Samsung's TouchWiz preventing Galaxy S owners from getting Android 4.0 ICS

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  • Reply 101 of 193
    Haven't any of you android fanboys figured this out yet? Read the reports...



    iOS has 92% of the online shopping market. Magazine publishers are seeing increased readership due to iOS (not Android). Apple gets more traffic than Walmart, eBay, Best Buy and Sears. Gannett buys thousands of iPhones, iPads (not Android) for mobile newsroom. FCC clears iPad (not Android) for use aboard planes. Major app releases hit iOS first. iOS app store has 6x the revenue of Android Market in 2011...



    Yet the only statistics Google can quote is a daily activation figure. Well, when you put Android on phones that are given away for free, yes, you will have a lot of activations. However, it is very clear that the vast majority of Android users are freeloaders who have very little to no interest in purchasing apps, or anything online for that matter. Maybe it's because all of the Android malware and viruses may have those users spooked? I wonder why government agencies aren't approving Android hardware for their people? Hmmm...



    If the above isn't enough, now we have OEM manufacturers like Samsung saying they won't allow users of older devices to upgrade to the newest version of Android because their UI overlay takes too much processing power? Well then change your overlay, or get rid of it! This is not how you keep customers.



    2012 will not be a good year for Android. Why? Because there is no innovation going on over there. Everything is "me too" by Google and their hardware partners. It's obvious now that market share is not everything.
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  • Reply 102 of 193
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    Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post


    Did you miss the part where Apple watered down the update to give you SOME incentive to upgrade your device?



    As usual your anti-Apple rhetoric is flawed. If there was goal was to force you to buy a new iPhone then they wouldn't offer updates to any outdated model. There would be no iOS 5.0 for the 3GS so people can save $20 month by using iMessages. There would be no iOS for the first iPad so users have to get the latest to use Newsstaand.



    This goes for all the OS advancements and apps, but you have decided that the few features they have excluded because the HW can't run it locally or across all dispersed units that it's because they are trying to force the user to upgrade. Makes perfect sense for a crazy person, good thinking¡
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  • Reply 103 of 193
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    Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post


    Haven't any of you android fanboys figured this out yet? Read the reports...



    iOS has 92% of the online shopping market. Magazine publishers are seeing increased readership due to iOS (not Android). Apple gets more traffic than Walmart, eBay, Best Buy and Sears. Gannett buys thousands of iPhones, iPads (not Android) for mobile newsroom. FCC clears iPad (not Android) for use aboard planes. Major app releases hit iOS first. iOS app store has 6x the revenue of Android Market in 2011...



    Yet the only statistics Google can quote is a daily activation figure. Well, when you put Android on phones that are given away for free, yes, you will have a lot of activations. However, it is very clear that the vast majority of Android users are freeloaders who have very little to no interest in purchasing apps, or anything online for that matter. Maybe it's because all of the Android malware and viruses may have those users spooked? I wonder why government agencies aren't approving Android hardware for their people? Hmmm...



    If the above isn't enough, now we have OEM manufacturers like Samsung saying they won't allow users of older devices to upgrade to the newest version of Android because their UI overlay takes too much processing power? Well then change your overlay, or get rid of it! This is not how you keep customers.



    2012 will not be a good year for Android. Why? Because there is no innovation going on over there. Everything is "me too" by Google and their hardware partners. It's obvious now that market share is not everything.



    Damn, well I'm glad I'm not getting 6x overcharged for the apps I buy.



    1. The FCC also cleared Galaxy Tab 10.1s for in flight entertainment

    2. The 3GS is also given away for a free with a new contract. Will that be supported in 2 years? Nope.

    3. Malware? I guarantee you have never met someone that has ever downloaded malware from the Android market. I have never ran into any app that did anything malicious at all.

    4. Google, George Mason University and the NSA are working on making Android the most secure platform yet.

    5. The DoD has already cleared android tablets for official use

    6. Who said it took too much processing power? You didn't read the article, did you? It's the size of Samsung's Touchwiz. Beta builds of ICS are already available for those devices.

    7. As far as more profits from the iOS store, let's take a look at that real quick.



    Open up your iphone's app store. Take a look at the top 25 free apps. Most of them are for kids. Kids that use in-app purchases. It's really that simple. Little games with in-app purchases have been the most profitable apps this year. And with more teens/tweens using iphones, it makes more revenue for the developers.
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  • Reply 104 of 193
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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    As usual your anti-Apple rhetoric is flawed. If there was goal was to force you to buy a new iPhone then they wouldn't offer updates to any outdated model. There would be no iOS 5.0 for the 3GS so people can save $20 month by using iMessages. There would be no iOS for the first iPad so users have to get the latest to use Newsstaand.



    This goes for all the OS advancements and apps, but you have decided that the few features they have excluded because the HW can't run it locally or across all dispersed units that it's because they are trying to force the user to upgrade. Makes perfect sense for a crazy person, good thinking¡



    People should get unlimited texting just to get the unlimited mobile to mobile.



    I work at AT&T. I see how many people come in to upgrade from their iphone 4, to an iphone 4S. Just so they can have a conversation with their phone.



    Other than that, the camera is marginally better and the battery life is actually worse on the 4S.



    It's all marketing to get someone to buy a re-hashed iphone 4. Now, if someone HAD to have an iphone and currently had a 3G/3GS, I'd totally recommend the 4S. But it's too bad they won't get Siri
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  • Reply 105 of 193
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post


    People should get unlimited texting just to get the unlimited mobile to mobile.



    Another example of you not using your thinking cap.



    Quote:

    I work at AT&T.



    I have never felt such a strong urge to switch carriers.



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    I see how many people come in to upgrade from their iphone 4, to an iphone 4S. Just so they can have a conversation with their phone.



    We get it! You like to have to some new radical design and a different size display each time so you can try to brag about it. You hate not having pointless features that fit on a spec sheet or people not knowing you have the latest Android phone. That's not me or most people. Most just want something that works and is better than before, so you can ignore all the other advancements in the 4S but that's still just being superficial and not understanding technology



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    Other than that, the camera is marginally better



    Marginally better than some of the newer Android-based devices, but much better than iPhone 4 camera which is much better than the iPhone 3GS camera.



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    It's all marketing to get someone to buy a re-hashed iphone 4.



    Just to get you to buy a new phone yet they offer the iOS 5.0 to 3 years of models. Makes perfect sense¡
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  • Reply 106 of 193
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post


    ?people come in to upgrade from their iphone 4, to an iphone 4S. Just so they can have a conversation with their phone.



    ?the camera is marginally better?



    It's all marketing to get someone to buy a re-hashed iphone 4.



    ?I'd totally recommend the 4S. But it's too bad they won't get Siri



    MacRumors has a rule where lying is an instantly bannable offense.



    ?



    That's the only thing I miss from there.
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  • Reply 107 of 193
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
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    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


    This didn't worK?

    http://cydiahelp.com/how-to-fully-in...4g-full-guide/



    I don't know for certain but it appears to based on comments I've seen, tho it's claimed to be illegal and not something I would suggest an owner to try. Still, it does work with iPhone4 hardware doesn't it? Perhaps not?



    Siri was never an advertised feature of iOS 5. It was also listed as a feature for the 4S. A beta feature at that. Further, people act as if the Siri's hardware only includes the phone itself. Siri also relies on a server, which has experienced some growing pains (e.g. outages).
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  • Reply 108 of 193
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member
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    Originally Posted by Fairthrope View Post


    .Anyway, it sems ICS needs more overhead power to run that perhaps no single-core with less than 1GHz can handle. But That's what dual-core handsets are for in Samsung's point of view. Acer and LG have theirs coming out since Feb 2010, Galaxy S2 start shipping in Thailand from June onward. 7-inch Galaxy Tab no longer sold new so it doesn't count.



    Nexus S?
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  • Reply 109 of 193
    sricesrice Posts: 120member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post


    And Apple users are forced to upgrade to get the newest software on their phones too.



    Apple knows perfectly well that Siri runs great on the 3GS/4, but they needed to give you a reason to buy a new device. So they held it back.



    See, here's the thing... Our upgrade experience is 1. Buy new iPhone for $199 or $299 2. Sell old iPhone for $199 or $299.



    People want old apple devices because they are still functional and useful. They can upgrade to the latest iOS.

    I don't mind android fans -- I just think they missed the MIcrosoft 90s and are repeating it. Just don't come into an Apple forum and interrupt us getting ou chuckles over your crapand think we won tell you why your stuff is crap. Many Apple fans spent heir teens and twenties screwing around with Linux and playstation ROMs, and now have much better things to do with our time.



    Good luck with removing your adware from your andriod whatever phone...
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  • Reply 110 of 193
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post




    It's all marketing to get someone to buy a re-hashed iphone 4. Now, if someone HAD to have an iphone and currently had a 3G/3GS, I'd totally recommend the 4S. But it's too bad they won't get Siri



    Maybe I read something wrong but why wouldn't they get Siri on the 4s?
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  • Reply 111 of 193
    How do you think these folks make money?

    Sammy and the rest of the tablet OEMS know damn well that as new Android builds roll out they have to push new hardware to coincide with Google's stuff.
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  • Reply 112 of 193
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Fairthrope View Post


    ...Samsung want you to read between the line. It says' Buy Galaxy S2 already!'



    Not much different from when Apple dumped Carbon to send the message' Buy Intel Mac already!'



    There's a huge difference...Apple supported PowerPC architecture and Carbon for about 4 years or so after Intel Macs were announced dropping support in Snow Leopard for the chips but still keeping Rosetta alive till Lion came and pounced on it. My 2007 MacBook 2GHz 2GB (originally 1GB) started with Tiger and is now running Lion. Thats 4 OS's that have been on this machine. I don't know if I'll be lucky to get 10.8 on this machine, but I'm happy with how long it's been supported compared to what Wintel customers had to go through just to get from XP to Vista.



    Samsung and other Android handset manufacturers have a product cycle of 3 to 6 months (if even) and once the old hardware is replaced by the next best thing, it's pretty much not getting any support or the newest OS updates...even if it technically could handle it. Most Android handsets these days ship with 2.3 and even if they can handle 4.0, won't likely ever see it without being hacked. Lets see one Android device still in the wild for 2-3 years with any recent version of the Android OS released by the Carrier/Manufacturer. If you can provide one, it's a rarity.



    Apple supports legacy hardware/software a lot better than anyone else at the moment...sometimes it hurts when they drop support for something, but sometimes tough love is necessary. Yes, they're out to make a buck (like everyone else) and make you get the next best thing, but they at least recognize that if you have a new iPhone, that you'll be tied to a 2 year agreement so maybe you should be given at least a couple full OS updates to keep you happy for the next 730 days.



    And I see I was late in my post...SSquirrel beat me too it...hours earlier. Oh well.
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  • Reply 113 of 193
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by carmelapple View Post


    Apple supports legacy hardware/software a lot better than anyone else at the moment...sometimes it hurts when they drop support for something, but sometimes tough love is necessary. Yes, they're out to make a buck (like everyone else) and make you get the next best thing, but they at least recognize that if you have a new iPhone, that you'll be tied to a 2 year agreement so maybe you should be given at least a couple full OS updates to keep you happy for the next 730 days.



    I also like that Apple releases their updates for a product all at the same time. I follow tech news and I have no idea when the few eligible Android-based devices will even get ICS because it's all scattered and mostly just promises made to be broken.



    PS: I especially love when people were calling Lion crap because Quicken 2007 didn't work on it as if that's Apple's fault.
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  • Reply 114 of 193
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    Originally Posted by CanadianThomas View Post


    Its funny and all, they are quite new devices and all but.....



    Saying the 3GS runs iOS5 is something of joke. Most of the cool newness in iOS5 is lost on the 3GS. Yes, its running the latest and greatest but not in a feature for feature contest. Just saying.



    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CanadianThomas View Post


    Not a nice try. Its true. Pick up a 3gs and compare to a 4 or 4s. Lots missing. Sure the 3gs is older but this article does fail to mention the difference. Dude, don't get the wrong idea. I've been a Mac head since before the Mac. But saying the 3GS runs iOS5, is a bit misleading.



    Here it goes again. Somebody always complains about their old iPhone not getting the full feature of the new iOS. Three years ago when you bought your 3Gs, did Apple advertise or promise you that in three years you'll be getting FaceTime, iMessage, Notification Center, etc.? NO! You should be happy that you're even getting the update at all. Besides your 3Gs got iCloud, iMessage and Notification Center, which are extremely huge features. So stop moaning, otherwise just upgrade your phone.
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  • Reply 115 of 193
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post


    I also like that Apple releases their updates for a product all at the same time. I follow tech news and I have no idea when the few eligible Android-based devices will even get ICS because it's all scattered and mostly just promises made to be broken.



    What I think is funny is that the anti-Apple people are claiming that Apple stifles innovation and advancing technology. Samsung doesn't appear to be having much trouble doing this to itself. "Let's see...latest version of OS or terrible proprietary UI layer? I guess it doesn't matter...these phones are already obsolete so why bother supporting them?" *cue sitcom style shoulder-shrug and laugh-track*
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  • Reply 116 of 193
    And Apple continues to support a phone made a year before the Galaxy S was released.
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  • Reply 117 of 193
    muppetrymuppetry Posts: 3,331member
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Patranus View Post


    And Apple continues to support a phone made a year before the Galaxy S was released.



    But - it's completely unusable without Siri. Hang on - Siri is just a useless gimmick. We have a good old logical paradox.
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  • Reply 118 of 193
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by CanadianThomas View Post


    Its funny and all, they are quite new devices and all but.....



    Saying the 3GS runs iOS5 is something of joke. Most of the cool newness in iOS5 is lost on the 3GS. Yes, its running the latest and greatest but not in a feature for feature contest. Just saying.



    Can tell you're either a newbie or a troll in waiting. The 3GS is very old as far as tech stuff goes but at least Apple is trying to keep he 3GS updated as much as it can be. That in my book is a lot better than just saying too bad for you and your phone.



    Didn't Google come out last year and promise that they would make Android viable on all products for at least a year after their release? Google makes promises that they can't keep or enforce, all to make Android look good but the manufacturers later turn around and basically say ' Nope, not my problem, it sucks to be you.'
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  • Reply 119 of 193
    Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha. Even my mum was able to "accidentally" upgrade to iOS5 and has iMessage now (though she doesn't have a 3G data plan, so it's dependent on WiFi).



    Still... Bwah ha ha ha ha ha. At least you have our Samsung 4" screen...



    Suddenly, so many people are on iMessage. It's no doubt just more nails in the already well-polished BlackBerry coffin.
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  • Reply 120 of 193
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Realistic View Post


    Can tell you're either a newbie or a troll in waiting. The 3GS is very old as far as tech stuff goes but at least Apple is trying to keep he 3GS updated as much as it can be. That in my book is a lot better than just saying too bad for you and your phone.



    Didn't Google come out last year and promise that they would make Android viable on all products for at least a year after their release? Google makes promises that they can't keep or enforce, all to make Android look good but the manufacturers later turn around and basically say ' Nope, not my problem, it sucks to be you.'



    Yeah... The 3GS is pretty ancient by smartphone standards. 2009. Think about it. It's soon 2012. To be able to run most of iOS5 is no, no, small feat.



    I wonder which 2009 Android handsets can run ICS. Not many, I suspect.
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