Apple should buy Nokia. That would give Micro$oft pause for thought. Then if all those analysts are correct Apple can manufacture both iOS devices and the "larger selling" Windoze phone and corner the device market again in a year or so. Apple could then offer Nokia phones with a choice of iOS or Windoze.
I bet Nokia's patent portfolio would be an interesting aquisition (or is it already gutted).
Besides, it's only fair. Apple can help Micro$oft out in its declining years (you know, returning the favor) and it might be entertaining and cause Balmer to throw a few more chairs.
I agree. The ONLY thing wrong with WP7/8 is Apps. I have a iphone and the HTC Titan. The Windows phone OS is great, easy to use, unique and has some great ideas within it, but, the app selection is terrible compared to Apple or Android. Sad to see Nokia in the same toilet as RIM but they both decided the iphone wasn't anything to be worried about.
as someone else said. I had a Nokia once, then iPhone came out, end of story. Other than trying the Titan for a minute, I've had nothing but an iPhone and my Next phone will be an iPhone.
What makes the apps thing even worse is that WinPh7 is based on WinCE's kernel and WinPh8 will be based on WinNT's kernel. Besides making the apps completely incompatible it's a complete FU to all those that have supported MS's mobile endeavours. I understand if they did this years later but so soon after the launch is certainly a slap in the face.
Now I understand why MS wants and needs to do this. For starters WinPh7 certainly isn't working to attract devs which is hurting it's ability to attract users. Once they go with WinNT they will have a unified kernel and hopefully they are savvy enough to create development tools that will allow devs making Win8 RT apps to easily port them to WinPh8.
I might be wrong as this all just speculation on my part but this is the only strategy I can think of that makes burning those other bridges a reasonable strategy.
Who didn't see this coming? I remember going to Nokia's site back in 2005 and drooling over their sh**. But today( I have an iPhone 4) the iPhone 3s could beat everything in their former roster of cell phones. One iphone destroys 250 different Nokia phones. And when the new IPhone drops this fall Nokia and RIM be up for sell. And HTC isn't far behind.
Or you need to think about it at a whole new level of incompetence. Keystone Cops levels.
Here's another take on 360: Q) How do you drive the RIM, Nokia and MS CEOs crazy? A) Put them in a round room and tell them there is an iPhone killer in the corner.
Apple should buy Nokia. That would give Micro$oft pause for thought. Then if all those analysts are correct Apple can manufacture both iOS devices and the "larger selling" Windoze phone and corner the device market again in a year or so. Apple could then offer Nokia phones with a choice of iOS or Windoze.
I bet Nokia's patent portfolio would be an interesting aquisition (or is it already gutted).
Besides, it's only fair. Apple can help Micro$oft out in its declining years (you know, returning the favor) and it might be entertaining and cause Balmer to throw a few more chairs.
This makes little sense.
Why should Apple buy a loser and take on Nokia's debt? Apart from the patent portfolio, Nokia brings zero value to Apple's table.
Nokia is perfectly capable of running itself into the ground by itself. There's no reason for Apple to buy Nokia and shut it down. Nokia can do this on its own.
If anything Apple should wait for Nokia to file for bankruptcy, then buy just the patents. The rest of the company is worthless to Apple. More likely, Apple would be part of a consortium that buys the patent portfolio and shares the rights.
Why should Apple buy a loser and take on Nokia's debt? Apart from the patent portfolio, Nokia brings zero value to Apple's table.
Nokia is perfectly capable of running itself into the ground by itself. There's no reason for Apple to buy Nokia and shut it down. Nokia can do this on its own.
If anything Apple should wait for Nokia to file for bankruptcy, then buy just the patents. The rest of the company is worthless to Apple. More likely, Apple would be part of a consortium that buys the patent portfolio and shares the rights.
You are absolutely correct. It would make no sense at all. But it would be nice to see Apple and Microsoft in a bidding war with Apple backing out, having bid the price up.
My story, too. I was a Sony Ericsson fanboy with a k800i looking forward to upgrading to the k850i, but when I saw a k850i in a store I was shocked at how crappy it was, and got an iPhone.
It did happen once to Apple. I believe the current iteration of Apple has learned a lot from the past about how to avoid going completely into the gutters again.
Companies are great when they're disrupting the status quo. Apple is the status quo at the moment, and hopefully they recognize the need to continue to disrupt themselves. The day that we see a product launch that tries to avoid cannibalizing an existing product line, that's a pretty good indicator of the start of the decline.
Apple should buy Nokia. That would give Micro$oft pause for thought. Then if all those analysts are correct Apple can manufacture both iOS devices and the "larger selling" Windoze phone and corner the device market again in a year or so. Apple could then offer Nokia phones with a choice of iOS or Windoze.
I bet Nokia's patent portfolio would be an interesting aquisition (or is it already gutted).
Besides, it's only fair. Apple can help Micro$oft out in its declining years (you know, returning the favor) and it might be entertaining and cause Balmer to throw a few more chairs.
As we've seen, competition for useful patents will only increase as the various parties act in desperation to avoid lawsuits that could end them.
If anything Apple should wait for Nokia to file for bankruptcy, then buy just the patents. The rest of the company is worthless to Apple. More likely, Apple would be part of a consortium that buys the patent portfolio and shares the rights.
Patents will be sold off way before Nokia gets anywhere near bankruptcy.
"Finnish mobile maker, Nokia (NYSE:NOK) is all set to divest division of its frightening portfolio of patents to generate much-wanted cash, Timo Ihamuotila, Chief Financial Officer announced on Thursday
We would sell patents at the optimal price, Mr. Ihamuotila reported in a conference call after the firm’s second-quarter profit cautioning and restructuring declaration.
Mr. Ihamuotila further stated that Nokia, with its huge patent portfolio, is capable of selling patents while keeping up a heavy intellectual property rights portfolio.
Nokia’s patent portfolio comprises of 30,000 patents and almost 10,000 patented innovations. Its research and development department forms an average of 1,000 patentable innovations yearly.
In its first-quarter report, Nokia flagged that revenue from its intellectual property rights portfolio totals around EUR500 million a year at the current run-rate."
Nokia of course wants analysts to believe they'll be refocusing their innovation to achieve new success in mobile. They've said they'll be concentrating on imaging and location... :-/
"The Symbian-based PureView 808, with its 41-megapixel sensor, has changed the game in photography and will appear in the rest of Nokia's smartphone line-up in the future, according to Elop.
Nokia also plans to acquire imaging specialists as well as all technologies and intellectual property from Swedish company Scalado to boost its capabilities."
"When it comes to navigation, Nokia Public Transport -- where users can do navigation that incorporates public transportation systems -- and the augmented reality features of Nokia City Lens show the company's lead, Elop said.
One of the challenges Nokia faces in the navigation sector is scale, which you need to be able to do to crowd-source data such as the location of traffic jams, according to Wood.
"Nokia does still have scale, but it is rapidly being caught up by Apple and Android," said Wood."
Mr. Ihamuotila further stated that Nokia, with its huge patent portfolio, is capable of selling patents while keeping up a heavy intellectual property rights portfolio.
Selling the cake AND eating it. Sounds like smoke and mirrors.
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I wonder if the value of Nokia's patents is now greater than their market cap.
I hate you
I bet Nokia's patent portfolio would be an interesting aquisition (or is it already gutted).
Besides, it's only fair. Apple can help Micro$oft out in its declining years (you know, returning the favor) and it might be entertaining and cause Balmer to throw a few more chairs.
Now I understand why MS wants and needs to do this. For starters WinPh7 certainly isn't working to attract devs which is hurting it's ability to attract users. Once they go with WinNT they will have a unified kernel and hopefully they are savvy enough to create development tools that will allow devs making Win8 RT apps to easily port them to WinPh8.
I might be wrong as this all just speculation on my part but this is the only strategy I can think of that makes burning those other bridges a reasonable strategy.
And yet walking into a Starbucks you'd think Macs were the only PCs in existence and FaceBook was the OS and UI. :)
I remember going to Nokia's site back in 2005 and drooling over their sh**. But today( I have an iPhone 4) the iPhone 3s could beat everything in their former roster of cell phones. One iphone destroys 250 different Nokia phones. And when the new IPhone drops this fall Nokia and RIM be up for sell.
And HTC isn't far behind.
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Hmmm, RIM, NOKIA, Microsoft all laughed at Apple back in 2007. Wow, tables have turned. 360! That's karma for you, betch!
This has to be the least well thought out post on the thread.
And not just because the angle is wrong - 360 degree turn = no change.
Or you need to think about it at a whole new level of incompetence. Keystone Cops levels.
Here's another take on 360: Q) How do you drive the RIM, Nokia and MS CEOs crazy? A) Put them in a round room and tell them there is an iPhone killer in the corner.
<VaudevilleStyle>Ba-da,bop. </VaudevilleStyle>
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Originally Posted by softeky
Apple should buy Nokia. That would give Micro$oft pause for thought. Then if all those analysts are correct Apple can manufacture both iOS devices and the "larger selling" Windoze phone and corner the device market again in a year or so. Apple could then offer Nokia phones with a choice of iOS or Windoze.
I bet Nokia's patent portfolio would be an interesting aquisition (or is it already gutted).
Besides, it's only fair. Apple can help Micro$oft out in its declining years (you know, returning the favor) and it might be entertaining and cause Balmer to throw a few more chairs.
This makes little sense.
Why should Apple buy a loser and take on Nokia's debt? Apart from the patent portfolio, Nokia brings zero value to Apple's table.
Nokia is perfectly capable of running itself into the ground by itself. There's no reason for Apple to buy Nokia and shut it down. Nokia can do this on its own.
If anything Apple should wait for Nokia to file for bankruptcy, then buy just the patents. The rest of the company is worthless to Apple. More likely, Apple would be part of a consortium that buys the patent portfolio and shares the rights.
This can happen to anyone, even to Apple. And I'm sure Apple won't dominate forever. It is only matter of time.
Yeah, that's really gonna happen.
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This makes little sense.
Why should Apple buy a loser and take on Nokia's debt? Apart from the patent portfolio, Nokia brings zero value to Apple's table.
Nokia is perfectly capable of running itself into the ground by itself. There's no reason for Apple to buy Nokia and shut it down. Nokia can do this on its own.
If anything Apple should wait for Nokia to file for bankruptcy, then buy just the patents. The rest of the company is worthless to Apple. More likely, Apple would be part of a consortium that buys the patent portfolio and shares the rights.
You are absolutely correct. It would make no sense at all. But it would be nice to see Apple and Microsoft in a bidding war with Apple backing out, having bid the price up.
I liked my Motorola Brick in the mid 1980s.
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Yeah, that's really gonna happen.
It did happen once to Apple. I believe the current iteration of Apple has learned a lot from the past about how to avoid going completely into the gutters again.
Companies are great when they're disrupting the status quo. Apple is the status quo at the moment, and hopefully they recognize the need to continue to disrupt themselves. The day that we see a product launch that tries to avoid cannibalizing an existing product line, that's a pretty good indicator of the start of the decline.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
What has Apple wrought!
Or, perhaps, I should say, what have we wrought.........
Competition has weeded out another one. Good for Apple.
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Originally Posted by softeky
Apple should buy Nokia. That would give Micro$oft pause for thought. Then if all those analysts are correct Apple can manufacture both iOS devices and the "larger selling" Windoze phone and corner the device market again in a year or so. Apple could then offer Nokia phones with a choice of iOS or Windoze.
I bet Nokia's patent portfolio would be an interesting aquisition (or is it already gutted).
Besides, it's only fair. Apple can help Micro$oft out in its declining years (you know, returning the favor) and it might be entertaining and cause Balmer to throw a few more chairs.
As we've seen, competition for useful patents will only increase as the various parties act in desperation to avoid lawsuits that could end them.
Sounds just like me! ;-)
For a moment there I though I clicked on Nokia Insider by accident.
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831
If anything Apple should wait for Nokia to file for bankruptcy, then buy just the patents. The rest of the company is worthless to Apple. More likely, Apple would be part of a consortium that buys the patent portfolio and shares the rights.
Patents will be sold off way before Nokia gets anywhere near bankruptcy.
"Finnish mobile maker, Nokia (NYSE:NOK) is all set to divest division of its frightening portfolio of patents to generate much-wanted cash, Timo Ihamuotila, Chief Financial Officer announced on Thursday
We would sell patents at the optimal price, Mr. Ihamuotila reported in a conference call after the firm’s second-quarter profit cautioning and restructuring declaration.
Mr. Ihamuotila further stated that Nokia, with its huge patent portfolio, is capable of selling patents while keeping up a heavy intellectual property rights portfolio.
Nokia’s patent portfolio comprises of 30,000 patents and almost 10,000 patented innovations. Its research and development department forms an average of 1,000 patentable innovations yearly.
In its first-quarter report, Nokia flagged that revenue from its intellectual property rights portfolio totals around EUR500 million a year at the current run-rate."
Nokia of course wants analysts to believe they'll be refocusing their innovation to achieve new success in mobile. They've said they'll be concentrating on imaging and location... :-/
"The Symbian-based PureView 808, with its 41-megapixel sensor, has changed the game in photography and will appear in the rest of Nokia's smartphone line-up in the future, according to Elop.
Nokia also plans to acquire imaging specialists as well as all technologies and intellectual property from Swedish company Scalado to boost its capabilities."
"When it comes to navigation, Nokia Public Transport -- where users can do navigation that incorporates public transportation systems -- and the augmented reality features of Nokia City Lens show the company's lead, Elop said.
One of the challenges Nokia faces in the navigation sector is scale, which you need to be able to do to crowd-source data such as the location of traffic jams, according to Wood.
"Nokia does still have scale, but it is rapidly being caught up by Apple and Android," said Wood."
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9228120/Mistakes_heavy_competition_forces_Nokia_to_reboot?taxonomyId=15&pageNumber=1
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
"Finnish mobile maker, Nokia ....
Mr. Ihamuotila further stated that Nokia, with its huge patent portfolio, is capable of selling patents while keeping up a heavy intellectual property rights portfolio.
Selling the cake AND eating it. Sounds like smoke and mirrors.
You'd better hurry up then...