I agree there is much that's Applesque about the simple UI and the hidden smarts. What I object to is the unilateral reference to the scroll wheel when, in fact, a classic thermostat is round (I believe the round design predates the rectangular ones?).
Oh yeah! Definitely. Even after they started becoming "modern" with the rectangle shape (I assume it was just easier to cut a rectangular hole in drywall) they were using round dials.
It's unlike Apple because Google uses its dominance (i.e., profits) in search to leverage itself into other markets by dumping (i.e., giving away for free) products in other markets to achieve dominance there as well. That's classic monopolistic behavior and not at all how Apple operates.
I don't agree that is classic monopolistic behaviour. On the other hand, there is an interesting point here - if not Android, what choices would the likes of HTC, Samsung and others have? They would have been left to customize Linux on their own or continue with Windows Mobile. I'm not sure the smartphone world would be a better place. Would iPhone alone have pushed MS to retrench and come up with a new approach?
I don't agree that is classic monopolistic behaviour. On the other hand, there is an interesting point here - if not Android, what choices would the likes of HTC, Samsung and others have? They would have been left to customize Linux on their own or continue with Windows Mobile. I'm not sure the smartphone world would be a better place. Would iPhone alone have pushed MS to retrench and come up with a new approach?
That's an interesting question, but I don't think WP7 today would be much different without Android because iOS would still the biggest obstacle for MS to overcome in the mobile space. The only difference would likely be Apple having more percentage but MS may still have had close to what it has now with or without Android's presence.
Oh yeah! Definitely. Even after they started becoming "modern" with the rectangle shape (I assume it was just easier to cut a rectangular hole in drywall) they were using round dials.
I would be surprised if they didn't start with the classic thermostat as their design template. Look at the similarities down to the concentric circles and the scale. And another Applesque element here is that they have taken a classic beige product and turned it into something easy on the eyes.
If I am not mistaken, it does not even use battery power? Now that's brilliant, if true.
That's an interesting question, but I don't think WP7 today would be much different without Android because iOS would still the biggest obstacle for MS to overcome in the mobile space. The only difference would likely be Apple having more percentage but MS may still have had close to what it has now with or without Android's presence.
One difference: Samsung, HTC, etc. would have no alternative to Windows Mobile (sure Samsung can continue to pretend they can roll their own). So perhaps (and I am guessing) the pressure on MS would have been less.
If I am not mistaken, it does not even use battery power? Now that's brilliant, if true.
When I read it had a built-in Lithium-Ion battery I assumed it would have to be periodically replaced as the wall power wasn't enough to power this thermostat (which is also why they gave you the Nest screwdriver).
You are right in that it doesn't need recharging but it does use battery power.
The Nest Learning Thermostat is equipped with a self-recharging lithium-ion battery. This battery is charged through everyday use of the thermostat and doesn’t need a power adapter or charger. The lifetime of the battery is about 7-10 years and can be replaced by contacting us at support@nest.com.
When I read it had a built-in Lithium-Ion battery I assumed it would have to be periodically replaced as the wall power wasn't enough to power this thermostat (which is also why they gave you the Nest screwdriver).
You are right in that it doesn't need recharging but it does use battery power.
Okay, he's talking to an antitrust committee. Does that mean Google's being searched for having a search monopoly?
Is he claiming Siri is a competitor in this field, ending the monopoly?
Because Siri only uses Wolfram|Alpha for conversions and whatnot. Google is still used for everything else?
Can you elaborate on the "whatnot"? The friendship between Jobs and Wolfram is well reported. I'm curious about how intertwined Siri and WolframAlpha are.
To be fair, why isnt the Senate committee grilling Apple with its monopolistic market share of the Tablet market?
Double standard?
Dont get your hopes up too high Apple fans, because the yard stick to a competitive landscape in the eyes of the Senators is anyone having greater than 90% of any market is deemed a monopoly.
Apple should be next on target.
Wrong! Things aren't that simple
1) A merger of 2 small Southern California supermarket chains was prevented because the resulting 7-10% market share would have tended towards a monopoly (Yahoo merger Vons Shopping Bag).
2) IBM in the 1960s was investigated because they held 97% of the [maimframe] computer market. It was found that IBM had attained this position legally by providing superior products and services (Bing IBM monopoly).
One difference: Samsung, HTC, etc. would have no alternative to Windows Mobile (sure Samsung can continue to pretend they can roll their own). So perhaps (and I am guessing) the pressure on MS would have been less.
1) But WinMo, Symbian, and BB OS-based devices would have still been getting killed by the change to the market introduced by Apple. While Android can claim all these activations it's Apple that is hurting these companies by stealing all the profits from the upper-end of the market. Surely this can be debated and I can easily see a counter position to my own, but I think all the vendors would have been scrambling just as much if Google hadn't ridden Apple's tail into the smartphone market.
2) I think both Bada and WinPh7 are great OSes. Bada is still struggling with building their app portfolio but WinPh7 is looking healthy with 35k. Clearly not as much as either Android or iOS platforms but you get to a point that the number no longer matters. I think MS is nearing that threshold? now it just needs to get a foothold in the market. As Pogue said, it's a Catch-22, "Windows Phone isn?t popular because it isn?t popular." Which is a shame. I'm trying to get one of the blue Nokia N9 WP7 devices sent to me from Finland.
Can I respectfully suggest we leave this individual alone (not you, the PeterMC dude)?
I agree. I had my fun but this isn't just standard trolling behaviour. I'm a little scared right now and probably won't head to Standford to eat my baloney and cheese sandwich after all.
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Oh, thanks. I missed that. I just read somewhere that they worked really hard to minimize power usage and made the wrong assumption.
I guess it just sips the power from the standard thermostat hookup. I didn't think that would be enough to charge it but I think the standard are 24V hooks.
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I'm curious about how intertwined Siri and WolframAlpha are.
Judging by my use of Siri all numerical calculations are from Wolfram-Alpha. The results between W-A on Siri and their website have identical results right down to the the images of the minimal currency values. Seems like they struck a pretty nice deal with them that will bring W-A to the masses in a way that wasn't before possible.
So far, Google is using Siri to serve their purpose by trotting it out in front of anti-trust regulators. Picture Alfred E. Neuman as Eric Schmidt saying: "What, me search monopoly?"
Ain't that just the coolest thing? I had once thought of getting into this business to make the home HVAC smarter and more energy efficient. I'd like to eventually see that homes that can control the vents to each room/quadrant so that rooms can be individually controlled without needing individual heating and A/C units, just individual system controls.
You'd want such a system to automatically close doors and seal them because air traveling from one room to another can cause the HVAC system to "fight itself" trying to keep one room warm and the other cold.
The stupid media created a fake target for Google to get away with this prob. Siri is not a threat to Google search as I've said in another thread, what Siri can do right now, are stuffs you won't want to use Google search for. Sad.
You'd want such a system to automatically close doors and seal them because air traveling from one room to another can cause the HVAC system to "fight itself" trying to keep one room warm and the other cold.
"Nest, open this door. I need to use the bathroom"
"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. "
You are right about it fighting itself but with a system that knows the details of each room's temperature and when they are in use it can intelligently optimize the system. I don't think have hermetically sealed doors is a viable solution even though they technically would keep the air from seeping.
Ain't that just the coolest thing? I had once thought of getting into this business to make the home HVAC smarter and more energy efficient. I'd like to eventually see that homes that can control the vents to each room/quadrant so that rooms can be individually controlled without needing individual heating and A/C units, just individual system controls.
That is a pretty cool thermostat. $249 is a bit pricey unless you just like fancy gadgets. It might save enough to break even if you spend a lot on heating or cooling. BTW your idea about adjusting dampers to create zones is exactly how conventional HVAC works in commercial and large residential installations. You don't need a sepate A/C unit for each zone.
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I agree there is much that's Applesque about the simple UI and the hidden smarts. What I object to is the unilateral reference to the scroll wheel when, in fact, a classic thermostat is round (I believe the round design predates the rectangular ones?).
Oh yeah! Definitely. Even after they started becoming "modern" with the rectangle shape (I assume it was just easier to cut a rectangular hole in drywall) they were using round dials.
It's unlike Apple because Google uses its dominance (i.e., profits) in search to leverage itself into other markets by dumping (i.e., giving away for free) products in other markets to achieve dominance there as well. That's classic monopolistic behavior and not at all how Apple operates.
I don't agree that is classic monopolistic behaviour. On the other hand, there is an interesting point here - if not Android, what choices would the likes of HTC, Samsung and others have? They would have been left to customize Linux on their own or continue with Windows Mobile. I'm not sure the smartphone world would be a better place. Would iPhone alone have pushed MS to retrench and come up with a new approach?
I don't agree that is classic monopolistic behaviour. On the other hand, there is an interesting point here - if not Android, what choices would the likes of HTC, Samsung and others have? They would have been left to customize Linux on their own or continue with Windows Mobile. I'm not sure the smartphone world would be a better place. Would iPhone alone have pushed MS to retrench and come up with a new approach?
That's an interesting question, but I don't think WP7 today would be much different without Android because iOS would still the biggest obstacle for MS to overcome in the mobile space. The only difference would likely be Apple having more percentage but MS may still have had close to what it has now with or without Android's presence.
Oh yeah! Definitely. Even after they started becoming "modern" with the rectangle shape (I assume it was just easier to cut a rectangular hole in drywall) they were using round dials.
I would be surprised if they didn't start with the classic thermostat as their design template. Look at the similarities down to the concentric circles and the scale. And another Applesque element here is that they have taken a classic beige product and turned it into something easy on the eyes.
If I am not mistaken, it does not even use battery power? Now that's brilliant, if true.
That's an interesting question, but I don't think WP7 today would be much different without Android because iOS would still the biggest obstacle for MS to overcome in the mobile space. The only difference would likely be Apple having more percentage but MS may still have had close to what it has now with or without Android's presence.
One difference: Samsung, HTC, etc. would have no alternative to Windows Mobile (sure Samsung can continue to pretend they can roll their own). So perhaps (and I am guessing) the pressure on MS would have been less.
If I am not mistaken, it does not even use battery power? Now that's brilliant, if true.
When I read it had a built-in Lithium-Ion battery I assumed it would have to be periodically replaced as the wall power wasn't enough to power this thermostat (which is also why they gave you the Nest screwdriver).
You are right in that it doesn't need recharging but it does use battery power.
No... You were banned because you are sick and need professional psychiatric help.
http://articles.sfgate.com/2008-03-2...trunk-sleeping
Oh moderator!
Can I respectfully suggest we leave this individual alone (not you, the PeterMC dude)?
When I read it had a built-in Lithium-Ion battery I assumed it would have to be periodically replaced as the wall power wasn't enough to power this thermostat (which is also why they gave you the Nest screwdriver).
You are right in that it doesn't need recharging but it does use battery power.
Oh, thanks. I missed that. I just read somewhere that they worked really hard to minimize power usage and made the wrong assumption.
Okay, he's talking to an antitrust committee. Does that mean Google's being searched for having a search monopoly?
Is he claiming Siri is a competitor in this field, ending the monopoly?
Because Siri only uses Wolfram|Alpha for conversions and whatnot. Google is still used for everything else?
Can you elaborate on the "whatnot"? The friendship between Jobs and Wolfram is well reported. I'm curious about how intertwined Siri and WolframAlpha are.
To be fair, why isnt the Senate committee grilling Apple with its monopolistic market share of the Tablet market?
Double standard?
Dont get your hopes up too high Apple fans, because the yard stick to a competitive landscape in the eyes of the Senators is anyone having greater than 90% of any market is deemed a monopoly.
Apple should be next on target.
Wrong! Things aren't that simple
1) A merger of 2 small Southern California supermarket chains was prevented because the resulting 7-10% market share would have tended towards a monopoly (Yahoo merger Vons Shopping Bag).
2) IBM in the 1960s was investigated because they held 97% of the [maimframe] computer market. It was found that IBM had attained this position legally by providing superior products and services (Bing IBM monopoly).
One difference: Samsung, HTC, etc. would have no alternative to Windows Mobile (sure Samsung can continue to pretend they can roll their own). So perhaps (and I am guessing) the pressure on MS would have been less.
1) But WinMo, Symbian, and BB OS-based devices would have still been getting killed by the change to the market introduced by Apple. While Android can claim all these activations it's Apple that is hurting these companies by stealing all the profits from the upper-end of the market. Surely this can be debated and I can easily see a counter position to my own, but I think all the vendors would have been scrambling just as much if Google hadn't ridden Apple's tail into the smartphone market.
2) I think both Bada and WinPh7 are great OSes. Bada is still struggling with building their app portfolio but WinPh7 is looking healthy with 35k. Clearly not as much as either Android or iOS platforms but you get to a point that the number no longer matters. I think MS is nearing that threshold? now it just needs to get a foothold in the market. As Pogue said, it's a Catch-22, "Windows Phone isn?t popular because it isn?t popular." Which is a shame. I'm trying to get one of the blue Nokia N9 WP7 devices sent to me from Finland.
Documented by Steve Jobs recorded on video. Search the Internet for it.
It's documented that you are wrong about this. Search the internet for it.
Can I respectfully suggest we leave this individual alone (not you, the PeterMC dude)?
I agree. I had my fun but this isn't just standard trolling behaviour. I'm a little scared right now and probably won't head to Standford to eat my baloney and cheese sandwich after all.
Oh, thanks. I missed that. I just read somewhere that they worked really hard to minimize power usage and made the wrong assumption.
I guess it just sips the power from the standard thermostat hookup. I didn't think that would be enough to charge it but I think the standard are 24V hooks.
I'm curious about how intertwined Siri and WolframAlpha are.
Judging by my use of Siri all numerical calculations are from Wolfram-Alpha. The results between W-A on Siri and their website have identical results right down to the the images of the minimal currency values. Seems like they struck a pretty nice deal with them that will bring W-A to the masses in a way that wasn't before possible.
So far, Google is using Siri to serve their purpose by trotting it out in front of anti-trust regulators. Picture Alfred E. Neuman as Eric Schmidt saying: "What, me search monopoly?"
Speaking of adjusting your home's thermostat?Ain't that just the coolest thing? I had once thought of getting into this business to make the home HVAC smarter and more energy efficient. I'd like to eventually see that homes that can control the vents to each room/quadrant so that rooms can be individually controlled without needing individual heating and A/C units, just individual system controls.
You'd want such a system to automatically close doors and seal them because air traveling from one room to another can cause the HVAC system to "fight itself" trying to keep one room warm and the other cold.
Haha! That's the one!
You'd want such a system to automatically close doors and seal them because air traveling from one room to another can cause the HVAC system to "fight itself" trying to keep one room warm and the other cold.
"Nest, open this door. I need to use the bathroom"
"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. "
You are right about it fighting itself but with a system that knows the details of each room's temperature and when they are in use it can intelligently optimize the system. I don't think have hermetically sealed doors is a viable solution even though they technically would keep the air from seeping.
"Nest, open this door. I need to use the bathroom"
"I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. "
"Command authorization Picard-zero-two-alpha"
Speaking of adjusting your home's thermostat?Ain't that just the coolest thing? I had once thought of getting into this business to make the home HVAC smarter and more energy efficient. I'd like to eventually see that homes that can control the vents to each room/quadrant so that rooms can be individually controlled without needing individual heating and A/C units, just individual system controls.
That is a pretty cool thermostat. $249 is a bit pricey unless you just like fancy gadgets. It might save enough to break even if you spend a lot on heating or cooling. BTW your idea about adjusting dampers to create zones is exactly how conventional HVAC works in commercial and large residential installations. You don't need a sepate A/C unit for each zone.