I seem to recall "QUAD CORE" being rather prominent in the launch of the new iPad.
Cake and eat it.
Don't be obtuse. A GPU is not a CPU and there is no reason to expect the GPU in the next iPad to drop to 2 cores. Nor does it make it sense for the iPhone to double its GPU cores until it can maintain this change and at a lower power envelope than it current offers.
3G/WiFi Battery Life
I ran several speedtests in the same location on both 3G and WiFi to see if I could get a clear idea of whether or not the baseband and WiFi stack in the 4S was more power efficient than in the 4. The results unanimously agree, the 4S is more power efficient at uploading/downloading at the limits of 3G and WiFi
I'd sooner have a Cortex A15 based dual core chip than a quad core Cortex A9 chip.
More important than both of those however is the GPU. The current iPad 3 has essentially the same GPU as the PS Vita, which is a good chip. The next gen Power VR Rogue stuff looks to be a truly astounding chip - 20x quicker apparently. I rather like the idea of having iPhone games which look as good as Xbox 360 titles.
From what I've read the A15 and the Rogue are still quite some way off though, too far for the iPhone 5. They're more likely to show up in the iPad 4 first.
From the article "Apple is expected to counter its rivals with its own quad-core A-series processor later this year."
What will you say about quad-core when this happens LOL.
Nothing. Apple talks about features most of the time, not specs.
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Originally Posted by majjo
Lest you forget, Apple is one of the, if not the, biggest players in the war of specs. Their Ax processors have always been among the top of the line when released, and largest in terms of die size/transistor count. If anything, Apple is a big force in keeping the spec wars alive.
The Ax chips have been good chips right from the start, but Apple does not play the spec game as you claim. Apple's advertisements are always about what you can do with the device, not which device has a higher clock speed or more RAM.
And most tests show that Apple's devices perform very well against the competition. For example, look at Anand's tests showing that the A series chips running iOS generally outperform comparable chips running Android by a wide margin.
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Originally Posted by ljocampo
Speaking to spec wars. I've been following the computer industry since 1970, phones for the last 10 years, and Apple since they started and I can tell you the spec war was alive and well then and it will still be in the year 2525. Where did people here ever get the idea that specs don't matter. Loyal Apple fans wait holding their breath to see what new power specs Apple will put into its products next. So go for it Samsung. :rolleyes:
Specs don't matter as long as every device is significantly more powerful than you need. We reached that point with desktop computers several years ago. Even the cheapest desktop computer I can buy today is faster than 95% of users need. So people have switched to buying on features, reliability, quality, etc - all the things where Apple excels.
Phones are already at that point for many people, as well. Some hard core game players may feel otherwise, but most of them wouldn't play games on a phone, anyway. It's just not as big a selling feature for phones as the ecosystem, battery life, etc.
Good one. Look at that page you cited. Apple markets their FEATURES. You know, the things you can do with the device. And how great the display looks. Very rarely does Apple market a spec - and when they do, it's almost always in support of a specific feature. For example, when they talk about the quad core GPU in the iPad (which they don't do in any of their ads), they use it only to show the great gaming experience you can get.
Look at Apple's iPhone commercials. Not a word about the specs. They talk about the things you can do with the phone.
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Originally Posted by peter236
Apple fanboys probably think consumers do not care about the number of cores, since Apple lags behind in the numbers of cores.
But if Apple releases a quad core phone first, all Apple fanboys will be cheering.
Not at all. If any of the Android sheep companies ever release a product with FEATURES comparable to the iPhone, then it will be worth talking about. Since Apple's devices perform better than Android hardware with comparable CPUs (see Anand's tests), 'lagging' behind in the number of cores doesn't seem to be hurting Apple.
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Originally Posted by Scaramanga89
I seem to recall "QUAD CORE" being rather prominent in the launch of the new iPad.
Cake and eat it.
Where? Show me an iPad ad where 'quad core' was prominent. Apple's ads generally don't even mention the specs or if they do, it's a casual mention. Apple's ads are all about the things you can do with the device and how great it looks (like the new iPad's display), not specs.
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Originally Posted by Morky
One thing that might be said is that programming for Android to take advantage of four cores is exceedingly difficult. Apple has simplified this with GCD, so it's more likely you'll see iOS Apps that can actually use four cores when needed.
Exactly. It's not about specs, it's about what you get out of the hardware that matters - and Apple does very well.
ROTFLMAO. Apple has sold 100 million iPhones and MSNBC managed to find a handful who were complaining about their battery life. In reality (see the battery life chart in the post above mine), Apple's phones do very well.
I really don't think that you can treat phones the way that computers used to be treated with these spec wars. It's a phone... if it works well then that's all the customer will worry about. It's going to be a very small percentage of customers who actually give a shit about how fast it runs.
I had a non-techie friend recently go to buy an iPhone and she got talked into buying an HTC One X by the salesperson. When I asked her why, she said it was quad core and the iPhone is only dual core. I was going to press her on why anyone would care if their phone is quad core vs. dual core but didn't want to make her feel bad about her purchase. The problem is that the salespeople are paid to shill for these phones and "quad core" is one more talking point they can use to convince a customer to buy it vs. an iPhone (same with megapixels, screen size, etc). It shouldn't be like that but it frequently is.
<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>peter236</strong> <a href="/t/149629/samsung-confirms-quad-core-processor-for-next-flagship-galaxy-smartphone#post_2101196"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <p> Apple fanboys probably think consumers do not care about the number of cores, since Apple lags behind in the numbers of cores.</p> <p> But if Apple releases a quad core phone first, all Apple fanboys will be cheering.</p> </div></div><p> </p><p> Fanboys say a lot of stuff... no doubt about that. But let's forget about them for a minute and focus on what's really selling.</p><p> </p><p> Did the iPhone become the #1 selling phone on many carriers <u><em>because</em></u> of the number of cores it has? NO.</p><p> </p><p> The iPhone 4 is single core... the iPhone 4S is dual-core... and the next iPhone will probably be quad-core.</p><p> </p><p> But that's not <u>WHY</u> people buy them...</p>
I could care less how many cores are in my phone as long as it works for me. I suppose Samsung thinks even if most consumers don't know anything about cores they'll assume quad is better than dual, ergo the new Samsung phone is better tha iPhone. And let's be clear, it's Apple Samsung is obsessed with, not HTC, Motorola or anyone else.
Commercial's okay, if somewhat "meh, so what?". Now Shamelesssung needs to be more consistent.
Unfortunately, their most prominent impression has forever been embedded into my psyche. They would have to reinvent themselves for me to change my mind. The competition's basic motto has always been "mea culpa". It is very hard to really respect any company or anyone like that.
However, this is my personal bias. If there are people that benefit from their products, then more power to them.
<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>Rogifan</strong> <a href="/t/149629/samsung-confirms-quad-core-processor-for-next-flagship-galaxy-smartphone#post_2101190"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> Is the average consumer who buys a phone even going to know what the heck quad core means?</div></div><p> </p><p> Apple fanboys probably think consumers do not care about the number of cores, since Apple lags behind in the numbers of cores.</p><p> But if Apple releases a quad core phone first, all Apple fanboys will be cheering.</p>
Seems to me the fanboy term applies to all the Fandroids out there bragging about the specs on their phone/tablet. All we hear about is how great the Transformer Prime is with its quad core CPU. Well if the real world user experience was so great why isn't that translating to sales?
Disappointing A9 quad core cant be use by the OS or apps and Mali 400 GPU is old and underpowered. I agree that A15 dual core is the future and the A5X GPU for mobile. Rogue 6 looks like it might be to power hungry for mobile phones but might work on tablets. The same problem for the A5X chip on a phone, IMHO iphone 5 will have a A5X chip Dual core on both CPU and GPU. And will beat this chip handily...
Apple fanboys probably think consumers do not care about the number of cores, since Apple lags behind in the numbers of cores.
But if Apple releases a quad core phone first, all Apple fanboys will be cheering.
I'll take a dual-core Cortex-A15 over a quad-core Cortex-A9 with the same cycles per second on the same lithography. It's that simple! it's about the performance, not about the number of cores you have.
Beyond that i's all about the real world user experience. Besides wanting a device that is snappy it also has to last a long time. Apple has not only balanced this from the start but has continually bested the competition in battery life and real world performance, which has a lot to o to actually caring about the code they write. That is what is important, not some singled out and silly metric that by itself has absolutely no barring on the device's performance.
It's the same thing as caring about megapixels over the quality of an image. If Mpx or processor cores are your measure then you have no idea what you're talking about.
Disappointing A9 quad core cant be use by the OS or apps and Mali 400 GPU is old and underpowered. I agree that A15 dual core is the future and the A5X GPU for mobile. Rogue 6 looks like it might be to power hungry for mobile phones but might work on tablets. The same problem for the A5X chip on a phone, IMHO iphone 5 will have a A5X chip Dual core on both CPU and GPU. And will beat this chip handily...
I hope it's ready in time for the 6th gen iPhone but it's not looking so good right now as I'd expect to have seen several smaller vendors announcing releases for the 2nd half of the year.
Twice the "performance" while using 20% less power is great but unfortunately they are probably going to advertise the hell out of it being quad-core. I wonder what people will think when dual-core Cortex-A15 has even higher performance and uses even less power?
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Why, oh why, oh why? It's just a bleedin' phone, not a 'ucking Spaceship
Don't be obtuse. A GPU is not a CPU and there is no reason to expect the GPU in the next iPad to drop to 2 cores. Nor does it make it sense for the iPhone to double its GPU cores until it can maintain this change and at a lower power envelope than it current offers.
That 9.9 is hours not minutes in a Base-3 system.
I'd sooner have a Cortex A15 based dual core chip than a quad core Cortex A9 chip.
More important than both of those however is the GPU. The current iPad 3 has essentially the same GPU as the PS Vita, which is a good chip. The next gen Power VR Rogue stuff looks to be a truly astounding chip - 20x quicker apparently. I rather like the idea of having iPhone games which look as good as Xbox 360 titles.
From what I've read the A15 and the Rogue are still quite some way off though, too far for the iPhone 5. They're more likely to show up in the iPad 4 first.
Hmm, reminds me of Apple's Mac OSX welcome movie that you see when you start up your Mac for the first time... I'm just sayin'.
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Originally Posted by MHD
LMAO don't get your panties in a bunch fb's.
From the article "Apple is expected to counter its rivals with its own quad-core A-series processor later this year."
What will you say about quad-core when this happens LOL.
Nothing. Apple talks about features most of the time, not specs.
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Originally Posted by majjo
Lest you forget, Apple is one of the, if not the, biggest players in the war of specs. Their Ax processors have always been among the top of the line when released, and largest in terms of die size/transistor count. If anything, Apple is a big force in keeping the spec wars alive.
The Ax chips have been good chips right from the start, but Apple does not play the spec game as you claim. Apple's advertisements are always about what you can do with the device, not which device has a higher clock speed or more RAM.
And most tests show that Apple's devices perform very well against the competition. For example, look at Anand's tests showing that the A series chips running iOS generally outperform comparable chips running Android by a wide margin.
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Originally Posted by ljocampo
Speaking to spec wars. I've been following the computer industry since 1970, phones for the last 10 years, and Apple since they started and I can tell you the spec war was alive and well then and it will still be in the year 2525. Where did people here ever get the idea that specs don't matter. Loyal Apple fans wait holding their breath to see what new power specs Apple will put into its products next. So go for it Samsung. :rolleyes:
Specs don't matter as long as every device is significantly more powerful than you need. We reached that point with desktop computers several years ago. Even the cheapest desktop computer I can buy today is faster than 95% of users need. So people have switched to buying on features, reliability, quality, etc - all the things where Apple excels.
Phones are already at that point for many people, as well. Some hard core game players may feel otherwise, but most of them wouldn't play games on a phone, anyway. It's just not as big a selling feature for phones as the ecosystem, battery life, etc.
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Originally Posted by majjo
And this is exactly what Samsung is claiming:
And Apple markets their specs just as much as anyone else.
Good one. Look at that page you cited. Apple markets their FEATURES. You know, the things you can do with the device. And how great the display looks. Very rarely does Apple market a spec - and when they do, it's almost always in support of a specific feature. For example, when they talk about the quad core GPU in the iPad (which they don't do in any of their ads), they use it only to show the great gaming experience you can get.
Look at Apple's iPhone commercials. Not a word about the specs. They talk about the things you can do with the phone.
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Originally Posted by peter236
Apple fanboys probably think consumers do not care about the number of cores, since Apple lags behind in the numbers of cores.
But if Apple releases a quad core phone first, all Apple fanboys will be cheering.
Not at all. If any of the Android sheep companies ever release a product with FEATURES comparable to the iPhone, then it will be worth talking about. Since Apple's devices perform better than Android hardware with comparable CPUs (see Anand's tests), 'lagging' behind in the number of cores doesn't seem to be hurting Apple.
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Originally Posted by Scaramanga89
I seem to recall "QUAD CORE" being rather prominent in the launch of the new iPad.
Cake and eat it.
Where? Show me an iPad ad where 'quad core' was prominent. Apple's ads generally don't even mention the specs or if they do, it's a casual mention. Apple's ads are all about the things you can do with the device and how great it looks (like the new iPad's display), not specs.
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Originally Posted by Morky
One thing that might be said is that programming for Android to take advantage of four cores is exceedingly difficult. Apple has simplified this with GCD, so it's more likely you'll see iOS Apps that can actually use four cores when needed.
Exactly. It's not about specs, it's about what you get out of the hardware that matters - and Apple does very well.
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Originally Posted by MHD
You have it confused with the iPhone 4S.
http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/iphone-4s-users-charged-over-battery-life-119460
ROTFLMAO. Apple has sold 100 million iPhones and MSNBC managed to find a handful who were complaining about their battery life. In reality (see the battery life chart in the post above mine), Apple's phones do very well.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
I really don't think that you can treat phones the way that computers used to be treated with these spec wars. It's a phone... if it works well then that's all the customer will worry about. It's going to be a very small percentage of customers who actually give a shit about how fast it runs.
I had a non-techie friend recently go to buy an iPhone and she got talked into buying an HTC One X by the salesperson. When I asked her why, she said it was quad core and the iPhone is only dual core. I was going to press her on why anyone would care if their phone is quad core vs. dual core but didn't want to make her feel bad about her purchase. The problem is that the salespeople are paid to shill for these phones and "quad core" is one more talking point they can use to convince a customer to buy it vs. an iPhone (same with megapixels, screen size, etc). It shouldn't be like that but it frequently is.
Not just MSNBC, even Apple pal ABC and just about every news agency in the world has covered the famous iPhone 4S battery drainage problem.
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/iphone-4s-battery-issue-apple-investigates-battery-drains/story?id=14856911#.T5k479lLOSo
On Apple’s support forum the “ iPhone 4S Battery Life” thread is over 800 pages long LOL.
https://discussions.apple.com/message/18222968#18222968
Why is this in Genius Bar? I don't understand how a story's thread gets put into the wrong subforum.
Moving...Moved.
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Originally Posted by MHD
What do you think about this commercial?
Commercial's okay, if somewhat "meh, so what?". Now Shamelesssung needs to be more consistent.
Unfortunately, their most prominent impression has forever been embedded into my psyche. They would have to reinvent themselves for me to change my mind. The competition's basic motto has always been "mea culpa". It is very hard to really respect any company or anyone like that.
However, this is my personal bias. If there are people that benefit from their products, then more power to them.
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Originally Posted by uguysrnuts
Commercial's okay, if somewhat "meh, so what?".
LOL If it was Apple I'm pretty sure your reaction would be different than "meh, so what".
Disappointing A9 quad core cant be use by the OS or apps and Mali 400 GPU is old and underpowered. I agree that A15 dual core is the future and the A5X GPU for mobile. Rogue 6 looks like it might be to power hungry for mobile phones but might work on tablets. The same problem for the A5X chip on a phone, IMHO iphone 5 will have a A5X chip Dual core on both CPU and GPU. And will beat this chip handily...
I'll take a dual-core Cortex-A15 over a quad-core Cortex-A9 with the same cycles per second on the same lithography. It's that simple! it's about the performance, not about the number of cores you have.
Beyond that i's all about the real world user experience. Besides wanting a device that is snappy it also has to last a long time. Apple has not only balanced this from the start but has continually bested the competition in battery life and real world performance, which has a lot to o to actually caring about the code they write. That is what is important, not some singled out and silly metric that by itself has absolutely no barring on the device's performance.
It's the same thing as caring about megapixels over the quality of an image. If Mpx or processor cores are your measure then you have no idea what you're talking about.
I hope it's ready in time for the 6th gen iPhone but it's not looking so good right now as I'd expect to have seen several smaller vendors announcing releases for the 2nd half of the year.
Agree, and the concept form the intro video of osx.
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Originally Posted by MHD
LOL If it was Apple I'm pretty sure your reaction would be different than "meh, so what".
To be honest, I don't particularly care to watch Apple ads either. I just simply don't like ads.
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Originally Posted by MJ4Ev3r
Samesung's video is in BAD TASTE...as always!
Why? The message is essentially the same as Apple's "Lemmings" ad from back in the 1980s. Use our product or be a mindless drone.
The problem is not Samsung, it's the Droid OS.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Twice the "performance" while using 20% less power is great but unfortunately they are probably going to advertise the hell out of it being quad-core. I wonder what people will think when dual-core Cortex-A15 has even higher performance and uses even less power?
"People" will never know.
Geeks only.