It's a carrier issue, not an Android issue. The Nexus phones, among with others, do not feature this tracking software at all.
Ummm no:
"Carrier IQ diagnostic software comes installed on many phones including Android, Nokia and BlackBerry devices. Carrier IQ software was later discovered on iOS devices but it appears to be benign."
The Nexus phones, among with others, do not feature this tracking software at all.
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Originally Posted by Splif
Ummm no:
"Carrier IQ diagnostic software comes installed on many phones including Android, Nokia and BlackBerry devices. Carrier IQ software was later discovered on iOS devices but it appears to be benign."
The Verge is reporting that Carrier IQ software is not on Motorola's Xoom or Nexus-branded Android phones including the Nexus One, Nexus S, and Galaxy Nexus.
The Verge is reporting that Carrier IQ software is not on Motorola's Xoom or Nexus-branded Android phones including the Nexus One, Nexus S, and Galaxy Nexus.
He/she said this is not an Android issue. Apparently you didn't read his statement or the article. Again. ummmmmm no.
Also from the article:
Can Carrier IQ software be removed?
It doesn't appear to be possible to remove this software on an Android phone unless you have a rooted device.
Paul says you can stop Carrier IQ on iOS 5 devices by turning off "Diagnostics and Usage" in the Settings application.
Apple's been pretty clear about this: no personal information of any kind has been logged. If they are dissembling, they should be taken to task.
If they're not, I hope you'll do the decent thing, and apologize.
PS: Response to Gatorguy above.
Apologize? For what exactly?
I've apologized a few times here in the forums when I've been wrong. I do try to "do the decent thing" with all my replies, and not at all embarrassed to be shown incorrect. I don't think I've made any unsupported claims in this thread.
He/she said this is not an Android issue. Apparently you didn't read his statement or the article. Again. ummmmmm no.
I don't believe it is an issue with Android itself. It's a carrier initiative for the most part, and also used by some manufacturers for new device diagnostics according to reports I've read. Some Apple, Android, and Blackberry phones have all been implicated in some manner. Some other reports have also mentioned Nokia, tho I tend to question those.
FWIW there's been little to no evidence that any of the CIQ customers receive personally identifiable info. Every one that has released a statement so far indicates it's supplied to them in anonymized form. That includes Sprint, TMobile, ATT, HTC and Carrier IQ themselves. It doesn't mean they're all telling the entire truth of course, but there's no evidence yet that they're lying either AFAIK.
I would suspect that most disinformation starts with "I would suspect that..."
Since Apple says CIQ isn't used with most of their iOS5 products, that would infer that some are still making use of it. Which one(s) would you guess and for what reason?
Since Apple says CIQ isn't used with most of their iOS5 products, that would infer that some are still making use of it. Which one(s) would you guess and for what reason?
Only one.
iPhone 4 is the only iOS5 device to still have parts of it. No other Apple device running iOS5 has it. And the reason would likely be that Apple hasn't gotten around to stripping it out completely yet.
And it is off by default, people have to turn it on manually. And even if somebody does, then it doesn't track and spy like CIQ does on Android. On Android devices that have CIQ, people do not get any such option, it's on regardless. The system is so open, that they don't even give you a choice if you want to be spied on or not.
. . . On Android devices that have CIQ, people do not get any such option, it's on regardless. The system is so open, that they don't even give you a choice if you want to be spied on or not.
iPhone 4 is the only iOS5 device to still have parts of it. No other Apple device running iOS5 has it.
And it is off by default, people have to turn it on manually. And even if somebody does, then it doesn't track and spy like CIQ does on Android. On Android devices that have CIQ, people do not get any such option, it's on regardless. The system is so open, that they don't even give you a choice if you want to be spied on or not.
Something I haven't seen discussed? We know Apple hasn't gotten rid of the analytics, but replaced it, likely with their own software. So is Carrier IQ the only company that any low-level analytics for mobile OSes? Do we need to worry about other companies getting access to data that may or may not be anonymizing our data or recording way too much personal data?
So is Carrier IQ the only company that any low-level analytics for mobile OSes?
I believe that AT&T, SPRINT and T-Mobile all admitted to using CIQ.
Verizon said that they do not. They might be completely honest in claiming that and they'd be technically correct. However, what if they're just using something else instead of CIQ?
iPhone 4 is the only iOS5 device to still have parts of it. No other Apple device running iOS5 has it. . .
I think you might be mistaken. If you have a 4S, check to see if you have this file in iOS5: /var/wireless/Library/Logs/awd
It's also reported by one source to still log CarrierIQ data even with "Submit logs to Apple" unchecked. That doesn't mean it's doing anything nefarious. Just pointing out that it may still be resident.
I think you might be mistaken. If you have a 4S, check to see if you have this file in iOS5: /var/wireless/Library/Logs/awd
It's also reported by one source to still log CarrierIQ data even with "Submit logs to Apple" unchecked. That doesn't mean it's doing anything nefarious. Just pointing out that it may still be resident.
I'm not the one making the claim, Apple is.
Apple tells us there is only one device running iOS 5 that still runs Carrier IQ, and it's the iPhone 4. Other devices running iOS 5, such as the iPad, the new iPhone 4S, and older iPhone models updated to iOS 5 have had Carrier IQ stripped out. But Apple says it has never used Carrier IQ to record keystrokes or personal messages.
It's clear, from the PROOF SUBMITTED, that Carrier IQ IS a clandestine logger and is being used by manufacturers and especially the carriers, as a wiretap device. Thanks Cheeeney.... You and your pack of neo-nut clowns started this - now, we're going to finish it.
All I've got to say is it's hard for me to believe that Carrier IQ is the only company that is offering this type of software ability. So my question is who else has this ability and what are they doing with it, and am I paying for their data transfer when they data mine? I know my feature phone turns on at 2:10 AM every single day and is doing something I have not approved. This Carrier IQ disclosure has opened Pandora's box and caught the telcos red-handed.
Inquiring minds want to know. This is a class-action suit waiting to happen.
All I've got to say is it's hard for me to believe that Carrier IQ is the only company that is offering this type of software ability. So my question is who else has this ability and what are they doing with it, and am I paying for their data transfer when they data mine? I know my feature phone turns on at 2:10 AM every single day and is doing something I have not approved. This Carrier IQ disclosure has opened Pandora's box and caught the telcos red-handed.
Inquiring minds want to know. This is a class-action suit waiting to happen.
Are are there such analytics being recorded from within specific apps because the apps include them. I don't think Apple's app filtering process would notice or care.
Yes we need more sponsorship and more government involvement. That way nothing will get done. We can all go back to cell phones the size of your fore arm.
Are are there such analytics being recorded from within specific apps because the apps include them. I don't think Apple's app filtering process would notice or care.
I don't know what Apple's filters have to do with it. I doubt Apple curation actually reverse engineers the source. What we customers need is a software product like Little Snitch for our iOS and Android devices.
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It's a carrier issue, not an Android issue. The Nexus phones, among with others, do not feature this tracking software at all.
Ummm no:
"Carrier IQ diagnostic software comes installed on many phones including Android, Nokia and BlackBerry devices. Carrier IQ software was later discovered on iOS devices but it appears to be benign."
http://www.techworld.com.au/article/...ions_answered/
The Nexus phones, among with others, do not feature this tracking software at all.
Ummm no:
"Carrier IQ diagnostic software comes installed on many phones including Android, Nokia and BlackBerry devices. Carrier IQ software was later discovered on iOS devices but it appears to be benign."
http://www.techworld.com.au/article/...ions_answered/
Ummm yes, from your article link:
The Verge is reporting that Carrier IQ software is not on Motorola's Xoom or Nexus-branded Android phones including the Nexus One, Nexus S, and Galaxy Nexus.
Originally Posted by redbarchetta
Ummm yes, from your article link:
The Verge is reporting that Carrier IQ software is not on Motorola's Xoom or Nexus-branded Android phones including the Nexus One, Nexus S, and Galaxy Nexus.
He/she said this is not an Android issue. Apparently you didn't read his statement or the article. Again. ummmmmm no.
Also from the article:
Can Carrier IQ software be removed?
It doesn't appear to be possible to remove this software on an Android phone unless you have a rooted device.
Paul says you can stop Carrier IQ on iOS 5 devices by turning off "Diagnostics and Usage" in the Settings application.
If they're not, I hope you'll do the decent thing, and apologize.
PS: Response to Gatorguy above.
Apple's been pretty clear about this: no personal information of any kind has been logged. If they are dissembling, they should be taken to task.
If they're not, I hope you'll do the decent thing, and apologize.
PS: Response to Gatorguy above.
Apologize? For what exactly?
I've apologized a few times here in the forums when I've been wrong. I do try to "do the decent thing" with all my replies, and not at all embarrassed to be shown incorrect. I don't think I've made any unsupported claims in this thread.
He/she said this is not an Android issue. Apparently you didn't read his statement or the article. Again. ummmmmm no.
I don't believe it is an issue with Android itself. It's a carrier initiative for the most part, and also used by some manufacturers for new device diagnostics according to reports I've read. Some Apple, Android, and Blackberry phones have all been implicated in some manner. Some other reports have also mentioned Nokia, tho I tend to question those.
FWIW there's been little to no evidence that any of the CIQ customers receive personally identifiable info. Every one that has released a statement so far indicates it's supplied to them in anonymized form. That includes Sprint, TMobile, ATT, HTC and Carrier IQ themselves. It doesn't mean they're all telling the entire truth of course, but there's no evidence yet that they're lying either AFAIK.
I would suspect that most disinformation starts with "I would suspect that..."
Since Apple says CIQ isn't used with most of their iOS5 products, that would infer that some are still making use of it. Which one(s) would you guess and for what reason?
Since Apple says CIQ isn't used with most of their iOS5 products, that would infer that some are still making use of it. Which one(s) would you guess and for what reason?
Only one.
iPhone 4 is the only iOS5 device to still have parts of it. No other Apple device running iOS5 has it. And the reason would likely be that Apple hasn't gotten around to stripping it out completely yet.
And it is off by default, people have to turn it on manually. And even if somebody does, then it doesn't track and spy like CIQ does on Android. On Android devices that have CIQ, people do not get any such option, it's on regardless. The system is so open, that they don't even give you a choice if you want to be spied on or not.
. . . On Android devices that have CIQ, people do not get any such option, it's on regardless. The system is so open, that they don't even give you a choice if you want to be spied on or not.
Funny!
Only one.
iPhone 4 is the only iOS5 device to still have parts of it. No other Apple device running iOS5 has it.
And it is off by default, people have to turn it on manually. And even if somebody does, then it doesn't track and spy like CIQ does on Android. On Android devices that have CIQ, people do not get any such option, it's on regardless. The system is so open, that they don't even give you a choice if you want to be spied on or not.
Something I haven't seen discussed? We know Apple hasn't gotten rid of the analytics, but replaced it, likely with their own software. So is Carrier IQ the only company that any low-level analytics for mobile OSes? Do we need to worry about other companies getting access to data that may or may not be anonymizing our data or recording way too much personal data?
So is Carrier IQ the only company that any low-level analytics for mobile OSes?
I believe that AT&T, SPRINT and T-Mobile all admitted to using CIQ.
Verizon said that they do not. They might be completely honest in claiming that and they'd be technically correct. However, what if they're just using something else instead of CIQ?
iPhone 4 is the only iOS5 device to still have parts of it. No other Apple device running iOS5 has it. . .
I think you might be mistaken. If you have a 4S, check to see if you have this file in iOS5: /var/wireless/Library/Logs/awd
It's also reported by one source to still log CarrierIQ data even with "Submit logs to Apple" unchecked. That doesn't mean it's doing anything nefarious. Just pointing out that it may still be resident.
I do as well but wonder why the request is not to the DoJ assess and investigate.
Posturing and spectacle? His background is as an entertainer - your surprised?
I think you might be mistaken. If you have a 4S, check to see if you have this file in iOS5: /var/wireless/Library/Logs/awd
It's also reported by one source to still log CarrierIQ data even with "Submit logs to Apple" unchecked. That doesn't mean it's doing anything nefarious. Just pointing out that it may still be resident.
I'm not the one making the claim, Apple is.
Apple tells us there is only one device running iOS 5 that still runs Carrier IQ, and it's the iPhone 4. Other devices running iOS 5, such as the iPad, the new iPhone 4S, and older iPhone models updated to iOS 5 have had Carrier IQ stripped out. But Apple says it has never used Carrier IQ to record keystrokes or personal messages.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...1#comments-bar
Inquiring minds want to know. This is a class-action suit waiting to happen.
All I've got to say is it's hard for me to believe that Carrier IQ is the only company that is offering this type of software ability. So my question is who else has this ability and what are they doing with it, and am I paying for their data transfer when they data mine? I know my feature phone turns on at 2:10 AM every single day and is doing something I have not approved. This Carrier IQ disclosure has opened Pandora's box and caught the telcos red-handed.
Inquiring minds want to know. This is a class-action suit waiting to happen.
Are are there such analytics being recorded from within specific apps because the apps include them. I don't think Apple's app filtering process would notice or care.
Are are there such analytics being recorded from within specific apps because the apps include them. I don't think Apple's app filtering process would notice or care.
I don't know what Apple's filters have to do with it. I doubt Apple curation actually reverse engineers the source. What we customers need is a software product like Little Snitch for our iOS and Android devices.