you know you can just buy an SSD and put it in a legacy MacBook Pro. Also a 500gig hybrid is 100 buck.
eh.. the 500GB Momentus XT wasn't that great. I have a 1 month old 750gb one that is much better than the 500... at least its noticeably faster than a standard hard drive, but its still pretty slow next to a decent SSD.
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FedEx delivered mine this morning, ordered on Monday from Apple Store.
uhhhggg.... i ordered mine monday too, and they didn't get it ready for shipment until 7am Friday in Shanghai, then FedEx sat around and waited and didn't pick it up til 12 hours later.... and it missed the Friday night flight out. At least FedEx flies out on Saturday too, so it won't wait til monday. I paid an extra $15 for faster shipping and they send me an email on the 15th that its shipped and should arrive on the 20th. Yeah thats really faster than the 5 day free shipping!!!!
EDIT: ok maybe it didn't take them 12 hours.. I figure out that FedEx tracking, each scan line is local scan time with no display of what time zone its talking about, so the original line was in the US and the other in China, even though it gives you no indication of that.
Review the graphs in that article. The difference isn't really all that great.
Notice the immense discrepancy between performance on different tests. Some of the tests show the hybrid drive to be very close to the SSD in performance. Others (like Anand's Storage Bench test) show it to be far behind. In my experience, the real life performance is much closer to Anand's Storage Bench test - even the hybrid drive doesn't come close to SSD performance, and the improvement over existing hard drives is modest.
Note that the 'boot time' and 'app loading time' tests are easy to spoof - and I suspect that's why the real life results are far different than the results (boot time and app loading time, mostly) that Seagate uses. If you load the same app multiple times in a row, it will be in NAND. If you simply boot to OS, then quit, then boot again, the OS will be in NAND (you might have to repeat it a few times depending on their caching algorithm. But that's not the way most people work.
eh.. the 500GB Momentus XT wasn't that great. I have a 1 month old 750gb one that is much better than the 500... at least its noticeably faster than a standard hard drive, but its still pretty slow next to a decent SSD.
uhhhggg.... i ordered mine monday too, and they didn't get it ready for shipment until 7am Friday in Shanghai, then FedEx sat around and waited and didn't pick it up til 12 hours later.... and it missed the Friday night flight out. At least FedEx flies out on Saturday too, so it won't wait til monday. I paid an extra $15 for faster shipping and they send me an email on the 15th that its shipped and should arrive on the 20th. Yeah thats really faster than the 5 day free shipping!!!!
EDIT: ok maybe it didn't take them 12 hours.. I figure out that FedEx tracking, each scan line is local scan time with no display of what time zone its talking about, so the original line was in the US and the other in China, even though it gives you no indication of that.
doh123, when on Monday did you order? I ordered around 6:30PM and it says 7-10 business days until it ships on the site. Still processing.
The 'retina' display is superb and even though the actual desktop space is equivalent to 1440x900 you can view and edit 1080p video in full resolution but it only consumes 2/3 of the display width whereas it doesn't even fit onto a 1680x1050 screen. The same case is made for image manipulation.
So although you have a workspace of 1440x900 it enables full scale viewing of media etc. If you work with any image based media or just want a screen you can work with for long periods of time with reduced eye strain then there is no better solution in a laptop.
I agree. I think the same applies to building ipad and iphone retina apps too (on a non-retina macbook pro as you have to downscale the simulator). My 1440 x 900 macbook pro is fine for developing iphone and ipad apps (non-retina) - the new retina macbook pro will be more than fine for making retina iphone & ipad apps. I'd argue it's ordinary non-power users that more likely need the extra working space of a non-retina mbp. Especially once third party apps take advantage of the retina display.
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doh123, when on Monday did you order? I ordered around 6:30PM and it says 7-10 business days until it ships on the site. Still processing.
I ordered it monday about 3:30 central, 1:30 pacific, and it says 5 to 7 days at that point.
I ordered the standard high end MBP-R with the ram bumped up to 16gb. i didn't order extra stuff (dvd, adapters, etc) because I'm going to get a $100 'back to school gift card' which I'll use to get accessories later :-)
I played with one at the Apple Store in Albany, NY last night.
For graphics professionals this is a solid NO for a computer right now.
The pixel doubling makes everything that is non-Retina ready looks horrible. Text in Illustrator and InDesign look so low res that it makes you think you are working on an old junky PC.
Engadget says the new one makes downsampled text slightly worse than the old one but a reviewer on ABC said that going back to the old one after using the new one was pretty bad too:
i ordered my RMBP on monday around 1pm pacific time. it is 2.3g with 16g memory. it said it would take 5-7 days and delivery will be between 6/22-25.
the order status changed from processing to prepare shipping by weds night and it was shipped out thursday morning and arrived at memphis TN yesterday night. and it arrived at oakland CA 4am today. fedex delivered it at 10am today.
From the pictures, aside from being slightly thinner, the "body" really doesn't look any different to me than my several year old MacBook Pro, so I don't know how it can be called "beautiful and exquisite" with the implication that it's different than past machines.
I would have to agree with you, making it slightly thinner does not make it look any more "beautiful and exquisite" than the previous MBP.
Personally I think it just looks dull now. We've had the same basic silver colour for over 10 years and the same silver/black design for at least the past few years.
Why can't they come up with something new? An all black MBP would look amazing.
I would have to agree with you, making it slightly thinner does not make it look any more "beautiful and exquisite" than the previous MBP.
Personally I think it just looks dull now. We've had the same basic silver colour for over 10 years and the same silver/black design for at least the past few years.
Why can't they come up with something new? An all black MBP would look amazing.
Do it yourself if your ballzy enough.
Go get the aluminum reanodized! Black or what ever color you want!
My understanding regarding the magsafe connector and the reasoning behind why it was changed back from an angled connector is because the point of magsafe was if someone tripped over the cable, it would disconnect easily. Tugging on the straight connector, the cable would dislodge away from the computer and disconnect easily. With the angled one, the cable would tug sideways on the laptop, possibly yanking from the tabletop.
Regarding the Retina MBP, I've been playing with it at the local store an it is a beauty. The display is crisp, the machine is FAST and snappy, it's noticeably thinner and lighter, and the sound from the speakers is significantly and noticeably improved. I personally wouldn't hesitate to get one and considering the cost of SS memory, the machine is actually quite reasonable. I'm envious of anyone who has their hands on one already.
One more thing, the glare on the surface of the screen is definitely significantly reduced compared to the glossy screen of the traditional MBP. I've always preferred the contrast and colours of the glossy screen but got the anti-glare because I often work in situations where reflections are a problem. I think this new screen is a nice balance between the two.
Incorrect. Pros where right angle well. I think they switch because the cord on the right angle would be blocking the TB ports.
My mid-2010 MBPro has the right-angled MagSafe, just like my mid-2011 Air. The updated non-Retina MBPro still does, I believe.
I think most people, in attaching the right-angled plug, would trail the cord toward the back, so, no, it wouldn't obscure the Thunderbolt ports, or conflict with their cords.
If anything, the straight-on connector is more likely to tangle with those.
I like the right-angled connector because I most often am holding this on the couch, not at a desk, and since the cord & connector cleave to the profile of the machine, it is unlikely to rub off on the arm of the sofa unintentionally.
For my experience and use I see the new MagSafe 2 as a disadvantage...perhaps not to everyone's.
It's kind of confusing that the ports with little lighting bolts on them are *not* power connectors. I wonder how many people who don't know about Thunderbolt will be confused by that.
When did Apple switch away from the right angle magsafe and why?
The cylindrical MagSafe adapters can tug the machine pretty easily. If you pull parallel to the left edge (basically just tug the cord straight along the direction of the cylinder) , even a larger MacBook will move.
The square ones are much more loose IMO, in a good way. As long as they've fixed the issue of the fraying cable (which I'm sure they have), this seems like an improvement. Perhaps as they move towards thinner designs, they also want to create a flatter shape rather than a big round cylinder?
Here's a review that explains why the new non-Retina model is actually better:
I disagree. That was a BS review, emphasizing what the author felt were negatives and downplaying all the positives. He doesn't take into account the actual cost of the technology implemented in the Retina Macbook Pro (Retina display, SS memory, thunderbolt, unibody, etc.) nor does he do any sort of cost analysis when describing the computer as being "extremely high price(d), even for Apple". When you look at what you get, it's actually quite reasonable.
I think the guys is pretty uninformed and has no business writing a tech review.
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Originally Posted by agramonte
you know you can just buy an SSD and put it in a legacy MacBook Pro. Also a 500gig hybrid is 100 buck.
eh.. the 500GB Momentus XT wasn't that great. I have a 1 month old 750gb one that is much better than the 500... at least its noticeably faster than a standard hard drive, but its still pretty slow next to a decent SSD.
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Originally Posted by MyDogHasFleas
FedEx delivered mine this morning, ordered on Monday from Apple Store.
uhhhggg.... i ordered mine monday too, and they didn't get it ready for shipment until 7am Friday in Shanghai, then FedEx sat around and waited and didn't pick it up til 12 hours later.... and it missed the Friday night flight out. At least FedEx flies out on Saturday too, so it won't wait til monday. I paid an extra $15 for faster shipping and they send me an email on the 15th that its shipped and should arrive on the 20th. Yeah thats really faster than the 5 day free shipping!!!!
EDIT: ok maybe it didn't take them 12 hours.. I figure out that FedEx tracking, each scan line is local scan time with no display of what time zone its talking about, so the original line was in the US and the other in China, even though it gives you no indication of that.
Review the graphs in that article. The difference isn't really all that great.
Notice the immense discrepancy between performance on different tests. Some of the tests show the hybrid drive to be very close to the SSD in performance. Others (like Anand's Storage Bench test) show it to be far behind. In my experience, the real life performance is much closer to Anand's Storage Bench test - even the hybrid drive doesn't come close to SSD performance, and the improvement over existing hard drives is modest.
Note that the 'boot time' and 'app loading time' tests are easy to spoof - and I suspect that's why the real life results are far different than the results (boot time and app loading time, mostly) that Seagate uses. If you load the same app multiple times in a row, it will be in NAND. If you simply boot to OS, then quit, then boot again, the OS will be in NAND (you might have to repeat it a few times depending on their caching algorithm. But that's not the way most people work.
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Originally Posted by doh123
eh.. the 500GB Momentus XT wasn't that great. I have a 1 month old 750gb one that is much better than the 500... at least its noticeably faster than a standard hard drive, but its still pretty slow next to a decent SSD.
uhhhggg.... i ordered mine monday too, and they didn't get it ready for shipment until 7am Friday in Shanghai, then FedEx sat around and waited and didn't pick it up til 12 hours later.... and it missed the Friday night flight out. At least FedEx flies out on Saturday too, so it won't wait til monday. I paid an extra $15 for faster shipping and they send me an email on the 15th that its shipped and should arrive on the 20th. Yeah thats really faster than the 5 day free shipping!!!!
EDIT: ok maybe it didn't take them 12 hours.. I figure out that FedEx tracking, each scan line is local scan time with no display of what time zone its talking about, so the original line was in the US and the other in China, even though it gives you no indication of that.
doh123, when on Monday did you order? I ordered around 6:30PM and it says 7-10 business days until it ships on the site. Still processing.
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Originally Posted by irnchriz
The 'retina' display is superb and even though the actual desktop space is equivalent to 1440x900 you can view and edit 1080p video in full resolution but it only consumes 2/3 of the display width whereas it doesn't even fit onto a 1680x1050 screen. The same case is made for image manipulation.
So although you have a workspace of 1440x900 it enables full scale viewing of media etc. If you work with any image based media or just want a screen you can work with for long periods of time with reduced eye strain then there is no better solution in a laptop.
I agree. I think the same applies to building ipad and iphone retina apps too (on a non-retina macbook pro as you have to downscale the simulator). My 1440 x 900 macbook pro is fine for developing iphone and ipad apps (non-retina) - the new retina macbook pro will be more than fine for making retina iphone & ipad apps. I'd argue it's ordinary non-power users that more likely need the extra working space of a non-retina mbp. Especially once third party apps take advantage of the retina display.
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That looks like a serial number if I am not mistaken. The model number should have an M with an ending of LL/A.
It's the SEAGATE number:
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doh123, when on Monday did you order? I ordered around 6:30PM and it says 7-10 business days until it ships on the site. Still processing.
I ordered it monday about 3:30 central, 1:30 pacific, and it says 5 to 7 days at that point.
I ordered the standard high end MBP-R with the ram bumped up to 16gb. i didn't order extra stuff (dvd, adapters, etc) because I'm going to get a $100 'back to school gift card' which I'll use to get accessories later :-)
Engadget says the new one makes downsampled text slightly worse than the old one but a reviewer on ABC said that going back to the old one after using the new one was pretty bad too:
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/apple-macbook-pro-retina-display-review/story?id=16561507#.T9uyImjjfi2
You can always use an external display until any issues are resolved and you'd probably want to anyway.
i ordered my RMBP on monday around 1pm pacific time. it is 2.3g with 16g memory. it said it would take 5-7 days and delivery will be between 6/22-25.
the order status changed from processing to prepare shipping by weds night and it was shipped out thursday morning and arrived at memphis TN yesterday night. and it arrived at oakland CA 4am today. fedex delivered it at 10am today.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb
From the pictures, aside from being slightly thinner, the "body" really doesn't look any different to me than my several year old MacBook Pro, so I don't know how it can be called "beautiful and exquisite" with the implication that it's different than past machines.
I would have to agree with you, making it slightly thinner does not make it look any more "beautiful and exquisite" than the previous MBP.
Personally I think it just looks dull now. We've had the same basic silver colour for over 10 years and the same silver/black design for at least the past few years.
Why can't they come up with something new? An all black MBP would look amazing.
Do it yourself if your ballzy enough.
Go get the aluminum reanodized! Black or what ever color you want!
My understanding regarding the magsafe connector and the reasoning behind why it was changed back from an angled connector is because the point of magsafe was if someone tripped over the cable, it would disconnect easily. Tugging on the straight connector, the cable would dislodge away from the computer and disconnect easily. With the angled one, the cable would tug sideways on the laptop, possibly yanking from the tabletop.
Regarding the Retina MBP, I've been playing with it at the local store an it is a beauty. The display is crisp, the machine is FAST and snappy, it's noticeably thinner and lighter, and the sound from the speakers is significantly and noticeably improved. I personally wouldn't hesitate to get one and considering the cost of SS memory, the machine is actually quite reasonable. I'm envious of anyone who has their hands on one already.
One more thing, the glare on the surface of the screen is definitely significantly reduced compared to the glossy screen of the traditional MBP. I've always preferred the contrast and colours of the glossy screen but got the anti-glare because I often work in situations where reflections are a problem. I think this new screen is a nice balance between the two.
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Incorrect. Pros where right angle well. I think they switch because the cord on the right angle would be blocking the TB ports.
My mid-2010 MBPro has the right-angled MagSafe, just like my mid-2011 Air. The updated non-Retina MBPro still does, I believe.
I think most people, in attaching the right-angled plug, would trail the cord toward the back, so, no, it wouldn't obscure the Thunderbolt ports, or conflict with their cords.
If anything, the straight-on connector is more likely to tangle with those.
I like the right-angled connector because I most often am holding this on the couch, not at a desk, and since the cord & connector cleave to the profile of the machine, it is unlikely to rub off on the arm of the sofa unintentionally.
For my experience and use I see the new MagSafe 2 as a disadvantage...perhaps not to everyone's.
It's kind of confusing that the ports with little lighting bolts on them are *not* power connectors. I wonder how many people who don't know about Thunderbolt will be confused by that.
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Originally Posted by bloodstains
When did Apple switch away from the right angle magsafe and why?
The cylindrical MagSafe adapters can tug the machine pretty easily. If you pull parallel to the left edge (basically just tug the cord straight along the direction of the cylinder) , even a larger MacBook will move.
The square ones are much more loose IMO, in a good way. As long as they've fixed the issue of the fraying cable (which I'm sure they have), this seems like an improvement. Perhaps as they move towards thinner designs, they also want to create a flatter shape rather than a big round cylinder?
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Originally Posted by Shadowbuster
Here's a review that explains why the new non-Retina model is actually better:
I disagree. That was a BS review, emphasizing what the author felt were negatives and downplaying all the positives. He doesn't take into account the actual cost of the technology implemented in the Retina Macbook Pro (Retina display, SS memory, thunderbolt, unibody, etc.) nor does he do any sort of cost analysis when describing the computer as being "extremely high price(d), even for Apple". When you look at what you get, it's actually quite reasonable.
I think the guys is pretty uninformed and has no business writing a tech review.
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Originally Posted by bloodstains
When did Apple switch away from the right angle magsafe and why?
There are certain angles where a pull on the cable won't pop the L-magsafe connector out. Route the cable to the rear of the MacBook and pull hard...
Maybe someone just like more-square connectors.
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Originally Posted by agramonte
you know you can just buy an SSD and put it in a legacy MacBook Pro. Also a 500gig hybrid is 100 buck.
As long as you don't need to worry about warranty service any more...
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And you don't even have to use both TB ports, since you can simply connect the second external display to the TB port on the first one (daisy chain).
Are you certain? Something in the back of dusty memory says that a display was by Thunderbolt spec definition to be the terminal device in a TB chain.
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Originally Posted by drblank
That looks like a serial number if I am not mistaken. The model number should have an M with an ending of LL/A.
Apple products use that convention, ST95005620AS looks like a model number for a Seagate Momentus hybrid drive.