Google Chairman Eric tells US senators Apple's Siri could pose 'competitive threat'

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  • Reply 61 of 232
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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  • Reply 62 of 232
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    If Apple did search, I would probably use it because it would likely be ad free. I also would buy an Apple washer and dryer. Samsung seems to like copying LG in the washer and dryer markets; Sharp in the TV market; etc..



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    Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post


    isearch , if apple is going to enter the search business, it will take some time and i bet that you will only be able to do it in apple's products. spotlight is great, they can do it (with time). As time goes by and more people enter into apple's ecosystem (iPhone than a mac, iPad then a mac, iPhone iPad mac) it can really make apple a much bigger company (with isearch). they would really be fighting everywhere, with one little detail... what apple is doing is almost the same as ferrari outselling or fighting for sales directly mercedes, bmw, audi, fiat, using their own fuel, etc. do people realize how great this is?



    basically we are going to a strange place.. a place where when you buy a computer, tablet, smartphone tv etc, the real question won't be if that product comes from hp, samsung, dell, apple, sony etc.



    the real question will be: Apple (good, stylish, great) or not(meh)?



    p.s: waiting for apple to reinvent fridges, microwaves, and kick samsung's arse everywhere. lol



  • Reply 63 of 232
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by pedromartins View Post


    isearch , if apple is going to enter the search business, it will take some time and i bet that you will only be able to do it in apple's products. spotlight is great, they can do it (with time). As time goes by and more people enter into apple's ecosystem (iPhone than a mac, iPad then a mac, iPhone iPad mac) it can really make apple a much bigger company (with isearch). they would really be fighting everywhere, with one little detail... what apple is doing is almost the same as ferrari outselling or fighting for sales directly mercedes, bmw, audi, fiat, using their own fuel, etc. do people realize how great this is?



    basically we are going to a strange place.. a place where when you buy a computer, tablet, smartphone tv etc, the real question won't be if that product comes from hp, samsung, dell, apple, sony etc.



    the real question will be: Apple (good, stylish, great) or not(meh)?



    p.s: waiting for apple to reinvent fridges, microwaves, and kick samsung's arse everywhere. lol



    On your last point... It seems a no brainer to me that I'l be able to ask Siri one day to alter the AC setting in the house or ask her to turn the oven on as soon as I get a few miles from home etc ... Manufacturers of many appliances must be talking to Apple about integration ... you'd think.
  • Reply 64 of 232
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    On your last point... It seems a no brainer to me that I'l be able to ask Siri one day to alter the AC setting in the house or ask her to turn the oven on as soon as I get a few miles from home etc ... Manufacturers of many appliances must be talking to Apple about integration ... you'd think.



    Speaking of adjusting your home's thermostat…
    Ain't that just the coolest thing? I had once thought of getting into this business to make the home HVAC smarter and more energy efficient. I'd like to eventually see that homes that can control the vents to each room/quadrant so that rooms can be individually controlled without needing individual heating and A/C units, just individual system controls.





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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    On a related but tangential issue ... I use Google's pubic DNS in my home network, I set it up eons ago back when Google and Apple were best buddies and totally forgot till reading this thread about cutting off Google's tentacles. Is changing this a good idea and if so what's the best DNS to use these days?



    You're asking the wrong person on this one. I always assumed there were pros and cons with performance when using Google's DNS and that it would slow as more users hopped on board so I never tried it.
  • Reply 65 of 232
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,665member
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    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I still don't see any search results showing up in Siri's screen that are from Google, Bing, Yahoo! or any of the default search engines you choose for Safari. The only time that looks to come into play is when Siri can't parse the info from Yahoo! for weather, Wolfram-Alpha for calculations, or Yelp for reviews that it will then give you a way to search in Safari which will, of course, show ads as the search provider intends.



    Again, the only Google service I can find that Siri parses is Google Maps, but that's already a part of Maps in iOS, not something above and beyond the search the previous iPhones offered.



    On a related but tangential issue ... I use Google's pubic DNS in my home network, I set it up eons ago back when Google and Apple were best buddies and totally forgot till reading this thread about cutting off Google's tentacles. Is changing this a good idea and if so what's the best DNS to use these days?
  • Reply 66 of 232
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    Maybe if your statement didn't come across as crazy, fanatical ramblings of someone with a psychological disorder attaching themselves to a horrific event for some attention you would be taken more seriously when you've posted this same drivel for 4 years.



    If you were for real, had a case or anything that resembled a case that ties Schmidt to the unfortunate death of May Zhou I'd expect your lawyers and the authorities would have had you shut the fuck up about it in public.



    F*** words would make you look like a mindless streetboy who's runnig out of excuses. Spare you mental health cliche. Eric Schmidt and Sebastian Thrun's side had played this trick for many years. but in the end, they dare not deny these accusations to the public which had disgraced them in the public. My accusations stand still.



    This is a criminal case, which prosecutors from judicial authorities is taking care of, a lawywer would not have the authority to do it. Eric Schmidt and Sebastian Thrun's names are tied to May Zhou's case, and that's why they were desciplined and that's why he lost his CEO position. However, the case has far from being clarified. Eric Schmidt and Sebastian Thrun dare not deny my public challenges and they deserves more serious treatment. If you could ask anyone from judicial authorities who would responsibily say Eric Schmidt and Sebastian Thrun's names are clear in May Zhou's case, have them clearly state it to the public please.



    Threatening my life with May Zhou's case is not the only time Eric Schmidt threatened my life, he did similar thing when I file the case at California State Bar Court (INTAKE) in 2010. For that crime, Eric Schmidt lost his bid to come back to Google CEO position early this September. Go ask Eric Schmidt if this is real. Do you have more questions?
  • Reply 67 of 232
    Why is this news? Schmidt is talking to an anti-trust subcommittee in an attempt to convince them that Google is NOT a monopoly. Obviously his statements are going to be "Google is small, we're not that big". Well DUH! I hate this kind of "news" because it is not news!
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    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,665member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Speaking of adjusting your home's thermostat…
    Ain't that just the coolest thing? I had once thought of getting into this business to make the home HVAC smarter and more energy efficient. I'd like to eventually see that homes that can control the vents to each room/quadrant so that rooms can be individually controlled without needing individual heating and A/C units, just individual system controls.









    You're asking the wrong person on this one. I always assumed there were pros and cons with performance when using Google's DNS and that it would slow as more users hopped on board so I never tried it.



    I saw that a week or two ago ... very nice and yes there is more to it still to be done along the lines you mention. Rooms that are not used or allowing for the differentials in rooms due to sun exposure. One thermostat in one location cannot be the solution for an entire house. This company need to look at a network and as you say have room by room controls.



    I am thinking Google's free DNS has Machiavellian purposes now
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    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,665member
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    Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post


    Why is this news? Schmidt is talking to an anti-trust subcommittee in an attempt to convince them that Google is NOT a monopoly. Obviously his statements are going to be "Google is small, we're not that big". Well DUH! I hate this kind of "news" because it is not news!



    Obviously it is political posturing for Google's own and best interests. However, the cool thing for Apple is this adds news worthy marketing hype for Siri and kind of kicks the Fandroids, who claim it is a toy or they had it first, in the balls.
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    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post


    This company need to look at a network and as you say have room by room controls.



    They are networkable with WiFi. The only problem is the way homes are currently set up with HVAC usually only allowing for one thermostat (though sometimes two for homes that split HVAC into two handlers with common areas and bedrooms) unlike the more sophisticated systems found in large facilities.
  • Reply 72 of 232
    anonymouseanonymouse Posts: 6,846member
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    Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post


    ...The only thing [Google does] is create more products that compete in more markets and try and expand their business...



    Not unlike Apple. ...



    It's unlike Apple because Google uses its dominance (i.e., profits) in search to leverage itself into other markets by dumping (i.e., giving away for free) products in other markets to achieve dominance there as well. That's classic monopolistic behavior and not at all how Apple operates.
  • Reply 73 of 232
    Personally I think the Windows web browser monopoly accusations was just stupid. It should be a feature provided by the OS just like a file browser is a feature. When Windows first offered a file browser we didn't see other DOS file browser manufacturers winning lawsuits. Second, Microsoft never prevented other browsers from being installed. It mainly seemed like the under dog complaining because they couldn't build a better browser. Case in point, Google built a better browser and now they are making a serious dent in the IE market share.



    The one thing that Microsoft did justifiably get in trouble for, in the early days, was licensing Windows at a reduced price per all PCs sold rather per copy of Windows sold. Meaning that even if an OEM installed OS/2 instead of Windows, they had to pay both IBM and Microsoft for an OS license. It kept OS/2, Linux, and a few other emerging OSs from really breaking into the market. The alternative was to license Windows at twice the price which of course put an OEM at a competitive disadvantage with other Windows only OEMs.



    As for Google abusing monopoly power there hasn't been anything quite so obvious. The internet is an excellent equalizer in that it's simple for anyone else to compete if they have the brains to build something better.



    Google products could be looked at as one large computer program linked by a single user interface (ie. the main search engine). Claiming for example that another mapping site isn't making money because Google Maps takes all of their business would be like saying Microsoft can't build a spell checker into Office because it prevents stand alone spell checkers from competing.



    Just about every argument against Google seems to be along those lines.
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    maybe if your statement didn't come across as crazy, fanatical ramblings of someone with a psychological disorder attaching themselves to a horrific event for some attention you would be taken more seriously when you've posted this same drivel for 4 years.



    If you were for real, had a case or anything that resembled a case that ties schmidt to the unfortunate death of may zhou i'd expect your lawyers and the authorities would have had you shut the fuck up about it in public.



    nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Originally Posted by ascii View Post


    Is it illegal to win in the US now? What a strange place.



    Are you asking the android fans who keep talking about Apple's so-called tablet monopoly?
  • Reply 76 of 232
    stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
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    Originally Posted by zunx View Post


    Google promised Apple NOT to enter the phone business and Apple promised Google NOT to enter the search business.



    Google did not fulfill their promise. What is Google talking about now? They have what they deserve.



    Can you point us to the source documenting such promises?
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    stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    Speaking of adjusting your home's thermostat…
    Ain't that just the coolest thing? I had once thought of getting into this business to make the home HVAC smarter and more energy efficient. I'd like to eventually see that homes that can control the vents to each room/quadrant so that rooms can be individually controlled without needing individual heating and A/C units, just individual system controls.




    I do love the Nest. Really cool idea. It may save me from nagging the kids for not turning down the thermostat when they leave for school. Just one thing that bugged me about the reviews - The reviewers fawned all over a product they have not tested and referred to it as Applesque because of the founders were from Apple, and because the round design is reminiscent of the scroll wheel on iPods. But to me, the round design is a nice digital twist on the classic round thermostat, down to the size of it. Regardless, I can't wait to buy it and hope it lives up to hype.
  • Reply 78 of 232
    solipsismsolipsism Posts: 25,726member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by stelligent View Post


    I do love the Nest. Really cool idea. It may save me from nagging the kids for not turning down the thermostat when they leave for school. Just one thing that bugged me about the reviews - The reviewers fawned all over a product they have not tested and referred to it as Applesque because of the founders were from Apple, and because the round design is reminiscent of the scroll wheel on iPods. But to me, the round design is a nice digital twist on the classic round thermostat, down to the size of it. Regardless, I can't wait to buy it and hope it lives up to hype.



    I see it as Applesque in it's design from the HW to the SW, not because it had former Apple employees attached to it. If that were the case then Android and WebTV would be Applesque, which is about as far from the truth as you can get.



    I just hope the auto-brightness feature is more effective than on the iPhone. I also hope they eventually make a model that can tie into power from the wall (with a battery inside incase you lose power) without the need to switch out batteries periodically.
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    stelligentstelligent Posts: 2,680member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by solipsism View Post


    I see it as Applesque in it's design from the HW to the SW, not because it had former Apple employees attached to it. If that were the case then Android and WebTV would be Applesque, which is about as far from the truth as you can get.



    I just hope the auto-brightness feature is more effective than on the iPhone. I also hope they eventually make a model that can tie into power from the wall (with a battery inside incase you lose power) without the need to switch out batteries periodically.



    I agree there is much that's Applesque about the simple UI and the hidden smarts. What I object to is the unilateral reference to the scroll wheel when, in fact, a classic thermostat is round (I believe the round design predates the rectangular ones?).
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    boeyc15boeyc15 Posts: 986member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PeterMingCao View Post


    These are real happenings, but never a story. May Zhou was murdered, my life was endangered and Eric Schmidt lost his CEO position, everything I said had been investigated and confirmed by judicial authorities. Eric Schmidt and Sebastian Thrun already got Google's name into these anti-humanity crimes. They dare not deny these accusations to the public despite my public challenges, what's their problems? What's your questions then?



    Be serious, please. Someone are afraid of my saying to the public and had banned my old account. Only losers would do that.



    No... You were banned because you are sick and need professional psychiatric help.



    http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-03-2...trunk-sleeping



    Oh moderator!
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