<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>Hattig</strong> <a href="/t/149629/samsung-confirms-quad-core-processor-for-next-flagship-galaxy-smartphone/40#post_2101291"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> The Samsung Galaxy SII with a 45nm Exynos SoC uses a quad-core Mali-400, and it is one of the better performing mobile phone GPUs out there.</p> <p> </p> <p> There's no reason to believe that this new 32nm Exynos will have gone backwards, so it's either a faster quad-core Mail-400, an octo-core Mali-400, or a more modern Mali - T604 probably.</p> </div></div><p> </p><p> Did you actually say the Mali-400 was one of the better performing SoC's? Thanks for the laugh. My original comment stands. Mali-400 sucks. It's not even as fast as an underclocked 800MHz A5 in the 4S, a chip that's more than a year old already. Which carefully selected benchmark did you use to conclude that Mali-400 is "one of the better performing" SoC's?</p><p> </p><p> They better use the T604, but it's not likely. All previous evidence points to the T604 only ending up in future A15 SoC's, though Samsug might surprise us. Even so, the T604 is only about equal to the A5X, so Samsung isn't really bringing anything groundbreaking here even if they do use the T604 (unlikely anyway).</p><p> </p><p> It's Samsung who is stating their new Exynos is great for high performance 3D graphics. They're the ones advertising the graphics performance, so to see them ship a crappy Mali-400 would be a joke.</p><p> </p><p> Even funnier that it was ZZZ who gave you a "like".</p>
From what I have seen, most reviewers acknowledge that where some of the android and other non apple phone beat the iphone on specs, the IOS optimizations surpass the hardware specs generally in performance.
Any reviewer making such comments are blowing smoke. No one can make such a sweeping statement one way or the other.
A TV ad and actually going to an Apple store and doing something that is borderline harassment are completely different.
It's the same as those environmentalist morons and the people who petition how "locked-down" the iPhone is. Samsung has just as much right to do crap as they do, and Samsung's black sheep aren't even going in the building, so even less can be done about them.
If I were Apple, and if the group was really hired by Samsung I would definitely make a statement. After all they insulted the customers like you said, if I were Apple I would have to say something about that.
If I were Apple, and if the group was really hired by Samsung I would definitely make a statement. After all they insulted the customers like you said, if I were Apple I would have to say something about that.
Thing is, Samsung has been doing that since the 'waiting in line' ads. Unless it's specifically offensive to a subset of Apple users that are part of a larger oft-stereotyped group (I mean, for example, minority Apple users or based on their religion. In other words, Apple users that also fall under another group against whom prejudice has previously been shown in other settings), I don't think Apple will (or should, I guess) make a statement on it.
Ignoring them is the best policy. Otherwise you get, "LOL IT WORKED THEY'RE AFRAID OF US LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".
Oh, I don't know. This just proves Shamesung's real enemy is itself.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Look at this.
It's a PAID flash mob… holding up signs that say "Wake Up"… to people in an Apple Store… of their own volition.
And… and Samsung… they put a herd of sheep in their commercial.
…
It needs to be illegal to insult customers. Doesn't matter who they are, all customers should be protected from insult. Insult companies all you want, but not customers.
If I were Apple, and if the group was really hired by Samsung I would definitely make a statement. After all they insulted the customers like you said, if I were Apple I would have to say something about that.
Sometimes the biggest insult one can achieve is to ignore the offending party. It says "you don't matter enough for me to give any response." You don't flail your arms around because some gnats are flying around, they just aren't worth the effort.
As a Korean-American, I’m ashamed of Samsung and the tacky, classless way they do business. I’ve never owned a Samsung-branded product in my life and most likely never will. The only thing that’ll make me change my mind is if the Samsung Group conglomerate gets split up into dozens of independent companies without the Samsung brand.
Every time I go to Seoul I get sick of the Samsung brand blaring at my face wherever I turn: Samsung microwave ovens, Samsung department stores, Samsung apartment complexes, Samsung buses, Samsung life insurance, Samsung securities, Samsung shipbuilding, Samsung blah-blah-blah… Sickening…
And now, the family members that own the Samsung Group are embroiled in an ugly and vicious public spat over inheritance matters and suing each other in court – calling each other greedy thieves and such. It is such a disgraceful and shameful thing to observe. You’ve got multi-billionaire family members fighting over even more money.
Well, I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise when the Chairman and CEO of Samsung, Lee Kun-Hee who is the richest person in Korea with net worth over $10 billion, was indicted for tax evasion and a conspiracy to cover it up. The guy got nailed and would have gone to jail but the President pardoned him because Samsung is considered too big of a part of the Korean economy. Ridiculous.
So that’s the kind of leadership that SameDUNG has – a bunch of greedy egomaniacs calling family members nasty names in public because they all want another $1 billion or something like that. It’s no wonder that crap flows on down and Samsung behaves as it does. The fish stinks from the head on down.
Who really cares? More than half of these "demonstrators" probably have iPhones in their pockets. They're all more than likely checking out that same Apple Store after fulfilling their "demonstration" obligation.
This is probably the best promotion for Apple, and they didn't even have to pay a cent for it. Shamesung is apparently more than enthused to dig its own hole ever deeper. You can't possibly ask for a more stupid competition with such shortsighted vision.
Sometimes the biggest insult one can achieve is to ignore the offending party. It says "you don't matter enough for me to give any response." You don't flail your arms around because some gnats are flying around, they just aren't worth the effort.
Seems like folks here are wishing it was Samsung but are secretly afraid that it might not be. Why else would you not advocate Apple releasing a condemning statement about something that is clearly out of the norm.
Seems like folks here are wishing it was Samsung but are secretly afraid that it might not be. Why else would you not advocate Apple releasing a condemning statement about something that is clearly out of the norm.
Because it's not out of the norm. Apple's attacked all the time.
I hope that it IS Samsung, but I'm secretly afraid that it isn't them. If that IS the case, I wish CultofMac and 9to5 wouldn't have reported on it unless they were sure.
What we all should see is the sheep commercial, as it's a given that that is Samsung.
Who really cares? More than half of these "demonstrators" probably have iPhones in their pockets. They're all more than likely checking out that same Apple Store after fulfilling their "demonstration" obligation.
This is probably the best promotion for Apple, and they didn't even have to pay a cent for it. Shamesung is apparently more than enthused to dig its own hole ever deeper. You can't possibly ask for a more stupid competition with such shortsighted vision.
Actually, these are probably the same people who were demonstrating and petitioning Apple about labour practices. Since that left them with nothing to do... well, flash mob!
Splitting hairs over terms are we? The Mali-400 is slower than the GPU used in the A5 and A5X (PowerVR 543MP2 and MP4). Running a newer version clocked faster it barely beats the 4S and still lags the iPad. And this for a brand-new flagship processor combination? Just catching up to a year old A5?
As I sad before, Mali-400 is a joke. It's old and it's slow.
No, not any more than they understand what dual overhead cams or four barrel carburetors do but in their mind 4 is better than 2.
Funny thing is that adding more cores has almost no advantage unless the application software is optimized to use it efficiently. In fact unless the programs and compilers are reworked and reconfigured from the ground up to take advantage of the additional cores all you have is more battery drain for no performance gain.
1. Samsung is claiming it uses 20% less power.
2. Without a quad core phone out there, there won't be a driving force for developers to rework their apps, so now you have a chicken and egg problem.
3. Even without apps specifically developed for thread parallelism, Android can make use of the additional cores. See:
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As expected, finding applications and usage models to task all four cores is pretty difficult. That being said, it's not hard to use the tablet in such a way that you do stress more than two cores. You won't see 100% CPU utilization across all four cores, but there will be a tangible benefit to having more than two. Whether or not the benefit is worth the cost in die area is irrelevant, it only means that NVIDIA (and/or its partners) have to pay more as the price of the end product to you is already pretty much capped.
The bigger benefit I saw to having four cores vs. two is that you're pretty much never CPU limited in anything you do when multitasking. Per core performance can always go up but I found myself bound either by the broken WiFi or NAND speed. In fact, the only thing that would bring the Prime to a halt was if I happened to be doing a lot of writing to NAND over USB. Keyboard and touch interrupts were a low priority at that point, something I hope to see addressed as we are finally entering the era of performance good enough to bring on some I/O crushing multitasking workloads.
Despite having many cores at its disposal, NVIDIA appears to have erred on the side of caution when it comes to power consumption. While I often saw the third and fourth cores fire up when browsing the web or just using the tablet, NVIDIA did a good job of powering them down when their help wasn't needed. Furthermore, NVIDIA also seems to prefer running more cores at lower voltage/frequency settings than fewer cores at a higher point in the v/f curve. This makes sense given the non-linear relationship between voltage and power.
From a die area perspective I'm not entirely sure having four (technically, five) A9 cores is the best way to deliver high performance, but without a new microprocessor architecture it's surely more efficient than just ratcheting up clock speed.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Good one. Look at that page you cited. Apple markets their FEATURES. You know, the things you can do with the device. And how great the display looks. Very rarely does Apple market a spec - and when they do, it's almost always in support of a specific feature. For example, when they talk about the quad core GPU in the iPad (which they don't do in any of their ads), they use it only to show the great gaming experience you can get.
Looking a the page I cited:
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Two cores in the A5 chip deliver up to two times more power and up to seven times faster graphics.
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Because behind every shot, you’ve got 8-megapixel resolution and a custom lens with a larger f/2.4 aperture.
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The Retina display on the new iPad features a 2048-by-1536 resolution, 44 percent greater color saturation, and an astounding 3.1 million pixels — in the same 9.7-inch space.
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The A5X chip with quad-core graphics drives four times the pixels of iPad 2 yet it delivers the same smoothness and fluidity iPad is known for.
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The new iPad features Apple’s 5-megapixel iSight camera. Designed with advanced optics, it lets you shoot gorgeous photos and 1080p HD video.
Just because Apple includes a few additional sentences describing how the spec matters doesn't negate the fact that specs themselves are also being heavily promoted.
You know, I am actually really excited about this phone. At the end of the day, phones like Samsung's Galaxy series, on Android, like them or loathe them, keep Apple on their toes and drives their innovation faster and harder. And the ultimate beneficiaries are us, the consumer.
Yes, I totally agree that in 2007, the iPhone was the game-changer. A paradigm shift in mobile technology. Undoubtedly. But do you really think we would be at the level of iPhone 4S today, if it wasn't was "copiers" like Samsung/Google etc. causing Apple to make their "best products", greater still?
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Originally Posted by MHD
What other campaigns.
"You got Samsung'd", the one before that, the one before that, the one before that… You can't seriously think this is their first ad campaign.
Apple doesn't acknowledge "competitors". What reason do they have to put out a statement about them?
1. Mali-400 is not a SoC. It's a GPU.
2. A5 is a SoC, not a GPU. Don't compare it to Mali-400.
3. A5's CPU is clocked at 800MHz. The CPU has almost nothing to do with graphics performance.
4. http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-GT-I9300-Galaxy-S-III-graphics-benchmark-appears-poised-to-rule-them-all_id29364#1-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-with-ARM-Mali-400
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
"You got Samsung'd", the one before that, the one before that, the one before that… You can't seriously think this is their first ad campaign.
Apple doesn't acknowledge "competitors". What reason do they have to put out a statement about them?
A TV ad and actually going to an Apple store and doing something that is borderline harassment are completely different.
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Originally Posted by xgman
From what I have seen, most reviewers acknowledge that where some of the android and other non apple phone beat the iphone on specs, the IOS optimizations surpass the hardware specs generally in performance.
Any reviewer making such comments are blowing smoke. No one can make such a sweeping statement one way or the other.
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Originally Posted by MHD
A TV ad and actually going to an Apple store and doing something that is borderline harassment are completely different.
It's the same as those environmentalist morons and the people who petition how "locked-down" the iPhone is. Samsung has just as much right to do crap as they do, and Samsung's black sheep aren't even going in the building, so even less can be done about them.
If I were Apple, and if the group was really hired by Samsung I would definitely make a statement. After all they insulted the customers like you said, if I were Apple I would have to say something about that.
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Originally Posted by MHD
If I were Apple, and if the group was really hired by Samsung I would definitely make a statement. After all they insulted the customers like you said, if I were Apple I would have to say something about that.
Thing is, Samsung has been doing that since the 'waiting in line' ads. Unless it's specifically offensive to a subset of Apple users that are part of a larger oft-stereotyped group (I mean, for example, minority Apple users or based on their religion. In other words, Apple users that also fall under another group against whom prejudice has previously been shown in other settings), I don't think Apple will (or should, I guess) make a statement on it.
Ignoring them is the best policy. Otherwise you get, "LOL IT WORKED THEY'RE AFRAID OF US LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".
Oh, I don't know. This just proves Shamesung's real enemy is itself.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Look at this.
It's a PAID flash mob… holding up signs that say "Wake Up"… to people in an Apple Store… of their own volition.
And… and Samsung… they put a herd of sheep in their commercial.
…
It needs to be illegal to insult customers. Doesn't matter who they are, all customers should be protected from insult. Insult companies all you want, but not customers.
Samsung will never make more money selling their phones/tablets as they do with component to apple. Such hypocracy...
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Originally Posted by MHD
If I were Apple, and if the group was really hired by Samsung I would definitely make a statement. After all they insulted the customers like you said, if I were Apple I would have to say something about that.
Sometimes the biggest insult one can achieve is to ignore the offending party. It says "you don't matter enough for me to give any response." You don't flail your arms around because some gnats are flying around, they just aren't worth the effort.
That (dumb) ad (for a forgettable product) will need to be changed to "Your wife will love the quad-core processor."
As a Korean-American, I’m ashamed of Samsung and the tacky, classless way they do business. I’ve never owned a Samsung-branded product in my life and most likely never will. The only thing that’ll make me change my mind is if the Samsung Group conglomerate gets split up into dozens of independent companies without the Samsung brand.
Every time I go to Seoul I get sick of the Samsung brand blaring at my face wherever I turn: Samsung microwave ovens, Samsung department stores, Samsung apartment complexes, Samsung buses, Samsung life insurance, Samsung securities, Samsung shipbuilding, Samsung blah-blah-blah… Sickening…
And now, the family members that own the Samsung Group are embroiled in an ugly and vicious public spat over inheritance matters and suing each other in court – calling each other greedy thieves and such. It is such a disgraceful and shameful thing to observe. You’ve got multi-billionaire family members fighting over even more money.
Well, I guess it shouldn’t be a surprise when the Chairman and CEO of Samsung, Lee Kun-Hee who is the richest person in Korea with net worth over $10 billion, was indicted for tax evasion and a conspiracy to cover it up. The guy got nailed and would have gone to jail but the President pardoned him because Samsung is considered too big of a part of the Korean economy. Ridiculous.
So that’s the kind of leadership that SameDUNG has – a bunch of greedy egomaniacs calling family members nasty names in public because they all want another $1 billion or something like that. It’s no wonder that crap flows on down and Samsung behaves as it does. The fish stinks from the head on down.
Who really cares? More than half of these "demonstrators" probably have iPhones in their pockets. They're all more than likely checking out that same Apple Store after fulfilling their "demonstration" obligation.
This is probably the best promotion for Apple, and they didn't even have to pay a cent for it. Shamesung is apparently more than enthused to dig its own hole ever deeper. You can't possibly ask for a more stupid competition with such shortsighted vision.
Originally Posted by island hermit
Flash mob heads over to a Samsung vendor:
"You should have bought an iPhone today
So that you don't
WAKE UP
To a shitty phone tomorrow."
'couldn't agree more.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Ignoring them is the best policy. Otherwise you get, "LOL IT WORKED THEY'RE AFRAID OF US LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".
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Originally Posted by diplication
Sometimes the biggest insult one can achieve is to ignore the offending party. It says "you don't matter enough for me to give any response." You don't flail your arms around because some gnats are flying around, they just aren't worth the effort.
Seems like folks here are wishing it was Samsung but are secretly afraid that it might not be. Why else would you not advocate Apple releasing a condemning statement about something that is clearly out of the norm.
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Originally Posted by MHD
Seems like folks here are wishing it was Samsung but are secretly afraid that it might not be. Why else would you not advocate Apple releasing a condemning statement about something that is clearly out of the norm.
Because it's not out of the norm. Apple's attacked all the time.
I hope that it IS Samsung, but I'm secretly afraid that it isn't them. If that IS the case, I wish CultofMac and 9to5 wouldn't have reported on it unless they were sure.
What we all should see is the sheep commercial, as it's a given that that is Samsung.
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Originally Posted by uguysrnuts
Who really cares? More than half of these "demonstrators" probably have iPhones in their pockets. They're all more than likely checking out that same Apple Store after fulfilling their "demonstration" obligation.
This is probably the best promotion for Apple, and they didn't even have to pay a cent for it. Shamesung is apparently more than enthused to dig its own hole ever deeper. You can't possibly ask for a more stupid competition with such shortsighted vision.
Actually, these are probably the same people who were demonstrating and petitioning Apple about labour practices. Since that left them with nothing to do... well, flash mob!
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Originally Posted by Youarewrong
1. Mali-400 is not a SoC. It's a GPU.
2. A5 is a SoC, not a GPU. Don't compare it to Mali-400.
3. A5's CPU is clocked at 800MHz. The CPU has almost nothing to do with graphics performance.
4. http://www.phonearena.com/news/Samsung-GT-I9300-Galaxy-S-III-graphics-benchmark-appears-poised-to-rule-them-all_id29364#1-Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-with-ARM-Mali-400
Splitting hairs over terms are we? The Mali-400 is slower than the GPU used in the A5 and A5X (PowerVR 543MP2 and MP4). Running a newer version clocked faster it barely beats the 4S and still lags the iPad. And this for a brand-new flagship processor combination? Just catching up to a year old A5?
As I sad before, Mali-400 is a joke. It's old and it's slow.
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Originally Posted by mstone
No, not any more than they understand what dual overhead cams or four barrel carburetors do but in their mind 4 is better than 2.
Funny thing is that adding more cores has almost no advantage unless the application software is optimized to use it efficiently. In fact unless the programs and compilers are reworked and reconfigured from the ground up to take advantage of the additional cores all you have is more battery drain for no performance gain.
1. Samsung is claiming it uses 20% less power.
2. Without a quad core phone out there, there won't be a driving force for developers to rework their apps, so now you have a chicken and egg problem.
3. Even without apps specifically developed for thread parallelism, Android can make use of the additional cores. See:
Quote:
As expected, finding applications and usage models to task all four cores is pretty difficult. That being said, it's not hard to use the tablet in such a way that you do stress more than two cores. You won't see 100% CPU utilization across all four cores, but there will be a tangible benefit to having more than two. Whether or not the benefit is worth the cost in die area is irrelevant, it only means that NVIDIA (and/or its partners) have to pay more as the price of the end product to you is already pretty much capped.
The bigger benefit I saw to having four cores vs. two is that you're pretty much never CPU limited in anything you do when multitasking. Per core performance can always go up but I found myself bound either by the broken WiFi or NAND speed. In fact, the only thing that would bring the Prime to a halt was if I happened to be doing a lot of writing to NAND over USB. Keyboard and touch interrupts were a low priority at that point, something I hope to see addressed as we are finally entering the era of performance good enough to bring on some I/O crushing multitasking workloads.
Despite having many cores at its disposal, NVIDIA appears to have erred on the side of caution when it comes to power consumption. While I often saw the third and fourth cores fire up when browsing the web or just using the tablet, NVIDIA did a good job of powering them down when their help wasn't needed. Furthermore, NVIDIA also seems to prefer running more cores at lower voltage/frequency settings than fewer cores at a higher point in the v/f curve. This makes sense given the non-linear relationship between voltage and power.
From a die area perspective I'm not entirely sure having four (technically, five) A9 cores is the best way to deliver high performance, but without a new microprocessor architecture it's surely more efficient than just ratcheting up clock speed.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Good one. Look at that page you cited. Apple markets their FEATURES. You know, the things you can do with the device. And how great the display looks. Very rarely does Apple market a spec - and when they do, it's almost always in support of a specific feature. For example, when they talk about the quad core GPU in the iPad (which they don't do in any of their ads), they use it only to show the great gaming experience you can get.
Looking a the page I cited:
Quote:
Two cores in the A5 chip deliver up to two times more power and up to seven times faster graphics.
Quote:
Because behind every shot, you’ve got 8-megapixel resolution and a custom lens with a larger f/2.4 aperture.
Quote:
The Retina display on the new iPad features a 2048-by-1536 resolution, 44 percent greater color saturation, and an astounding 3.1 million pixels — in the same 9.7-inch space.
Quote:
The A5X chip with quad-core graphics drives four times the pixels of iPad 2 yet it delivers the same smoothness and fluidity iPad is known for.
Quote:
The new iPad features Apple’s 5-megapixel iSight camera. Designed with advanced optics, it lets you shoot gorgeous photos and 1080p HD video.
Just because Apple includes a few additional sentences describing how the spec matters doesn't negate the fact that specs themselves are also being heavily promoted.
You know, I am actually really excited about this phone. At the end of the day, phones like Samsung's Galaxy series, on Android, like them or loathe them, keep Apple on their toes and drives their innovation faster and harder. And the ultimate beneficiaries are us, the consumer.
Yes, I totally agree that in 2007, the iPhone was the game-changer. A paradigm shift in mobile technology. Undoubtedly. But do you really think we would be at the level of iPhone 4S today, if it wasn't was "copiers" like Samsung/Google etc. causing Apple to make their "best products", greater still?
Bring on the war, that's what I say!