I'm still really surprised that so many people are siding with Samsung with these legal matters. Excuses I've heard range from "Oh Apple! Stop suing everyone! Nobody's suing you!" (which is a bunch of bullpucky because they're constantly getting sued by Motorola, HTC, and Samsung) to "Jeeze Apple, you already have more money than God! Do you really need to bankrupt another company?!?" (AKA, "Just let them copy your intellectual property! Share the wealth!")
Here's the fact of the matter: all of these companies would kill to be in Apple's shoes. They want to control the market, and be on the top of everybody's Christmas wishlist. They aren't working with the goal of being second or third best.
I'm sick of these lawsuits. These two need to settle soon. All this does is distract from innovation. If Samsung or Apple are found in violation then they need to cross-license or change their designs.
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Originally Posted by Neo42
Enough with the frivolous lawsuits Apple, Samsung. We'd rather you spend your resources on product development than petty bickering.
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Agreed.
Nonsense. If Apple's IP has been ripped off, they should go after them relentlessly, for all they've got.
Do you know Apple has been named the most innovative company in the world for many years? How does it do that? Have Google been able to do that?
Apple's real innovation is how the user interacts with a device and how well the device responds. They polished what already existed hardware wise but the but the OS is what really makes the device stand out from the pack.
That would be why worldwide, Samsung are second only to IBM for patents granted, with Apple way behind.
1) Number of patents means nothing necessarily about innovative abilities.
2) Which of the 35 or so different "Samsung" companies are you talking about as being second? (They are in just about every conceivable business, from shipbuilding to petrochemicals to hotels to chips to telecom and everything in-between.) All of them? Just the telecom piece?
Apple's real innovation is how the user interacts with a device and how well the device responds. They polished what already existed hardware wise but the but the OS is what really makes the device stand out from the pack.
Exactly. Apple didn't invent the mouse, neither did Xerox, but Apple took the existing design, made it better and incorporated it into the first home pc. It's been a household staple ever since. Appledidn't invent the usb port, but it made it a household name. Apple didn't invent the mp3 player, tablet or phone, but it innovated the existing idea into something that everyone wanted and every company wanted to copy. Now we are seeing the exact same thing happen in the ultrabook's. Everyone is copying Apple's design, some more than others *cough* Asus *cough*.
And it is the way that Apple builds the existing products at people actually want that gets patented. Samesung is mearly one of many southeast Asian companies that are attempting to steel what they can off of Apple and then hopefully play the legal game to their benefit.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Samesung will come out with their newly designed tablet exactly 3 months after Apple shows off the iPad 3. They learned their lesson after the original Galaxy Tab 10.1 and iPad 2 fiasco. Samesung went back to the drawing board after seeing the iPad 2 and low and behold the orginal 10.1 got dumped.
Sorry to the trigger happy Apple lawyers, but its been confirmed already that the case isnt even made by Samsung itself.
It's made by a third party maker.
Which case are you referring to?
The case that looks exactly like Apple's Smart Cover is made by a third party, but Samsun has an official Galaxy Tab case. How do you know that Apple isn't suing over Samsung's case?
1) Number of patents means nothing necessarily about innovative abilities.
2) Which of the 35 or so different "Samsung" companies are you talking about as being second? (They are in just about every conceivable business, from shipbuilding to petrochemicals to hotels to chips to telecom and everything in-between.) All of them? Just the telecom piece?
Patents are new ideas or thoughts that are economically valuable enough to warrant legal protection.
Therefore, the more numbers of patents you have, the more valuable assets (intangible).
Your need to first define what "innovative" means. A new production process where yields are increased by 10 folds can be deemed "innovative" if your definition is anything that uses ingenuity and new thinking to conquer current problems in new way.
Samsung Electronics holds the most patents amongst all the subsidiary under the Samsung Group. Therefore, it could be safe to assume that the #2 position goes to that company.
The case that looks exactly like Apple's Smart Cover is made by a third party, but Samsun has an official Galaxy Tab case. How do you know that Apple isn't suing over Samsung's case?
Because that is what AI's picture reference points to.
Patents are new ideas or thoughts that are economically valuable enough to warrant legal protection.
Therefore, the more numbers of patents you have, the more valuable assets (intangible).
Umm... I was referring to considerable research that had examined the links between patent quality and innovative ability, and concludes that simple comparisons - esp. international comparisons - of patent quantity as a proxy for innovative ability creates all sorts of problems.
Propensity to patent and the value of patents differ across firms within an industry, across industries within a country, and most significantly, across countries. National patent systems are particularly thorny to compare because the degree of novelty required to patent, legislative issues, and the 'first-to-file' and the 'first-to-invent' system etc differ across countries.
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Samsung Electronics holds the most patents amongst all the subsidiary under the Samsung Group. Therefore, it could be safe to assume that the #2 position goes to that company.
Sorry to the trigger happy Apple lawyers, but its been confirmed already that the case isnt even made by Samsung itself.
It's made by a third party maker.
Apple needs to rein in its legal team. If they have so little information before they pull the trigger that they don;t even sue the proper party in interest, that is pathetic.
another fandroid stating the iphone and ipad are obvious designs and aren't special. It's just funny how these "obvious" design cues came after the iphone and ipad are released.
Very true. Yet the OP never said that Apple invented tablets. They invented and innovated much of the tech used in phones and tablets that disrupted existing markets for these products, innovations that many others have been copying in order to catch up.
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Here's the fact of the matter: all of these companies would kill to be in Apple's shoes. They want to control the market, and be on the top of everybody's Christmas wishlist. They aren't working with the goal of being second or third best.
I'm sick of these lawsuits. These two need to settle soon. All this does is distract from innovation. If Samsung or Apple are found in violation then they need to cross-license or change their designs.
Enough with the frivolous lawsuits Apple, Samsung. We'd rather you spend your resources on product development than petty bickering.
Agreed.
Nonsense. If Apple's IP has been ripped off, they should go after them relentlessly, for all they've got.
Do you know Apple has been named the most innovative company in the world for many years? How does it do that? Have Google been able to do that?
Apple's real innovation is how the user interacts with a device and how well the device responds. They polished what already existed hardware wise but the but the OS is what really makes the device stand out from the pack.
That would be why worldwide, Samsung are second only to IBM for patents granted, with Apple way behind.
1) Number of patents means nothing necessarily about innovative abilities.
2) Which of the 35 or so different "Samsung" companies are you talking about as being second? (They are in just about every conceivable business, from shipbuilding to petrochemicals to hotels to chips to telecom and everything in-between.) All of them? Just the telecom piece?
It's made by a third party maker.
Apple's real innovation is how the user interacts with a device and how well the device responds. They polished what already existed hardware wise but the but the OS is what really makes the device stand out from the pack.
Exactly. Apple didn't invent the mouse, neither did Xerox, but Apple took the existing design, made it better and incorporated it into the first home pc. It's been a household staple ever since. Appledidn't invent the usb port, but it made it a household name. Apple didn't invent the mp3 player, tablet or phone, but it innovated the existing idea into something that everyone wanted and every company wanted to copy. Now we are seeing the exact same thing happen in the ultrabook's. Everyone is copying Apple's design, some more than others *cough* Asus *cough*.
And it is the way that Apple builds the existing products at people actually want that gets patented. Samesung is mearly one of many southeast Asian companies that are attempting to steel what they can off of Apple and then hopefully play the legal game to their benefit.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... Samesung will come out with their newly designed tablet exactly 3 months after Apple shows off the iPad 3. They learned their lesson after the original Galaxy Tab 10.1 and iPad 2 fiasco. Samesung went back to the drawing board after seeing the iPad 2 and low and behold the orginal 10.1 got dumped.
Sorry to the trigger happy Apple lawyers, but its been confirmed already that the case isnt even made by Samsung itself.
It's made by a third party maker.
Sure about that?
Sorry to the trigger happy Apple lawyers, but its been confirmed already that the case isnt even made by Samsung itself.
It's made by a third party maker.
Which case are you referring to?
The case that looks exactly like Apple's Smart Cover is made by a third party, but Samsun has an official Galaxy Tab case. How do you know that Apple isn't suing over Samsung's case?
1) Number of patents means nothing necessarily about innovative abilities.
2) Which of the 35 or so different "Samsung" companies are you talking about as being second? (They are in just about every conceivable business, from shipbuilding to petrochemicals to hotels to chips to telecom and everything in-between.) All of them? Just the telecom piece?
Patents are new ideas or thoughts that are economically valuable enough to warrant legal protection.
Therefore, the more numbers of patents you have, the more valuable assets (intangible).
Your need to first define what "innovative" means. A new production process where yields are increased by 10 folds can be deemed "innovative" if your definition is anything that uses ingenuity and new thinking to conquer current problems in new way.
Samsung Electronics holds the most patents amongst all the subsidiary under the Samsung Group. Therefore, it could be safe to assume that the #2 position goes to that company.
Which case are you referring to?
The case that looks exactly like Apple's Smart Cover is made by a third party, but Samsun has an official Galaxy Tab case. How do you know that Apple isn't suing over Samsung's case?
Because that is what AI's picture reference points to.
AI is ALWAYS correct.
Patents are new ideas or thoughts that are economically valuable enough to warrant legal protection.
Therefore, the more numbers of patents you have, the more valuable assets (intangible).
Umm... I was referring to considerable research that had examined the links between patent quality and innovative ability, and concludes that simple comparisons - esp. international comparisons - of patent quantity as a proxy for innovative ability creates all sorts of problems.
Propensity to patent and the value of patents differ across firms within an industry, across industries within a country, and most significantly, across countries. National patent systems are particularly thorny to compare because the degree of novelty required to patent, legislative issues, and the 'first-to-file' and the 'first-to-invent' system etc differ across countries.
Samsung Electronics holds the most patents amongst all the subsidiary under the Samsung Group. Therefore, it could be safe to assume that the #2 position goes to that company.
I'd like to see a cite for that.
Sorry to the trigger happy Apple lawyers, but its been confirmed already that the case isnt even made by Samsung itself.
It's made by a third party maker.
Apple needs to rein in its legal team. If they have so little information before they pull the trigger that they don;t even sue the proper party in interest, that is pathetic.
another fandroid stating the iphone and ipad are obvious designs and aren't special. It's just funny how these "obvious" design cues came after the iphone and ipad are released.
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like!
I'd like to see a cite for that.
I somehow doubt that. But here you go anyway:
2 Samsung Electronics Co Ltd (Korea) 4551
http://www.ificlaims.com/news/top-patents.html
http://www.ificlaims.com/news/top-patents.html
Fair enough. Thanks.
http://www.japanprobe.com/2011/12/10...nese-products/
Do you know Apple has been named the most innovative company in the world for many years? How does it do that? Have Google been able to do that?
Innovate and invent aren't the same thing.
Innovate and invent aren't the same thing.
Very true. Yet the OP never said that Apple invented tablets. They invented and innovated much of the tech used in phones and tablets that disrupted existing markets for these products, innovations that many others have been copying in order to catch up.
Did Samsung seriously think they would get away with this? They deserve to get sued.