Nice work on the curved glass, too bad it's shaped the wrong way. The curve should follow the face. This is curved so that holding it to the face, the glass will hit the jaw bone, which will probably be annoying ? whaawhaa
Sprint charges $10 a month for 4G services - even if you don't have access to a 4G cell. And 4G services suck battery life like nobody's business. And yet, you can't turn it off. So yes, while nobody will ever sell a 4G-only phone (No 3G fallback), you may be forced into 4G land whether you like it or not. Hopefully, the next generation of chips will be a little better.
Sorry, no context. He was saying that in the future, there would only be cell Internet service and absolutely no wired home ISPs (in addition to what I've already said), which is nonsense.
Nice work on the curved glass, too bad it's shaped the wrong way. The curve should follow the face. This is curved so that holding it to the face, the glass will hit the jaw bone, which will probably be annoying ? whaawhaa
Perhaps the glass is curved to reflect light away from the surface - to prevent glare. Not to curve around your face.
Nice work on the curved glass, too bad it's shaped the wrong way. The curve should follow the face. This is curved so that holding it to the face, the glass will hit the jaw bone, which will probably be annoying ? whaawhaa
Sorry, no context. He was saying that in the future, there would only be cell Internet service and absolutely no wired home ISPs (in addition to what I've already said), which is nonsense.
Apple makes the macbook pro in 3 sizes and the macbook air in two sizes, and has just recently discontinued the macbook plastic. not to mention the iPod: Touch, Nano, Shuffle, and Classic.
Apple is a great company that makes what sells, and there is definitely a market for huge 4.5"+ screen phones as well as super small phones.
I don't agree about a bigger iPhone with a bigger screen -- a larger edge-to-edge display (same aspect ratio) on the same size device would be OK though.
I find that I carry my iPad with me almost everywhere -- and much prefer using it than the iPhone (except for Siri).
As to "Apple is a great company that makes what sells"... I agree, but it is more than that -- Apple often creates the market for what sells.
I don't agree about a bigger iPhone with a bigger screen -- a larger edge-to-edge display (same aspect ratio) on the same size device would be OK though.
I'll disagree with the smaller phone. The HP Veer was quite capable, yet widely panned for it's small size. Very hard to use your big fingers on that very small screen. And for some reason, people aren't willing to pay the same price for a small phone that they will for a large phone - even if the both have equivalent functionality. Something about our culture I guess.
So we've negative opinions about both too-big and too-small. Perhaps the current iPhone hit the sweet spot.
If anybody has anything to fear it is Android. Android manufacturers are undoubtedly keeping their options open. Right now they already pay Microsoft for Android patents as they would for licensing Windows Mobile. Moreover, unlike Android, Microsoft protects them from Patent suits.
With Oracle and Apple breathing down Android's neck, it is hard to see it being attractive long term. If I had to get a non-Apple phone, I would go Windows Mobile.
Because a billion people will eventually upgrade to Windows 8. Windows is the world wide desktop standard. Users will come face-to-face with the new Metro interface. Eventually, they will become comfortable with it. Seeing that same interface on a phone may appeal to them. They'll realize they already know quite a bit about how to use it and what it's capable of.
How can you be so sure that a billion windows users will upgrade to Windows 8?
Why?
Will they have machines powerful enough to run Windows 8?
Aren't there still a lot of Windows XP installations -- if they aren't upgrading to Windows 7, why do you feel that they will upgrade to Windows 8?
Isn't one of the advertised features of Windows 8 on the desktop -- that you can disable the Metro interface if it "gets in the way"?
I am not so sure that an OS to be released a year from now (if on time), will have a dramatic influence on the tablets and smart phones sold for the next 2 years.
In addition, the ARM Windows 8 tablets will not be able to run any existing Windows desktop apps -- they will have to be rewritten to run on Windows 8 ARM and include a touch UI.
I think MS is hoping/depending that Intel will release a low-power x86 chip that is ARM competitive -- in the 2013-2014 time frame... iffy, at best!
If the above statements are factual, MS may not have enough time to penetrate the tablet market in any meaningful way.
To me. that means that, likely, Windows Phone 7, OS and handsets, will succeed, fail or be marginal -- on their own merit. Pretty much, what we see today, is what they'll have to offer for the next 18-24 months.
If anybody has anything to fear it is Android. Android manufacturers are undoubtedly keeping their options open. Right now they already pay Microsoft for Android patents as they would for licensing Windows Mobile. Moreover, unlike Android, Microsoft protects them from Patent suits.
With Oracle and Apple breathing down Android's neck, it is hard to see it being attractive long term. If I had to get a non-Apple phone, I would go Windows Mobile.
Ya' know, that's a very good point!
The fact that Android is becoming less appealing as a platform on which the device manufacturers can make business decisions...
This could give Windows Phone 7 room to succeed in the smartphone space...
Couple that with the fact that MS has some negotiating power -- since more than half of the Android handset manufacturers are paying MS for licenses to use Android OS.
MS could pay major developers to port their apps to WP7 and flesh out a pretty big app portfolio within 6-12 months.
MS could "convince" smartphone manufacturers to redirect their primary efforts to produce WP7 devices instead of Android devices -- and indemnify them against any patent lawsuits.
Hmm...
In a response to an earlier post, I said that WP7 would, likely have to succeed, fail or be magrinal on its own merits.
I hadn't considered the diminution of Android...
Now, this sounds like the MS we've all grown to know and love/hate/fear!
Damn straight. The Lumia 800 is targeting the low/mid budget and the Lumia 710 is very much low budget.
If you look at German pricing for the Lumia's and iPhones...
Nokia Lumia 800 420 ? ($584 USD)
Nokia Lumia 710 270 ? ($375 USD)
iPhone 3GS 8GB 369 ? ($513 USD)
iPhone 4 8GB 519 ? ($722 USD)
iPhone 4S 16GB 629 ? ($874 USD)
The Lumia 800 is actually priced closer to an iPhone 8GB 3GS than it is to an iPhone 4 8GB and the Lumia 710 is in another budget price bracket all of its own.
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Originally Posted by solipsism
It's 420? which is $584. That's below, but in the range of the iPhone 4S, not the iPhone 3GS.
I was basing my comparison on the post by Firefly quoted above. I don't know the corresponding unsubsidized prices for the USA, those could be different.
I was basing my comparison on the post by Firefly quoted above. I don't know the corresponding unsubsidized prices for the USA, those could be different.
Yeah, my value of the iPhone 4S doesn't include the taxes for the US market while I'm sure the Euro-based price does include the VAT.
How can you be so sure that a billion windows users will upgrade to Windows 8?
Why?
Will they have machines powerful enough to run Windows 8?
Aren't there still a lot of Windows XP installations -- if they aren't upgrading to Windows 7, why do you feel that they will upgrade to Windows 8?
Isn't one of the advertised features of Windows 8 on the desktop -- that you can disable the Metro interface if it "gets in the way"?
I am not so sure that an OS to be released a year from now (if on time), will have a dramatic influence on the tablets and smart phones sold for the next 2 years.
In addition, the ARM Windows 8 tablets will not be able to run any existing Windows desktop apps -- they will have to be rewritten to run on Windows 8 ARM and include a touch UI.
I think MS is hoping/depending that Intel will release a low-power x86 chip that is ARM competitive -- in the 2013-2014 time frame... iffy, at best!
If the above statements are factual, MS may not have enough time to penetrate the tablet market in any meaningful way.
To me. that means that, likely, Windows Phone 7, OS and handsets, will succeed, fail or be marginal -- on their own merit. Pretty much, what we see today, is what they'll have to offer for the next 18-24 months.
Where am I wrong?
You do make some good points.
I believe Microsoft has already stated that you won't be able to bypass the new Start screen. Not even for business use. Stay tuned to see if they back down. And yep, I agree that future Windows 8 tablets will probably not support legacy apps. Not sure if that matters to desktop users - who will still make up the majority of users. I believe they've also stated that the hardware requirements for Windows 8 will be less than for 7.
All of the scenarios you describe are also great users of battery capacity. This is a mobile device with limited capabilities. Everything is a compromise to battery life.
Certainly games would be better satisfied with a separate GPU, rather than a multi-core CPU. Siri would probably work on an iPhone 4 just fine. Certainly the original app ran well on the single core iPhone 4. I think Apple is restricting it to the iPhone 4S as an incentive to upgrade and nothing else. Video teleconferencing? Really? I've not heard of anybody actually using Apple's FaceTime. A front-facing camera just seems like another checklist item rather than a real usable feature. As to the low-resolution screen, it's a resolution specified by Microsoft. I don't think it's particularly low-res. And having a single resolution size makes programming much easier. Android programmers have to contend with dozens of different screen sizes. What a pain. I like having the screen size controlled by Microsoft. Finally, your concerns about multitasking. First thing to note is that Microsoft will never allow complete, true multitasking - that is allowing background apps to do whatever they dang well please. There will always be a limited subset of functions allowed. And they will be prioritized. There's no way an incoming phone call would be dropped because the phone was too busy playing music in the background. The music app would simply be suspended.
Right, for the most I could agree, but dual core would ensure a responsive UI even without having to limit your use of the device. Just saying that the user doesn't need to use the apps doesn't cut it.
As to battery life, faster devices get their tasks completed in smaller amounts of time, and so they can leave the cpu/battery alone afterwards. That way, you always have the choice of increased productivity whenever you need it, and longer battery life at other times.
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Err... perhaps you haven't been following MS in the news:
Microsoft kills Zune player
They didn't kill it, Dick.
Uh, just a moment, yes they did...
Hold the phone... nope, Zune is still up and running...
Whoops... spoke to soon... looks like it is dead for sure...
[to be continued]
Sprint charges $10 a month for 4G services - even if you don't have access to a 4G cell. And 4G services suck battery life like nobody's business. And yet, you can't turn it off. So yes, while nobody will ever sell a 4G-only phone (No 3G fallback), you may be forced into 4G land whether you like it or not. Hopefully, the next generation of chips will be a little better.
Sorry, no context. He was saying that in the future, there would only be cell Internet service and absolutely no wired home ISPs (in addition to what I've already said), which is nonsense.
Nice work on the curved glass, too bad it's shaped the wrong way. The curve should follow the face. This is curved so that holding it to the face, the glass will hit the jaw bone, which will probably be annoying ? whaawhaa
Perhaps the glass is curved to reflect light away from the surface - to prevent glare. Not to curve around your face.
Nice work on the curved glass, too bad it's shaped the wrong way. The curve should follow the face. This is curved so that holding it to the face, the glass will hit the jaw bone, which will probably be annoying ? whaawhaa
So many dirty thoughts have come to my mind.
Sorry, no context. He was saying that in the future, there would only be cell Internet service and absolutely no wired home ISPs (in addition to what I've already said), which is nonsense.
Comcast will never have that.
Apple makes the macbook pro in 3 sizes and the macbook air in two sizes, and has just recently discontinued the macbook plastic. not to mention the iPod: Touch, Nano, Shuffle, and Classic.
Apple is a great company that makes what sells, and there is definitely a market for huge 4.5"+ screen phones as well as super small phones.
I don't agree about a bigger iPhone with a bigger screen -- a larger edge-to-edge display (same aspect ratio) on the same size device would be OK though.
I find that I carry my iPad with me almost everywhere -- and much prefer using it than the iPhone (except for Siri).
As to "Apple is a great company that makes what sells"... I agree, but it is more than that -- Apple often creates the market for what sells.
To paraphrase Steve's quote of Wayne Gretzky:
"Apple skates to where the $buck is going to be!"
So many dirty thoughts have come to my mind.
Linkgx1, meet the gutter. Gutter, meet linkgx1.
I don't agree about a bigger iPhone with a bigger screen -- a larger edge-to-edge display (same aspect ratio) on the same size device would be OK though.
I'll disagree with the smaller phone. The HP Veer was quite capable, yet widely panned for it's small size. Very hard to use your big fingers on that very small screen. And for some reason, people aren't willing to pay the same price for a small phone that they will for a large phone - even if the both have equivalent functionality. Something about our culture I guess.
So we've negative opinions about both too-big and too-small. Perhaps the current iPhone hit the sweet spot.
With Oracle and Apple breathing down Android's neck, it is hard to see it being attractive long term. If I had to get a non-Apple phone, I would go Windows Mobile.
iOS and Android have a lot to fear.
Mango must be insanely advanced to support F*book, by the way.
Because a billion people will eventually upgrade to Windows 8. Windows is the world wide desktop standard. Users will come face-to-face with the new Metro interface. Eventually, they will become comfortable with it. Seeing that same interface on a phone may appeal to them. They'll realize they already know quite a bit about how to use it and what it's capable of.
How can you be so sure that a billion windows users will upgrade to Windows 8?
Why?
Will they have machines powerful enough to run Windows 8?
Aren't there still a lot of Windows XP installations -- if they aren't upgrading to Windows 7, why do you feel that they will upgrade to Windows 8?
Isn't one of the advertised features of Windows 8 on the desktop -- that you can disable the Metro interface if it "gets in the way"?
I am not so sure that an OS to be released a year from now (if on time), will have a dramatic influence on the tablets and smart phones sold for the next 2 years.
In addition, the ARM Windows 8 tablets will not be able to run any existing Windows desktop apps -- they will have to be rewritten to run on Windows 8 ARM and include a touch UI.
I think MS is hoping/depending that Intel will release a low-power x86 chip that is ARM competitive -- in the 2013-2014 time frame... iffy, at best!
If the above statements are factual, MS may not have enough time to penetrate the tablet market in any meaningful way.
To me. that means that, likely, Windows Phone 7, OS and handsets, will succeed, fail or be marginal -- on their own merit. Pretty much, what we see today, is what they'll have to offer for the next 18-24 months.
Where am I wrong?
Linkgx1, meet the gutter. Gutter, meet linkgx1.
Hello gutter, how big is your hole? Have you gotten squirells through?
If anybody has anything to fear it is Android. Android manufacturers are undoubtedly keeping their options open. Right now they already pay Microsoft for Android patents as they would for licensing Windows Mobile. Moreover, unlike Android, Microsoft protects them from Patent suits.
With Oracle and Apple breathing down Android's neck, it is hard to see it being attractive long term. If I had to get a non-Apple phone, I would go Windows Mobile.
Ya' know, that's a very good point!
The fact that Android is becoming less appealing as a platform on which the device manufacturers can make business decisions...
This could give Windows Phone 7 room to succeed in the smartphone space...
Couple that with the fact that MS has some negotiating power -- since more than half of the Android handset manufacturers are paying MS for licenses to use Android OS.
MS could pay major developers to port their apps to WP7 and flesh out a pretty big app portfolio within 6-12 months.
MS could "convince" smartphone manufacturers to redirect their primary efforts to produce WP7 devices instead of Android devices -- and indemnify them against any patent lawsuits.
Hmm...
In a response to an earlier post, I said that WP7 would, likely have to succeed, fail or be magrinal on its own merits.
I hadn't considered the diminution of Android...
Now, this sounds like the MS we've all grown to know and love/hate/fear!
Bill... Bill... Is that you Bill?
The N9 is a beautiful phone, really well made. The Lumia 800 looks like it's essentially the same design.
If I was not an iPhone user I would SERIOUSLY consider this handset.
Might not get Americans excited, but Nokia is still talked about fondly here in the UK & Europe, people want them to succeed.
i like the look of the 800. if it wasn't running MS software i would consider it....
Damn straight. The Lumia 800 is targeting the low/mid budget and the Lumia 710 is very much low budget.
If you look at German pricing for the Lumia's and iPhones...
- Nokia Lumia 800 420 ? ($584 USD)
- Nokia Lumia 710 270 ? ($375 USD)
- iPhone 3GS 8GB 369 ? ($513 USD)
- iPhone 4 8GB 519 ? ($722 USD)
- iPhone 4S 16GB 629 ? ($874 USD)
The Lumia 800 is actually priced closer to an iPhone 8GB 3GS than it is to an iPhone 4 8GB and the Lumia 710 is in another budget price bracket all of its own.It's 420? which is $584. That's below, but in the range of the iPhone 4S, not the iPhone 3GS.
I was basing my comparison on the post by Firefly quoted above. I don't know the corresponding unsubsidized prices for the USA, those could be different.
I was basing my comparison on the post by Firefly quoted above. I don't know the corresponding unsubsidized prices for the USA, those could be different.
Yeah, my value of the iPhone 4S doesn't include the taxes for the US market while I'm sure the Euro-based price does include the VAT.
How can you be so sure that a billion windows users will upgrade to Windows 8?
Why?
Will they have machines powerful enough to run Windows 8?
Aren't there still a lot of Windows XP installations -- if they aren't upgrading to Windows 7, why do you feel that they will upgrade to Windows 8?
Isn't one of the advertised features of Windows 8 on the desktop -- that you can disable the Metro interface if it "gets in the way"?
I am not so sure that an OS to be released a year from now (if on time), will have a dramatic influence on the tablets and smart phones sold for the next 2 years.
In addition, the ARM Windows 8 tablets will not be able to run any existing Windows desktop apps -- they will have to be rewritten to run on Windows 8 ARM and include a touch UI.
I think MS is hoping/depending that Intel will release a low-power x86 chip that is ARM competitive -- in the 2013-2014 time frame... iffy, at best!
If the above statements are factual, MS may not have enough time to penetrate the tablet market in any meaningful way.
To me. that means that, likely, Windows Phone 7, OS and handsets, will succeed, fail or be marginal -- on their own merit. Pretty much, what we see today, is what they'll have to offer for the next 18-24 months.
Where am I wrong?
You do make some good points.
I believe Microsoft has already stated that you won't be able to bypass the new Start screen. Not even for business use. Stay tuned to see if they back down. And yep, I agree that future Windows 8 tablets will probably not support legacy apps. Not sure if that matters to desktop users - who will still make up the majority of users. I believe they've also stated that the hardware requirements for Windows 8 will be less than for 7.
So much in your post. Let me ramble for a bit...
All of the scenarios you describe are also great users of battery capacity. This is a mobile device with limited capabilities. Everything is a compromise to battery life.
Certainly games would be better satisfied with a separate GPU, rather than a multi-core CPU. Siri would probably work on an iPhone 4 just fine. Certainly the original app ran well on the single core iPhone 4. I think Apple is restricting it to the iPhone 4S as an incentive to upgrade and nothing else. Video teleconferencing? Really? I've not heard of anybody actually using Apple's FaceTime. A front-facing camera just seems like another checklist item rather than a real usable feature. As to the low-resolution screen, it's a resolution specified by Microsoft. I don't think it's particularly low-res. And having a single resolution size makes programming much easier. Android programmers have to contend with dozens of different screen sizes. What a pain. I like having the screen size controlled by Microsoft. Finally, your concerns about multitasking. First thing to note is that Microsoft will never allow complete, true multitasking - that is allowing background apps to do whatever they dang well please. There will always be a limited subset of functions allowed. And they will be prioritized. There's no way an incoming phone call would be dropped because the phone was too busy playing music in the background. The music app would simply be suspended.
Right, for the most I could agree, but dual core would ensure a responsive UI even without having to limit your use of the device. Just saying that the user doesn't need to use the apps doesn't cut it.
As to battery life, faster devices get their tasks completed in smaller amounts of time, and so they can leave the cpu/battery alone afterwards. That way, you always have the choice of increased productivity whenever you need it, and longer battery life at other times.