<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>island hermit</strong> <a href="/t/149629/samsung-confirms-quad-core-processor-for-next-flagship-galaxy-smartphone#post_2101153"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <p> I really don't think that you can treat phones the way that computers used to be treated with these spec wars. It's a phone... if it works well then that's all the customer will worry about. It's going to be a very small percentage of customers who actually give a shit about how fast it runs.</p> <p> </p> <p> jmho</p> </div></div><p> </p><p> Really. The war of specs ended long ago but is still kept alive by the fandroid community. Since their horrible Android systems can't compete with Apple's polished and complete product, they feel the need to feed their pathetic egos by hyping something that the rest of the world truly doesn't care about.<br /> <br /> But heck, it keeps the giggle-factor and face-palm gags going. </p>
True. But articles like this are fresh meat for the forums.
Apple didn't get to become the most valuable tech company in the world by outspec-ing the competition.
<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>Rogifan</strong> <a href="/t/149629/samsung-confirms-quad-core-processor-for-next-flagship-galaxy-smartphone#post_2101190"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> Is the average consumer who buys a phone even going to know what the heck quad core means?</div></div><p> </p><p> No, not any more than they understand what dual overhead cams or four barrel carburetors do but in their mind 4 is better than 2.</p><p> </p><p> Funny thing is that adding more cores has almost no advantage unless the application software is optimized to use it efficiently. In fact unless the programs and compilers are reworked and reconfigured from the ground up to take advantage of the additional cores all you have is more battery drain for no performance gain.</p>
A so Samsung expects the sheeple to buy their product because the non-tech savy think 4 is better than 2.
Seems the rest of the world will apparently get the quads at this point, but not the U.S.. Reminds me of how a Nexus model (I believe) was significantly different between the AT&T model and the Verizon model if my memory serves.
While it would seem a serious stretch that you'd need a quad core processor in a phone or tablet, its the way the chip industry is increasing performance and will continue to do so in the future - so it will be up to the OS makers to take advantage and harness those cores. I'm sure Apple's hardware will get quad cores as well at some point. On its face I think I'd rather just have dual cores and a die shrink to significantly reduce power usage, but that's not where things are headed (nor have they been)....so be it.
The Samsung Galaxy SII with a 45nm Exynos SoC uses a quad-core Mali-400, and it is one of the better performing mobile phone GPUs out there.
There's no reason to believe that this new 32nm Exynos will have gone backwards, so it's either a faster quad-core Mail-400, an octo-core Mali-400, or a more modern Mali - T604 probably.
Did you actually say the Mali-400 was one of the better performing SoC's? Thanks for the laugh. My original comment stands. Mali-400 sucks. It's not even as fast as an underclocked 800MHz A5 in the 4S, a chip that's more than a year old already. Which carefully selected benchmark did you use to conclude that Mali-400 is "one of the better performing" SoC's?
They better use the T604, but it's not likely. All previous evidence points to the T604 only ending up in future A15 SoC's, though Samsug might surprise us. Even so, the T604 is only about equal to the A5X, so Samsung isn't really bringing anything groundbreaking here even if they do use the T604 (unlikely anyway).
It's Samsung who is stating their new Exynos is great for high performance 3D graphics. They're the ones advertising the graphics performance, so to see them ship a crappy Mali-400 would be a joke.
Even funnier that it was ZZZ who gave you a "like".
Seems the rest of the world will apparently get the quads at this point, but not the U.S.. Reminds me of how a Nexus model (I believe) was significantly different between the AT&T model and the Verizon model if my memory serves.
ROTFLMAO. If that were Apple, the attorneys would already be lining up for the class action suit.
<div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>haar</strong> <a href="/t/149629/samsung-confirms-quad-core-processor-for-next-flagship-galaxy-smartphone/40#post_2101294"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> since tallest_skil put emoticons in a post... i assume that knowing the html code for the emoticon of choice "is just the ticket"</div></div><p> </p><p> Oh, the laugh works for me. I don't know what you guys can see, but the laugh is the only one not broken over here.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/image/id/161963/width/600/height/568" target="_blank"><img alt="Screen Shot 2012-04-26 at 11.17.03 AM.png" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/image/id/161963/width/600/height/568" /></a></p><p> </p><p> And why's the window so big? I'd be fine with it if the whole thing was filled with a wider range of emoticons, but it doesn't seem to serve any purpose when we only have eighteen of them.</p>
Perhaps AppleInsider forums are "my first HTML project" for someone
From the article "Apple is expected to counter its rivals with its own quad-core A-series processor later this year."
What will you say about quad-core when this happens LOL.
Apple will do whatever they need to do to make the device run smoothly, that's all they care about. If Apple moves to quad-core then they will do so because they feel the device will be able to take advantage of the extra processing capabilities. As an example, the quad-core GPU in the A5X was an absolute necessity to drive the higher resolution display in the new iPad. Having a display with that resolution running animations as smoothly as a display with 1/4 the number of pixels, translates to an actual real world experience, they are not simply specs.
This is how Apple will deal with a move to more CPU cores in future SoC designs. Apple views mobile devices as a single focus oriented devices with an occasional need to pop into a second app for whatever reason. Mobile phones/devices with smaller screens are not going to be used by people for doing anything hard core. The need for Apple to throw more CPU cores into the mix is pointless. The current devices run iOS flawlessly, apps load extremely fast, and the interface is remarkably responsive and smooth. This is happening with 2 CPU cores running at 800MHz on the iPhone 4S and 1GHz on the new iPad. Hell, even the iPhone 3GS runs iOS 5 fairly well and it's got a 600MHz, single core ARM A8.
What Apple is "expected" to do and what they actually do are usually two different things. This is because that's how analysts minds work. They assume the only way to beat them is to continue to play the same game even when it's not necessary to do so. I don't believe Apple will release a quad core iPhone. It will be a dual core ARM A15 running at about 1.2GHz.
Funny thing is that adding more cores has almost no advantage unless the application software is optimized to use it efficiently. In fact unless the programs and compilers are reworked and reconfigured from the ground up to take advantage of the additional cores all you have is more battery drain for no performance gain.
How much does the OS do to distribute the load?
And why did they say this?
Clocked at 1.4GHz, the processor will be about "twice as powerfulwhile using 20 percent less power," MacNNnoted the company as saying.
Disappointing A9 quad core cant be use by the OS or apps and Mali 400 GPU is old and underpowered. I agree that A15 dual core is the future and the A5X GPU for mobile. Rogue 6 looks like it might be to power hungry for mobile phones but might work on tablets. The same problem for the A5X chip on a phone, IMHO iphone 5 will have a A5X chip Dual core on both CPU and GPU. And will beat this chip handily...
I hope it's ready in time for the 6th gen iPhone but it's not looking so good right now as I'd expect to have seen several smaller vendors announcing releases for the 2nd half of the year.
Yes A15 won't be ready for iPhone 5, and IMHO a quad core GPU on the iPhone screen does not make sence battery wise. So I expect a A5X dual core CPU/GPU on the new iPhone which is enough to compete/beat the competition. A9 quad core is just a waist of 2 cores that won't be used and a battery drain on android phones...
<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>ShAdOwXPR</strong> <a href="/t/149629/samsung-confirms-quad-core-processor-for-next-flagship-galaxy-smartphone/40#post_2101256"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <p> Disappointing A9 quad core cant be use by the OS or apps and Mali 400 GPU is old and underpowered. I agree that A15 dual core is the future and the A5X GPU for mobile. Rogue 6 looks like it might be to power hungry for mobile phones but might work on tablets. The same problem for the A5X chip on a phone, IMHO iphone 5 will have a A5X chip Dual core on both CPU and GPU. And will beat this chip handily...</p> </div></div><p> </p><p> A dual core A5X is just an A5. The only difference in the X, are those two extra GPU cores.</p><p> </p><p> I don't know why people are so against more powerful GPUs. The Vita has the same GPU as the iPad 3 and seems to be producing some nice visuals with it. </p><p> </p><p> Bring on the power I say, and start porting X360 games to the iPhone with no loss in quality.</p>
CPU is the same but the GPU is a new chip so if the new iPhone uses a dual core A5X it will have the new GPU just dual core and that is a big difference. IMHO for a 4" screen it's more than enough not to mention the 1g of ram than the new iPad has will also help a lot on the new iPhone...
It's a PAID flash mob… holding up signs that say "Wake Up"… to people in an Apple Store… of their own volition.
And… and Samsung… they put a herd of sheep in their commercial.
…
It needs to be illegal to insult customers. Doesn't matter who they are, all customers should be protected from insult. Insult companies all you want, but not customers.
<p> Look at this.</p><p> </p><p> <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/image/id/161972/width/600/height/433" target="_blank"><img alt="Screen Shot 2012-04-26 at 12.37.42 PM.png" src="http://forums.appleinsider.com/image/id/161972/width/600/height/433" /></a></p><p> </p><p> It's a PAID flash mob… holding up signs that say "Wake Up"… to people in an Apple Store… of their own volition.</p><p> </p><p> And… and Samsung… they put a herd of sheep in their commercial.</p><p> </p><p> …</p><p> </p><p> It needs to be illegal to insult customers. Doesn't matter who they are, all customers should be protected from insult. Insult companies all you want, but not customers.</p>
Gee can the Fandroids still claim Samsung isn't obsessed with Apple?
It's a PAID flash mob… holding up signs that say "Wake Up"… to people in an Apple Store… of their own volition.
And… and Samsung… they put a herd of sheep in their commercial.
…
It needs to be illegal to insult customers. Doesn't matter who they are, all customers should be protected from insult. Insult companies all you want, but not customers.
Oh, the laugh works for me. I don't know what you guys can see, but the laugh is the only one not broken over here.
And why's the window so big? I'd be fine with it if the whole thing was filled with a wider range of emoticons, but it doesn't seem to serve any purpose when we only have eighteen of them.
Here are some that work but you have to edit the source directly. Put in the lol.gif then change the src to one of these.
A dual core A5X is just an A5. The only difference in the X, are those two extra GPU cores.
This is an exemplar of how people here are blowing hot air on a topic they know little about. The difference between A5 and A5X is not just "those two extra GPU cores". In fact, not all A5s are equal.
If it really is Samsung behind this stunt you would expect Apple to make a statement about it.
Why? Apple hasn't responded to any of their other campaigns.
Though I wouldn't be opposed to a short statement asking what kind of company that exists to sell products would think that insulting its customers was a good idea.
Comments
True. But articles like this are fresh meat for the forums.
Apple didn't get to become the most valuable tech company in the world by outspec-ing the competition.
Not that it matters much, but it looks like the US bound Galaxy S 3's will use dual core snapdragon's, not the quad core chips.
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/04/samsung-executive-says-to-expect-snapdragon-processors-in-us-bound-galaxy-s-iii/
Seems the rest of the world will apparently get the quads at this point, but not the U.S.. Reminds me of how a Nexus model (I believe) was significantly different between the AT&T model and the Verizon model if my memory serves.
While it would seem a serious stretch that you'd need a quad core processor in a phone or tablet, its the way the chip industry is increasing performance and will continue to do so in the future - so it will be up to the OS makers to take advantage and harness those cores. I'm sure Apple's hardware will get quad cores as well at some point. On its face I think I'd rather just have dual cores and a die shrink to significantly reduce power usage, but that's not where things are headed (nor have they been)....so be it.
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Originally Posted by Hattig
The Samsung Galaxy SII with a 45nm Exynos SoC uses a quad-core Mali-400, and it is one of the better performing mobile phone GPUs out there.
There's no reason to believe that this new 32nm Exynos will have gone backwards, so it's either a faster quad-core Mail-400, an octo-core Mali-400, or a more modern Mali - T604 probably.
Did you actually say the Mali-400 was one of the better performing SoC's? Thanks for the laugh. My original comment stands. Mali-400 sucks. It's not even as fast as an underclocked 800MHz A5 in the 4S, a chip that's more than a year old already. Which carefully selected benchmark did you use to conclude that Mali-400 is "one of the better performing" SoC's?
They better use the T604, but it's not likely. All previous evidence points to the T604 only ending up in future A15 SoC's, though Samsug might surprise us. Even so, the T604 is only about equal to the A5X, so Samsung isn't really bringing anything groundbreaking here even if they do use the T604 (unlikely anyway).
It's Samsung who is stating their new Exynos is great for high performance 3D graphics. They're the ones advertising the graphics performance, so to see them ship a crappy Mali-400 would be a joke.
Even funnier that it was ZZZ who gave you a "like".
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Originally Posted by Sasparilla
Not that it matters much, but it looks like the US bound Galaxy S 3's will use dual core snapdragon's, not the quad core chips.
http://www.tmonews.com/2012/04/samsung-executive-says-to-expect-snapdragon-processors-in-us-bound-galaxy-s-iii/
Seems the rest of the world will apparently get the quads at this point, but not the U.S.. Reminds me of how a Nexus model (I believe) was significantly different between the AT&T model and the Verizon model if my memory serves.
ROTFLMAO. If that were Apple, the attorneys would already be lining up for the class action suit.
Perhaps AppleInsider forums are "my first HTML project" for someone
Quote:
Originally Posted by MHD
LMAO don't get your panties in a bunch fb's.
From the article "Apple is expected to counter its rivals with its own quad-core A-series processor later this year."
What will you say about quad-core when this happens LOL.
Apple will do whatever they need to do to make the device run smoothly, that's all they care about. If Apple moves to quad-core then they will do so because they feel the device will be able to take advantage of the extra processing capabilities. As an example, the quad-core GPU in the A5X was an absolute necessity to drive the higher resolution display in the new iPad. Having a display with that resolution running animations as smoothly as a display with 1/4 the number of pixels, translates to an actual real world experience, they are not simply specs.
This is how Apple will deal with a move to more CPU cores in future SoC designs. Apple views mobile devices as a single focus oriented devices with an occasional need to pop into a second app for whatever reason. Mobile phones/devices with smaller screens are not going to be used by people for doing anything hard core. The need for Apple to throw more CPU cores into the mix is pointless. The current devices run iOS flawlessly, apps load extremely fast, and the interface is remarkably responsive and smooth. This is happening with 2 CPU cores running at 800MHz on the iPhone 4S and 1GHz on the new iPad. Hell, even the iPhone 3GS runs iOS 5 fairly well and it's got a 600MHz, single core ARM A8.
What Apple is "expected" to do and what they actually do are usually two different things. This is because that's how analysts minds work. They assume the only way to beat them is to continue to play the same game even when it's not necessary to do so. I don't believe Apple will release a quad core iPhone. It will be a dual core ARM A15 running at about 1.2GHz.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mstone
Funny thing is that adding more cores has almost no advantage unless the application software is optimized to use it efficiently. In fact unless the programs and compilers are reworked and reconfigured from the ground up to take advantage of the additional cores all you have is more battery drain for no performance gain.
How much does the OS do to distribute the load?
And why did they say this?
Clocked at 1.4GHz, the processor will be about "twice as powerful while using 20 percent less power," MacNN noted the company as saying.
Yes A15 won't be ready for iPhone 5, and IMHO a quad core GPU on the iPhone screen does not make sence battery wise. So I expect a A5X dual core CPU/GPU on the new iPhone which is enough to compete/beat the competition. A9 quad core is just a waist of 2 cores that won't be used and a battery drain on android phones...
CPU is the same but the GPU is a new chip so if the new iPhone uses a dual core A5X it will have the new GPU just dual core and that is a big difference. IMHO for a 4" screen it's more than enough not to mention the 1g of ram than the new iPad has will also help a lot on the new iPhone...
Look at this.
It's a PAID flash mob… holding up signs that say "Wake Up"… to people in an Apple Store… of their own volition.
And… and Samsung… they put a herd of sheep in their commercial.
…
It needs to be illegal to insult customers. Doesn't matter who they are, all customers should be protected from insult. Insult companies all you want, but not customers.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Look at this.
It's a PAID flash mob… holding up signs that say "Wake Up"… to people in an Apple Store… of their own volition.
And… and Samsung… they put a herd of sheep in their commercial.
…
It needs to be illegal to insult customers. Doesn't matter who they are, all customers should be protected from insult. Insult companies all you want, but not customers.
Flash mob heads over to a Samsung vendor:
"You should have bought an iPhone today
So that you don't
WAKE UP
To a shitty phone tomorrow."
If it really is Samsung behind this stunt you would expect Apple to make a statement about it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Oh, the laugh works for me. I don't know what you guys can see, but the laugh is the only one not broken over here.
And why's the window so big? I'd be fine with it if the whole thing was filled with a wider range of emoticons, but it doesn't seem to serve any purpose when we only have eighteen of them.
Here are some that work but you have to edit the source directly. Put in the lol.gif then change the src to one of these.
devil.gif
biggrin.gif
cool.gif
crying.gif
rolleyes.gif
tongue.gif
mad.gif
wink.gif
happy.gif
blush.gif
frown.gif
Sorry I could not find "Smokey"
EDIT: Found it. smoking.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by kotatsu
A dual core A5X is just an A5. The only difference in the X, are those two extra GPU cores.
This is an exemplar of how people here are blowing hot air on a topic they know little about. The difference between A5 and A5X is not just "those two extra GPU cores". In fact, not all A5s are equal.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MHD
If it really is Samsung behind this stunt you would expect Apple to make a statement about it.
Why? Apple hasn't responded to any of their other campaigns.
Though I wouldn't be opposed to a short statement asking what kind of company that exists to sell products would think that insulting its customers was a good idea.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShAdOwXPR
IMHO for a 4" screen it's more than enough not to mention the 1g of ram than the new iPad has will also help a lot on the new iPhone...
I'd like to hear the rationale behind that opinion.
What other campaigns.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ShAdOwXPR
A9 quad core is just a waist of 2 cores that won't be used and a battery drain on android phones...
You are 100% sure of this?