As previously stated, just because Google doesn't install it on Android doesn't mean it's not an Android issue. There are very few Nexus phones that make up all Android-based devices so which vendors and carriers have installed the keylogger?
Also, just because Apple isn't using the keylogger and are very clear in what they monitor and how to opt-out they have an affiliation with Carrier IQ so that makes it an Apple issue as well. They both are victims of association even if they are both on the up and up, but that doesn't mean it's not their issue to deal with. If it wasn't they wouldn't be issuing statements.
With Verizon being the largest Android seller in the US, and stating they do not use Carrier IQ, I find his claim over-reaching at the least. There's no evidence that Carrier IQ is also working with EU or Asian telcos too is there? If not then I don't know how he could claim "most".
With Verizon being the largest Android seller in the US, and stating they do not use Carrier IQ, I find his claim over-reaching at the least. There's no evidence that Carrier IQ is also working with EU or Asian telcos too is there? If not then I don't know how he could claim "most".
It's 140+ million, and that number is from CarrierIQ's website. (Don't know the geographic breakdown of that).
As previously stated, just because Google doesn't install it on Android doesn't mean it's not an Android issue. There are very few Nexus phones that make up all Android-based devices so which vendors and carriers have installed the keylogger?
Also, just because Apple isn't using the keylogger and are very clear in what they monitor and how to opt-out they have an affiliation with Carrier IQ so that makes it an Apple issue as well. They both are victims of association even if they are both on the up and up, but that doesn't mean it's not their issue to deal with. If it wasn't they wouldn't be issuing statements.
Doesn't the data gathered from the iPhone go to Carrier IQ first, then bundled and compiled for Apple? If I understand how this works, reportedly the software sends logs directly to Carrier IQ, who then gathers and reports the results to the vendor/customer, whether it's HTC, Sprint, Apple or whoever. The data logs don't flow directly to the customer. I think I've got that right, but not certain.
If so then there would be a question of just what's actually logged, even tho the end-customer, Apple for instance, may claim not to get identifiable info.
Doesn't the data gathered from the iPhone go to Carrier IQ first, then bundled and compiled for Apple? If I understand how this works, reportedly the software sends logs directly to Carrier IQ, who then gathers and reports the results to the vendor/customer, whether it's HTC, Sprint, Apple or whoever. The data logs don't flow directly to the customer. I think I've got that right, but not certain.
If so then there would be a question of just what's actually logged, even tho the end-customer, Apple for instance, may claim not to get identifiable info.
There's lots more to come I'll wager.
Of the companies that have used Carrier IQ only Apple has been forthcoming with what is recorded.
[?] With any diagnostic data sent to Apple, customers must actively opt-in to share this information, and if they do, the data is sent in an anonymous and encrypted form and does not include any personal information. We never recorded keystrokes, messages or any other personal information for diagnostic data and have no plans to ever do so.
It's 140+ million, and that number is from CarrierIQ's website. (Don't know the geographic breakdown of that).
How many Android phones are out there?
Doesn't that 140 million include iPhones too? If so they would make up a big chunk of that wouldn't they? Apple is one of their customers, perhaps the largest single one. Or rather, was the largest one.
This is a million times worse than that so-called location-gate that people were making a big deal out of a while ago. That turned out to be not much of an issue, even though certain people tried to slam Apple for it.
This Carrier IQ stuff records and sends your passwords, your google searches, basically everything!
Of the companies that have used Carrier IQ only Apple has been forthcoming with what is recorded.
[?] With any diagnostic data sent to Apple, customers must actively opt-in to share this information, and if they do, the data is sent in an anonymous and encrypted form and does not include any personal information. We never recorded keystrokes, messages or any other personal information for diagnostic data and have no plans to ever do so.
Is that referring to the data Carrier IQ forwards to Apple, or even the data originally transmitted to Carrier IQ before it's compiled and forwarded to Apple? I don't know that's 100% clear yet.
Is that referring to the data Carrier IQ forwards to Apple, or even the data originally transmitted to Carrier IQ before it's compiled and forwarded to Apple? I don't know that's 100% clear yet.
Maybe, but either way it's not personal data, much less everything you've typed into your device. It's also unclear if the Android-based devices with the keylogger software is sending all the data or if it's anonymous. Do we know the URLs it's sending it to?
Maybe, but either way it's not personal data, much less everything you've typed into your device. It's also unclear if the Android-based devices with the keylogger software is sending all the data or if it's anonymous. Do we know the URLs it's sending it to?
I thought I'd seen that mentioned today. IIRC is was to a CarrierIQ addy.
The question is if the following above was true, could AT&T customers actually DO anything about it? Doesn't AT&T have that Anti-arbitration clause in the contracts thanks to the supreme court?
Unknown. But catching the carriers red-handed makes me smile.
I thought I'd seen that mentioned today. IIRC is was to a CarrierIQ addy.
I would think Apple would get its own diagnostic data sent to itself. Clearly anything from Carrier IQ can be altered easily? as we've seen with the level of fluctuation between vendors and carriers.
Verizon already said that they do not use Carrier IQ - that is the largest Android Block in the USA
So if Verizon is not using CarrierIQ, then are they using something else?
The wording of their statements does not rule out that possibility, in fact their statement indicates they run similar programs:-
Quote:
“Any report that Verizon Wireless uses Carrier IQ is patently false,” Verizon Wireless spokesperson Jeffrey Nelson said in an email. In an email follow-up, spokeswoman Debra Lewis elaborated. “We did recently notify customers about new privacy programs; we were transparent about how customer information will be used and gave clear choices to customers about whether they want to participate in these programs,” she said. “Carrier IQ is not involved in these programs.”
Microsoft and Nokia have been disingenuous, they have not stated whether the software carriers add to their phones contains software of this type.
Quote:
Nokia also categorically denied that the tracking software is used in its devices. Spokesperson Mark Durrant said:
“CarrierIQ does not ship products for any Nokia devices, so reports that they have been found on Nokia phones are wrong”.
In a statement sent to ZDNet columnist Mary Jo Foley last night, Microsoft stated that: “The Windows Phone operating system does not include the Carrier IQ software”
Doesn't that 140 million include iPhones too? If so they would make up a big chunk of that wouldn't they? Apple is one of their customers, perhaps the largest single one. Or rather, was the largest one.
How many iPhones would that be? Since it's gone from most devices using iOS 5.0 and that OS is used going back to the 3GS is that really a lot os phones that are using it? Either way, that number does make it seem like Carrier IQ is almost exclusively in the US since we know AT&T, Sprint, HTC, Samsung and Apple are customers in some regard. So which is the carrier(s) and/or vendor(s) that is keylogging? That's what I want to know.
How many iPhones would that be? Since it's gone from most devices using iOS 5.0 and that OS is used going back to the 3GS is that really a lot os phones that are using it? Either way, that number does make it seem like Carrier IQ is almost exclusively in the US since we know AT&T, Sprint, HTC, Samsung and Apple are customers in some regard. So which is the carrier(s) and/or vendor(s) that is keylogging? That's what I want to know.
Actually Apple said "We stopped supporting CarrierIQ with iOS 5 in most of our products", not most of their individual devices. Two different things. I would suspect that Apple is still using it in the 4S for diagnostics, being that it's a new device with a few bugs here and there that still need quashing.
There's another researcher who claims there's no "keylogging" in the manner we think of it. Dan Rosenberg writes that "CarrierIQ does a lot of bad things. It's a potential risk to user privacy, and users should be given the ability to opt out of it.
But people need to recognize that there's a big difference between recording events like keystrokes and HTTPS URLs to a debugging buffer (which is pretty bad by itself), and actually collecting, storing, and transmitting this data to carriers (which doesn't happen). After reverse engineering CarrierIQ myself, I have seen no evidence that they are collecting anything more than what they've publicly claimed: anonymized metrics data. There's a big difference between "look, it does something when I press a key" and "it's sending all my keystrokes to the carrier!". Based on what I've seen, there is no code in CarrierIQ that actually records keystrokes for data collection purposes. Of course, the fact that there are hooks in these events suggests that future versions may abuse this type of functionality, and CIQ should be held accountable and be under close scrutiny so that this type of privacy invasion does not occur. But all the recent noise on this is mostly unfounded.
There are plenty of reasons to be upset about CIQ, but please don't jump to conclusions based on incomplete evidence."
CBS has an recently updated story too, with responses from TMobile, Sprint, RIM and others.
Comments
It's a carrier issue, not an Android issue.
As previously stated, just because Google doesn't install it on Android doesn't mean it's not an Android issue. There are very few Nexus phones that make up all Android-based devices so which vendors and carriers have installed the keylogger?
Also, just because Apple isn't using the keylogger and are very clear in what they monitor and how to opt-out they have an affiliation with Carrier IQ so that makes it an Apple issue as well. They both are victims of association even if they are both on the up and up, but that doesn't mean it's not their issue to deal with. If it wasn't they wouldn't be issuing statements.
Is Google the most evil company in the history of the world?
Probably very close.
according to Eckhart, the spyware is included in most Android phones out there.
http://gizmodo.com/5863849/your-andr...rything-you-do
It is the majority of Android phones that are diseased and infected.
according to Eckhart, the spyware is included in most Android phones out there.
http://gizmodo.com/5863849/your-andr...rything-you-do
With Verizon being the largest Android seller in the US, and stating they do not use Carrier IQ, I find his claim over-reaching at the least. There's no evidence that Carrier IQ is also working with EU or Asian telcos too is there? If not then I don't know how he could claim "most".
With Verizon being the largest Android seller in the US, and stating they do not use Carrier IQ, I find his claim over-reaching at the least. There's no evidence that Carrier IQ is also working with EU or Asian telcos too is there? If not then I don't know how he could claim "most".
It's 140+ million, and that number is from CarrierIQ's website. (Don't know the geographic breakdown of that).
How many Android phones are out there?
As previously stated, just because Google doesn't install it on Android doesn't mean it's not an Android issue. There are very few Nexus phones that make up all Android-based devices so which vendors and carriers have installed the keylogger?
Also, just because Apple isn't using the keylogger and are very clear in what they monitor and how to opt-out they have an affiliation with Carrier IQ so that makes it an Apple issue as well. They both are victims of association even if they are both on the up and up, but that doesn't mean it's not their issue to deal with. If it wasn't they wouldn't be issuing statements.
Doesn't the data gathered from the iPhone go to Carrier IQ first, then bundled and compiled for Apple? If I understand how this works, reportedly the software sends logs directly to Carrier IQ, who then gathers and reports the results to the vendor/customer, whether it's HTC, Sprint, Apple or whoever. The data logs don't flow directly to the customer. I think I've got that right, but not certain.
If so then there would be a question of just what's actually logged, even tho the end-customer, Apple for instance, may claim not to get identifiable info.
There's lots more to come I'll wager.
Doesn't the data gathered from the iPhone go to Carrier IQ first, then bundled and compiled for Apple? If I understand how this works, reportedly the software sends logs directly to Carrier IQ, who then gathers and reports the results to the vendor/customer, whether it's HTC, Sprint, Apple or whoever. The data logs don't flow directly to the customer. I think I've got that right, but not certain.
If so then there would be a question of just what's actually logged, even tho the end-customer, Apple for instance, may claim not to get identifiable info.
There's lots more to come I'll wager.
Of the companies that have used Carrier IQ only Apple has been forthcoming with what is recorded.
It's 140+ million, and that number is from CarrierIQ's website. (Don't know the geographic breakdown of that).
How many Android phones are out there?
Doesn't that 140 million include iPhones too? If so they would make up a big chunk of that wouldn't they? Apple is one of their customers, perhaps the largest single one. Or rather, was the largest one.
Well, know you know that Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn. reads this site.
Welcome Senator, glad to have you.
I doubt if that moron even knows how to read..
I'm SO glad the government still cares about us little people...
I guess everything is just running great in DC, and there is nothing more important the senate could be doing..
This Carrier IQ stuff records and sends your passwords, your google searches, basically everything!
Of the companies that have used Carrier IQ only Apple has been forthcoming with what is recorded.
Is that referring to the data Carrier IQ forwards to Apple, or even the data originally transmitted to Carrier IQ before it's compiled and forwarded to Apple? I don't know that's 100% clear yet.
Is that referring to the data Carrier IQ forwards to Apple, or even the data originally transmitted to Carrier IQ before it's compiled and forwarded to Apple? I don't know that's 100% clear yet.
Maybe, but either way it's not personal data, much less everything you've typed into your device. It's also unclear if the Android-based devices with the keylogger software is sending all the data or if it's anonymous. Do we know the URLs it's sending it to?
Maybe, but either way it's not personal data, much less everything you've typed into your device. It's also unclear if the Android-based devices with the keylogger software is sending all the data or if it's anonymous. Do we know the URLs it's sending it to?
I thought I'd seen that mentioned today. IIRC is was to a CarrierIQ addy.
The question is if the following above was true, could AT&T customers actually DO anything about it? Doesn't AT&T have that Anti-arbitration clause in the contracts thanks to the supreme court?
Unknown. But catching the carriers red-handed makes me smile.
I thought I'd seen that mentioned today. IIRC is was to a CarrierIQ addy.
I would think Apple would get its own diagnostic data sent to itself. Clearly anything from Carrier IQ can be altered easily? as we've seen with the level of fluctuation between vendors and carriers.
Verizon already said that they do not use Carrier IQ - that is the largest Android Block in the USA
So if Verizon is not using CarrierIQ, then are they using something else?
The wording of their statements does not rule out that possibility, in fact their statement indicates they run similar programs:-
“Any report that Verizon Wireless uses Carrier IQ is patently false,” Verizon Wireless spokesperson Jeffrey Nelson said in an email. In an email follow-up, spokeswoman Debra Lewis elaborated. “We did recently notify customers about new privacy programs; we were transparent about how customer information will be used and gave clear choices to customers about whether they want to participate in these programs,” she said. “Carrier IQ is not involved in these programs.”
Source
Microsoft and Nokia have been disingenuous, they have not stated whether the software carriers add to their phones contains software of this type.
Nokia also categorically denied that the tracking software is used in its devices. Spokesperson Mark Durrant said:
“CarrierIQ does not ship products for any Nokia devices, so reports that they have been found on Nokia phones are wrong”.
In a statement sent to ZDNet columnist Mary Jo Foley last night, Microsoft stated that: “The Windows Phone operating system does not include the Carrier IQ software”
Source
On a side note here is an example of how to write an unbelievably biased article.
http://www.carrieriq.com/index.htm
Worth a read.
Doesn't that 140 million include iPhones too? If so they would make up a big chunk of that wouldn't they? Apple is one of their customers, perhaps the largest single one. Or rather, was the largest one.
How many iPhones would that be? Since it's gone from most devices using iOS 5.0 and that OS is used going back to the 3GS is that really a lot os phones that are using it? Either way, that number does make it seem like Carrier IQ is almost exclusively in the US since we know AT&T, Sprint, HTC, Samsung and Apple are customers in some regard. So which is the carrier(s) and/or vendor(s) that is keylogging? That's what I want to know.
On Android of course, as this doesn't apply to iOS.
How many iPhones would that be? Since it's gone from most devices using iOS 5.0 and that OS is used going back to the 3GS is that really a lot os phones that are using it? Either way, that number does make it seem like Carrier IQ is almost exclusively in the US since we know AT&T, Sprint, HTC, Samsung and Apple are customers in some regard. So which is the carrier(s) and/or vendor(s) that is keylogging? That's what I want to know.
Actually Apple said "We stopped supporting CarrierIQ with iOS 5 in most of our products", not most of their individual devices. Two different things. I would suspect that Apple is still using it in the 4S for diagnostics, being that it's a new device with a few bugs here and there that still need quashing.
There's another researcher who claims there's no "keylogging" in the manner we think of it. Dan Rosenberg writes that "CarrierIQ does a lot of bad things. It's a potential risk to user privacy, and users should be given the ability to opt out of it.
But people need to recognize that there's a big difference between recording events like keystrokes and HTTPS URLs to a debugging buffer (which is pretty bad by itself), and actually collecting, storing, and transmitting this data to carriers (which doesn't happen). After reverse engineering CarrierIQ myself, I have seen no evidence that they are collecting anything more than what they've publicly claimed: anonymized metrics data. There's a big difference between "look, it does something when I press a key" and "it's sending all my keystrokes to the carrier!". Based on what I've seen, there is no code in CarrierIQ that actually records keystrokes for data collection purposes. Of course, the fact that there are hooks in these events suggests that future versions may abuse this type of functionality, and CIQ should be held accountable and be under close scrutiny so that this type of privacy invasion does not occur. But all the recent noise on this is mostly unfounded.
There are plenty of reasons to be upset about CIQ, but please don't jump to conclusions based on incomplete evidence."
CBS has an recently updated story too, with responses from TMobile, Sprint, RIM and others.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505124_1...id-smartphone/
Almost refreshing to have a story other than Samsung or Apple legal news.
EDIT: IMHO, within three weeks this will be a largely forgotten issue.