They show the keyboard working, the kickstand, attaching the cover, the surface running windows 8, and the fact the touch screen works. What else do you want them to show. It would be pointless doing a demo on the actual os, as it's been shown before.
In what way couldn't these be used? They let people touch them and use them after the presentation. True peoples time was limited with them but given there's no need to demo the os as it's publicly available, I don't really get the issue.
Read the reports... they never got to use them. Who gives a shit if the OS works if they can't get it to work the way that Microsoft is promising on the tablet... and I'm talking about the Pro.
Read the reviews. There time was limited to about 2 minutes, but they got to hold them and use them. Now that may not be long enough to do any performance tests but its still using the device. You still have enough time to check out the viewing angles of the screen, feel how good the touchscreen is and what the whole thing feels like in your hand. There isn't much else left before your just focusing on the OS that's not any different to the one you can download.
Read the reviews. There time was limited to about 2 minutes, but they got to hold them and use them. Now that may not be long enough to do any performance tests but its still using the device. You still have enough time to check out the viewing angles of the screen, feel how good the touchscreen is and what the whole thing feels like in your hand. There isn't much else left before your just focusing on the OS that's not any different to the one you can download.
Well dang nab it... DO WHAT YOU'RE asking others to do: READ THE REVIEWS!
NO ONE was able to actually type anything real on the keyboard, and see it show up in ANY program on the Surface.... um... or below it for that matter!
WHAT A JOKE IS RIGHT!!!!! MICROSOFT SHOULD FIRE THEIR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF !!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHY YOUR LOSING THE RACE IN ALMOST ALL THE MARKETS
What do you think they should have demo'd that they didn't? They show the keyboard working, the kickstand, attaching the cover, the surface running windows 8, and the fact the touch screen works. What else do you want them to show.
It would be pointless doing a demo on the actual os, as it's been shown before, you can even download it and install on your own machine. Wanna see it running on a tablet, plenty of those around to.
I really don't think that's a good plan. Seeing each in isolation doesn't actually prove anything, because that discounts the value of the software and hardware working together.
The official promo video tells people the device is just about the looks, because they showed the appearance of the device for a minute, and barely gave one second to the device actually functioning.
You're conveniently leaving out that the 2002 model was a resistive single-touch screen and Windows XP Tablets never really worked well.
Microsoft has even had a Windows 3.x tablet edition. But that doesn't mean anything if the user interface isn't designed well, and a resistive single-touch screen. Come to think of it, all of Microsoft's previous tablet products probably required a special pen. If you don't realize by now that requiring a stylus was a recipe for trouble in the consumer market, then I think you're in denial.
Getting something to work well and feel right to the customer base has to count for something.
And get limited by HDMI's 1920x1080 limitation. Might not seem a big deal, but it probably will be if you want to do serious desktop work that cannot be done on a tablet.
I doubt the Surface 'Pro' is intended for serious desktop work that requires anything beyond that. If someone can use it that way without being hindered, more power to them, but using a device that far outside its intended use suggests that they picked the wrong device for their needs. Besides, 1080p is still a nice amount of work space for a computer. In fact, the smaller iMac is 1080p.
HDMI is capable of higher resolutions though, it almost has the same data rate as DisplayPort, I don't understand why almost nothing seems to use it yet.
You're conveniently leaving out that the 2002 model was a resistive single-touch screen and Windows XP Tablets never really worked well.
Microsoft has even had a Windows 3.x tablet edition. But that doesn't mean anything if the user interface isn't designed well, and a resistive single-touch screen. Come to think of it, all of Microsoft's previous tablet products probably required a special pen. If you don't realize by now that requiring a stylus was a recipe for trouble in the consumer market, then I think you're in denial.
Getting something to work well and feel right to the customer base has to count for something.
To be fair you didn't have to use a stylus with resistive screens, provided that the screen was large enough.
Even devices as small as the 5 inch HTC Athena in early 2007 could be navigated using your finger. Although resistive screens have fallen out of fashion they do have some advantages, especially where pixel perfect accuracy is required. In comparison, capacitive screens can feel like playing a piano with boxing gloves.
2002: Bill Gates introduces a new form factor for a mouse-keyboard UI
2007: Steve Jobs introduces multi-touch as a new UI paradigm
2010: Steve Jobs introduces a new form factor for the multi-touch UI
2012: Steve Ballmer introduces a mixture of mouse-keyboard-touch-with-stylus
Depending on your idea of what actually is the underlying innovation, the story changes. Besides, what about pre-Tablet PC computers like the Newton? The Tablet PC was another (failed) marriage: Newton form factor (albeit larger) and Windows UI.
The big innovation that made iPhone and iPad take off was multi-touch.
I thought people already agreed that Microsoft actually innovated while the rest of the world copied apple. Now Microsoft is labeled as a copy monster too?
To be fair you didn't have to use a stylus with resistive screens, provided that the screen was large enough.
Even devices as small as the 5 inch HTC Athena in early 2007 could be navigated using your finger. Although resistive screens have fallen out of fashion they do have some advantages, especially where pixel perfect accuracy is required. In comparison, capacitive screens can feel like playing a piano with boxing gloves.
On a side note, this is the very thing that the Galaxy note has prevailed in solving. A mix of both accuracy and convenience
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They show the keyboard working, the kickstand, attaching the cover, the surface running windows 8, and the fact the touch screen works. What else do you want them to show. It would be pointless doing a demo on the actual os, as it's been shown before.
pretty awesome!!!
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Originally Posted by timgriff84
In what way couldn't these be used? They let people touch them and use them after the presentation. True peoples time was limited with them but given there's no need to demo the os as it's publicly available, I don't really get the issue.
Read the reports... they never got to use them. Who gives a shit if the OS works if they can't get it to work the way that Microsoft is promising on the tablet... and I'm talking about the Pro.
(I'm going for 500 guys...)
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Originally Posted by timgriff84
Read the reviews. There time was limited to about 2 minutes, but they got to hold them and use them. Now that may not be long enough to do any performance tests but its still using the device. You still have enough time to check out the viewing angles of the screen, feel how good the touchscreen is and what the whole thing feels like in your hand. There isn't much else left before your just focusing on the OS that's not any different to the one you can download.
Well dang nab it... DO WHAT YOU'RE asking others to do: READ THE REVIEWS!
Hands-Off: Microsoft Surface Tablet Review -- Also reported on at DaringFireball.
NO ONE was able to actually type anything real on the keyboard, and see it show up in ANY program on the Surface.... um... or below it for that matter!
WHAT A JOKE IS RIGHT!!!!! MICROSOFT SHOULD FIRE THEIR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT STAFF !!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHY YOUR LOSING THE RACE IN ALMOST ALL THE MARKETS
I really don't think that's a good plan. Seeing each in isolation doesn't actually prove anything, because that discounts the value of the software and hardware working together.
The official promo video tells people the device is just about the looks, because they showed the appearance of the device for a minute, and barely gave one second to the device actually functioning.
You're conveniently leaving out that the 2002 model was a resistive single-touch screen and Windows XP Tablets never really worked well.
Microsoft has even had a Windows 3.x tablet edition. But that doesn't mean anything if the user interface isn't designed well, and a resistive single-touch screen. Come to think of it, all of Microsoft's previous tablet products probably required a special pen. If you don't realize by now that requiring a stylus was a recipe for trouble in the consumer market, then I think you're in denial.
Getting something to work well and feel right to the customer base has to count for something.
Nope. "First!" All that matters.
I doubt the Surface 'Pro' is intended for serious desktop work that requires anything beyond that. If someone can use it that way without being hindered, more power to them, but using a device that far outside its intended use suggests that they picked the wrong device for their needs. Besides, 1080p is still a nice amount of work space for a computer. In fact, the smaller iMac is 1080p.
HDMI is capable of higher resolutions though, it almost has the same data rate as DisplayPort, I don't understand why almost nothing seems to use it yet.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
You're conveniently leaving out that the 2002 model was a resistive single-touch screen and Windows XP Tablets never really worked well.
Microsoft has even had a Windows 3.x tablet edition. But that doesn't mean anything if the user interface isn't designed well, and a resistive single-touch screen. Come to think of it, all of Microsoft's previous tablet products probably required a special pen. If you don't realize by now that requiring a stylus was a recipe for trouble in the consumer market, then I think you're in denial.
Getting something to work well and feel right to the customer base has to count for something.
To be fair you didn't have to use a stylus with resistive screens, provided that the screen was large enough.
Even devices as small as the 5 inch HTC Athena in early 2007 could be navigated using your finger. Although resistive screens have fallen out of fashion they do have some advantages, especially where pixel perfect accuracy is required. In comparison, capacitive screens can feel like playing a piano with boxing gloves.
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Originally Posted by gctwnl
If you say:
2002: Bill Gates introduces a new form factor for a mouse-keyboard UI
2007: Steve Jobs introduces multi-touch as a new UI paradigm
2010: Steve Jobs introduces a new form factor for the multi-touch UI
2012: Steve Ballmer introduces a mixture of mouse-keyboard-touch-with-stylus
Depending on your idea of what actually is the underlying innovation, the story changes. Besides, what about pre-Tablet PC computers like the Newton? The Tablet PC was another (failed) marriage: Newton form factor (albeit larger) and Windows UI.
The big innovation that made iPhone and iPad take off was multi-touch.
I thought people already agreed that Microsoft actually innovated while the rest of the world copied apple. Now Microsoft is labeled as a copy monster too?
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Originally Posted by hungover
To be fair you didn't have to use a stylus with resistive screens, provided that the screen was large enough.
Even devices as small as the 5 inch HTC Athena in early 2007 could be navigated using your finger. Although resistive screens have fallen out of fashion they do have some advantages, especially where pixel perfect accuracy is required. In comparison, capacitive screens can feel like playing a piano with boxing gloves.
On a side note, this is the very thing that the Galaxy note has prevailed in solving. A mix of both accuracy and convenience
In software.
In hardware.