Android is "ahead" in large part due to the many low priced models they sell and also because salespeople are incentivized to push them over iPhones. With tablets, there is no mobile contract, therefore no mobile phone salesperson incentivized to push the inferior product, hence the iPad's complete domination of the tablet market. (Not counting Kindle, since that's really a separate product category)
The post you are responding to is blatantly misleading. Google Android-based smartphones do not enjoy a 3:1 advantage. The only 3:1 advantage is enjoyed by Apple.
Smartphone OS Profit Share: 75% Apple to doesn't really matter since it is 25% at best and the percentage is spread across Google, HTC, Huawei, Samsung, ZTE and others.
The post you are responding to is blatantly misleading. Google Android-based smartphones do not enjoy a 3:1 advantage. The only 3:1 advantage is enjoyed by Apple. Smartphone OS Market Share: 53% Android to 29% iOS which isn't even 2:1 Tablet OS Market Share: 58.2% iOS to 41.1% Android Smartphone OS Profit Share: 75% Apple to doesn't really matter since it is 25% at best and the percentage is spread across Google, HTC, Huawei, Samsung, ZTE and others.
Do a platform comparison and Android drops even farther down.
Actually I see this as a double edged sword. On one hand you get the service you need but on the other you have to make an appointment to get your devices even swapped out and if they are busy this can be days. I would prefer just to be able to walk in and get serviced.
The last time I booked at appointment was to get a iPad swapped out and they kept me waiting 45 mins past my appointment time. I saw so many of them having casual conversations with people and having no good place to stand in the shop it was getting quite annoying. When my time finally came it only took 5 mins...
I understand your frustration with time.
But hey, I have had Samsung, Nokia, Sony and all sorts of other companies that don't have a place or a person to represent them, help with tech support (unless it over the phone which was a nightmare) or any of the awesome stuff possible wih apple.
If you wanted to use warranty or get help it was always a phone call, confusing, and ship it off to see if its covered, and wait and wait and see..
I'd much rather set an appointment with apple and wait there than have send off in the mail, or go to best buy or whatever other round about way.
There are hundreds of examples one could potentially marshall to show how Apple's vertical business model provides the most integrated, seamless, robust software/hardware ecosystem in consumer tech today.
But pay no attention to that. Pay no attention to the fact that everyone and their dog in the industry is trying to copy it. Pay no attention to the fact that Apple's ecosystem inspires long lineups and breathless anticipation. Pay no attention that whenever the "competition" released a new device, consumers, pundits, and really the entire industry hurries to compare it to the Apple product it most resembles (that is running Apple software.) Stuff like that doesn't happen by accident. But just forget all that.
And DO pay attention to the Consumer satisfaction reports released year after year, that put Apple - ALL of their products (that just so happen to run Apple software) - right at the top of the rankings, if not way, way ahead of whoever is in the #2 position, year after year.
Then sit back and connect the dots. If you *still* can't understand it after all that, well . . . RIM could always use another suit to sit on their board. While it lasts.
Blah blah blah....that's a LOT of words with no facts or evidence of any kind, basically just your opinion.
What I posted is common knowledge. It's not anecdotal.
Rubbish, that's just your opinion, not common knowledge or facts of any kind. Some may agree with you and some may not but don't pass this on as the truth.
Sounds like a bunch of marketing crap really, how to use a lot of words without any meaning.
It will take a lot for me to switch from Apple. I am invested, I know the platform in and out, the quality is top notch and I like the company and the way it does business. Why switch? If Apple goes downhill I will cut it a lot of latitude before I act. If a Samsung device is marginally better, so what? If the new Win Phone is great, so what? I love my technology but I have better things to do than switch - its a big deal and huge time waster unless you have no other stuff to do. Sticking to an inferior product may be cheating yourself but it depends on the level of inferiority. By the time I upgraded to my ip4 my ip3 was decidedly an inferior product, but I lived with it for quite a while. I have never tried an Android or Windows phone and I have no real desire to. In order to figure it out I'd have to spend hours at it and those hours are highly precious to me. I am sure there are aspects of other platforms that are marginally better than IOS or OSX, but hardly worth making a wholesale shift for. If I had to use only Picasa instead of iPhoto I am sure I would be just as happy as I am now, but its not worth the bother while iPhoto is still a great product. I ran an XP machine for a few years way back and it truly left a sour taste in my mouth. Oh, and it cost me so many lost hours I am not sure if I am over it yet. "
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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26
These are the reasons why Mac sales are so low. There is little reason for people to bother with it.
What is you talking about, my friend? I am one of the reasons Mac sales are so high. I will keep buying Apple goods until I become very dissatisfied. The fact that Apple products are generally so good is the very reason people will keep buying them.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
If you have never tried anything else then how do you know how long or how hard it would be to change?
Oh, I have tried plenty. And I still do. But I am discriminating in my use of my time. I stay well informed and the day I become dissatisfied in a profound way, I will know where to go. You delude yourself that the best approach is to skip, jump and turn at each new feature that comes out. Its best for you, perhaps but not for most people. You obviously delight in proving that other people are wrong, but your insistence and repetitiveness is tedious. If I am happy in my Audi I really don't need a Mercedes driver telling me why I need to change to what he is driving. Discussing the merits of each car, on the other hand, can be informative and fun.
That's a lot of apps. I think I've discussed with Gatorguy in the past about how I don't buy too many new apps simply because I have too many as it is and they seem to get unused if they aren't on the first home screen.
This is one the reasons I find the new Podcast app so irksome. I guess I can just put my iPod and Podcast app into a folder but that's just another step to get to either. That's simply not ideal.
I wonder if smart folders would work on the home screen. Just like with iTunes/iPod apps having smart playlists that can show you songs that are new, most played, etc. it would be nice to have a folder that listed apps that are less than 7 days old, haven't been used in over 30 days (so you can then decide to remove them permanently), or any number of preferences one can think of.
A smart folder would be awesome. Or a smart screen. Basically I organize my apps on the two first screen. And many of those I rarely use. Folder are OK but they are hard to see and takes longer to navigate than screens. I'd like a live / smart multi page lock screen (or a better notification screen) , a smart screen and I'd be fine. Searching for the spirit level app that I use once every other year is OK. I probably use 15 or so apps 95% of the time.
Oh, I have tried plenty. And I still do. But I am discriminating in my use of my time. I stay well informed and the day I become dissatisfied in a profound way, I will know where to go. You delude yourself that the best approach is to skip, jump and turn at each new feature that comes out. Its best for you, perhaps but not for most people. You obviously delight in proving that other people are wrong, but your insistence and repetitiveness is tedious. If I am happy in my Audi I really don't need a Mercedes driver telling me why I need to change to what he is driving. Discussing the merits of each car, on the other hand, can be informative and fun.
Interesting when you wrote " I have never tried an Android or Windows phone and I have no real desire to." It's not about proving people wrong, it's about getting them to backup their claims.
So which one of your statements is actually true, "Oh, I have tried plenty. And I still do." or " I have never tried an Android or Windows phone and I have no real desire to."?
Rubbish, that's just your opinion, not common knowledge or facts of any kind. Some may agree with you and some may not but don't pass this on as the truth.
Sounds like a bunch of marketing crap really, how to use a lot of words without any meaning.
You can do the research yourself. All the consumer satisfaction reports you'll find for the last few years are quite clear in their message, whether they're from the American Consumer Satisfaction Index, J.D. Power, you name it, for Macs, iPads, iPhones, nearly everything Apple puts their logo on. All of these add up to communicate a very clear message about the quality of Apple's ecosystem. Apple has always been known for their skill at integrating hardware and software in order to provide a simple, elegant turn-key experience. And since Steve Jobs' return at least, this has played quite well with consumers. Even in a recession Apple breaks records, while everyone else struggles.
As for the industry's desperate attempts to copy Apple, or otherwise mimic their business model and designs, all you need to do is look at the state of the industry before and after June 2007, before and after January 2010 (and I'm not even including the whole App Store model here), and look at what this year's CES was all about. Apple's influence is clear, and it's also clear whom the industry is and has been using as their collective R&D dept. And it aint HP. You'll find that Apple is a huge presence at functions they don't even attend, like the Mobile World Congress. Apple is usually regarded as the 800-pound gorilla in the room, and for good reason.
As for every other product out there being compared (almost immediately, even before the unveiling) to Apple's similar product or product already in that category, all you need to do is just keep your eyes and ears open. It happened just recently with the Surface announcement. It happens like clockwork. And it speaks volumes. The entire industry looks up to Apple for "the next big thing." What to do and in what direction to go. This has been especially apparent since June 2007.
Interesting when you wrote "<span style="background-color:rgb(226,225,225);color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:'lucida grande', verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:normal;"> I have never tried an Android or Windows phone and I have no real desire to." It's not about proving people wrong, it's about getting them to backup their claims.</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(226,225,225);color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:'lucida grande', verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:normal;">So which one of your statements is actually true, "</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(241,241,241);">Oh, I have tried plenty. And I still do."</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(226,225,225);color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:'lucida grande', verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:normal;"> or </span>
"<span style="background-color:rgb(226,225,225);color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:'lucida grande', verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:normal;"> I have never tried an Android or Windows phone and I have no real desire to."?</span>
Why is that interesting?
And both are true. I have tried many different platforms, upgraded and moved machines and phones many times and I have not tried Android and Windows phones.
But are you saying that Android is so much better that I ought to give it a go? If so Please elaborate. Before I undertake the task explain how it is significantly better and why this is a good time to switch. I am not against it per se but you have to present a compelling argument.
Most of us buy into Apple on quality, ease of use and percieved value for money. That rational applies throughout.
If Apple doesn't offer good value then it's a no sale. (eg New Macbook Pro).
Apple live and thrive on the grounds of its customer's perception of Value. Once that is dented or lost, Apple will slip from grace just like any other company and rightly so too.
Seems like folks confuse "can't afford" with "doesn't offer good value".
the apple bozos here are of the same mentality that supported National Socialism. they don't have a clue.
We're discussing products here, and a typical consumer phenomenon: brand loyalty. There's nothing wrong with that. Apple keeps meeting your expectations, you keep buying Apple products. There's also nothing wrong with a company inspiring enthusiasm in tech products. A lot of folks feel the same way about cars, or sports teams. Now, it's also about computing devices. But no one is being hurt, tortured, or oppressed. No one is going to kill for Apple.
This isn't about political systems, human rights, and oppression. Likening this phenomenon to Nazism is ridiculous.
"Arguments" about Apple or Android or Microsoft don't go beyond the forums and spill into our everyday lives where we *actually* hate or look down on another person for owning different tech.
Why do you actually hate a company? I just don't get why some people hate something that's really never caused them any harm.
fredarrony did you not read the post? Vista was a rip-off that affected tens of millions of people. Microsoft sold that to us as the new much better OS for our computers. It was a lie. They knew it was crap yet they sold it to us anyway. How could they not know it was crap?
That was a 100% deliberate misrepresentation about a product. They even had to create the Mojave campaign to try to squelch the criticism of Vista. It would be interesting to find all of these people in the Mojave experiment and ask their opinion of it today.
So to make this clear, I hate Microsoft for lying to me and the public. I hate Microsoft for stealing from me by selling something that was supposed to be an improvement and was actually worse than XP. I hate Microsoft for causing me to spend at least forty hours on the phone with tech support to get Vista working properly. Though I haven't purchased an XBox I hate Microsoft for doing the same thing to millions of gamers who had to return their products because of numerous failures.
Instead of creating good products, Microsoft has a pattern of knowingly putting out faulty products and hoping they can just contain the fallout. That proves a pattern of deception by them. It is their history. It is their corporate mindset. Such a company doesn't deserve my money or anybodies money. If the vast majority of the public could learn of alternatives they would be free of the crap that Microsoft puts out. When that happens in time, Microsoft will quickly die in the consumer marketplace.
At least Android was given out free. Sure Google wants more search business but at least they are putting out products that are competitive. Some don't work as well as others but some work great. If Apple doesn't come out with a 7" tablet this year I'll probably buy a Nexus 7.
That was a 100% deliberate misrepresentation about a product. They even had to create the Mojave campaign to try to squelch the criticism of Vista. It would be interesting to find all of these people in the Mojave experiment and ask their opinion of it today.
I don't know for sure, but I have a feeling that whole series of commercials was all bunch of scripted garbage. Probably just like the whole "Laptop Hunters" deuce they dropped on consumers. Look how well that boosted PC laptop sales.
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The post you are responding to is blatantly misleading. Google Android-based smartphones do not enjoy a 3:1 advantage. The only 3:1 advantage is enjoyed by Apple.
Smartphone OS Market Share: 53% Android to 29% iOS which isn't even 2:1
Tablet OS Market Share: 58.2% iOS to 41.1% Android
Smartphone OS Profit Share: 75% Apple to doesn't really matter since it is 25% at best and the percentage is spread across Google, HTC, Huawei, Samsung, ZTE and others.
Do a platform comparison and Android drops even farther down.
I understand your frustration with time.
But hey, I have had Samsung, Nokia, Sony and all sorts of other companies that don't have a place or a person to represent them, help with tech support (unless it over the phone which was a nightmare) or any of the awesome stuff possible wih apple.
If you wanted to use warranty or get help it was always a phone call, confusing, and ship it off to see if its covered, and wait and wait and see..
I'd much rather set an appointment with apple and wait there than have send off in the mail, or go to best buy or whatever other round about way.
Add me in to those statistics.
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Originally Posted by MagicFingers
Any lame person that shows loyalty to that type of company is pathetic.
Any person who shows loyalty to company is lame is more like it. That's of course unless you work there, do you work for Apple/
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
There are hundreds of examples one could potentially marshall to show how Apple's vertical business model provides the most integrated, seamless, robust software/hardware ecosystem in consumer tech today.
But pay no attention to that. Pay no attention to the fact that everyone and their dog in the industry is trying to copy it. Pay no attention to the fact that Apple's ecosystem inspires long lineups and breathless anticipation. Pay no attention that whenever the "competition" released a new device, consumers, pundits, and really the entire industry hurries to compare it to the Apple product it most resembles (that is running Apple software.) Stuff like that doesn't happen by accident. But just forget all that.
And DO pay attention to the Consumer satisfaction reports released year after year, that put Apple - ALL of their products (that just so happen to run Apple software) - right at the top of the rankings, if not way, way ahead of whoever is in the #2 position, year after year.
Then sit back and connect the dots. If you *still* can't understand it after all that, well . . . RIM could always use another suit to sit on their board. While it lasts.
Blah blah blah....that's a LOT of words with no facts or evidence of any kind, basically just your opinion.
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Originally Posted by StephanJobs
I'd much rather set an appointment with apple and wait there than have send off in the mail, or go to best buy or whatever other round about way.
I agree if you have to get something repaired but when it's just a replacement I'd rather just walk in off the street like any other shop.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
Blah blah blah....that's a LOT of words with no facts or evidence of any kind, basically just your opinion.
What I posted is common knowledge. It's not anecdotal.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
What I posted is common knowledge. It's not anecdotal.
Rubbish, that's just your opinion, not common knowledge or facts of any kind. Some may agree with you and some may not but don't pass this on as the truth.
Sounds like a bunch of marketing crap really, how to use a lot of words without any meaning.
"Originally Posted by paxman
It will take a lot for me to switch from Apple. I am invested, I know the platform in and out, the quality is top notch and I like the company and the way it does business. Why switch? If Apple goes downhill I will cut it a lot of latitude before I act. If a Samsung device is marginally better, so what? If the new Win Phone is great, so what? I love my technology but I have better things to do than switch - its a big deal and huge time waster unless you have no other stuff to do. Sticking to an inferior product may be cheating yourself but it depends on the level of inferiority. By the time I upgraded to my ip4 my ip3 was decidedly an inferior product, but I lived with it for quite a while. I have never tried an Android or Windows phone and I have no real desire to. In order to figure it out I'd have to spend hours at it and those hours are highly precious to me. I am sure there are aspects of other platforms that are marginally better than IOS or OSX, but hardly worth making a wholesale shift for. If I had to use only Picasa instead of iPhoto I am sure I would be just as happy as I am now, but its not worth the bother while iPhoto is still a great product. I ran an XP machine for a few years way back and it truly left a sour taste in my mouth. Oh, and it cost me so many lost hours I am not sure if I am over it yet. "
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Originally Posted by JerrySwitched26
These are the reasons why Mac sales are so low. There is little reason for people to bother with it.
What is you talking about, my friend? I am one of the reasons Mac sales are so high. I will keep buying Apple goods until I become very dissatisfied. The fact that Apple products are generally so good is the very reason people will keep buying them.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
If you have never tried anything else then how do you know how long or how hard it would be to change?
Oh, I have tried plenty. And I still do. But I am discriminating in my use of my time. I stay well informed and the day I become dissatisfied in a profound way, I will know where to go. You delude yourself that the best approach is to skip, jump and turn at each new feature that comes out. Its best for you, perhaps but not for most people. You obviously delight in proving that other people are wrong, but your insistence and repetitiveness is tedious. If I am happy in my Audi I really don't need a Mercedes driver telling me why I need to change to what he is driving. Discussing the merits of each car, on the other hand, can be informative and fun.
Originally Posted by SolipsismX
That's a lot of apps. I think I've discussed with Gatorguy in the past about how I don't buy too many new apps simply because I have too many as it is and they seem to get unused if they aren't on the first home screen.
This is one the reasons I find the new Podcast app so irksome. I guess I can just put my iPod and Podcast app into a folder but that's just another step to get to either. That's simply not ideal.
I wonder if smart folders would work on the home screen. Just like with iTunes/iPod apps having smart playlists that can show you songs that are new, most played, etc. it would be nice to have a folder that listed apps that are less than 7 days old, haven't been used in over 30 days (so you can then decide to remove them permanently), or any number of preferences one can think of.
A smart folder would be awesome. Or a smart screen. Basically I organize my apps on the two first screen. And many of those I rarely use. Folder are OK but they are hard to see and takes longer to navigate than screens. I'd like a live / smart multi page lock screen (or a better notification screen) , a smart screen and I'd be fine. Searching for the spirit level app that I use once every other year is OK. I probably use 15 or so apps 95% of the time.
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Originally Posted by paxman
Oh, I have tried plenty. And I still do. But I am discriminating in my use of my time. I stay well informed and the day I become dissatisfied in a profound way, I will know where to go. You delude yourself that the best approach is to skip, jump and turn at each new feature that comes out. Its best for you, perhaps but not for most people. You obviously delight in proving that other people are wrong, but your insistence and repetitiveness is tedious. If I am happy in my Audi I really don't need a Mercedes driver telling me why I need to change to what he is driving. Discussing the merits of each car, on the other hand, can be informative and fun.
Interesting when you wrote " I have never tried an Android or Windows phone and I have no real desire to." It's not about proving people wrong, it's about getting them to backup their claims.
So which one of your statements is actually true, "Oh, I have tried plenty. And I still do." or " I have never tried an Android or Windows phone and I have no real desire to."?
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
Rubbish, that's just your opinion, not common knowledge or facts of any kind. Some may agree with you and some may not but don't pass this on as the truth.
Sounds like a bunch of marketing crap really, how to use a lot of words without any meaning.
You can do the research yourself. All the consumer satisfaction reports you'll find for the last few years are quite clear in their message, whether they're from the American Consumer Satisfaction Index, J.D. Power, you name it, for Macs, iPads, iPhones, nearly everything Apple puts their logo on. All of these add up to communicate a very clear message about the quality of Apple's ecosystem. Apple has always been known for their skill at integrating hardware and software in order to provide a simple, elegant turn-key experience. And since Steve Jobs' return at least, this has played quite well with consumers. Even in a recession Apple breaks records, while everyone else struggles.
As for the industry's desperate attempts to copy Apple, or otherwise mimic their business model and designs, all you need to do is look at the state of the industry before and after June 2007, before and after January 2010 (and I'm not even including the whole App Store model here), and look at what this year's CES was all about. Apple's influence is clear, and it's also clear whom the industry is and has been using as their collective R&D dept. And it aint HP. You'll find that Apple is a huge presence at functions they don't even attend, like the Mobile World Congress. Apple is usually regarded as the 800-pound gorilla in the room, and for good reason.
As for every other product out there being compared (almost immediately, even before the unveiling) to Apple's similar product or product already in that category, all you need to do is just keep your eyes and ears open. It happened just recently with the Surface announcement. It happens like clockwork. And it speaks volumes. The entire industry looks up to Apple for "the next big thing." What to do and in what direction to go. This has been especially apparent since June 2007.
And both are true. I have tried many different platforms, upgraded and moved machines and phones many times and I have not tried Android and Windows phones.
But are you saying that Android is so much better that I ought to give it a go? If so Please elaborate. Before I undertake the task explain how it is significantly better and why this is a good time to switch. I am not against it per se but you have to present a compelling argument.
I am listening.
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Originally Posted by Banyan Bruce
Most of us buy into Apple on quality, ease of use and percieved value for money. That rational applies throughout.
If Apple doesn't offer good value then it's a no sale. (eg New Macbook Pro).
Apple live and thrive on the grounds of its customer's perception of Value. Once that is dented or lost, Apple will slip from grace just like any other company and rightly so too.
Seems like folks confuse "can't afford" with "doesn't offer good value".
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
Any person who shows loyalty to company is lame is more like it. That's of course unless you work there, do you work for Apple/
the apple bozos here are of the same mentality that supported National Socialism. they don't have a clue.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
Any person who shows loyalty to company is lame is more like it. That's of course unless you work there, do you work for Apple/
Chill.
It's loyalty to a BRAND, based on past expectations being met to such a degree that the consumer has faith in that BRAND meeting future expectations.
There's nothing "lame" about consumer confidence in a brand.
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Originally Posted by screamingfist
the apple bozos here are of the same mentality that supported National Socialism. they don't have a clue.
We're discussing products here, and a typical consumer phenomenon: brand loyalty. There's nothing wrong with that. Apple keeps meeting your expectations, you keep buying Apple products. There's also nothing wrong with a company inspiring enthusiasm in tech products. A lot of folks feel the same way about cars, or sports teams. Now, it's also about computing devices. But no one is being hurt, tortured, or oppressed. No one is going to kill for Apple.
This isn't about political systems, human rights, and oppression. Likening this phenomenon to Nazism is ridiculous.
"Arguments" about Apple or Android or Microsoft don't go beyond the forums and spill into our everyday lives where we *actually* hate or look down on another person for owning different tech.
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Originally Posted by fredaroony
Why do you actually hate a company? I just don't get why some people hate something that's really never caused them any harm.
fredarrony did you not read the post? Vista was a rip-off that affected tens of millions of people. Microsoft sold that to us as the new much better OS for our computers. It was a lie. They knew it was crap yet they sold it to us anyway. How could they not know it was crap?
That was a 100% deliberate misrepresentation about a product. They even had to create the Mojave campaign to try to squelch the criticism of Vista.
So to make this clear, I hate Microsoft for lying to me and the public. I hate Microsoft for stealing from me by selling something that was supposed to be an improvement and was actually worse than XP. I hate Microsoft for causing me to spend at least forty hours on the phone with tech support to get Vista working properly. Though I haven't purchased an XBox I hate Microsoft for doing the same thing to millions of gamers who had to return their products because of numerous failures.
Instead of creating good products, Microsoft has a pattern of knowingly putting out faulty products and hoping they can just contain the fallout. That proves a pattern of deception by them. It is their history. It is their corporate mindset. Such a company doesn't deserve my money or anybodies money. If the vast majority of the public could learn of alternatives they would be free of the crap that Microsoft puts out. When that happens in time, Microsoft will quickly die in the consumer marketplace.
At least Android was given out free. Sure Google wants more search business but at least they are putting out products that are competitive. Some don't work as well as others but some work great. If Apple doesn't come out with a 7" tablet this year I'll probably buy a Nexus 7.
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Originally Posted by Smallwheels
That was a 100% deliberate misrepresentation about a product. They even had to create the Mojave campaign to try to squelch the criticism of Vista.
I don't know for sure, but I have a feeling that whole series of commercials was all bunch of scripted garbage. Probably just like the whole "Laptop Hunters" deuce they dropped on consumers. Look how well that boosted PC laptop sales.