Wow. That's one ringing endorsement of Apple. Not.
I've heard many, many reasons to buy apple products. But never that one.
If people are honest and forthright, I think this is really one of the main reasons for using Apple gear and software. (just so as to not have to sue a Microsoft product) I know it's one of my main motivations.
Microsoft makes the worst OS I've ever seen or used and the worst Word processor I've ever used also (I never personally used much of the rest of their offerings although I have a lot of experience helping others with them). It absolutely was my main motivation in choosing to switch to Macs that Microsoft personally made my life so much hell for so long with their awful awful products.
I actually wanted to switch a lot sooner, but there wasn't anything better until OS-X 10.3 or so. I'm a big Apple supporter and I used Macs all the way back to the classic days, but (again totally honest), I think the old Mac OS was pretty horrible and I didn't like it at all although I used it for work on a daily basis. Same goes for OS-X until about 10.3 when it just *barely* nudged out Windows as a better alternative.
I don't choose products based on what's popular or emotional stuff, I pick what I think is the best designed, most sensible alternative out of what's out there. Sometimes you have to hold your nose and use the best of a bad lot. That being said, it's still totally true (and a rational decision IMO) that I switched to OS X almost exclusively just to get away from the horror that is Microsoft.
IMO they are just a disgusting immoral company run by yahoos that have no sense of style or design and who additionally make some of the worst products I've ever seen or used.
It competes with iCloud in almost no way on almost no platforms. Dropbox and Google Drive are where its focus should be.
Very true. iCloud has a totally different intent and that is focused on the single user and his documents and data. That can work with skydive, not against it. Dropbox and such are the bigger issue
iCloud's implementation of document access and sharing is cumbersome when compared to other iOS-centric services like Contact and Calendar updates,
And how exactly have Contact and Calendar updates anything to do with document sharing?
Apple dropped the (already dropped) ball with the horrid idisk... If they couldn't buy dropbox they should have looked for an alternative, or maybe not have been el cheapos and made dropbox a better offer. Icloud leaves a lot to be desired... And the compromised pages sharing feature works a little bit better than idisk, hardly a compliment...
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Originally Posted by kingsmuse
Skydrive may not be a worthy replacement for Dropbox but this comparison page does point out that Apple is stubbornly sticking to it`s hatred of a file system.
They don't really hate the file system, they hate any system they don't offer. If they could/would buy dropbox they 'd love the file system as much as they 'll love the ipad mini of q4 2012.
If you look at the "computers" people use a great deal of Windows users also use iOS-based devices. MS looks to be using this to keep more people tied to the Windows ecosystem which seems to be slowly shrinking due to the iPad's success.
It played for me as a native MP4 in Safari 5.2 (8536.8.5) in ML Preview 3.1. Nothing on iPad or iPhone. Odd for a company that's trying to sell their iOS-compatible SkyDrive.
So, here's how this works: A MS fanboi watches the video and shes how nicely iPads and iPhones play with his PC so he goes out and buys them instead of waiting for the MS WinMo8 stuff.
Peace and Harmony reign in the valley and everyone but the troll under the bridge was happy. The Troll rubbed his sweaty armpits and screamed, "developers," over and over to no one in general.
Apple dropped the (already dropped) ball with the horrid idisk... If they couldn't buy dropbox they should have looked for an alternative, or maybe not have been el cheapos and made dropbox a better offer. Icloud leaves a lot to be desired... And the compromised pages sharing feature works a little bit better than idisk, hardly a compliment...
Jobs personally made a NINE digit offer to the Dropbox owner.
The capabilities are somewhat limited (obviously, since Address Book doesn't work on Windows, it can't sync Address Book, but iCloud is supported at some level.
Yep. It is supported on PCs and not too badly it seems. But: Address book not synched to the PC?
The link that was auto-generated in your post had incorrectly included the trailing comma. Just one example of the algorithm from the '647 patent not working properly
Lousy video. Great Cloud service. Take your pick as to which is more important.
Hmm, important... how about sharing and collaborating with documents other than Office documents. Oh, wait - from the article:
Quote:
Like Google's recently-released Google Drive, Microsoft's service also allows for file sharing and collaboration, though only Office documents are supported at this time.
So their Cloud junk has the same limitation they are complaing about iCloud having. Fail.
Wow. That's one ringing endorsement of Apple. Not.
I've heard many, many reasons to buy apple products. But never that one.
Can you read? He bought an Apple product to avoid Microsoft products. So did I, and it is indeed a ringing endorsement of Apple products that someone would pay over the odds for a better-quality computer system rather than put up with the junk Microsoft peddles.
So what is Microsoft trying to accomplish? It competes with iCloud in almost no way on almost no platforms. Dropbox and Google Drive are where its focus should be.
Since you brought up Google Drive, I want state my concern about storing anything with Google that might be mined by them for data about me and my connections to other people and companies. I have less concern with any other company-based cloud.
I was using OneNote on SkyDrive instead of Evernote. One night I was using it and had written a LOT of carefully formatted notes. I kept referring back to what I had written throughout the evening and the notes were definitely "there".
The next morning I went back to read and update those notes further and they were gone. They just vanished. A whole evening of work was lost.
So I switched to Evernote and never looked back.
If I could only find a Mac-based equivalent for MS Visual Studio so I could update some .Net websites I look after then I could completely eliminate Microsoft from my life (except of course those .Net websites).
You can use Visual Studio, just install Wine 1.2 or above along with the version of .net you need. I use it quite often for work sites. You can also use Eclipse, just install the .net plugin. There are also many online IDE's now that you can use if you don't want to install anything. Have you ever browsed threw the online apps that are available threw Google Chrome, absolutly fantastic. There isn't an installed app that you can't replace with an online one. Oh you don't need Chrome to run them but it's still nice to have installed as the Google Chrome Store shows what's available.
Just be aware that you may need to rename your files if you've used characters that Windows doesn't like. For example, it won't let you use "report 3/1/07" or "June 2007 P&L".
So much for 'cross-platform compatibility'.
You can use a lot of those characters in windows but as soon as you use sharepoint it throws a wobbler with any extended characters. Its a right pain in the ass when you are trying to explain to company directors that they have to remove non standard characters AND shorten file names due to the file path character limit in sharepoint too.
I've actually switched over to SkyDrive for all of my online storage needs. I dropped Dropbox because as an existing user of SkyDrive I got 25GB for free, and could pass up that much free space on a service I feel I can trust more than DropBox. The real thing that made me want to switch was the fact that almost 2 years after Windows phone was released, we still don't have an official DropBox app for that platform. Microsoft has every platform covered, and I enjoy being able to access all of my documents on my iPad and iPod. Now all we need is Office for iOS and then I'll be really happy.
iCloud's limitations will disappear when Mountain Lion launches- you'll be able to save documents directly to the cloud.
You can already save documents directly to the cloud in some cases. That doesn't solve the problems, though.
1. Not all apps are supported. I would like to save ALL my documents
2. I keep my files organized by project. A typical project folder might have dozens of files of all types. Using the iCloud mechanism means that the files will be all over the place and assembling them together (such as to send the project folder to a colleague for review) is a pain.
I liked iDisk. While there are a number of people complaining about its limitations, it worked well for me. Simple, transparent, and all my files were available all the time in the format I created. Dropbox is similar. iCloud's document storage is completely useless for me.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz
Wow. That's one ringing endorsement of Apple. Not.
I've heard many, many reasons to buy apple products. But never that one.
If people are honest and forthright, I think this is really one of the main reasons for using Apple gear and software. (just so as to not have to sue a Microsoft product) I know it's one of my main motivations.
Microsoft makes the worst OS I've ever seen or used and the worst Word processor I've ever used also (I never personally used much of the rest of their offerings although I have a lot of experience helping others with them). It absolutely was my main motivation in choosing to switch to Macs that Microsoft personally made my life so much hell for so long with their awful awful products.
I actually wanted to switch a lot sooner, but there wasn't anything better until OS-X 10.3 or so. I'm a big Apple supporter and I used Macs all the way back to the classic days, but (again totally honest), I think the old Mac OS was pretty horrible and I didn't like it at all although I used it for work on a daily basis. Same goes for OS-X until about 10.3 when it just *barely* nudged out Windows as a better alternative.
I don't choose products based on what's popular or emotional stuff, I pick what I think is the best designed, most sensible alternative out of what's out there. Sometimes you have to hold your nose and use the best of a bad lot. That being said, it's still totally true (and a rational decision IMO) that I switched to OS X almost exclusively just to get away from the horror that is Microsoft.
IMO they are just a disgusting immoral company run by yahoos that have no sense of style or design and who additionally make some of the worst products I've ever seen or used.
Who wouldn't run from that?
Very true. iCloud has a totally different intent and that is focused on the single user and his documents and data. That can work with skydive, not against it. Dropbox and such are the bigger issue
Quote:
iCloud's implementation of document access and sharing is cumbersome when compared to other iOS-centric services like Contact and Calendar updates,
And how exactly have Contact and Calendar updates anything to do with document sharing?
Apple dropped the (already dropped) ball with the horrid idisk... If they couldn't buy dropbox they should have looked for an alternative, or maybe not have been el cheapos and made dropbox a better offer. Icloud leaves a lot to be desired... And the compromised pages sharing feature works a little bit better than idisk, hardly a compliment...
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsmuse
Skydrive may not be a worthy replacement for Dropbox but this comparison page does point out that Apple is stubbornly sticking to it`s hatred of a file system.
They don't really hate the file system, they hate any system they don't offer. If they could/would buy dropbox they 'd love the file system as much as they 'll love the ipad mini of q4 2012.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Microsoft makes the worst OS I've ever seen
Not so sure about that anymore, apple has delivered some real competition there with lion.
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Originally Posted by myapplelove
Not so sure about that anymore, apple has delivered some real competition there with lion.
You'll want to work on your jokes.
Let me have another go:
OS X Lion.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
If you look at the "computers" people use a great deal of Windows users also use iOS-based devices. MS looks to be using this to keep more people tied to the Windows ecosystem which seems to be slowly shrinking due to the iPad's success.
It played for me as a native MP4 in Safari 5.2 (8536.8.5) in ML Preview 3.1. Nothing on iPad or iPhone. Odd for a company that's trying to sell their iOS-compatible SkyDrive.
So, here's how this works: A MS fanboi watches the video and shes how nicely iPads and iPhones play with his PC so he goes out and buys them instead of waiting for the MS WinMo8 stuff.
Peace and Harmony reign in the valley and everyone but the troll under the bridge was happy. The Troll rubbed his sweaty armpits and screamed, "developers," over and over to no one in general.
Quote:
Originally Posted by myapplelove
Apple dropped the (already dropped) ball with the horrid idisk... If they couldn't buy dropbox they should have looked for an alternative, or maybe not have been el cheapos and made dropbox a better offer. Icloud leaves a lot to be desired... And the compromised pages sharing feature works a little bit better than idisk, hardly a compliment...
Jobs personally made a NINE digit offer to the Dropbox owner.
Hai Caramba!! That was hardly being el cheapo.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
The bolded sentence is incorrect. iCloud is supported on PCs:
http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/
The capabilities are somewhat limited (obviously, since Address Book doesn't work on Windows, it can't sync Address Book, but iCloud is supported at some level.
Yep. It is supported on PCs and not too badly it seems. But: Address book not synched to the PC?
If you look at this link: http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/pc.html, you'll notice that it syncs at least:
- Mail (Outlook)
- Contacts (i.e. Address Book) (Outlook)
- Calendar and tasks (Outlook)
- Safari Bookmarks with Safari or Internet Explorer if Safari is not installed
- Photos
- Music
- iOS Apps
- eBooks
Regs, Jarkko
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Originally Posted by jahonen
Yep. It is supported on PCs and not too badly it seems. But: Address book not synched to the PC?
If you look at this link: http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/pc.html, you'll notice that it syncs at least:
- Mail (Outlook)
- Contacts (i.e. Address Book) (Outlook)
- Calendar and tasks (Outlook)
- Safari Bookmarks with Safari or Internet Explorer if Safari is not installed
- Photos
- Music
- iOS Apps
- eBooks
Regs, Jarkko
http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/pc.html
The link that was auto-generated in your post had incorrectly included the trailing comma. Just one example of the algorithm from the '647 patent not working properly
Quote:
Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz
Lousy video. Great Cloud service. Take your pick as to which is more important.
Hmm, important... how about sharing and collaborating with documents other than Office documents. Oh, wait - from the article:
Quote:
Like Google's recently-released Google Drive, Microsoft's service also allows for file sharing and collaboration, though only Office documents are supported at this time.
So their Cloud junk has the same limitation they are complaing about iCloud having. Fail.
Quote:
Originally Posted by myapplelove
Let me have another go:
OS X Lion.
Let me try this joking thing.
Windows Vista. Pink. Zune. PlaysForSure(tm). (The recently scrapped) Windows Live. Courier. Longhorn. WinFS. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Quote:
Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz
Wow. That's one ringing endorsement of Apple. Not.
I've heard many, many reasons to buy apple products. But never that one.
Can you read? He bought an Apple product to avoid Microsoft products. So did I, and it is indeed a ringing endorsement of Apple products that someone would pay over the odds for a better-quality computer system rather than put up with the junk Microsoft peddles.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MGLeet
So what is Microsoft trying to accomplish? It competes with iCloud in almost no way on almost no platforms. Dropbox and Google Drive are where its focus should be.
Since you brought up Google Drive, I want state my concern about storing anything with Google that might be mined by them for data about me and my connections to other people and companies. I have less concern with any other company-based cloud.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDCragg
I was using OneNote on SkyDrive instead of Evernote. One night I was using it and had written a LOT of carefully formatted notes. I kept referring back to what I had written throughout the evening and the notes were definitely "there".
The next morning I went back to read and update those notes further and they were gone. They just vanished. A whole evening of work was lost.
So I switched to Evernote and never looked back.
If I could only find a Mac-based equivalent for MS Visual Studio so I could update some .Net websites I look after then I could completely eliminate Microsoft from my life (except of course those .Net websites).
You can use Visual Studio, just install Wine 1.2 or above along with the version of .net you need. I use it quite often for work sites. You can also use Eclipse, just install the .net plugin. There are also many online IDE's now that you can use if you don't want to install anything. Have you ever browsed threw the online apps that are available threw Google Chrome, absolutly fantastic. There isn't an installed app that you can't replace with an online one. Oh you don't need Chrome to run them but it's still nice to have installed as the Google Chrome Store shows what's available.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jragosta
Just be aware that you may need to rename your files if you've used characters that Windows doesn't like. For example, it won't let you use "report 3/1/07" or "June 2007 P&L".
So much for 'cross-platform compatibility'.
You can use a lot of those characters in windows but as soon as you use sharepoint it throws a wobbler with any extended characters. Its a right pain in the ass when you are trying to explain to company directors that they have to remove non standard characters AND shorten file names due to the file path character limit in sharepoint too.
Great service? Says who?
Oh, I get it. This is another of your fabricated reviews for a product you've never used.
iCloud's limitations will disappear when Mountain Lion launches- you'll be able to save documents directly to the cloud.
I've actually switched over to SkyDrive for all of my online storage needs. I dropped Dropbox because as an existing user of SkyDrive I got 25GB for free, and could pass up that much free space on a service I feel I can trust more than DropBox. The real thing that made me want to switch was the fact that almost 2 years after Windows phone was released, we still don't have an official DropBox app for that platform. Microsoft has every platform covered, and I enjoy being able to access all of my documents on my iPad and iPod. Now all we need is Office for iOS and then I'll be really happy.
You can already save documents directly to the cloud in some cases. That doesn't solve the problems, though.
1. Not all apps are supported. I would like to save ALL my documents
2. I keep my files organized by project. A typical project folder might have dozens of files of all types. Using the iCloud mechanism means that the files will be all over the place and assembling them together (such as to send the project folder to a colleague for review) is a pain.
I liked iDisk. While there are a number of people complaining about its limitations, it worked well for me. Simple, transparent, and all my files were available all the time in the format I created. Dropbox is similar. iCloud's document storage is completely useless for me.