WHAT is this man (and the whole of Microsoft) SMOKING up in Redmond/Medina???!???
Microsoft's "Surface": the monster-mashed twin stepchildren of an iPad and a MacBook Air (as Mike Barriault distinguished above!) running "special-looking" new versions of Windows (which are darned FUGLY).
THIS monstrosity is going to set the new standard for the market?
Cough-gag-wheeze-COUGH choke. Um, no.
Bill's having "delusions of grandeur" again -- speaking for a company with only ONE major hardware success (a gaming console), and speaking against a company that is BUILT on a potent STRING of incredible, paradigm-advancing hardware successes.
Those rose-coloured glasses look awfully cracked, Billy Boy.....
this is so funny...Bill Gates thinks Apple needs vaporware? Apple ships. MS delays and cancels. Let's file this under claim chowder and see what happens when (if) the Surface ships.
Hilarious. All you have to do is buy the "Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard Cover" for your iPad, and you have the Microsoft Surface.
I think this is as hilarious as the next guy... but really... the logitech "cover" you speak of is anything but "ultrathin". At 8mm it will basically double the thickness of your iPad. Logitech calling it a "cover" is hilarious. It's nothing at all like the 3mm touch cover for the Surface. I've been a Mac user for 20 years and have never and will never own a PC... but credit where credit is due... you have to admit that the 3mm touch cover for the Surface is pretty cool. Hopefully it will inspire Logitech to up their game.
It needs to have a stylus! It is not a true tablet unless it includes a stylus. Gates is still just as clueless now as he was back years ago with his needs to have a stylus argument.
There is a strong possibility that Microsoft needs an iPhone like device to save its failing mobile effort. < 5% market share, no traction, no path forward. An embarrassment
yeah would be nice to have a tablet for actual talented people
iPad is for that group that everything they own other people made and everything that has ever inspired them other people have imagined - be nice to have a tablet for the rest of us.
iOS has always been the dumbing down of Apple - the device for "joe" - who can produce little with their time - reason why it has so many silly video games
You're right. Not. iOS has extremely advanced APIs and highly efficient hardware that makes difficult look ``dumbed down.'' Steve Jobs recognized People spend 90% of their computer time on a Web Browser and instead of attempting to shove a kludge down everyone's throat by telling them they all need business applications they brokered two tracks--the enterprise and the consumer. The Enterprise builds custom solutions for their business processes and extends to the Cloud and the Consumer gets a bevy of consumer driven consumption software that no platform can touch. Desktops and Laptops are not going anywhere. Microsoft could give a rat's ass about a laptop now that they are entering into the OEM market with their kludge. They fantasize about selling hundreds of millions of kludges running Office and thus absolving the need for small to enterprise level staff using these pieces of crap that will be replaced every 12 months, instead of the typical 24-48 month replacement businesses currently schedule in stages.
Microsoft makes the bulk of its revenues off of their office products and that will never change. They shove that crap down everyone's throat by force feeding the education markets with it and now that they are getting smoked in the education fields Bill is going on a PR campaign to talk about how Apple needs to be more like Microsoft.
Steve recognized that was Apple's problem and now Microsoft can't handle reality--the world is leaving Microsoft behind.
Why is Bill even discussing tech? ALL HE EVER DID was universally license Windows, for which Apple brought him the GUI in the first place. Everything MS learned, they learned from Apple, EXCEPT for the part about Universal Licensing. They "innovated" the practice of whoring out their OS all on their own. It certainly did end up putting a PC in every home. It also blessed hapless consumers with the worst computing experiences ever conceived. Dark Ages of tech.
At which time he went about bullshitting and lying to the court:
Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates was called "evasive and nonresponsive" by a source present at a session in which Gates was questioned on his deposition.[2] He argued over the definitions of words such as "compete", "concerned", "ask", and "we".[3] BusinessWeek reported, "Early rounds of his deposition show him offering obfuscatory answers and saying 'I don't recall' so many times that even the presiding judge had to chuckle.
Worse, many of the technology chief's denials and pleas of ignorance have been directly refuted by prosecutors with snippets of E-mail Gates both sent and received."[4] Intel Vice-President Steven McGeady, called as a witness, quoted Paul Maritz, a senior Microsoft vice president as having stated an intention to "extinguish" and "smother" rival Netscape Communications Corporation and to "cut off Netscape's air supply" by giving away a clone of Netscape's flagship product for free. The Microsoft executive denied the allegations.[5]
A number of videotapes were submitted as evidence by Microsoft during the trial, including one that demonstrated that removing Internet Explorer from Microsoft Windows caused slowdowns and malfunctions in Windows.
In the videotaped demonstration of what Microsoft vice president James Allchin's stated to be a seamless segment filmed on one PC, the plaintiff noticed that some icons mysteriously disappear and reappear on the PC's desktop, suggesting that the effects might have been falsified.[6] Allchin admitted that the blame for the tape problems lay with some of his staff "They ended up filming it -- grabbing the wrong screen shot," he said of the incident.
Later, Allchin re-ran the demonstration and provided a new videotape, but in so doing Microsoft dropped the claim that Windows is slowed down when Internet Explorer is removed. Mark Murray, a Microsoft spokesperson, berated the government attorneys for "nitpicking on issues like video production."[7] Microsoft submitted a second inaccurate videotape into evidence later the same month as the first. The issue in question was how easy or hard it was for America Online users to download and install Netscape Navigator onto a Windows PC. Microsoft's videotape showed the process as being quick and easy, resulting in the Netscape icon appearing on the user's desktop.
The government produced its own videotape of the same process, revealing that Microsoft's videotape had conveniently removed a long and complex part of the procedure and that the Netscape icon was not placed on the desktop, requiring a user to search for it. Brad Chase, a Microsoft vice president, verified the government's tape and conceded that Microsoft's own tape was falsified.[8]
yeah would be nice to have a tablet for actual talented people
iPad is for that group that everything they own other people made and everything that has ever inspired them other people have imagined - be nice to have a tablet for the rest of us.
iOS has always been the dumbing down of Apple - the device for "joe" - who can produce little with their time - reason why it has so many silly video games
Wow so anyone who uses and iPad is only average, in your eyes, and not "actual talented people" and are people "who can produce little with their time" and are only Average "joe".
What a pathetic opinion. To assume that everyone who buys any "dumbed down apple device" is incapable of being talented is beyond belief and reprehensible.
yeah would be nice to have a tablet for actual talented people
iPad is for that group that everything they own other people made and everything that has ever inspired them other people have imagined - be nice to have a tablet for the rest of us.
iOS has always been the dumbing down of Apple - the device for "joe" - who can produce little with their time - reason why it has so many silly video games
Real men use iPads to have fun. They aren't much good for work so real men have real computers for when they need to work. Some real men try to get by working on an iPad but it really depends on what kind of work they need to do. If the iPad is suitable then they can get by, if not, they switch to a real computer. This really isn't rocket science. The problem I see with that combo device is that it really isn't very good at either fun or work. We'll know more when they actually release it.
Bill Gates has never been a visionary. He's a marketing guy that either stole ideas or bought companies out to get those ideas. Microsoft is not capable of critical thinking. This is why they are 4 years behind Apple and there's one critical thing Surface doesn't have - iTunes.
If you look at the big picture, Microsoft has everything riding on this detachable keyboard - the Surface's biggest feature. If the keyboard sucks, like it looks like it does then they will have another Zune on their hands.
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WHAT is this man (and the whole of Microsoft) SMOKING up in Redmond/Medina???!???
Microsoft's "Surface": the monster-mashed twin stepchildren of an iPad and a MacBook Air (as Mike Barriault distinguished above!) running "special-looking" new versions of Windows (which are darned FUGLY).
THIS monstrosity is going to set the new standard for the market?
Cough-gag-wheeze-COUGH choke. Um, no.
Bill's having "delusions of grandeur" again -- speaking for a company with only ONE major hardware success (a gaming console), and speaking against a company that is BUILT on a potent STRING of incredible, paradigm-advancing hardware successes.
Those rose-coloured glasses look awfully cracked, Billy Boy.....
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Originally Posted by Caanan @ No Vacation Required
Doesn't Microsoft need a Surface-like device first? Or did I miss the roll-out?
Ba-dum, CHING!!!!!!!
Talk about putting the cart before the horse -- or oxen -- or elephants. White elephants.
this is so funny...Bill Gates thinks Apple needs vaporware? Apple ships. MS delays and cancels. Let's file this under claim chowder and see what happens when (if) the Surface ships.
That's one way to validate a product that will flop--proclaim the dominant product must be like your soon-to-be failure.
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Originally Posted by scotty321
Hilarious. All you have to do is buy the "Logitech Ultrathin Keyboard Cover" for your iPad, and you have the Microsoft Surface.
I think this is as hilarious as the next guy... but really... the logitech "cover" you speak of is anything but "ultrathin". At 8mm it will basically double the thickness of your iPad. Logitech calling it a "cover" is hilarious. It's nothing at all like the 3mm touch cover for the Surface. I've been a Mac user for 20 years and have never and will never own a PC... but credit where credit is due... you have to admit that the 3mm touch cover for the Surface is pretty cool. Hopefully it will inspire Logitech to up their game.
well, anything is possible
There is a strong possibility that Microsoft needs an iPhone like device to save its failing mobile effort. < 5% market share, no traction, no path forward. An embarrassment
Just saying
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Originally Posted by agramonte
yeah would be nice to have a tablet for actual talented people
iPad is for that group that everything they own other people made and everything that has ever inspired them other people have imagined - be nice to have a tablet for the rest of us.
iOS has always been the dumbing down of Apple - the device for "joe" - who can produce little with their time - reason why it has so many silly video games
You're right. Not. iOS has extremely advanced APIs and highly efficient hardware that makes difficult look ``dumbed down.'' Steve Jobs recognized People spend 90% of their computer time on a Web Browser and instead of attempting to shove a kludge down everyone's throat by telling them they all need business applications they brokered two tracks--the enterprise and the consumer. The Enterprise builds custom solutions for their business processes and extends to the Cloud and the Consumer gets a bevy of consumer driven consumption software that no platform can touch. Desktops and Laptops are not going anywhere. Microsoft could give a rat's ass about a laptop now that they are entering into the OEM market with their kludge. They fantasize about selling hundreds of millions of kludges running Office and thus absolving the need for small to enterprise level staff using these pieces of crap that will be replaced every 12 months, instead of the typical 24-48 month replacement businesses currently schedule in stages.
Microsoft makes the bulk of its revenues off of their office products and that will never change. They shove that crap down everyone's throat by force feeding the education markets with it and now that they are getting smoked in the education fields Bill is going on a PR campaign to talk about how Apple needs to be more like Microsoft.
Steve recognized that was Apple's problem and now Microsoft can't handle reality--the world is leaving Microsoft behind.
I mean, really. He has to say something when asked specifically and what can he say?
He's probably glad he doesn't have to deal with any of it as MS isn't really interesting anymore anyway, and it's been that way for awhile.
His attention is focused on the Foundation and what it's doing, as it should be.
Why is Bill even discussing tech? ALL HE EVER DID was universally license Windows, for which Apple brought him the GUI in the first place. Everything MS learned, they learned from Apple, EXCEPT for the part about Universal Licensing. They "innovated" the practice of whoring out their OS all on their own. It certainly did end up putting a PC in every home. It also blessed hapless consumers with the worst computing experiences ever conceived. Dark Ages of tech.
Then he did what caused THIS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft
At which time he went about bullshitting and lying to the court:
Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates was called "evasive and nonresponsive" by a source present at a session in which Gates was questioned on his deposition.[2] He argued over the definitions of words such as "compete", "concerned", "ask", and "we".[3] BusinessWeek reported, "Early rounds of his deposition show him offering obfuscatory answers and saying 'I don't recall' so many times that even the presiding judge had to chuckle.
Worse, many of the technology chief's denials and pleas of ignorance have been directly refuted by prosecutors with snippets of E-mail Gates both sent and received."[4] Intel Vice-President Steven McGeady, called as a witness, quoted Paul Maritz, a senior Microsoft vice president as having stated an intention to "extinguish" and "smother" rival Netscape Communications Corporation and to "cut off Netscape's air supply" by giving away a clone of Netscape's flagship product for free. The Microsoft executive denied the allegations.[5]
A number of videotapes were submitted as evidence by Microsoft during the trial, including one that demonstrated that removing Internet Explorer from Microsoft Windows caused slowdowns and malfunctions in Windows.
In the videotaped demonstration of what Microsoft vice president James Allchin's stated to be a seamless segment filmed on one PC, the plaintiff noticed that some icons mysteriously disappear and reappear on the PC's desktop, suggesting that the effects might have been falsified.[6] Allchin admitted that the blame for the tape problems lay with some of his staff "They ended up filming it -- grabbing the wrong screen shot," he said of the incident.
Later, Allchin re-ran the demonstration and provided a new videotape, but in so doing Microsoft dropped the claim that Windows is slowed down when Internet Explorer is removed. Mark Murray, a Microsoft spokesperson, berated the government attorneys for "nitpicking on issues like video production."[7] Microsoft submitted a second inaccurate videotape into evidence later the same month as the first. The issue in question was how easy or hard it was for America Online users to download and install Netscape Navigator onto a Windows PC. Microsoft's videotape showed the process as being quick and easy, resulting in the Netscape icon appearing on the user's desktop.
The government produced its own videotape of the same process, revealing that Microsoft's videotape had conveniently removed a long and complex part of the procedure and that the Netscape icon was not placed on the desktop, requiring a user to search for it. Brad Chase, a Microsoft vice president, verified the government's tape and conceded that Microsoft's own tape was falsified.[8]
And Bill Gates thinks he can "advise" Apple? Lmao
VISIONARY:
http://www.globalgiants.com/archives/2007/10/microsoft_unvei.html
Wow so anyone who uses and iPad is only average, in your eyes, and not "actual talented people" and are people "who can produce little with their time" and are only Average "joe".
What a pathetic opinion. To assume that everyone who buys any "dumbed down apple device" is incapable of being talented is beyond belief and reprehensible.
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Originally Posted by agramonte
yeah would be nice to have a tablet for actual talented people
iPad is for that group that everything they own other people made and everything that has ever inspired them other people have imagined - be nice to have a tablet for the rest of us.
iOS has always been the dumbing down of Apple - the device for "joe" - who can produce little with their time - reason why it has so many silly video games
Real men use iPads to have fun. They aren't much good for work so real men have real computers for when they need to work. Some real men try to get by working on an iPad but it really depends on what kind of work they need to do. If the iPad is suitable then they can get by, if not, they switch to a real computer. This really isn't rocket science. The problem I see with that combo device is that it really isn't very good at either fun or work. We'll know more when they actually release it.
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Originally Posted by Takeo
but credit where credit is due... you have to admit that the 3mm touch cover for the Surface is pretty cool.
I don't have to admit any such thing. I have severe doubts about a 3mm touch cover being any good at all, and why would I want to type on one?
If I'm going to be doing a lot of typing, wouldn't it make more sense to use a real keyboard?
I'm fairly certain that my combo of Apple wireless keyboard w/iPad is a far superior typing experience than the Surface.
If you look at the big picture, Microsoft has everything riding on this detachable keyboard - the Surface's biggest feature. If the keyboard sucks, like it looks like it does then they will have another Zune on their hands.
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Originally Posted by agramonte
yeah would be nice to have a tablet for actual talented people
They've already got one, and they're already using it.
Hint: it *doesn't* run Android, and we *do* know how much it costs and when and where it's available. Because we were told at the Keynote.
Bill is so clueless. It's just sad. It's like he never left the 90s.
While I like some of the technology being used in the Surface device. It is not practical. Has anyone seen Surface being run in Portrait mode?
With Microsoft really putting emphasis on the 2 different keyboards, it is more of a Mac Book Air competitor than an iPad competitor.