Carrier IQ data logging controversy prompts scrutiny from US Senate

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  • Reply 61 of 98
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
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    Originally Posted by redbarchetta View Post


    It's a carrier issue, not an Android issue. The Nexus phones, among with others, do not feature this tracking software at all.



    Ummm no:

    "Carrier IQ diagnostic software comes installed on many phones including Android, Nokia and BlackBerry devices. Carrier IQ software was later discovered on iOS devices but it appears to be benign."



    http://www.techworld.com.au/article/...ions_answered/
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  • Reply 62 of 98
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    Originally Posted by redbarchetta

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by redbarchetta


    The Nexus phones, among with others, do not feature this tracking software at all.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Splif View Post


    Ummm no:

    "Carrier IQ diagnostic software comes installed on many phones including Android, Nokia and BlackBerry devices. Carrier IQ software was later discovered on iOS devices but it appears to be benign."



    http://www.techworld.com.au/article/...ions_answered/



    Ummm yes, from your article link:

    The Verge is reporting that Carrier IQ software is not on Motorola's Xoom or Nexus-branded Android phones including the Nexus One, Nexus S, and Galaxy Nexus.
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  • Reply 63 of 98
    splifsplif Posts: 603member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Originally Posted by redbarchetta









    Ummm yes, from your article link:

    The Verge is reporting that Carrier IQ software is not on Motorola's Xoom or Nexus-branded Android phones including the Nexus One, Nexus S, and Galaxy Nexus.



    He/she said this is not an Android issue. Apparently you didn't read his statement or the article. Again. ummmmmm no.



    Also from the article:

    Can Carrier IQ software be removed?



    It doesn't appear to be possible to remove this software on an Android phone unless you have a rooted device.



    Paul says you can stop Carrier IQ on iOS 5 devices by turning off "Diagnostics and Usage" in the Settings application.
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  • Reply 64 of 98
    Apple's been pretty clear about this: no personal information of any kind has been logged. If they are dissembling, they should be taken to task.



    If they're not, I hope you'll do the decent thing, and apologize.



    PS: Response to Gatorguy above.
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  • Reply 65 of 98
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
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    Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post


    Apple's been pretty clear about this: no personal information of any kind has been logged. If they are dissembling, they should be taken to task.



    If they're not, I hope you'll do the decent thing, and apologize.



    PS: Response to Gatorguy above.



    Apologize? For what exactly?



    I've apologized a few times here in the forums when I've been wrong. I do try to "do the decent thing" with all my replies, and not at all embarrassed to be shown incorrect. I don't think I've made any unsupported claims in this thread.
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  • Reply 66 of 98
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Splif View Post


    He/she said this is not an Android issue. Apparently you didn't read his statement or the article. Again. ummmmmm no.



    I don't believe it is an issue with Android itself. It's a carrier initiative for the most part, and also used by some manufacturers for new device diagnostics according to reports I've read. Some Apple, Android, and Blackberry phones have all been implicated in some manner. Some other reports have also mentioned Nokia, tho I tend to question those.



    FWIW there's been little to no evidence that any of the CIQ customers receive personally identifiable info. Every one that has released a statement so far indicates it's supplied to them in anonymized form. That includes Sprint, TMobile, ATT, HTC and Carrier IQ themselves. It doesn't mean they're all telling the entire truth of course, but there's no evidence yet that they're lying either AFAIK.
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  • Reply 67 of 98
    I would suspect that most disinformation starts with "I would suspect that..."
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  • Reply 68 of 98
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
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    I would suspect that most disinformation starts with "I would suspect that..."



    Since Apple says CIQ isn't used with most of their iOS5 products, that would infer that some are still making use of it. Which one(s) would you guess and for what reason?
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  • Reply 69 of 98
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    Since Apple says CIQ isn't used with most of their iOS5 products, that would infer that some are still making use of it. Which one(s) would you guess and for what reason?



    Only one.



    iPhone 4 is the only iOS5 device to still have parts of it. No other Apple device running iOS5 has it. And the reason would likely be that Apple hasn't gotten around to stripping it out completely yet.



    And it is off by default, people have to turn it on manually. And even if somebody does, then it doesn't track and spy like CIQ does on Android. On Android devices that have CIQ, people do not get any such option, it's on regardless. The system is so open, that they don't even give you a choice if you want to be spied on or not.
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  • Reply 70 of 98
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    . . . On Android devices that have CIQ, people do not get any such option, it's on regardless. The system is so open, that they don't even give you a choice if you want to be spied on or not.



    Funny!
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  • Reply 71 of 98
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    Only one.



    iPhone 4 is the only iOS5 device to still have parts of it. No other Apple device running iOS5 has it.



    And it is off by default, people have to turn it on manually. And even if somebody does, then it doesn't track and spy like CIQ does on Android. On Android devices that have CIQ, people do not get any such option, it's on regardless. The system is so open, that they don't even give you a choice if you want to be spied on or not.



    Something I haven't seen discussed? We know Apple hasn't gotten rid of the analytics, but replaced it, likely with their own software. So is Carrier IQ the only company that any low-level analytics for mobile OSes? Do we need to worry about other companies getting access to data that may or may not be anonymizing our data or recording way too much personal data?
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  • Reply 72 of 98
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    So is Carrier IQ the only company that any low-level analytics for mobile OSes?



    I believe that AT&T, SPRINT and T-Mobile all admitted to using CIQ.



    Verizon said that they do not. They might be completely honest in claiming that and they'd be technically correct. However, what if they're just using something else instead of CIQ?
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  • Reply 73 of 98
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,769member
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    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


    iPhone 4 is the only iOS5 device to still have parts of it. No other Apple device running iOS5 has it. . .



    I think you might be mistaken. If you have a 4S, check to see if you have this file in iOS5: /var/wireless/Library/Logs/awd



    It's also reported by one source to still log CarrierIQ data even with "Submit logs to Apple" unchecked. That doesn't mean it's doing anything nefarious. Just pointing out that it may still be resident.
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  • Reply 74 of 98
    docno42docno42 Posts: 3,764member
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    Originally Posted by ChristophB View Post


    I do as well but wonder why the request is not to the DoJ assess and investigate.



    Posturing and spectacle? His background is as an entertainer - your surprised?
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  • Reply 75 of 98
    apple ][apple ][ Posts: 9,233member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    I think you might be mistaken. If you have a 4S, check to see if you have this file in iOS5: /var/wireless/Library/Logs/awd



    It's also reported by one source to still log CarrierIQ data even with "Submit logs to Apple" unchecked. That doesn't mean it's doing anything nefarious. Just pointing out that it may still be resident.



    I'm not the one making the claim, Apple is.



    Apple tells us there is only one device running iOS 5 that still runs Carrier IQ, and it's the iPhone 4. Other devices running iOS 5, such as the iPad, the new iPhone 4S, and older iPhone models updated to iOS 5 have had Carrier IQ stripped out. But Apple says it has never used Carrier IQ to record keystrokes or personal messages.



    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...1#comments-bar
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  • Reply 76 of 98
    It's clear, from the PROOF SUBMITTED, that Carrier IQ IS a clandestine logger and is being used by manufacturers and especially the carriers, as a wiretap device. Thanks Cheeeney.... You and your pack of neo-nut clowns started this - now, we're going to finish it.
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  • Reply 77 of 98
    All I've got to say is it's hard for me to believe that Carrier IQ is the only company that is offering this type of software ability. So my question is who else has this ability and what are they doing with it, and am I paying for their data transfer when they data mine? I know my feature phone turns on at 2:10 AM every single day and is doing something I have not approved. This Carrier IQ disclosure has opened Pandora's box and caught the telcos red-handed.



    Inquiring minds want to know. This is a class-action suit waiting to happen.
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  • Reply 78 of 98
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ljocampo View Post


    All I've got to say is it's hard for me to believe that Carrier IQ is the only company that is offering this type of software ability. So my question is who else has this ability and what are they doing with it, and am I paying for their data transfer when they data mine? I know my feature phone turns on at 2:10 AM every single day and is doing something I have not approved. This Carrier IQ disclosure has opened Pandora's box and caught the telcos red-handed.



    Inquiring minds want to know. This is a class-action suit waiting to happen.



    Are are there such analytics being recorded from within specific apps because the apps include them. I don't think Apple's app filtering process would notice or care.
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  • Reply 79 of 98
    tylerk36tylerk36 Posts: 1,037member
    Yes we need more sponsorship and more government involvement. That way nothing will get done. We can all go back to cell phones the size of your fore arm.
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  • Reply 80 of 98
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    Are are there such analytics being recorded from within specific apps because the apps include them. I don't think Apple's app filtering process would notice or care.



    I don't know what Apple's filters have to do with it. I doubt Apple curation actually reverse engineers the source. What we customers need is a software product like Little Snitch for our iOS and Android devices.
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