I came across the PERFECT description of Android, by President Jimmy Carter from 1979:
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There are two paths to choose. One is a path I've warned about tonight, the path that leads to fragmentation and self-interest. Down that road lies a mistaken idea of freedom, the right to grasp for ourselves some advantage over others. That path would be one of constant conflict between narrow interests ending in chaos and immobility. It is a certain route to failure.
Wow. Doesn't that just brilliantly describe Android? And the use of the word "immobility"... haha, so perfect.
Your Mommy and Daddy won't be doing that , you IDIOT
but hey won't care either cuz unlike you they aren't a pimple faced nerd
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Originally Posted by Neo42
Fortunately anyone who is willing to spend 10 min reading and 10 min on their computer will most likely be able to flash a custom ROM. Heck, there are no tablets for sale yet that come with ICS yet it's been shown running on a few in the wild already!
Fortunately anyone who is willing to spend 10 min reading and 10 min on their computer will most likely be able to flash a custom ROM. Heck, there are no tablets for sale yet that come with ICS yet it's been shown running on a few in the wild already!
Great. I'll let my parents know, they should have no trouble using your handy guide and screwing around with custom roms, terminal commands and whatever other crap they need to do to get last years phone upgraded to a new release.
I'm running ios5 on my 3GS, and very happy to be so, message notifications etc, all benefits that would not be with me if i was unable to update my ios on my 3GS.. just sayin
Its funny and all, they are quite new devices and all but.....
Saying the 3GS runs iOS5 is something of joke. Most of the cool newness in iOS5 is lost on the 3GS. Yes, its running the latest and greatest but not in a feature for feature contest. Just saying.
Obviously you have not run it on a 3GS. It runs fine, smoother even than ios4.
It has
iMessage
Notifications
Newsstand
Reminders
AirPlay
The stuff it doesn't have is limited to hardware. E.g FaceTime
Great. I'll let my parents know, they should have no trouble using your handy guide and screwing around with custom roms, terminal commands and whatever other crap they need to do to get last years phone upgraded to a new release.
Or they could just get an iPhone.
1. Terminal commands? Where do you people come up with this? If you can jailbreak an iphone you can change the ROM on your android.
2. If you don't care what version of Android you are running like a majority of the people, you won't have to learn how to flash a ROM.
3. Devices have full support from the manufacturers and carriers. They do receive updates. Any new phone you buy now will see official ICS in the future.
Before you make some example of locking yourself into a contract with an old Android, people do the same with the iphone 3GS which is still being sold at AT&T. Will that be getting updates 2 years from now? Hell no it won't.
And Apple users are forced to upgrade to get the newest software on their phones too.
Apple knows perfectly well that Siri runs great on the 3GS/4, but they needed to give you a reason to buy a new device. So they held it back.
I don't get this statement. As I write this on my iPad 2, I fail to see how I am not running the full iOS 5. I don't have Siri, but everything else is there. Except that Siri is just an app, that uses new API's to integrate with the OS. I can't find any OS level capability that I am missing on my iPad 2 that is on my iPhone 4S.
The same statement goes for my wife's iPhone 4. After going through all the settings and menus, it appears that she is not missing anything except for the Siri app.
Our sales team all using the iPhone 3GS until their contracts go up for upgrades, all are using iOS 5. There is no noticeable lag, and again, aside from two apps, (FaceTime and Siri) they appear to have everything else that iOS 5 has to offer.
It would be nice for people who claim that there are OS level features missing for different iOS devices that are still being supported officially by Apple to actually back up their claims by at least listing a few...
I mean, the iPad doesn't have native clock, stocks, weather, or calculator apps either. Does that mean it is not running the same OS as the iPhone???
There were of course marketing reasons behind the limitation of Siri to the new iPhone only. Apple always has a "new device only" feature/app. Nothing new here. But there is also credence to the idea that Siri is in fact officially in beta as announced by Apple, and there are teething issues to be worked out with the back end, server capacity, multi-language support, etc, etc... and I suspect that it will become universally available with either the next iPhone or the next major update (read iOS 6) of iOS.
And Mushroom, I am not calling you alone out on this, there are several people seemingly spouting this view without supporting it.
Of course every company has to give incentive to the customer to buy a new product, and being able to do something new and different is a classic way of doing this...but it has nothing to do with the actual OS of the device, unlike the situation that is happening with Android at the moment.
"...Siri was marketing not inability of the hardware to support it?"
1) If you thought it could be for other reasons you certainly don't state them or even elude them.
2) You definitively stated that it was "not the inability of the hardware to support [Siri]."
I'm sorry, but I've got to go with Gatorguy and say that it's your pride and arrogance that won't simply let it be said that the iPhone 3GS hardware can support Siri and that it is Apple's decision to keep it from 3GS. You're the one who felt the need to move the goal posts and say it's on the server side. Sorry, but the Siri servers ARE NOT part of the 3GS hardware.
1. Terminal commands? Where do you people come up with this? If you can jailbreak an iphone you can change the ROM on your android.
2. If you don't care what version of Android you are running like a majority of the people, you won't have to learn how to flash a ROM.
3. Devices have full support from the manufacturers and carriers. They do receive updates. Any new phone you buy now will see official ICS in the future.
Before you make some example of locking yourself into a contract with an old Android, people do the same with the iphone 3GS which is still being sold at AT&T. Will that be getting updates 2 years from now? Hell no it won't.
I agree with points 1 and 2. What updates are available for Android devices that you refer to in point 3? When I had the HTC magic in 2009-2010 that came with Donut, I never ever received a software update from either HTC or my carrier, in this case Three.
In the second part of your third point, you state that all new phones will get ICS in the future...when is that, 2013? Or will they procrastinate long enough that they will stop selling those phones and already have the next generation of models selling, so just skip the upgrade all together? It has already been well documented that ICS will not be coming to anything except the Nexus phone until at least mid 2012, this being due to a double "certification" process by manufacturers and carriers, who will then decide arbitrarily which models will get it, and which they will leave out in the cold.
The thing is, Mushroom, I agree that it isn't entirely Google's fault. There are too many profit-driven corporations standing in between Android and 99% of the population of the OS's end users. With iOS end users benefit because there is only one profit driven corporation between them and the end product. As long as this is the case, Android will never be vertically integrated and will never be able to match iOS for user experience and integration.
I know because I've been there. I even used Android x86 on my Asus eeePC 901 netbook to make as streamlined as possible for a quick surfer before I wisened up and just got myself an iPad instead. I had to teach myself terminal commands to install it and get it working with all of the hardware on my netbook. I Googled for and found instructions, tips, and walkthroughs on how to do it. I am relatively tech savvy, and into computers, and this process still took me a few days to get everything the way I wanted it. I know that the process for installing a custom ROM on a phone is much simpler than this, but it still requires a Google or three, and comes at the risk of bricking your device, and also has the disadvantage of not being supported at all by the manufacturer, carrier, or Google itself, making the user literally on their own with nowhere to turn for official support.
My point is, that in your last paragraph, you argue that getting a new 3GS for free in combination with a cell phone contract is the same as doing it with an "old" Android phone. Is that Android phone a 3 year old model as the 3GS is? No it is not, it is at the oldest a late 2010 model. In two years, the 3GS will be 5 years old. That is ancient in terms of cellular phones! If iOS 5 is the 3GS's final supported update, then it has had a far longer and more glorious run than any Android device!
Like you, the idea of an open source, free and accessible mobile OS is very attractive to me. But unlike you, I recognise that Android is not it in practice, it is too much risk and work for the end user, unless you are into that sort of thing, and then it is awesome (if you are willing to put up with the sub-par UI interface performance). A bit like communism, in its ideal form it would be great, but in its real world practical form, it sucks, and nobody wins instead of everybody winning.
iOS 5 added many many new features over iOS 4 of which Siri was just one, albeit a very "cool" and marketable one.
The iPhone 4 and 3GS still got pretty much all of the rest of the new features, the most significant ones for me being iMessage and iCloud syncing.
Whether the omission of Siri from older devices was purely down to marketing or not is irrelevant - what Samsung have announced is the equivalent of Apple saying that the iPhone 4/3GS can't/won't run Siri so lets just not give those devices iOS 5 at all.
If I'd bought an expensive supposedly top end phone less than a year ago that was then declared incompatible with the very next major OS release I would be mighty pissed right now. Luckily I got an iPhone 4 which has already taken the iOS 4 to iOS 5 upgrade with zero issues and assuming I don't upgrade to the iPhone 5(?) when that comes out next year I still fully expect to be able to run iOS 6 on it even if I don't get all of the brand new toys.
You want to buy a Galaxy S?
We still sell them here in Australia, an 8GB model, part of Samsung copying EVERYTHING Apple does, apart from the software updates that is.
Did you miss the part where Apple watered down the update to give you SOME incentive to upgrade your device?
What is watered down? I have a dozen close friends, all running iOS 5 on their iPhone 3GS or 4, and the only software feature we've found they don't have that I do have on my 4S is Airplay mirroring. That, like Siri, is billed as an iPhone 4S 'exclusive'. How is that running a 'watered down' iOS update?
In fact, my brother and his wife swear that 5.0.1 runs better on their 3GS iPhones than 4.3.5 ever did.
it's funny.. if Apples does it (with Siri), it's ok since they are just trying to sell more iPhone 4S. If anyone else does it, it's dumb fragmentation.. LOL
I love how desparate the Samesung Fandroids are. Comparing not being able to run one feature of the OS on an older phone to not upgrading the entire OS. Android is so fragmented with each cloner desparate to add their horrible layers on top to try and differentiate from other cloners it is just one bigger steaming pile when all is said and done. No wonder Android is so insecure and unreliable.
...Samsung want you to read between the line. It says' Buy Galaxy S2 already!'
Not much different from when Apple dumped Carbon to send the message' Buy Intel Mac already!'
Anyway, it sems ICS needs more overhead power to run that perhaps no single-core with less than 1GHz can handle. But That's what dual-core handsets are for in Samsung's point of view. Acer and LG have theirs coming out since Feb 2010, Galaxy S2 start shipping in Thailand from June onward. 7-inch Galaxy Tab no longer sold new so it doesn't count.
For those of you who have I9000(Galaxy S) or I9003(Galaxy SE), you can just upgrade it to Gingerbread and leave it there until the phone dies. Most iPhone customers in Thailand actually do that, and you might as well. With PAYG 3G SIM card for ฿300, ฿0.75 per minute for data under 200MB and most phone kiosks in shopping malls can jailbreak one for you in one hour it isn't that difficult.
3. Devices have full support from the manufacturers and carriers. They do receive updates. Any new phone you buy now will see official ICS in the future.
OK you say "new phone" here. Do you mean newly released, new to you, anything currently available from carriers? I'm assuming you mean newly released, but people could read it as any of those 3. Taking a quick glance at Sprint's available Android phones, I can almost guarantee most of those will never receive ICS. I'll be shocked if even a third of them do.
...Samsung want you to read between the line. It says' Buy Galaxy S2 already!'
Not much different from when Apple dumped Carbon to send the message' Buy Intel Mac already!'
So Apple from the beginning calling all of their backwards compatibility items like Classic mode, Rosetta and the 32 bit API of Carbon as temporary bridge items is disingenious? It was announced in 2007 that if you wanted to go 64 bit on the Mac you had to code in Cocoa. This is 2 years after the announced transition to Intel and a year after Rosetta was introduced to smooth the transition to Intel.
Apple has never made a secret of how they leave the past behind and anyone (like Adobe did) who claims to have been caught w/their pants down by Cocoa is full of shit. Snow Leopard didn't come out until late August 2009, 4 years after the announcement. That was the first version that could not be installed on a PPC. You could still run PPC apps on Snow Leopard and Lion finally removed that ability when it came out this year, you know, a good 6 years after the announcement. Most of my friends have already bought 2 new PCs in that timeframe and potentially several other upgrades along the way.
This really isn't the same at all. Samsung won't even support year old products.
Those are all meaningless words to 99% of consumers who just want the phone to work and have a pleasant experience using it. Despite what you and others who frequent these forums may think, it is just a tiny minority of smartphone users who want to jailbreak, flash, install custom ROMs, etc. It's funny that you need to do all of those things to Android in order for it to be attractive and usable.
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There are two paths to choose. One is a path I've warned about tonight, the path that leads to fragmentation and self-interest. Down that road lies a mistaken idea of freedom, the right to grasp for ourselves some advantage over others. That path would be one of constant conflict between narrow interests ending in chaos and immobility. It is a certain route to failure.
Wow. Doesn't that just brilliantly describe Android? And the use of the word "immobility"... haha, so perfect.
Read the full speech here:
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches...confidence.htm
but hey won't care either cuz unlike you they aren't a pimple faced nerd
Fortunately anyone who is willing to spend 10 min reading and 10 min on their computer will most likely be able to flash a custom ROM. Heck, there are no tablets for sale yet that come with ICS yet it's been shown running on a few in the wild already!
Check it out, release candidate for Nexus S ICS rom: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/12/sam...ase-candidate/
Some words.
S W E E T
Custom.
R O M S
Community driven.
O P E N
Fortunately anyone who is willing to spend 10 min reading and 10 min on their computer will most likely be able to flash a custom ROM. Heck, there are no tablets for sale yet that come with ICS yet it's been shown running on a few in the wild already!
Check it out, release candidate for Nexus S ICS rom: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/12/sam...ase-candidate/
Some words.
S W E E T
Custom.
R O M S
Community driven.
O P E N
Great. I'll let my parents know, they should have no trouble using your handy guide and screwing around with custom roms, terminal commands and whatever other crap they need to do to get last years phone upgraded to a new release.
Or they could just get an iPhone.
And Apple users are forced to upgrade to get the newest software on their phones too.
Apple knows perfectly well that Siri runs great on the 3GS/4, but they needed to give you a reason to buy a new device. So they held it back.
No they don't. Did you miss the bit where he says he's running iOS5 on his 3GS?
No they don't. Did you miss the bit where he says he's running iOS5 on his 3GS?
Did you miss the part where Apple watered down the update to give you SOME incentive to upgrade your device?
Its funny and all, they are quite new devices and all but.....
Saying the 3GS runs iOS5 is something of joke. Most of the cool newness in iOS5 is lost on the 3GS. Yes, its running the latest and greatest but not in a feature for feature contest. Just saying.
Obviously you have not run it on a 3GS. It runs fine, smoother even than ios4.
It has
iMessage
Notifications
Newsstand
Reminders
AirPlay
The stuff it doesn't have is limited to hardware. E.g FaceTime
Great. I'll let my parents know, they should have no trouble using your handy guide and screwing around with custom roms, terminal commands and whatever other crap they need to do to get last years phone upgraded to a new release.
Or they could just get an iPhone.
1. Terminal commands? Where do you people come up with this? If you can jailbreak an iphone you can change the ROM on your android.
2. If you don't care what version of Android you are running like a majority of the people, you won't have to learn how to flash a ROM.
3. Devices have full support from the manufacturers and carriers. They do receive updates. Any new phone you buy now will see official ICS in the future.
Before you make some example of locking yourself into a contract with an old Android, people do the same with the iphone 3GS which is still being sold at AT&T. Will that be getting updates 2 years from now? Hell no it won't.
Obviously you have not run it on a 3GS. It runs fine, smoother even than ios4.
It has
iMessage
Notifications
Newsstand
Reminders
AirPlay
The stuff it doesn't have is limited to hardware. E.g FaceTime
Siri too? Is there a siri module inside the phone?
And Apple users are forced to upgrade to get the newest software on their phones too.
Apple knows perfectly well that Siri runs great on the 3GS/4, but they needed to give you a reason to buy a new device. So they held it back.
I don't get this statement. As I write this on my iPad 2, I fail to see how I am not running the full iOS 5. I don't have Siri, but everything else is there. Except that Siri is just an app, that uses new API's to integrate with the OS. I can't find any OS level capability that I am missing on my iPad 2 that is on my iPhone 4S.
The same statement goes for my wife's iPhone 4. After going through all the settings and menus, it appears that she is not missing anything except for the Siri app.
Our sales team all using the iPhone 3GS until their contracts go up for upgrades, all are using iOS 5. There is no noticeable lag, and again, aside from two apps, (FaceTime and Siri) they appear to have everything else that iOS 5 has to offer.
It would be nice for people who claim that there are OS level features missing for different iOS devices that are still being supported officially by Apple to actually back up their claims by at least listing a few...
I mean, the iPad doesn't have native clock, stocks, weather, or calculator apps either. Does that mean it is not running the same OS as the iPhone???
There were of course marketing reasons behind the limitation of Siri to the new iPhone only. Apple always has a "new device only" feature/app. Nothing new here. But there is also credence to the idea that Siri is in fact officially in beta as announced by Apple, and there are teething issues to be worked out with the back end, server capacity, multi-language support, etc, etc... and I suspect that it will become universally available with either the next iPhone or the next major update (read iOS 6) of iOS.
And Mushroom, I am not calling you alone out on this, there are several people seemingly spouting this view without supporting it.
Of course every company has to give incentive to the customer to buy a new product, and being able to do something new and different is a classic way of doing this...but it has nothing to do with the actual OS of the device, unlike the situation that is happening with Android at the moment.
"...Siri was marketing not inability of the hardware to support it?"
1) If you thought it could be for other reasons you certainly don't state them or even elude them.
2) You definitively stated that it was "not the inability of the hardware to support [Siri]."
I'm sorry, but I've got to go with Gatorguy and say that it's your pride and arrogance that won't simply let it be said that the iPhone 3GS hardware can support Siri and that it is Apple's decision to keep it from 3GS. You're the one who felt the need to move the goal posts and say it's on the server side. Sorry, but the Siri servers ARE NOT part of the 3GS hardware.
1. Terminal commands? Where do you people come up with this? If you can jailbreak an iphone you can change the ROM on your android.
2. If you don't care what version of Android you are running like a majority of the people, you won't have to learn how to flash a ROM.
3. Devices have full support from the manufacturers and carriers. They do receive updates. Any new phone you buy now will see official ICS in the future.
Before you make some example of locking yourself into a contract with an old Android, people do the same with the iphone 3GS which is still being sold at AT&T. Will that be getting updates 2 years from now? Hell no it won't.
I agree with points 1 and 2. What updates are available for Android devices that you refer to in point 3? When I had the HTC magic in 2009-2010 that came with Donut, I never ever received a software update from either HTC or my carrier, in this case Three.
In the second part of your third point, you state that all new phones will get ICS in the future...when is that, 2013? Or will they procrastinate long enough that they will stop selling those phones and already have the next generation of models selling, so just skip the upgrade all together? It has already been well documented that ICS will not be coming to anything except the Nexus phone until at least mid 2012, this being due to a double "certification" process by manufacturers and carriers, who will then decide arbitrarily which models will get it, and which they will leave out in the cold.
The thing is, Mushroom, I agree that it isn't entirely Google's fault. There are too many profit-driven corporations standing in between Android and 99% of the population of the OS's end users. With iOS end users benefit because there is only one profit driven corporation between them and the end product. As long as this is the case, Android will never be vertically integrated and will never be able to match iOS for user experience and integration.
I know because I've been there. I even used Android x86 on my Asus eeePC 901 netbook to make as streamlined as possible for a quick surfer before I wisened up and just got myself an iPad instead. I had to teach myself terminal commands to install it and get it working with all of the hardware on my netbook. I Googled for and found instructions, tips, and walkthroughs on how to do it. I am relatively tech savvy, and into computers, and this process still took me a few days to get everything the way I wanted it. I know that the process for installing a custom ROM on a phone is much simpler than this, but it still requires a Google or three, and comes at the risk of bricking your device, and also has the disadvantage of not being supported at all by the manufacturer, carrier, or Google itself, making the user literally on their own with nowhere to turn for official support.
My point is, that in your last paragraph, you argue that getting a new 3GS for free in combination with a cell phone contract is the same as doing it with an "old" Android phone. Is that Android phone a 3 year old model as the 3GS is? No it is not, it is at the oldest a late 2010 model. In two years, the 3GS will be 5 years old. That is ancient in terms of cellular phones! If iOS 5 is the 3GS's final supported update, then it has had a far longer and more glorious run than any Android device!
Like you, the idea of an open source, free and accessible mobile OS is very attractive to me. But unlike you, I recognise that Android is not it in practice, it is too much risk and work for the end user, unless you are into that sort of thing, and then it is awesome (if you are willing to put up with the sub-par UI interface performance). A bit like communism, in its ideal form it would be great, but in its real world practical form, it sucks, and nobody wins instead of everybody winning.
Siri != iOS 5.
iOS 5 added many many new features over iOS 4 of which Siri was just one, albeit a very "cool" and marketable one.
The iPhone 4 and 3GS still got pretty much all of the rest of the new features, the most significant ones for me being iMessage and iCloud syncing.
Whether the omission of Siri from older devices was purely down to marketing or not is irrelevant - what Samsung have announced is the equivalent of Apple saying that the iPhone 4/3GS can't/won't run Siri so lets just not give those devices iOS 5 at all.
If I'd bought an expensive supposedly top end phone less than a year ago that was then declared incompatible with the very next major OS release I would be mighty pissed right now. Luckily I got an iPhone 4 which has already taken the iOS 4 to iOS 5 upgrade with zero issues and assuming I don't upgrade to the iPhone 5(?) when that comes out next year I still fully expect to be able to run iOS 6 on it even if I don't get all of the brand new toys.
You want to buy a Galaxy S?
We still sell them here in Australia, an 8GB model, part of Samsung copying EVERYTHING Apple does, apart from the software updates that is.
Did you miss the part where Apple watered down the update to give you SOME incentive to upgrade your device?
What is watered down? I have a dozen close friends, all running iOS 5 on their iPhone 3GS or 4, and the only software feature we've found they don't have that I do have on my 4S is Airplay mirroring. That, like Siri, is billed as an iPhone 4S 'exclusive'. How is that running a 'watered down' iOS update?
In fact, my brother and his wife swear that 5.0.1 runs better on their 3GS iPhones than 4.3.5 ever did.
it's funny.. if Apples does it (with Siri), it's ok since they are just trying to sell more iPhone 4S. If anyone else does it, it's dumb fragmentation.. LOL
I love how desparate the Samesung Fandroids are. Comparing not being able to run one feature of the OS on an older phone to not upgrading the entire OS. Android is so fragmented with each cloner desparate to add their horrible layers on top to try and differentiate from other cloners it is just one bigger steaming pile when all is said and done. No wonder Android is so insecure and unreliable.
Not much different from when Apple dumped Carbon to send the message' Buy Intel Mac already!'
Anyway, it sems ICS needs more overhead power to run that perhaps no single-core with less than 1GHz can handle. But That's what dual-core handsets are for in Samsung's point of view. Acer and LG have theirs coming out since Feb 2010, Galaxy S2 start shipping in Thailand from June onward. 7-inch Galaxy Tab no longer sold new so it doesn't count.
For those of you who have I9000(Galaxy S) or I9003(Galaxy SE), you can just upgrade it to Gingerbread and leave it there until the phone dies. Most iPhone customers in Thailand actually do that, and you might as well. With PAYG 3G SIM card for ฿300, ฿0.75 per minute for data under 200MB and most phone kiosks in shopping malls can jailbreak one for you in one hour it isn't that difficult.
3. Devices have full support from the manufacturers and carriers. They do receive updates. Any new phone you buy now will see official ICS in the future.
OK you say "new phone" here. Do you mean newly released, new to you, anything currently available from carriers? I'm assuming you mean newly released, but people could read it as any of those 3. Taking a quick glance at Sprint's available Android phones, I can almost guarantee most of those will never receive ICS. I'll be shocked if even a third of them do.
...Samsung want you to read between the line. It says' Buy Galaxy S2 already!'
Not much different from when Apple dumped Carbon to send the message' Buy Intel Mac already!'
So Apple from the beginning calling all of their backwards compatibility items like Classic mode, Rosetta and the 32 bit API of Carbon as temporary bridge items is disingenious? It was announced in 2007 that if you wanted to go 64 bit on the Mac you had to code in Cocoa. This is 2 years after the announced transition to Intel and a year after Rosetta was introduced to smooth the transition to Intel.
Apple has never made a secret of how they leave the past behind and anyone (like Adobe did) who claims to have been caught w/their pants down by Cocoa is full of shit. Snow Leopard didn't come out until late August 2009, 4 years after the announcement. That was the first version that could not be installed on a PPC. You could still run PPC apps on Snow Leopard and Lion finally removed that ability when it came out this year, you know, a good 6 years after the announcement. Most of my friends have already bought 2 new PCs in that timeframe and potentially several other upgrades along the way.
This really isn't the same at all. Samsung won't even support year old products.
Some words.
S W E E T
Custom.
R O M S
Community driven.
O P E N
Those are all meaningless words to 99% of consumers who just want the phone to work and have a pleasant experience using it. Despite what you and others who frequent these forums may think, it is just a tiny minority of smartphone users who want to jailbreak, flash, install custom ROMs, etc. It's funny that you need to do all of those things to Android in order for it to be attractive and usable.
The Moto acquisition is going to go down as one of the DUMBEST deal in the history of M&A.
Dumber than HP's acquisition of Palm?