I see that Apple's US patent on this is mentioned in the article. Is it the case that this is irrelevant here and that only the German "utility" patent is considered? I ask because I was sure that Google had its own gesture unlock patent. I had a scout about and linked to the wrong thing hence the edit. I will see if I can find it.
I have no idea if they also did a similar utility-type patent in Germany though. The whole patent thing does seem to be getting a little out of hand if Google can have this, Apple can have slide-to-unlock but a fast-track type of patent in a single country can cause a lawsuit but might contradict a similar case with a non fast-track patent in the same country. It's no wonder there are lawsuits flying about all over the place.
No, you can't get a patent for an idea, as you should know by now. You do know that, don't you? The patent is about what is being accomplished, and HOW it is being done, on the level of the software, and interaction with the screen.
I was mocking his wording...it was a useless comment ultimately...I know you can't patent an idea.
You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse. Not that untypical for Android phones which have been plagued with poor battery life in general.
Is it a better phone? Well, that a matter of opinion. With 2.3.5, no Android phone is "better". Bigger maybe, if you like that sort of thing. With ICS, a lot of the UI problems have been solved, so it's better-than it was.
There are other ways to do this. Slide to unlock is just a clever and easy way. But touching several spots in a certain order would work just as well, and take about the same amount of time. It's just laziness on the part of others to copy this.
Actually Android has had a pattern unlock option for a while now.....
You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse. Not that untypical for Android phones which have been plagued with poor battery life in general.
Is it a better phone? Well, that a matter of opinion. With 2.3.5, no Android phone is "better". Bigger maybe, if you like that sort of thing. With ICS, a lot of the UI problems have been solved, so it's better-than it was.
Hmmm... The last line of the post very clearly read:
"I chose to keep the IP4s...it is a better all around device and the battery last so much longer."
Indicating that in his experience with both devices the iPhone 4S is 'the better all around device', and has "better battery life', so why are you accusing/attacking him of/for 'making this up' etc. ?
Not that I'm aware of; but there's their products as prior art. Consequently, Apple's patent needed to be very specific in order to have sufficient novelty. As a result of this, Galaxy Nexus can easily be shown in court to differ sufficiently from Apple's patent.
You're writing that as a statement, when it's just your opinion. The fact is that we don't know what the courts will decide, including appeals.
While its true that some don't like the idea of this patent, that doesn't make it invalid. Even if a judge doesn't like the patent, it doesn't mean that they can invalidate it.
Tinkering is all of the above. It is modifying aesthetic or functional aspects of something. Changing the background wallpaper is a type of tinkering. It is also a way of discovering how something works (like disassembling a clock to see it's inner workings).
Some people just like to tinker because it's fun. It doesn't have to have a purpose or end goal. Other people want something to "just work". Nothing wrong with either way. Everyone is different which is why having choices is great.
To a great extent, it's being able to get apps that can't be gotten from Apple's App Store for various reasons. A great example, and one I see used all the time on Android forums and other sites when discussing this, is getting a tethering app that bypasses the contract they signed when getting on a network.
Seriously, getting a phone because you can change the wallpaper more easily is a bogus reason.
There is a very real baseband driver issue that is affecting the phenomenal life of many iPhone 4Ses.
That may be a bug, but it doesn't affect most users. And it's not the 4S, it's phones with iOS 5. Some 4’s have the problem as well, though I don't know if any 3Gs users do.
On the other hand, most Android phones have only fair battery life. Some have poor battery life. It's not a bug that affects a few percent of users, it's a design flaw of some nature that affects ALL users. There's a difference.
It's thought that one of the problems is due to the nature of the multitasking model Android uses which require much more RAM than iOS requires. More RAM means poorer battery life. In addition, these manufacturers use off the shelf SoC's. There is no customization once the manufacturer is chosen, while Apple customizes their SoC to their own use. It's why the iPhone 4S can get away with a dual 800MHz chip, and still has performance better, or just about as good as phones using dual 1 GHz or significantly higher running chips. It's also one major reason why battery life is better on the iPhone.
I tested a Galaxy Nexus for 30 days with my IP4s. [...]
I chose to keep the IP4s...it is a better all around device and the battery last so much longer.
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Originally Posted by melgross
You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse.
You read his post wrong. He said the iP4S's battery last (sic) so much longer. As much as I disagree with most of his posts, he is praising the iP4S and is dead-on telling the truth.
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Originally Posted by DaHarder
Hmmm... The last line of the post very clearly read: [...]
so why are you accusing/attacking him of/for 'making this up' etc. ?
Hmmm... The last line of the post very clearly read:
"I chose to keep the IP4s...it is a better all around device and the battery last so much longer."
Indicating that in his experience with both devices the iPhone 4S is 'the better all around device', and has "better battery life', so why are you accusing/attacking him of/for 'making this up' etc. ?
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Originally Posted by Dickprinter
You read his post wrong. He said the iP4S's battery last (sic) so much longer. As much as I disagree with most of his posts, he is praising the iP4S and is dead-on telling the truth.
Yes guys, you are all right. From the tone of his post it looked the other way around. Somehow, I'm not used to seeing IP4s as the designator for the phone, and I mistook it as another.
It was my boo boo, and I will add to that post my correction. Thanks for noticing it.
That may be a bug, but it doesn't affect most users. And it's not the 4S, it's phones with iOS 5. Some 4?s have the problem as well, though I don't know if any 3Gs users do.
On the other hand, most Android phones have only fair battery life. Some have poor battery life. It's not a bug that affects a few percent of users, it's a design flaw of some nature that affects ALL users. There's a difference.
It's thought that one of the problems is due to the nature of the multitasking model Android uses which require much more RAM than iOS requires. More RAM means poorer battery life. In addition, these manufacturers use off the shelf SoC's. There is no customization once the manufacturer is chosen, while Apple customizes their SoC to their own use. It's why the iPhone 4S can get away with a dual 800MHz chip, and still has performance better, or just about as good as phones using dual 1 GHz or significantly higher running chips. It's also one major reason why battery life is better on the iPhone.
There are surely some users with a new OS version that at least think they are getting worse battery life, but the issue with the 4S dropping 10% or more per hour without usage is an issue with that new MDM6610 baseband.
You read his post wrong. He said the iP4S's battery last (sic) so much longer. As much as I disagree with most of his posts, he is praising the iP4S and is dead-on telling the truth.
Experiences do differ, but...
There are numerous ways to optimize Android devices for much better battery life, and with the Galaxy Nexus if can be as simple as turning off unnecessary push-notifications (Google+ is what I disabled), and placing it in CDMA-only mode when LTE isn't required/desired.
My experience with my iPhone4S' battery life is that it last roughly 60-70% as long as my iPhone4 did, and not as long as my Galaxy Nexus (in CDMA mode) for any given charge cycle.
Example: I took my Galaxy Nexus off the charger over 30.5 hours ago and still have 34% left after an entire day's use, which is rather excellent for any modern smartphone.
My experience with my iPhone4S' battery life is that it last roughly 60-70% as long as my iPhone4 did, and not as long as my Galaxy Nexus (in CDMA mode) for any given charge cycle.
Example: I took my Galaxy Nexus off the charger over 30.5 hours ago and still have 34% left after an entire day's use, which is rather excellent for any modern smartphone.
I don't doubt your experience but what you're experiencing is not what you should be getting from the iPhone 4S over the iPhone 4.
There are surely some users with a new OS version that at least think they are getting worse battery life, but the issue with the 4S dropping 10% or more per hour without usage is an issue with that new MDM6610 baseband.
Except that most people don't have the issue at all. And it's just a guess by some that that's the problem. No one knows as of yet.
I don't have the problem. Neither does my wife or daughter. I know a fair number of people with the phone, and only one guy had the problem. I told him to take the phone to Apple. He did. They gave him a new phone, and he doesn't have the problem.
...here's what I achieved last week under rather heavy use: 21+ hours of use with 30% remaining.
Which is still quite excellent.
Anyway... I still stand behind my assertion that this whole 'lock screen infringement' claim will likely be thrown out.
I'm not quite sure what that photo proves. It doesn't show all of your activity over that period. It's also so far from what legit tests have shown, that it's just more than a bit odd.
Except that most people don't have the issue at all. And it's just a guess by some that that's the problem. No one knows as of yet.
I don't have the problem. Neither does my wife or daughter. I know a fair number of people with the phone, and only one guy had the problem. I told him to take the phone to Apple. He did. They gave him a new phone, and he doesn't have the problem.
I've deduced that it's the baseband driver that is the problem. That is what is rapidly changing in the iOS 5..0.x betas for the 4S. Everyone I know seems to be fine with there 4S but I had the issue. It was bad. I tried all the home remedies and none worked. I ended up returning it when I went to replace it and they didn't have my model in stock that day. I've been keeping a close eye on iOS 5.0.x progress for the 4S and plan on getting the 4S when I feel it's suitably resolved. Chances are I would be fine with the next one I tried but I don't the luxury right now to deal with a phone dying too quickly and multiple returns to the Apple Store so I'm just waiting a bit.
I'm not quite sure what that photo proves. It doesn't show all of your activity over that period. It's also so far from what legit tests have shown, that it's just more than a bit odd.
In post 73 he explained how he optimized his battery use.
What, exactly, constitutes 'rather heavy use'? I'm curious because that's exceptional battery life.
Listening to heavy metal while reading about heavy metals on Wikipedia while eating a heavy breakfast? It's certainly not continued use for 30 minutes or more per hour.
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I have no idea if they also did a similar utility-type patent in Germany though. The whole patent thing does seem to be getting a little out of hand if Google can have this, Apple can have slide-to-unlock but a fast-track type of patent in a single country can cause a lawsuit but might contradict a similar case with a non fast-track patent in the same country. It's no wonder there are lawsuits flying about all over the place.
No, you can't get a patent for an idea, as you should know by now. You do know that, don't you? The patent is about what is being accomplished, and HOW it is being done, on the level of the software, and interaction with the screen.
I was mocking his wording...it was a useless comment ultimately...I know you can't patent an idea.
You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse. Not that untypical for Android phones which have been plagued with poor battery life in general.
Is it a better phone? Well, that a matter of opinion. With 2.3.5, no Android phone is "better". Bigger maybe, if you like that sort of thing. With ICS, a lot of the UI problems have been solved, so it's better-than it was.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/s...wich-review/14
He's saying the 4S has longer battery life.
There are other ways to do this. Slide to unlock is just a clever and easy way. But touching several spots in a certain order would work just as well, and take about the same amount of time. It's just laziness on the part of others to copy this.
Actually Android has had a pattern unlock option for a while now.....
You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse. Not that untypical for Android phones which have been plagued with poor battery life in general.
Is it a better phone? Well, that a matter of opinion. With 2.3.5, no Android phone is "better". Bigger maybe, if you like that sort of thing. With ICS, a lot of the UI problems have been solved, so it's better-than it was.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5310/s...wich-review/14
Hmmm... The last line of the post very clearly read:
"I chose to keep the IP4s...it is a better all around device and the battery last so much longer."
Indicating that in his experience with both devices the iPhone 4S is 'the better all around device', and has "better battery life', so why are you accusing/attacking him of/for 'making this up' etc. ?
Not that I'm aware of; but there's their products as prior art. Consequently, Apple's patent needed to be very specific in order to have sufficient novelty. As a result of this, Galaxy Nexus can easily be shown in court to differ sufficiently from Apple's patent.
You're writing that as a statement, when it's just your opinion. The fact is that we don't know what the courts will decide, including appeals.
While its true that some don't like the idea of this patent, that doesn't make it invalid. Even if a judge doesn't like the patent, it doesn't mean that they can invalidate it.
Tinkering is all of the above. It is modifying aesthetic or functional aspects of something. Changing the background wallpaper is a type of tinkering. It is also a way of discovering how something works (like disassembling a clock to see it's inner workings).
Some people just like to tinker because it's fun. It doesn't have to have a purpose or end goal. Other people want something to "just work". Nothing wrong with either way. Everyone is different which is why having choices is great.
To a great extent, it's being able to get apps that can't be gotten from Apple's App Store for various reasons. A great example, and one I see used all the time on Android forums and other sites when discussing this, is getting a tethering app that bypasses the contract they signed when getting on a network.
Seriously, getting a phone because you can change the wallpaper more easily is a bogus reason.
There is a very real baseband driver issue that is affecting the phenomenal life of many iPhone 4Ses.
That may be a bug, but it doesn't affect most users. And it's not the 4S, it's phones with iOS 5. Some 4’s have the problem as well, though I don't know if any 3Gs users do.
On the other hand, most Android phones have only fair battery life. Some have poor battery life. It's not a bug that affects a few percent of users, it's a design flaw of some nature that affects ALL users. There's a difference.
It's thought that one of the problems is due to the nature of the multitasking model Android uses which require much more RAM than iOS requires. More RAM means poorer battery life. In addition, these manufacturers use off the shelf SoC's. There is no customization once the manufacturer is chosen, while Apple customizes their SoC to their own use. It's why the iPhone 4S can get away with a dual 800MHz chip, and still has performance better, or just about as good as phones using dual 1 GHz or significantly higher running chips. It's also one major reason why battery life is better on the iPhone.
I tested a Galaxy Nexus for 30 days with my IP4s. [...]
I chose to keep the IP4s...it is a better all around device and the battery last so much longer.
You're making this up, and it's easy to tell. The battery life isn't better than the 4S, it's worse.
You read his post wrong. He said the iP4S's battery last (sic) so much longer. As much as I disagree with most of his posts, he is praising the iP4S and is dead-on telling the truth.
Hmmm... The last line of the post very clearly read: [...]
so why are you accusing/attacking him of/for 'making this up' etc. ?
Clearly because he read it wrong.
He's saying the 4S has longer battery life.
Hmmm... The last line of the post very clearly read:
"I chose to keep the IP4s...it is a better all around device and the battery last so much longer."
Indicating that in his experience with both devices the iPhone 4S is 'the better all around device', and has "better battery life', so why are you accusing/attacking him of/for 'making this up' etc. ?
You read his post wrong. He said the iP4S's battery last (sic) so much longer. As much as I disagree with most of his posts, he is praising the iP4S and is dead-on telling the truth.
Yes guys, you are all right. From the tone of his post it looked the other way around. Somehow, I'm not used to seeing IP4s as the designator for the phone, and I mistook it as another.
It was my boo boo, and I will add to that post my correction. Thanks for noticing it.
That may be a bug, but it doesn't affect most users. And it's not the 4S, it's phones with iOS 5. Some 4?s have the problem as well, though I don't know if any 3Gs users do.
On the other hand, most Android phones have only fair battery life. Some have poor battery life. It's not a bug that affects a few percent of users, it's a design flaw of some nature that affects ALL users. There's a difference.
It's thought that one of the problems is due to the nature of the multitasking model Android uses which require much more RAM than iOS requires. More RAM means poorer battery life. In addition, these manufacturers use off the shelf SoC's. There is no customization once the manufacturer is chosen, while Apple customizes their SoC to their own use. It's why the iPhone 4S can get away with a dual 800MHz chip, and still has performance better, or just about as good as phones using dual 1 GHz or significantly higher running chips. It's also one major reason why battery life is better on the iPhone.
There are surely some users with a new OS version that at least think they are getting worse battery life, but the issue with the 4S dropping 10% or more per hour without usage is an issue with that new MDM6610 baseband.
You read his post wrong. He said the iP4S's battery last (sic) so much longer. As much as I disagree with most of his posts, he is praising the iP4S and is dead-on telling the truth.
Experiences do differ, but...
There are numerous ways to optimize Android devices for much better battery life, and with the Galaxy Nexus if can be as simple as turning off unnecessary push-notifications (Google+ is what I disabled), and placing it in CDMA-only mode when LTE isn't required/desired.
My experience with my iPhone4S' battery life is that it last roughly 60-70% as long as my iPhone4 did, and not as long as my Galaxy Nexus (in CDMA mode) for any given charge cycle.
Example: I took my Galaxy Nexus off the charger over 30.5 hours ago and still have 34% left after an entire day's use, which is rather excellent for any modern smartphone.
My experience with my iPhone4S' battery life is that it last roughly 60-70% as long as my iPhone4 did, and not as long as my Galaxy Nexus (in CDMA mode) for any given charge cycle.
Example: I took my Galaxy Nexus off the charger over 30.5 hours ago and still have 34% left after an entire day's use, which is rather excellent for any modern smartphone.
I don't doubt your experience but what you're experiencing is not what you should be getting from the iPhone 4S over the iPhone 4.
Which is still quite excellent.
Anyway... I still stand behind my assertion that this whole 'lock screen infringement' claim will likely be thrown out.
There are surely some users with a new OS version that at least think they are getting worse battery life, but the issue with the 4S dropping 10% or more per hour without usage is an issue with that new MDM6610 baseband.
Except that most people don't have the issue at all. And it's just a guess by some that that's the problem. No one knows as of yet.
I don't have the problem. Neither does my wife or daughter. I know a fair number of people with the phone, and only one guy had the problem. I told him to take the phone to Apple. He did. They gave him a new phone, and he doesn't have the problem.
...here's what I achieved last week under rather heavy use: 21+ hours of use with 30% remaining.
What, exactly, constitutes 'rather heavy use'? I'm curious because that's exceptional battery life.
...here's what I achieved last week under rather heavy use: 21+ hours of use with 30% remaining.
Which is still quite excellent.
Anyway... I still stand behind my assertion that this whole 'lock screen infringement' claim will likely be thrown out.
I'm not quite sure what that photo proves. It doesn't show all of your activity over that period. It's also so far from what legit tests have shown, that it's just more than a bit odd.
Except that most people don't have the issue at all. And it's just a guess by some that that's the problem. No one knows as of yet.
I don't have the problem. Neither does my wife or daughter. I know a fair number of people with the phone, and only one guy had the problem. I told him to take the phone to Apple. He did. They gave him a new phone, and he doesn't have the problem.
I've deduced that it's the baseband driver that is the problem. That is what is rapidly changing in the iOS 5..0.x betas for the 4S. Everyone I know seems to be fine with there 4S but I had the issue. It was bad. I tried all the home remedies and none worked. I ended up returning it when I went to replace it and they didn't have my model in stock that day. I've been keeping a close eye on iOS 5.0.x progress for the 4S and plan on getting the 4S when I feel it's suitably resolved. Chances are I would be fine with the next one I tried but I don't the luxury right now to deal with a phone dying too quickly and multiple returns to the Apple Store so I'm just waiting a bit.
I'm not quite sure what that photo proves. It doesn't show all of your activity over that period. It's also so far from what legit tests have shown, that it's just more than a bit odd.
In post 73 he explained how he optimized his battery use.
What, exactly, constitutes 'rather heavy use'? I'm curious because that's exceptional battery life.
Listening to heavy metal while reading about heavy metals on Wikipedia while eating a heavy breakfast? It's certainly not continued use for 30 minutes or more per hour.