Any androids lambasting Apple users for this are being hypocritical. They would LOVE for Android to have this kind of dedication and loyalty, but are too tightwadded to admit to it.
Apple has created a fantastic all-in-one ecosystem. Unless there is a huge screwup of biblical proportions, count me as one of the loyal folks as well.
Android users are loyal until the next gee-whiz android device that comes out.
Phone is a galaxy nexus. I love the larger screen and stock google experience got an iPad last month. My computer is a custom made box with an Asus motherboard, Amd processor (Best performance for you buck) and video card, Western digital hard drive, Cooler master case, with a rosewell power supply. I run unbuto most of the time except for games and netflix, then its windows 7. I give my money to who ever has the superior product when I walk into the store.
You are quite clearly not the norm or rather, not the average consumer. You have bought into the sum of the parts is greater than the total [experience], which is totally fine. It's just like comparing a Mercedes (fill in the blank with whatever high-end automaker) to a Honda Civic. Yes, you can buy the civic for $18k, pull the motor and replace with a blown Acura twin cam, add better exhaust, Recaros, better stereo, brakes, etc. Sure, the Civic may give you the performance you want and maybe it's even comparable to the Merc, but it's really not the same and quality wise, it's not even close. The norm is that for most consumers, they want to pick a phone or computer that does what they want it to do without having to "tweak" it - and they certainly don't go out and build their own box computer. Does your box play games better than a stock Mac - probably. But again, for the average consumer, game playing may only be a very small percentage of their usage and they also want the computer (or phone) to do everything else with no complex changes or modifications.
Also, Apple isn't exactly using crap parts or systems. It's not like they're cheaping out on battery, or screen, or UI. As has been proven time and again, the so-called faster this or that or higher pixel camera (a great example) doesn't always work better or faster than the comparable Apple product. So in cases like that, getting the "best" for your money doesn't equate to buying non-Apple.
The chances that my next laptop will be Apple is 100%.
The chances that my next tablet will be Apple is 100%.
The chances that my next phone will be Apple is 100%.
For any of those to not come true, Apple would have to screw up so badly, we're talking about a fuckup of RIM or NOKIA proportions, and I see that as extremely unlikely.
Ditto! And, to add, my next TV will be an Apple TV, proper. Which with the above completes the "eco-system" for me!
PS. I won't even consider a Ford automobile bc of their MS affiliation!
I found this pretty startling I myself will by products based their performance and quality. If I find another device at a similar price that functions better then I will buy it. Sticking to an inferior product regardless of the brand name is kind of cheating your self. If a superior tablet comes compared to my iPad I will buy it regardless of the company.
Unless they get that public transit scheduling under control it could be a game changer for me. I use the maps feature all the time and the new Apple version does not look so good to me. I don't need turn by turn or 3D fly over ( I have turn by turn in all my cars). I like a lot of detail in both standard and satellite view as well as Street View and Google delivers a nice map solution in my opinion. I also like the map API that allows me to create my own maps with my own points of interest, import kml files and graphical annotations and publish it to the web. Not that the later customization features really affect a mobile device but it is nice to have one integrated platform to work from. I see Apple's abandonment of Google Maps as a net negative for the iOS ecosystem.
"Wouldn't leave Apple at any price" is a bit deceptive, as the article is talking about discounts applied to competing devices. I wouldn't take a free Galaxy S III if I could get my next iPhone for $200 (though I would take a free Nexus 7), but at the same time, I wouldn't pay $1000 for my next iPhone.
Phone is a galaxy nexus. I love the larger screen and stock google experience got an iPad last month. My computer is a custom made box with an Asus motherboard, Amd processor (Best performance for you buck) and video card, Western digital hard drive, Cooler master case, with a rosewell power supply. I run unbuto most of the time except for games and netflix, then its windows 7. I give my money to who ever has the superior product when I walk into the store.
Been there done that with DIY rigs. I just got tired of the rat-race after doing that for over 10+ years that it was time to just buy a turn-key solution. As fast as my rigs were back in the day, I got tired of them sounding like vacuum machines from all the fans I had in them.
I do have about 3-4 slick cooler-master cases (Preaetorian) including an all-black anodized that I'm looking to unload.
Phone is a galaxy nexus. I love the larger screen and stock google experience got an iPad last month. My computer is a custom made box with an Asus motherboard, Amd processor (Best performance for you buck) and video card, Western digital hard drive, Cooler master case, with a rosewell power supply. I run unbuto most of the time except for games and netflix, then its windows 7. I give my money to who ever has the superior product when I walk into the store.
Right. You're REAL typical of 99% of users.
I think Apple should cater just to you. Makes sense.
Android has an ecosystem. It isn't as strong as the Mac ecosystem, and perhaps not even as strong as the Windows ecosystem (unless mobile is the only consideration), but it does have an ecosystem and Google is growing it.
Unless they get that public transit scheduling under control it could be a game changer for me. I use the maps feature all the time and the new Apple version does not look so good to me. I don't need turn by turn or 3D fly over ( I have turn by turn in all my cars). I like a lot of detail in both standard and satellite view as well as Street View and Google delivers a nice map solution in my opinion. I also like the map API that allows me to create my own maps with my own points of interest, import kml files and graphical annotations and publish it to the web. Not that the later customization features really affect a mobile device but it is nice to have one integrated platform to work from. I see Apple's abandonment of Google Maps as a net negative for the iOS ecosystem.
That's because you are a pessimist, and cling to the past based on fear of change.
Based on what I've seen to date, from both companies, I feel quite confident in predicting that Apple's maps will quickly be better than anything Google has to offer. Ditching Google Maps as the back end for the Maps app is like getting rid of the floppy drive: we'll all end up glad that they did, and wondering why we ever thought we would miss it.
Phone is a galaxy nexus. I love the larger screen and stock google experience got an iPad last month. My computer is a custom made box with an Asus motherboard, Amd processor (Best performance for you buck) and video card, Western digital hard drive, Cooler master case, with a rosewell power supply. I run unbuto most of the time except for games and netflix, then its windows 7. I give my money to who ever has the superior product when I walk into the store.
You are quite clearly not the norm or rather, not the average consumer. You have bought into the sum of the parts is greater than the total [experience], which is totally fine. It's just like comparing a Mercedes (fill in the blank with whatever high-end automaker) to a Honda Civic. Yes, you can buy the civic for $18k, pull the motor and replace with a blown Acura twin cam, add better exhaust, Recaros, better stereo, brakes, etc. Sure, the Civic may give you the performance you want and maybe it's even comparable to the Merc, but it's really not the same and quality wise, it's not even close. The norm is that for most consumers, they want to pick a phone or computer that does what they want it to do without having to "tweak" it - and they certainly don't go out and build their own box computer. Does your box play games better than a stock Mac - probably. But again, for the average consumer, game playing may only be a very small percentage of their usage and they also want the computer (or phone) to do everything else with no complex changes or modifications.
Also, Apple isn't exactly using crap parts or systems. It's not like they're cheaping out on battery, or screen, or UI. As has been proven time and again, the so-called faster this or that or higher pixel camera (a great example) doesn't always work better or faster than the comparable Apple product. So in cases like that, getting the "best" for your money doesn't equate to buying non-Apple.
Apples Ecosystem is far more immense regarding apps and media content.
It`s hardware ecosystem is so simple and really does "Just work" and interact in a manner I`ve not seen anywhere else.
I could ditch Apples media/apps ecosystem with little problem, I`d have a hell of a time replacing the hardware ecosystem.
I don't think it could be done as elegantly as Apple does it at the moment.
All of the apps I use are available in iOS and Android with the exception of Reeder. Some of the iOS versions are slightly more featured but thats about it.
iOS and Android have about the same amount of apps in their app store. Google Play works extremely well, you can update, install and remove apps all from your web browser.
Other than my phone, I prefer Apple for just about everything but I don't see how Apple's phone ecosystem is better than Android's at all.
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Originally Posted by sflocal
Any androids lambasting Apple users for this are being hypocritical. They would LOVE for Android to have this kind of dedication and loyalty, but are too tightwadded to admit to it.
Apple has created a fantastic all-in-one ecosystem. Unless there is a huge screwup of biblical proportions, count me as one of the loyal folks as well.
Android users are loyal until the next gee-whiz android device that comes out.
How is Apple's ecosystem better than Android's?
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Originally Posted by mstone
Maps...
Trivial.
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
Phone is a galaxy nexus. I love the larger screen and stock google experience got an iPad last month. My computer is a custom made box with an Asus motherboard, Amd processor (Best performance for you buck) and video card, Western digital hard drive, Cooler master case, with a rosewell power supply. I run unbuto most of the time except for games and netflix, then its windows 7. I give my money to who ever has the superior product when I walk into the store.
You are quite clearly not the norm or rather, not the average consumer. You have bought into the sum of the parts is greater than the total [experience], which is totally fine. It's just like comparing a Mercedes (fill in the blank with whatever high-end automaker) to a Honda Civic. Yes, you can buy the civic for $18k, pull the motor and replace with a blown Acura twin cam, add better exhaust, Recaros, better stereo, brakes, etc. Sure, the Civic may give you the performance you want and maybe it's even comparable to the Merc, but it's really not the same and quality wise, it's not even close. The norm is that for most consumers, they want to pick a phone or computer that does what they want it to do without having to "tweak" it - and they certainly don't go out and build their own box computer. Does your box play games better than a stock Mac - probably. But again, for the average consumer, game playing may only be a very small percentage of their usage and they also want the computer (or phone) to do everything else with no complex changes or modifications.
Also, Apple isn't exactly using crap parts or systems. It's not like they're cheaping out on battery, or screen, or UI. As has been proven time and again, the so-called faster this or that or higher pixel camera (a great example) doesn't always work better or faster than the comparable Apple product. So in cases like that, getting the "best" for your money doesn't equate to buying non-Apple.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
How is Apple's ecosystem better than Android's?
Android has an ecosystem?!
LOL.
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The chances that my next laptop will be Apple is 100%.
The chances that my next tablet will be Apple is 100%.
The chances that my next phone will be Apple is 100%.
For any of those to not come true, Apple would have to screw up so badly, we're talking about a fuckup of RIM or NOKIA proportions, and I see that as extremely unlikely.
Ditto! And, to add, my next TV will be an Apple TV, proper. Which with the above completes the "eco-system" for me!
PS. I won't even consider a Ford automobile bc of their MS affiliation!
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
I found this pretty startling I myself will by products based their performance and quality. If I find another device at a similar price that functions better then I will buy it. Sticking to an inferior product regardless of the brand name is kind of cheating your self. If a superior tablet comes compared to my iPad I will buy it regardless of the company.
Ugh!
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Android has an ecosystem?!
LOL.
How doesn't Android have a ecosystem? I see how you decided not to answer the answer, probably because you can't.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Trivial.
Unless they get that public transit scheduling under control it could be a game changer for me. I use the maps feature all the time and the new Apple version does not look so good to me. I don't need turn by turn or 3D fly over ( I have turn by turn in all my cars). I like a lot of detail in both standard and satellite view as well as Street View and Google delivers a nice map solution in my opinion. I also like the map API that allows me to create my own maps with my own points of interest, import kml files and graphical annotations and publish it to the web. Not that the later customization features really affect a mobile device but it is nice to have one integrated platform to work from. I see Apple's abandonment of Google Maps as a net negative for the iOS ecosystem.
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After consideration of a variety of factors, you appear to have received the most suitable answer to your question.
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
Phone is a galaxy nexus. I love the larger screen and stock google experience got an iPad last month. My computer is a custom made box with an Asus motherboard, Amd processor (Best performance for you buck) and video card, Western digital hard drive, Cooler master case, with a rosewell power supply. I run unbuto most of the time except for games and netflix, then its windows 7. I give my money to who ever has the superior product when I walk into the store.
Been there done that with DIY rigs. I just got tired of the rat-race after doing that for over 10+ years that it was time to just buy a turn-key solution. As fast as my rigs were back in the day, I got tired of them sounding like vacuum machines from all the fans I had in them.
I do have about 3-4 slick cooler-master cases (Preaetorian) including an all-black anodized that I'm looking to unload.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Maps...
Nope, not even that.
I always find it amusing when people peg their loyalty to a specific feature.
Any small number of things can be fixed. Expecting perfection from anything or anyone is a fool's game.
Apples Ecosystem is far more immense regarding apps and media content.
It`s hardware ecosystem is so simple and really does "Just work" and interact in a manner I`ve not seen anywhere else.
I could ditch Apples media/apps ecosystem with little problem, I`d have a hell of a time replacing the hardware ecosystem.
I don't think it could be done as elegantly as Apple does it at the moment.
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How doesn't Android have a ecosystem? I see how you decided not to answer the answer, probably because you can't.
After consideration of a variety of factors, you appear to have received the most suitable answer to your question.
Ahh so you can't answer the question either....
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
Phone is a galaxy nexus. I love the larger screen and stock google experience got an iPad last month. My computer is a custom made box with an Asus motherboard, Amd processor (Best performance for you buck) and video card, Western digital hard drive, Cooler master case, with a rosewell power supply. I run unbuto most of the time except for games and netflix, then its windows 7. I give my money to who ever has the superior product when I walk into the store.
Right. You're REAL typical of 99% of users.
I think Apple should cater just to you. Makes sense.
Of course, nobody's going to pay me money to use another platform, so Mac it is.
That or someone creates something better for me.
Android has an ecosystem. It isn't as strong as the Mac ecosystem, and perhaps not even as strong as the Windows ecosystem (unless mobile is the only consideration), but it does have an ecosystem and Google is growing it.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Unless they get that public transit scheduling under control it could be a game changer for me. I use the maps feature all the time and the new Apple version does not look so good to me. I don't need turn by turn or 3D fly over ( I have turn by turn in all my cars). I like a lot of detail in both standard and satellite view as well as Street View and Google delivers a nice map solution in my opinion. I also like the map API that allows me to create my own maps with my own points of interest, import kml files and graphical annotations and publish it to the web. Not that the later customization features really affect a mobile device but it is nice to have one integrated platform to work from. I see Apple's abandonment of Google Maps as a net negative for the iOS ecosystem.
That's because you are a pessimist, and cling to the past based on fear of change.
Based on what I've seen to date, from both companies, I feel quite confident in predicting that Apple's maps will quickly be better than anything Google has to offer. Ditching Google Maps as the back end for the Maps app is like getting rid of the floppy drive: we'll all end up glad that they did, and wondering why we ever thought we would miss it.
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
Phone is a galaxy nexus. I love the larger screen and stock google experience got an iPad last month. My computer is a custom made box with an Asus motherboard, Amd processor (Best performance for you buck) and video card, Western digital hard drive, Cooler master case, with a rosewell power supply. I run unbuto most of the time except for games and netflix, then its windows 7. I give my money to who ever has the superior product when I walk into the store.
Now you are just contradicting yourself.
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Originally Posted by jmgregory1
You are quite clearly not the norm or rather, not the average consumer. You have bought into the sum of the parts is greater than the total [experience], which is totally fine. It's just like comparing a Mercedes (fill in the blank with whatever high-end automaker) to a Honda Civic. Yes, you can buy the civic for $18k, pull the motor and replace with a blown Acura twin cam, add better exhaust, Recaros, better stereo, brakes, etc. Sure, the Civic may give you the performance you want and maybe it's even comparable to the Merc, but it's really not the same and quality wise, it's not even close. The norm is that for most consumers, they want to pick a phone or computer that does what they want it to do without having to "tweak" it - and they certainly don't go out and build their own box computer. Does your box play games better than a stock Mac - probably. But again, for the average consumer, game playing may only be a very small percentage of their usage and they also want the computer (or phone) to do everything else with no complex changes or modifications.
Also, Apple isn't exactly using crap parts or systems. It's not like they're cheaping out on battery, or screen, or UI. As has been proven time and again, the so-called faster this or that or higher pixel camera (a great example) doesn't always work better or faster than the comparable Apple product. So in cases like that, getting the "best" for your money doesn't equate to buying non-Apple.
Excellent analogy. Well stated.
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Originally Posted by kingsmuse
Apples Ecosystem is far more immense regarding apps and media content.
It`s hardware ecosystem is so simple and really does "Just work" and interact in a manner I`ve not seen anywhere else.
I could ditch Apples media/apps ecosystem with little problem, I`d have a hell of a time replacing the hardware ecosystem.
I don't think it could be done as elegantly as Apple does it at the moment.
All of the apps I use are available in iOS and Android with the exception of Reeder. Some of the iOS versions are slightly more featured but thats about it.
iOS and Android have about the same amount of apps in their app store. Google Play works extremely well, you can update, install and remove apps all from your web browser.
Other than my phone, I prefer Apple for just about everything but I don't see how Apple's phone ecosystem is better than Android's at all.