Apple defends Siri abortion, birth control omissions as unintentional

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  • Reply 81 of 97
    Whenever I need an abortion the first thing I think is to ask Siri.
  • Reply 82 of 97
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Wurm5150 View Post


    To NARAL, ACLU, and all Pro-Choice Activists:



    Here you go..







    Proof that Siri isn't choosing to exclude abortion clinics for some secret political agenda. How do you explain that, Jetz?
  • Reply 83 of 97
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post


    The author says this:

    "And it?s clear that Yelp is definitely not a leading contender as an information source for other issues, especially health matters, even though some people are starting to leave reviews for providers there. "



    It is entirely possible (and actually likely) that Apple doesn't use Yelp for questions of that nature. To prove that point, you'd have to first figure out what source Apple uses for questions of that nature and then see if Apple was providing different results than the original source.



    Like I said, I honestly think some programmer simply excluded any sex related topics (other than the easter eggs that have come out). That's the reason Siri won't even spit out some of the Yelp results.
  • Reply 84 of 97
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jetz View Post


    Like I said, I honestly think some programmer simply excluded any sex related topics (other than the easter eggs that have come out). That's the reason Siri won't even spit out some of the Yelp results.



    Unless you're in Denver, I guess.



    And what about your comments about Siri choosing to be glib about rape? You also think that programmer including glib comments about violent acts?
  • Reply 85 of 97
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    Actually, I choose to treat it exactly like that. Because that's what it is.



    Lots of folks say the same thing when some women get assaulted. "Oh they're just over-reacting." Or "She deserved it."





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    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    Yeah, because those two are the same. </sarcasm>



    No. Apparently, providing sexual health info is a lower priority than letting you know where to bury a dead body, where to find a pizza, or where to get laid. Rape and abuse information not so much. Siri can't even be bothered to give you the opportunity to web search for it.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    I thought you might be sane until I read this post. Now I think you're a little nuts.



    If being concerned about something like this makes me crazy so be it. I happen to think that an information source and resource that is extensively advertised as a key selling feature of an Apple product should certainly prioritize finding you the phone number of rape crisis centre (or at least suggest the nearest hospital or police station...which it doesn't do either...like it does for "I'm bleeding.") over helping you find a cheeseburger.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post


    You really don't have anything better to do with your time, do you? My God...if this is a "serious issue," I can only imagine how seriously you take things like the weather forecast and accurate DVR listings.



    Seriously right? I mean who care about women looking for birth control? It's not like providing a list of pharmacies would be obvious? And who cares if Siri tells you there's no abortion clinics or rape crisis centres in your area. Clearly these issues are on par with the weather and DVR listings for some people.
  • Reply 86 of 97
    jetzjetz Posts: 1,293member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bedouin View Post


    Whenever I need an abortion the first thing I think is to ask Siri.



    Unfortunately, I could actually see some 15 year old kid taking Siri's answer as gospel. That's not a far-fetched scenario.
  • Reply 87 of 97
    lundylundy Posts: 4,466member
    We don't lock threads. If it turns into politics we will just move it to Political Outsider. If just a few people start insulting other people, we will just delete their posts faster than they can make them.





    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung View Post


    I think that this thread has the power to get way to out of hand. Looking at some of the insults tossed about just when smartphones are brought up. I hate to see what will come up when a serious subject is involved.



    I know that you don't generally close threads but this can get out of hand.



  • Reply 88 of 97
    sdw2001sdw2001 Posts: 17,847member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jetz View Post


    Lots of folks say the same thing when some women get assaulted. "Oh they're just over-reacting." Or "She deserved it."



    You're comparing search results to assault?



    Quote:



    No. Apparently, providing sexual health info is a lower priority than letting you know where to bury a dead body, where to find a pizza, or where to get laid. Rape and abuse information not so much. Siri can't even be bothered to give you the opportunity to web search for it.



    Oh stop with your BS weasel-words. "Sexual health" is simply a nice term you're using for abortion. And yes, when it comes to the vast majority of users, finding a pizza is a lot more important than finding an abortion clinic.



    Quote:



    If being concerned about something like this makes me crazy so be it. I happen to think that an information source and resource that is extensively advertised as a key selling feature of an Apple product should certainly prioritize finding you the phone number of rape crisis centre (or at least suggest the nearest hospital or police station...which it doesn't do either...like it does for "I'm bleeding.") over helping you find a cheeseburger.



    Dude...one word: Perspective. It's freaking BETA SOFTWARE being sold on a SMARTPHONE. And you're assailing Apple for it not being able to take care of every need in a person's life. You might as well throw a fit about it not automatically warning you that tobacco is bad for your health when you search for cigarette shops..



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    Seriously right? I mean who care about women looking for birth control?



    They're not looking for birth control, Mr. intellectually dishonest. And they are not even looking for abortion clinics. Someone just happened to notice this and decided to make a big deal out of it. Show me one person that couldn't get rape counseling because her Siri didn't function properly. For f***'s sake.



    Quote:



    It's not like providing a list of pharmacies would be obvious? And who cares if Siri tells you there's no abortion clinics or rape crisis centres in your area. Clearly these issues are on par with the weather and DVR listings for some people.



    These issues are not on par with DVR listings and the weather, but the issue of Siri results IS. It's a smartphone. It's not a magical cure-all. Get over it.
  • Reply 89 of 97
    haggarhaggar Posts: 1,568member
    Just don't get pregnant that way.



    Sent from my iPhone
  • Reply 90 of 97
    chris_cachris_ca Posts: 2,543member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post


    it has to be mentioned that abstinence (which you are somewhat heavily promoting here), is actually the worst and least reliable method of birth control.



    So people who do not have sex have more babies than people who do have sex using condoms, birth control pills, morning after, etc?

    Quote:

    There are literally thousands of studies showing how promoting abstinence as a cure for unwanted pregnancies



    And? You stated that abstinence (not programs that promote abstinence)*is the worst method of birth control.

    Quote:

    It's like asking people not to fart.



    Yet people who do not fart, fart far less (like none) than people who do fart.
  • Reply 91 of 97
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,687member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post


    For instance, the ACLU took issue with the fact that Siri is able to answer questions about where to have sex or where to find a local escort service, but provides "false and misleading information about abortion" because it directs users to pregnancy crisis centers.



    Yup, information that doesn't match your groupthink is "false"



    Gotta love the ACLU... Civil Liberties as long as you meet their narrow definition for acceptable
  • Reply 92 of 97
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,687member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Ronbo View Post


    Uh huh. Apple is reviewing every one of those Siri requests and censoring them in real time. Just like those ATM machines with little people inside, printing money.



    Ugh, your wasting your time expecting an informed or objective opinion in these forums - let alone on a topic such as this one



    Time to move on - I can't believe I expected an actual discussion coming into this thread. Silly me...
  • Reply 93 of 97
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DocNo42 View Post


    Yup, information that doesn't match your groupthink is "false"



    Gotta love the ACLU... Civil Liberties as long as you meet their narrow definition for acceptable



    So including everything is groupthink to you?
  • Reply 94 of 97
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chris_CA View Post


    So people who do not have sex have more babies than people who do have sex using condoms, birth control pills, morning after, etc?



    Nope. Actual abstinence would work (except for involuntary cases such as rape), if people were willing to follow through with the commitment. But it is not realistic to expect that the majority of the population will actually adhere to the goal of actual abstinence.



    Basing a nation's strategy of controlling issues such as unplanned-for pregnancies, diseases, etc, purely upon a single-pronged tactic of promoting abstinence will not work. A majority of people who are preached at about the virtues of abstinence will ignore the advice. Teaching abstinence doesn't work because people will just go out and have sex anyway.
  • Reply 95 of 97
    I asked Siri I wanted to abort my baby. She gave me directiosn to a baby store. Didn't know they aborted babies at Babies R Us.
  • Reply 96 of 97
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Siri is now overcompensating for this issue: http://www.happyplace.com/12630/siri...-get-abortions (funny)
  • Reply 97 of 97
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haggar View Post


    Just don't get pregnant that way.



    Sent from my iPhone



    By sperm?
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