I'm sick of these lawsuits. These two need to settle soon. All this does is distract from innovation. If Samsung or Apple are found in violation then they need to cross-license or change their designs.
Enough with the frivolous lawsuits Apple, Samsung. We'd rather you spend your resources on product development than petty bickering.
There's actually nothing "frivolous" about the lawsuits. Apple believes Samsung is stealing their intellectual property, and I agree. Kudos to Apple for bringing this egregious problem into the limelight.
I thought the smart cover design was based off of the 3rd party iPad 1 case.
Apple likely has patents on the attachments (rightfully) but the case design isn't theirs.
Depends on what Apple did. If they bought the patent or not. There also could be specific differences between the original and the smart cover that allow for Apple to hold a patent on said design. Remember these are lawyers making these rules whatever it takes to get that million dollar retainer.
Then again, we all know these lawsuits is an indirect attack at Android, not Samsung.
No, not in the slightest. Any hardware lawsuits, like this one and the many others, are directed at Samsung. Anything software-related, like the HTC lawsuits, ARE proxies because Apple's either terrified of suing Google directly or they feel that a lawsuit of that magnitude would take more than a decade to resolve (like the original one. You know the one).
It figures: the case is also a thin rectangle with rounded corners.
Another fandroid stating the iphone and ipad are obvious designs and aren't special. It's just funny how these "obvious" design cues came after the iPhone and iPad are released.
As for the cover, I'm pretty sure it's not the shape of the cover that is patented.
Long term, this may end up being great for Korea. Korea has always had a "copy society" .. someone needs to push them into the deep side of the pool and get them to swim for themselves.
If they don't swim for themselves, eventually a bigger, badder copier (*cough* China *cough*), will drive their margins into the ground and they'll have a big problem.
I'm all for Apple forcing this issue and trying to "fix Korea".
That is the truth, but I think the Asian market in general is all copy/ ripoff. Take a look here at this photo I took on a train into Seoul last year.
Look closely and see. Pretty amazing that the North Face company hasn't gotten wind of it.
All of the people whining about lawsuits have no clue.
Apple should keep up with the lawsuits, and they should sue anybody who is found to have been infringing upon their patents.
Agreed.
Unfortunately, the patent system is currently almost completely irrelevant. It's really the opposite of the "overbearing" or "interfering" or "unfair" system that most people seem to portray it as in the comments. It doesn't interfere with innovation even when it works, but mostly it doesn't even work anymore.
Apple's experience is very illustrative here.
I mean they really *did* invent all this stuff, they really *were* first with all this technology and yet even though they patented it like crazy and are spending hundreds of millions in lawsuits around the planet, they are still losing out to their competitors (and "the copyist"), in terms of infringement issues.
If that's not the biggest indicator of how completely toothless the patent system currently is I don't know what is.
I thought the smart cover design was based off of the 3rd party iPad 1 case.
Apple likely has patents on the attachments (rightfully) but the case design isn't theirs.
No. This is just one of the many popular misconceptions floating around because idiots basically rule on teh Internets.
All of these arguments about design issues and patents are the same. A lot of fools with no knowledge of the law or design or technology see something that looks kinda the same and scream "copy!" without really knowing what constitutes a copy, how closely it has to be copied, what the difference between a design patent and a hardware patent is, the difference between copyright and trademark, etc. etc. etc.
There was a fold up case for iPad one (not magnetic), that was similar to the design for the iPad cover. "Similar" is not the same as "copy" however, and the main features of the iPad case that make it unique were not present in that design. There is actually a magnetic bathtub cover sold in Japan that is far more similar but again ... only "similar" not a "copy."
Unfortunately, the patent system is currently almost completely irrelevant. It's really the opposite of the "overbearing" or "interfering" or "unfair" system that most people seem to portray it as in the comments. It doesn't interfere with innovation even when it works, but mostly it doesn't even work anymore.
Apple's experience is very illustrative here.
I mean they really *did* invent all this stuff, they really *were* first with all this technology and yet even though they patented it like crazy and are spending hundreds of millions in lawsuits around the planet, they are still losing out to their competitors (and "the copyist"), in terms of infringement issues.
If that's not the biggest indicator of how completely toothless the patent system currently is I don't know what is.
Err...you are serious? They invented tablets? Smartphones? Mobile MP3 players? What exactly are you saying they 'were' first to invent???
Long term, this may end up being great for Korea. Korea has always had a "copy society" .. someone needs to push them into the deep side of the pool and get them to swim for themselves.
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I'm all for Apple forcing this issue and trying to "fix Korea".
That would be why worldwide, Samsung are second only to IBM for patents granted, with Apple way behind.
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I'm sick of these lawsuits. These two need to settle soon. All this does is distract from innovation. If Samsung or Apple are found in violation then they need to cross-license or change their designs.
Which is what the lawsuits are all about
Apple should keep up with the lawsuits, and they should sue anybody who is found to have been infringing upon their patents.
Enough with the frivolous lawsuits Apple, Samsung. We'd rather you spend your resources on product development than petty bickering.
There's actually nothing "frivolous" about the lawsuits. Apple believes Samsung is stealing their intellectual property, and I agree. Kudos to Apple for bringing this egregious problem into the limelight.
I thought the smart cover design was based off of the 3rd party iPad 1 case.
Apple likely has patents on the attachments (rightfully) but the case design isn't theirs.
If what you said is true why did the 3rd party iPad 1 case not available from iPad 2?
I thought the smart cover design was based off of the 3rd party iPad 1 case.
Apple likely has patents on the attachments (rightfully) but the case design isn't theirs.
Depends on what Apple did. If they bought the patent or not. There also could be specific differences between the original and the smart cover that allow for Apple to hold a patent on said design. Remember these are lawyers making these rules whatever it takes to get that million dollar retainer.
Then again, we all know these lawsuits is an indirect attack at Android, not Samsung.
Enough with the frivolous lawsuits Apple, Samsung. We'd rather you spend your resources on product development than petty bickering.
Then again, we all know these lawsuits is an indirect attack at Android, not Samsung.
No, not in the slightest. Any hardware lawsuits, like this one and the many others, are directed at Samsung. Anything software-related, like the HTC lawsuits, ARE proxies because Apple's either terrified of suing Google directly or they feel that a lawsuit of that magnitude would take more than a decade to resolve (like the original one. You know the one).
It figures: the case is also a thin rectangle with rounded corners.
You'll want to knock that off.
It figures: the case is also a thin rectangle with rounded corners.
Another fandroid stating the iphone and ipad are obvious designs and aren't special. It's just funny how these "obvious" design cues came after the iPhone and iPad are released.
As for the cover, I'm pretty sure it's not the shape of the cover that is patented.
Long term, this may end up being great for Korea. Korea has always had a "copy society" .. someone needs to push them into the deep side of the pool and get them to swim for themselves.
If they don't swim for themselves, eventually a bigger, badder copier (*cough* China *cough*), will drive their margins into the ground and they'll have a big problem.
I'm all for Apple forcing this issue and trying to "fix Korea".
That is the truth, but I think the Asian market in general is all copy/ ripoff. Take a look here at this photo I took on a train into Seoul last year.
Look closely and see. Pretty amazing that the North Face company hasn't gotten wind of it.
That is the truth, but I think the Asian market in general is all copy/ ripoff. Take a look here at this photo I took on a train into Seoul last year.
Look closely and see. Pretty amazing that the North Face company hasn't gotten wind of it.
We can't look closely because the website on which that's hosted requires a password? Could you rehost it on Imgur or make it smaller or something?
All of the people whining about lawsuits have no clue.
Apple should keep up with the lawsuits, and they should sue anybody who is found to have been infringing upon their patents.
Agreed.
Unfortunately, the patent system is currently almost completely irrelevant. It's really the opposite of the "overbearing" or "interfering" or "unfair" system that most people seem to portray it as in the comments. It doesn't interfere with innovation even when it works, but mostly it doesn't even work anymore.
Apple's experience is very illustrative here.
I mean they really *did* invent all this stuff, they really *were* first with all this technology and yet even though they patented it like crazy and are spending hundreds of millions in lawsuits around the planet, they are still losing out to their competitors (and "the copyist"), in terms of infringement issues.
If that's not the biggest indicator of how completely toothless the patent system currently is I don't know what is.
We can't look closely because the website on which that's hosted requires a password? Could you rehost it on Imgur or make it smaller or something?
It should be fixed now.
I thought the smart cover design was based off of the 3rd party iPad 1 case.
Apple likely has patents on the attachments (rightfully) but the case design isn't theirs.
No. This is just one of the many popular misconceptions floating around because idiots basically rule on teh Internets.
All of these arguments about design issues and patents are the same. A lot of fools with no knowledge of the law or design or technology see something that looks kinda the same and scream "copy!" without really knowing what constitutes a copy, how closely it has to be copied, what the difference between a design patent and a hardware patent is, the difference between copyright and trademark, etc. etc. etc.
There was a fold up case for iPad one (not magnetic), that was similar to the design for the iPad cover. "Similar" is not the same as "copy" however, and the main features of the iPad case that make it unique were not present in that design. There is actually a magnetic bathtub cover sold in Japan that is far more similar but again ... only "similar" not a "copy."
That is the truth, but I think the Asian market in general is all copy/ ripoff. Take a look here at this photo I took on a train into Seoul last year.
Look closely and see. Pretty amazing that the North Face company hasn't gotten wind of it.
That is truly shameless.
Agreed.
Unfortunately, the patent system is currently almost completely irrelevant. It's really the opposite of the "overbearing" or "interfering" or "unfair" system that most people seem to portray it as in the comments. It doesn't interfere with innovation even when it works, but mostly it doesn't even work anymore.
Apple's experience is very illustrative here.
I mean they really *did* invent all this stuff, they really *were* first with all this technology and yet even though they patented it like crazy and are spending hundreds of millions in lawsuits around the planet, they are still losing out to their competitors (and "the copyist"), in terms of infringement issues.
If that's not the biggest indicator of how completely toothless the patent system currently is I don't know what is.
Err...you are serious? They invented tablets? Smartphones? Mobile MP3 players? What exactly are you saying they 'were' first to invent???
Err...you are serious? They invented tablets? Smartphones? Mobile MP3 players? What exactly are you saying they 'were' first to invent???
Do you know Apple has been named the most innovative company in the world for many years? How does it do that? Have Google been able to do that?
Long term, this may end up being great for Korea. Korea has always had a "copy society" .. someone needs to push them into the deep side of the pool and get them to swim for themselves.
...
I'm all for Apple forcing this issue and trying to "fix Korea".
That would be why worldwide, Samsung are second only to IBM for patents granted, with Apple way behind.
You are jingoistic and arrogant.