tells me, calander appointments for today and tomorrow, the weather, current stock prices for BP and percentage change, number of new artices in my RSS app, latest headline from the technology section of the guardian, latest headline from bbc news and how many new emails I have.
Once people are used to having live tiles on there PC, there's a good chance rather than seeing big ugly buttons on WP7 they'll understand what they are.
That is a pretty good answer, thanks!
Basically, what you're saying is that one has to use WP7 to get it. That I understand. While I can't say I "get WP7" because I haven't used it, I do know that a lot of people didn't "get" the iPad (giant iPod Touch) until they got their hands on one, used it, and made that intuitive mental leap about its utility. Perhaps the same will happen with Metro.
That's weird because we always think of a Mac as a Fisher Price toy for people who know nothing about computers. If Apple put their logo on a piece of dog do-do and sold it for $300 you'd all buy it. Then take it to the nearest Starbucks to try and show it off.
iSheep....
i used to react like this. then i narrowed it down. it wasn't the products that i didn't like/respect, it was the way apple walled everything off and the closed source tactics that piss me off. i have mellowed since steve died and hope that apple will loosen the screws a tiny bit. apple does make computer devices designed not just with ease of use but to be the most usable. i think they have succeeded. OS X is as deep as you wanna go technically. you can be a child and use it or you can be a geek and dig into it. either way you get far more benefit from that than wasting your time/life and money on anything running microsh*t software.
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Yeah, except for the whole click wheel, size, screen size, camera, materials, and USB port thing.
Not even close to similar.
Still on the trolling kick, are you? Can't seem to shake it, can you?
Err... perhaps you haven't been following MS in the news:
Microsoft kills Zune player
Zune HD the PMP. Zune the media player application. Zune the marketplace.
Only the hardware player was EOL'd. The Zune marketplace (that a_greer was referring to) is still alive and well.
It's like if Apple EOL'd the iPod Touch. The iTunes application and iTunes store would still be available for other products in the Apple ecosystem.
That's weird because we always think of a Mac as a Fisher Price toy for people who know nothing about computers. If Apple put their logo on a piece of dog do-do and sold it for $300 you'd all buy it. Then take it to the nearest Starbucks to try and show it off.
iSheep....
iBahhhhhhhhhhhh...
That being said, I use an iphone 4s now (upgraded from a 3gs), and I think mango has a lot of potential. I used one in-store on an older HTC model, and it was still very responsive and the browser was very, very quick. I daresay that the interface performed far better than the samsung galaxy SII that was next to it. In my mind, as others have stated in this thread, android has a lot to fear from this OS. I personally love the livetiles (iOS notifications are still crap....), there isn't a legal minefield surrounding the OS, and MS is bringing some fresh ideas to the table. This is exactly the kind of competition we want in this industry.
I've also heard it said that mango does to iOS what apple usually does to its competitors, and IMO, mango does make iOS look long in the tooth. I'm planning to hang onto my 4s for 6 months-1 year, and if the app ecosystem in the windows space improves, I'll make the jump and try out a windows phone.
That's weird because we always think of a Mac as a Fisher Price toy for people who know nothing about computers. If Apple put their logo on a piece of dog do-do and sold it for $300 you'd all buy it. Then take it to the nearest Starbucks to try and show it off.
iSheep....
PlaySkool toy... not Fisher Price. Get your trolling straight!
How many of you guys have actually held and used a windows mobile 7.5 (mango) phone? Tons of the comments here are just fanboyish drivel. if apple released a pile of crap, you would find some justification for why your pile of crap is suddenly the exact thing you want! think a little bit about your thinking before you continue living your life as an apple tool.
That being said, I use an iphone 4s now (upgraded from a 3gs), and I think mango has a lot of potential. I used one in-store on an older HTC model, and it was still very responsive and the browser was very, very quick. I daresay that the interface performed far better than the samsung galaxy SII that was next to it. In my mind, as others have stated in this thread, android has a lot to fear from this OS. I personally love the livetiles (iOS notifications are still crap....), there isn't a legal minefield surrounding the OS, and MS is bringing some fresh ideas to the table. This is exactly the kind of competition we want in this industry.
I've also heard it said that mango does to iOS what apple usually does to its competitors, and IMO, mango does make iOS look long in the tooth. I'm planning to hang onto my 4s for 6 months-1 year, and if the app ecosystem in the windows space improves, I'll make the jump and try out a windows phone.
I think the sentiment toward Windows Phone on these boards is overwhelmingly positive... when you consider where you are.
For a die hard Apple fan to look at a product from Microsoft of all companies and say "you know what, it's not that bad" is a big deal
I'd love to know if Apple ceased to exist tomorrow, which smartphone the people on this board would choose.
I think you would find most would end up with a Windows Phone... and probably with the Lumina 800.
To take on Android, would be more appropriate.
Android is eating your lunch Microsoft, not iPhone.
And how's that?
If nothing else, I'd say they all compete for the same market, a.k.a. the mankind. But MS is making money of Android sales, so in a way they suffer more (financially) from every iPhone sold than from every Android phone sold.
What's obvious is you don't know your ass from a hole in the wall.
Microsoft was slow out of the gate watching and waiting like a predator. They "were" the only game in the smartphone market for years. Then iOS happened which took the smartphone market in a completely new direction. A direction Microsoft wasn't prepared for. 5 years later they have deployed Windows Phone 7.5 Mango (a great but young mobile OS)and have essentially purchased a phone manufacturer (Nokia). Over the next 12 months we're going to see a "sleeping giant" enter the mobile phone arena.
iOS and Android have a lot to fear.
I don't think any of them will achieve Widows - or iPod - market dominance, but I do think they will all end up successful.
Re WP7, Nokia is still recognised brand among consumers, and MS can do a lot of good stuff on corporate side of the market, so I'm reasonably sure they will not fade away. But I'm not expecting explosion either - rather (initially) slow but steady growth over next few years.
The? case? Do you really not see it?
Does it look like iPhone case?
PlaySkool toy... not Fisher Price. Get your trolling straight!
Actually both are correct, both companies make children's toys
Zune HD the PMP. Zune the media player application. Zune the marketplace.
Only the hardware player was EOL'd. The Zune marketplace (that a_greer was referring to) is still alive and well.
It's like if Apple EOL'd the iPod Touch. The iTunes application and iTunes store would still be available for other products in the Apple ecosystem.
Thx... got it!
800 (ie, windows version of N9) is a much more interesting product and should be the real test of Windows, if they can get the apps.
Good Luck, old friend, you need it.
I still do not understand how the Nokia cloner Windows Phone is different from any of the other cloner Windows Phones. Same fugly, unusable OS with text scrolling off to the right all over the place. Same crappy Zune services. Locked to the proprietary Microsoft Windows platform. Locked to the crappy BING services.
How is the Nokia cloner Windows Phone going to all of a sudden get people to look past all the failings of Windows Phone and start buying? Makes no sense. People already rejected Windows Phone from all the other cloners.
Have you actually tried the phone and the new version of the Windows OS?
Tip: Open App Store from the dock of your OSX machine and search for 'Windows Phone 7 connector'. Look shocked and amazed as you find out that WP7 isn't locked to the Windows platform.
Add to that right now Live services (Hotmail, skydrive, Windows Phone 7, Office on the PC and Mac with skydrive connectors built in, Office Web Apps, mesh etc) is better than iCloud.
My sister has a Windows Phone, with 7.5 and she can open documents and photos off her skydrive on her phone....in mobile versions of Office 2010. She can send out links from her phone to photos she just shared on skydrive via her phone...sort of like Mobile Me gallery....oh wait that is gone.
I think the sentiment toward Windows Phone on these boards is overwhelmingly positive... when you consider where you are.
For a die hard Apple fan to look at a product from Microsoft of all companies and say "you know what, it's not that bad" is a big deal
I'd love to know if Apple ceased to exist tomorrow, which smartphone the people on this board would choose.
I think you would find most would end up with a Windows Phone... and probably with the Lumina 800.
I fully agree. Windows Phone is way more like the iPhone with its fuller range of services, controlled market place and consistency across devices. Android is a crazy mess that I would never touch.
Why?
:filler:
Apple has cross licensing deals with Microsoft and Nokia, I think.
Ok, I understand your arguments. But consider that if it takes forcing the Metro UI on desktops to get people to accept it on WP7, then I believe it's a sign that Metro is still unnatural, awkward, or unappealing (or all of the above). Consider that iPhone OS (when it was unveiled in 2007) neither looks nor acts like any desktop OS, and yet it still succeeded. Apple didn't have to put iOS UI on the desktops of "a billion people" in order to convince them to buy an iPhone. If Microsoft has to do that to get WP7 selling, then I argue that Metro is already a failure: it isn't compelling enough to make people switch to WP7. That's not my opinion, but rather my reasoning, which you are welcome to point out the flaws in, if you think I don't get it.
iOS didn't have to go on a desktop but iOS's home screen is the same as the menu on every popular phone for the 4 years before it, with the only difference that you touch the icons rather than select them with buttons.
The most common comment against WP7 I've seen in this discussion is that WP7's home screen has big ugly buttons. But I think that's more because people arn't used to information being on the home screen icon rather than just in the app. If the buttons were any smaller you wouldn't be able to read them! For instance I have a WP7 phone and currently my home screen tells me, calander appointments for today and tomorrow, the weather, current stock prices for BP and percentage change, number of new artices in my RSS app, latest headline from the technology section of the guardian, latest headline from bbc news and how many new emails I have.
Once people are used to having live tiles on there PC, there's a good chance rather than seeing big ugly buttons on WP7 they'll understand what they are.
iOS didn't have to go on a desktop but iOS's home screen is the same as the menu on every popular phone for the 4 years before it, with the only difference that you touch the icons rather than select them with buttons.
The most common comment against WP7 I've seen in this discussion is that WP7's home screen has big ugly buttons. But I think that's more because people arn't used to information being on the home screen icon rather than just in the app. If the buttons were any smaller you wouldn't be able to read them! For instance I have a WP7 phone and currently my home screen tells me, calander appointments for today and tomorrow, the weather, current stock prices for BP and percentage change, number of new artices in my RSS app, latest headline from the technology section of the guardian, latest headline from bbc news and how many new emails I have.
Once people are used to having live tiles on there PC, there's a good chance rather than seeing big ugly buttons on WP7 they'll understand what they are.
That is a pretty good answer, thanks!
Basically, what you're saying is that one has to use WP7 to get it. That I understand. While I can't say I "get WP7" because I haven't used it, I do know that a lot of people didn't "get" the iPad (giant iPod Touch) until they got their hands on one, used it, and made that intuitive mental leap about its utility. Perhaps the same will happen with Metro.
That's weird because we always think of a Mac as a Fisher Price toy for people who know nothing about computers. If Apple put their logo on a piece of dog do-do and sold it for $300 you'd all buy it. Then take it to the nearest Starbucks to try and show it off.
iSheep....
i used to react like this. then i narrowed it down. it wasn't the products that i didn't like/respect, it was the way apple walled everything off and the closed source tactics that piss me off. i have mellowed since steve died and hope that apple will loosen the screws a tiny bit. apple does make computer devices designed not just with ease of use but to be the most usable. i think they have succeeded. OS X is as deep as you wanna go technically. you can be a child and use it or you can be a geek and dig into it. either way you get far more benefit from that than wasting your time/life and money on anything running microsh*t software.