Google is pretty evil though. An almost Microsoftian level of evil in fact.
This is especially ironic since Google is the only company in living memory to actually claim that they *aren't* evil, and to have "do no evil" as their motto.
They should seriously consider dropping that.
Maybe in favour of "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil". Seems to be the case here.
The software in itself isn't evil though. The spotlight should be on the carriers right now - AT&T have stayed pretty quiet so far.
Google is pretty evil though. An almost Microsoftian level of evil in fact.
This is especially ironic since Google is the only company in living memory to actually claim that they *aren't* evil, and to have "do no evil" as their motto.
They should seriously consider dropping that.
Google will obviously have a different definition for Evil than you or I. ("I did NOT have sex with that woman , however, I did have a relationship with a cigar"- a great example of parsing words from a do-no-evil politician.
April 21, 2011. Government officials voice concern to Apple over location tracking
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Slow news day. Franken should be more concerned with creating jobs and helping get this country back in the black.
May 25, 2011. US Sen. Franken calls on Apple, Google to require app privacy policies.
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Originally Posted by Cinemagic
Sen. Al Franken is still an idiot.
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Originally Posted by kenwk
Hey Al, you must have too much free time as this has become your #1 priority.
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Originally Posted by kenwk
I think Al wants to create another department for this so the govn't can hire more workers to bring down the unemployment rate.
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Originally Posted by davesmall
Agreed. The best outcome would be for Senator Franken to resign and just go away. He's a jerk and he puts a face on the term 'bozo.'
June 15, 2011. Bill introduced in US Senate to enforce mobile privacy laws on Apple, Google
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Originally Posted by bigmc6000
I'm sorry but I just can't take anything Al Franken says seriously. He really should have just stuck with comedy.
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Originally Posted by radster360
Don't we have bigger issue to deal with in this country? This is utter waste of tax payers money. Here are two companies who are innovative, but leave it up to the government to muck it up! Al, go back to SNL - they might need you!
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Originally Posted by Cinemagic
Al Franken is still an idiot.
October 13, 2011. US senators propose bill to require 'accurate 4G information for consumers'
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Al Franken should have stuck to SNL.
Everyone would have been better off.
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Originally Posted by ezduzit
<Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., and Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn>
a proposal from hell by three of the worst legislators in congress.
December 1, 2011. Carrier IQ data logging controversy prompts scrutiny from US Senate
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I think his questions are reasonable and straight to the point
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Originally Posted by 801
Well, know you know that Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn. reads this site.
Welcome Senator, glad to have you.
When Al Franken questions Apple about privacy practices, he is trashed and dismissed. But when he is questioning other companies, we are all cheering him on.
Google will obviously have a different definition for Evil than you or I. ("I did NOT have sex with that woman , however, I did have a relationship with a cigar"- a great example of parsing words from a do-no-evil politician.
LOL maybe this would explain the iPad/iphone OVERCHARGES for DATA at&T kept charging for! funny, maybe not...
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Wouldn't be surprised if this is why users saw data transmissions on their bills occuring at 2AM.
The question is if the following above was true, could AT&T customers actually DO anything about it? Doesn't AT&T have that Anti-arbitration clause in the contracts thanks to the supreme court?
Gosh, that list reads like a bunch of 3rd grade essay assignment questions. And that's for the best, as often in investigations like this, the organization under scrutiny can't seem to give proper answers to questions at higher intellectual levels.
Remarkable how politicians can get to the point when they have to, yet spend a lot of the time going round and round using lots of words without really saying anything.
I wonder why the carriers/manufacturers (including apple) would risk this kind of thing? Who in their right minds wants this kind of surveillance on their phones? I sure don't. If I read that my phone has it, it is going into the toilet and I will join a class action lawsuit against my carrier and phone manufacturer.
I think this story has legs. Go Franken Go!
As far as Google thinking that they are blameless in this mess- good luck with that. Consumers tend to paint with broad strokes.....
SO now we know the real reason why the carriers love Android so much... its OPEN and by open it means we can pretty much do what the hell we like to make money off you and have you pay for its transmission to us.... "DO NO EVIL" what a fracking joke
When Al Franken questions Apple about privacy practices, he is trashed and dismissed. But when he is questioning other companies, we are all cheering him on.
Your inability to see a difference between opt-in cell tower location data being backed up in iTunes and a keylogger program installed on some Android-based devices is pretty much right on par with the rest of your ineffectual reading and writing skills.
Your inability to see a difference between opt-in cell tower location data being backed up in iTunes and a keylogger program installed on some Android-based devices is pretty much right on par with the rest of your ineffectual reading and writing skills.
And, you could have added, his inability to see that it lasted all of a few weeks in Apple's case, and the company had voluntarily taken it out ahead of all the brouhaha.....
It's a carrier issue, not an Android issue. The Nexus phones, among with others, do not feature this tracking software at all.
Baloney. enabling telcos to customize Android however they wish is at the very heart of its "open" design and business plan. and whatever happened to the "Open Handset Alliance" that was supposed to set privacy standards for its members. oops. never happened, did it ...
it's like Google hands a free gun to a homicidal maniac and then claims it had no role in the murder he commits with it. bullshit.
Not to pick on you but this exact defence word for word is being bandied around a lot today so I'd like to point out how completely untrue it is.
Sure, it's the carriers that made the software and put it on the phone, but it's Google's choice to let the carriers put this kind of crap on the phone, to not control what it accesses, to not even really *have* a decent security policy of any kind.
This is so totally "an Android problem." It's one of the reasons everyone cheered when Apple entered the business as this kind of crap has been going on for years and years (the software itself is quite old), and it took Apple to actually stand up to it and say they wouldn't allow it on their phone. Google could easily have done the same but they didn't.
Google's customer is the carrier, not the phone user.
Totally Google's fault IMO and completely on purpose. Not even a mistake.
Agreed, Google is all about user tracking and data mining. They stand to gain everything if they can mine text messages, emails and searches of it's users for key words to serve up custom ads or sell to other venders.
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No.
Stalin's pretzel factory perhaps.
Google is pretty evil though. An almost Microsoftian level of evil in fact.
This is especially ironic since Google is the only company in living memory to actually claim that they *aren't* evil, and to have "do no evil" as their motto.
They should seriously consider dropping that.
Maybe in favour of "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil". Seems to be the case here.
The software in itself isn't evil though. The spotlight should be on the carriers right now - AT&T have stayed pretty quiet so far.
No.
Stalin's pretzel factory perhaps.
Google is pretty evil though. An almost Microsoftian level of evil in fact.
This is especially ironic since Google is the only company in living memory to actually claim that they *aren't* evil, and to have "do no evil" as their motto.
They should seriously consider dropping that.
Google will obviously have a different definition for Evil than you or I. ("I did NOT have sex with that woman
Slow news day. Franken should be more concerned with creating jobs and helping get this country back in the black.
May 25, 2011. US Sen. Franken calls on Apple, Google to require app privacy policies.
Sen. Al Franken is still an idiot.
Hey Al, you must have too much free time as this has become your #1 priority.
I think Al wants to create another department for this so the govn't can hire more workers to bring down the unemployment rate.
Agreed. The best outcome would be for Senator Franken to resign and just go away. He's a jerk and he puts a face on the term 'bozo.'
June 15, 2011. Bill introduced in US Senate to enforce mobile privacy laws on Apple, Google
I'm sorry but I just can't take anything Al Franken says seriously. He really should have just stuck with comedy.
Don't we have bigger issue to deal with in this country? This is utter waste of tax payers money. Here are two companies who are innovative, but leave it up to the government to muck it up! Al, go back to SNL - they might need you!
Al Franken is still an idiot.
October 13, 2011. US senators propose bill to require 'accurate 4G information for consumers'
Al Franken should have stuck to SNL.
Everyone would have been better off.
<Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., and Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn>
a proposal from hell by three of the worst legislators in congress.
December 1, 2011. Carrier IQ data logging controversy prompts scrutiny from US Senate
I think his questions are reasonable and straight to the point
Well, know you know that Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn. reads this site.
Welcome Senator, glad to have you.
When Al Franken questions Apple about privacy practices, he is trashed and dismissed. But when he is questioning other companies, we are all cheering him on.
Google will obviously have a different definition for Evil than you or I. ("I did NOT have sex with that woman
I've dated some Cubans, but never a cigar.
LOL maybe this would explain the iPad/iphone OVERCHARGES for DATA at&T kept charging for! funny, maybe not...
Wouldn't be surprised if this is why users saw data transmissions on their bills occuring at 2AM.
LOL maybe this would explain the iPad/iphone OVERCHARGES for DATA at&T kept charging for! funny, maybe not...
Wouldn't be surprised if this is why users saw data transmissions on their bills occuring at 2AM.
The question is if the following above was true, could AT&T customers actually DO anything about it? Doesn't AT&T have that Anti-arbitration clause in the contracts thanks to the supreme court?
Gosh, that list reads like a bunch of 3rd grade essay assignment questions. And that's for the best, as often in investigations like this, the organization under scrutiny can't seem to give proper answers to questions at higher intellectual levels.
Remarkable how politicians can get to the point when they have to, yet spend a lot of the time going round and round using lots of words without really saying anything.
Besides, only the iPhone 4 has the carrier IQ installed.
How do we know that?
If that's true, then it's weird that Verizon doesn't make commercials boasting about that.
Really? You're serious aren't you.
I think this story has legs. Go Franken Go!
As far as Google thinking that they are blameless in this mess- good luck with that. Consumers tend to paint with broad strokes.....
When Al Franken questions Apple about privacy practices, he is trashed and dismissed. But when he is questioning other companies, we are all cheering him on.
Your inability to see a difference between opt-in cell tower location data being backed up in iTunes and a keylogger program installed on some Android-based devices is pretty much right on par with the rest of your ineffectual reading and writing skills.
I trust you will also be launching investigations into the various ways the U.S. government collects data...
Your inability to see a difference between opt-in cell tower location data being backed up in iTunes and a keylogger program installed on some Android-based devices is pretty much right on par with the rest of your ineffectual reading and writing skills.
And, you could have added, his inability to see that it lasted all of a few weeks in Apple's case, and the company had voluntarily taken it out ahead of all the brouhaha.....
It's a carrier issue, not an Android issue. The Nexus phones, among with others, do not feature this tracking software at all.
Baloney. enabling telcos to customize Android however they wish is at the very heart of its "open" design and business plan. and whatever happened to the "Open Handset Alliance" that was supposed to set privacy standards for its members. oops. never happened, did it ...
it's like Google hands a free gun to a homicidal maniac and then claims it had no role in the murder he commits with it. bullshit.
Really? You're serious aren't you.
What makes you think that I wasn't serious?
If carrier A violates people's privacy and carrier B doesn't, then why wouldn't carrier B use that to their advantage?
Not to pick on you but this exact defence word for word is being bandied around a lot today so I'd like to point out how completely untrue it is.
Sure, it's the carriers that made the software and put it on the phone, but it's Google's choice to let the carriers put this kind of crap on the phone, to not control what it accesses, to not even really *have* a decent security policy of any kind.
This is so totally "an Android problem." It's one of the reasons everyone cheered when Apple entered the business as this kind of crap has been going on for years and years (the software itself is quite old), and it took Apple to actually stand up to it and say they wouldn't allow it on their phone. Google could easily have done the same but they didn't.
Google's customer is the carrier, not the phone user.
Totally Google's fault IMO and completely on purpose. Not even a mistake.
Agreed, Google is all about user tracking and data mining. They stand to gain everything if they can mine text messages, emails and searches of it's users for key words to serve up custom ads or sell to other venders.