They say 10 million of these Samsungs are Galaxy S3s. I'm curious how many of the remaining 42 million are low end models that end up being free or close to free when subsidized by the carriers.
You mean the ones that are free to customer yet NOT free to the carriers who PAY Samsung for the phones? Hmmm, not sure. But I am sure that whether its free or not, Samsung gets paid AND the carrier through billing gets paid as well.
At the same time, i will also like if Apple will break down how many of the iphones its sells are iphone 3gs models which go for $1. Matter of fact, the 3GS is HUGE in some third world countries which can't afford the latest but still want to be part of the Apple universe. But they won't, cause to them, its still money. The carrier doesn't pay Apple $1, they pay full price.
Bottom line, regardless of price to final customer, the manufacturer gets paid.
BOO ON APPLE INSIDER! Can't you tell the difference between "sales" and "shipments", and can't you mention that for clarity in your article?
This is unbelievable. Apple release true, honest numbers - how many phones they have actually SOLD - versus Samsung's totally bogus statistic of how many they "shipped". Shipped where? To dealers who haven't sold any of them, or to end users who already purchased them? Very telling of Samsung's tactics, and quite simply they will lose because this sort of sh*t never sticks.
BOO ON APPLE INSIDER! Can't you tell the difference between "sales" and "shipments", and can't you mention that for clarity in your article?
This is unbelievable. Apple release true, honest numbers - how many phones they have actually SOLD - versus Samsung's totally bogus statistic of how many they "shipped". Shipped where? To dealers who haven't sold any of them, or to end users who already purchased them? Very telling of Samsung's tactics, and quite simply they will lose because this sort of sh*t never sticks.
I KNOW. for the last 2 years, Samsung have been shipping over 35 million or so smartphones per quarter. And of those, only about 4 million get sold (We know this from basic mathematics based on the pi x sqrt B.S. formula). We all know that carriers happily just take MILLIONS of product, quarter after quarter and stack them high in their back room which has the properties of a black hole so it can fit an infinite amount of Samsung phones in a very small place by causing a rip in the fabric of space and time and forming a gravitational singularity.
Then, Samsung ships even MORE the next quarter and its the same story. I'm serious, go to any verizon or vodafone and go look in the back, there are millions of Samsung phones there and the sad part....the people who own the stores just keep ordering MORE. I mean seriously, they ship MORE AND MORE every quarter. Sooner or later the those black holes containing millions of unsold Samsung phones will merge together to create a supermassive black hole which will feed on the even more millions of Samsung phones that are ordered by the carriers every quarter and never sold, and soon the world will be engulfed and swallowed up and the human race will end all because of the millions of unsold Samsung smartphones in the black holes in the back room of every carrier around the world.
Its the only logical explanation. I mean, its either that.....or the phones actually sell. But the phones actually selling is not very plausible, since nobody buys a Samsung phone, so yeah. Black holes in the back of every store.
What does this really matter? Is it really a game that has a winner or loser? So if Samsung sold 52 million phones spread between what, 10 models, 5 models - whatever the number, it's still meaningless. They push these things out as if it's a sign of doom for either company and that's just total crap.
And I just don't buy the argument that competition forces innovation - at least I am not convinced that is the case with Apple. Do you really think the Apple designers and engineers are just waiting for this news, before they think, "well maybe I should actually do something innovative today"? I would guess the same is true for Samsung or Google or whoever.
A company I used to work for made the argument that the design team shouldn't shop competitors products or care at all about what is going on in the marketplace, because that just taints their own vision of what they should be doing creatively. Of course that was back when the company was run by the creative founder who recognized that chasing after the competition made you a follower, not a leader. Since the company sold, they're now spending more time trying to design for the customer based upon what's already in the market, following the sage words of the new ceo who's background is being a financial analyst and consultant.
I totally agree. Apple are their own competition they are not driven by what others do but what they know they can and will do better once technologies become available and manufacturing systems are developed.
It has been shown many times over Apple even sacrifice their own top selling products if needed to advance, quite the opposite to companies like Microsoft that cling to their 30 year old products.
You mean the ones that are free to customer yet NOT free to the carriers who PAY Samsung for the phones? Hmmm, not sure. But I am sure that whether its free or not, Samsung gets paid AND the carrier through billing gets paid as well.
At the same time, i will also like if Apple will break down how many of the iphones its sells are iphone 3gs models which go for $1. Matter of fact, the 3GS is HUGE in some third world countries which can't afford the latest but still want to be part of the Apple universe. But they won't, cause to them, its still money. The carrier doesn't pay Apple $1, they pay full price.
Bottom line, regardless of price to final customer, the manufacturer gets paid.
Samsung sells cheap, basic Android phones at a ratio of over four for every S3 flagship.
That includes things like sub $200 outright phones.
$5.9 Billion divided by 52 million is an average of $114
Being king of this hill is what killed Nokia.
All Samsung are doing is strangling the other OEM's, they are after world domination and are ruthless.
Apple seems to be the only one standing in their way.
Android fans better get used to living in a world of TouchWiz.
I KNOW. for the last 2 years, Samsung have been shipping over 35 million or so smartphones per quarter. And of those, only about 4 million get sold (We know this from basic mathematics based on the pi x sqrt B.S. formula). We all know that carriers happily just take MILLIONS of product, quarter after quarter and stack them high in their back room which has the properties of a black hole so it can fit an infinite amount of Samsung phones in a very small place by causing a rip in the fabric of space and time and forming a gravitational singularity.
Then, Samsung ships even MORE the next quarter and its the same story. I'm serious, go to any verizon or vodafone and go look in the back, there are millions of Samsung phones there and the sad part....the people who own the stores just keep ordering MORE. I mean seriously, they ship MORE AND MORE every quarter. Sooner or later the those black holes containing millions of unsold Samsung phones will merge together to create a supermassive black hole which will feed on the even more millions of Samsung phones that are ordered by the carriers every quarter and never sold, and soon the world will be engulfed and swallowed up and the human race will end all because of the millions of unsold Samsung smartphones in the black holes in the back room of every carrier around the world.
Its the only logical explanation. I mean, its either that.....or the phones actually sell. But the phones actually selling is not very plausible, since nobody buys a Samsung phone, so yeah. Black holes in the back of every store.
They probably have a system for returning unsold product that is then updated slightly and reshipped as the next great thing.
You mean the ones that are free to customer yet NOT free to the carriers who PAY Samsung for the phones? Hmmm, not sure. But I am sure that whether its free or not, Samsung gets paid AND the carrier through billing gets paid as well.
At the same time, i will also like if Apple will break down how many of the iphones its sells are iphone 3gs models which go for $1. Matter of fact, the 3GS is HUGE in some third world countries which can't afford the latest but still want to be part of the Apple universe. But they won't, cause to them, its still money. The carrier doesn't pay Apple $1, they pay full price.
Bottom line, regardless of price to final customer, the manufacturer gets paid.
True, but if they are offered for free or nearly free to customers, they're much easier to get rid of and could inflate those order numbers quite a bit.
Android phones are adopted by a younger demographic and are typically the first smartphones when users switch from feature phones. That usually means the 18-25 year old crowd. Also, a huge number of Android handsets are cheapo touch screens sold in southeast Asia, that largely function as touch screen feature phones since there is little app purchasing and activity from that region.
Android phones are basically becoming the next feature phones, it's that simple. People aren't using them as smart phones. Samsung's inflated "smart phone" numbers are due to the fact that they have phased out many of their feature phones and replace them with so-called Android "smart phones". Phones running Android 2.x do not need expensive hardware and can be built fairly cheap and usually are.
The biggest problem with these numbers is that they represent N amount of units for each X amount of models being SHIPPED to each Y amount of carriers/retailers. Which means for every 1 iPhone sitting on a shelf, there's probably 3 or 4 dozen Android phones sitting next to it, and a good percentage of those are Samsung's.
A new estimate pegs Samsung's smartphone shipments for the second quarter of calendar 2012 at 52.1 million, which would be twice the 26 million iPhones Apple sold during the same period.
Apple is a scrappy little underdog, formed by a couple of geniuses in their parents' garage. Why is this surprising?
Apple has always been the little guy who puts out better products, but are not recognized for thier genius. Take this latest news: It proves beyond any doubt that Apple customers "Think Different" and do not follow any trends. Apple customers are the few, the proud, the Different. They know more about electronics and computers and stuff then customers of other companies, and they select their gear carefully, unlike the unwashed masses who buy Samsung just becuse everybody else is buying it.
Err AI, shipments versus sold? Apples to Oranges? At any rate, other than seeing tech pundits like Leo Laporte shilling for the Galaxy S III, I've only seen one in the wild. Where's the hordes of crowds who bought and carry it around?
All I ever see are iPhones. I never see anything else in the wild. /s
Of course it is. It is by definition. The next iPhone isn't the iPhone 5, also by definition.
Please tell us your "definition".
It seems that everyone in the world is calling the next iPhone the iPhone 5, except for a vanishingly small number of people who think that their idiosycratic definitions are "correct".
Samsung sells cheap, basic Android phones at a ratio of over four for every S3 flagship.
That includes things like sub $200 outright phones.
$5.9 Billion divided by 52 million is an average of $114
Being king of this hill is what killed Nokia.
All Samsung are doing is strangling the other OEM's, they are after world domination and are ruthless.
Apple seems to be the only one standing in their way.
Android fans better get used to living in a world of TouchWiz.
1. That's an average 114 in PROFIT on the price of each phone. Not that each phone is sold for 114. Samsung do not and CAN NOT ever have the kinds of margins that apple have because their products do not have the same sense of luxury that Apple products have, regardless if they are both made in a sweat shop somewhere in China.
2. Why would you use Touchwiz when there is nova launcher, go launcher, launcher pro, apex launcher, etc? Unlike iphone, Android is infinitely customizable. It isn't a "one size fits all world". You can change any part of your phone that you feel like.
Apple reminds me of Ford and the model T when he said "You can have any color you want, as long as its black" And in a kind of way it is, seeing the record numbers both things (the model T and the iphone) sell at. So obviously, it isn't a bad strategy at all. Lets just hope that unlike Ford, Apple doesn't fail to keep its place by being late to adopt new technologies. They aren't doing too bad right now. I mean they are late to the party with NFC and LTE but other than that, they are still ahead of the curve in terms of displays
Apple does not operate in a vacuum. They very much do see what competitors have. And they very much do take ideas from competitors and put into their own products along with the original stuff that they come up with themselves.
Any company that operates in a bubble without keeping an eye on what the competition is doing will soon be dead.
Matter of fact, Apple even regularly sends employees to events like CES where they have no booth even, just to see what the competition is up to.
I heard that Apple even sent its employees to consumer electronics stores once or twice! Can you believe it!? How dare they so slavishly steal competitors' ideas.
BOO ON APPLE INSIDER! Can't you tell the difference between "sales" and "shipments", and can't you mention that for clarity in your article?
This is unbelievable. Apple release true, honest numbers - how many phones they have actually SOLD - versus Samsung's totally bogus statistic of how many they "shipped". Shipped where? To dealers who haven't sold any of them, or to end users who already purchased them? Very telling of Samsung's tactics, and quite simply they will lose because this sort of sh*t never sticks.
Samsung does not release any such number. This is just made up by some analyst.
Its the only logical explanation. I mean, its either that.....or the phones actually sell. But the phones actually selling is not very plausible, since nobody buys a Samsung phone, so yeah. Black holes in the back of every store.
I owuld think that lots of old-time AppleFans would prefer Apple to be a scrappy little underdog, rather than a giant behemoth corporate monstrosity like Samsung.
Back when Apple was cool, they were small. Nobody wants an Apple where uninformed masses buy the products just because everybody else is doing it.
So yeah - just because Widows is the preferred OS of pretty much everybody, and that makes Windows users uncool, Samsung is also uncool because, well, everybody buys Samsung, except for the few, the proud, the AppleFans.
They have Taste. That's why they buy the "alternative" Apple products.
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Originally Posted by BuddyRevell
They say 10 million of these Samsungs are Galaxy S3s. I'm curious how many of the remaining 42 million are low end models that end up being free or close to free when subsidized by the carriers.
You mean the ones that are free to customer yet NOT free to the carriers who PAY Samsung for the phones? Hmmm, not sure. But I am sure that whether its free or not, Samsung gets paid AND the carrier through billing gets paid as well.
At the same time, i will also like if Apple will break down how many of the iphones its sells are iphone 3gs models which go for $1. Matter of fact, the 3GS is HUGE in some third world countries which can't afford the latest but still want to be part of the Apple universe. But they won't, cause to them, its still money. The carrier doesn't pay Apple $1, they pay full price.
Bottom line, regardless of price to final customer, the manufacturer gets paid.
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Originally Posted by Whitey Burke
It looks like they have learned from the lefties play book. Tell a lie often enough and long enough it becomes their truth.
It looks like they have learned from the righty/wingnut/ repuglican play book. Tell a lie often enough and long enough it becomes their truth.
there fixed it for you...
BOO ON APPLE INSIDER! Can't you tell the difference between "sales" and "shipments", and can't you mention that for clarity in your article?
This is unbelievable. Apple release true, honest numbers - how many phones they have actually SOLD - versus Samsung's totally bogus statistic of how many they "shipped". Shipped where? To dealers who haven't sold any of them, or to end users who already purchased them? Very telling of Samsung's tactics, and quite simply they will lose because this sort of sh*t never sticks.
Yeah, and a BMW 328, is the 328th BMW.
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist
BOO ON APPLE INSIDER! Can't you tell the difference between "sales" and "shipments", and can't you mention that for clarity in your article?
This is unbelievable. Apple release true, honest numbers - how many phones they have actually SOLD - versus Samsung's totally bogus statistic of how many they "shipped". Shipped where? To dealers who haven't sold any of them, or to end users who already purchased them? Very telling of Samsung's tactics, and quite simply they will lose because this sort of sh*t never sticks.
I KNOW. for the last 2 years, Samsung have been shipping over 35 million or so smartphones per quarter. And of those, only about 4 million get sold (We know this from basic mathematics based on the pi x sqrt B.S. formula). We all know that carriers happily just take MILLIONS of product, quarter after quarter and stack them high in their back room which has the properties of a black hole so it can fit an infinite amount of Samsung phones in a very small place by causing a rip in the fabric of space and time and forming a gravitational singularity.
Then, Samsung ships even MORE the next quarter and its the same story. I'm serious, go to any verizon or vodafone and go look in the back, there are millions of Samsung phones there and the sad part....the people who own the stores just keep ordering MORE. I mean seriously, they ship MORE AND MORE every quarter. Sooner or later the those black holes containing millions of unsold Samsung phones will merge together to create a supermassive black hole which will feed on the even more millions of Samsung phones that are ordered by the carriers every quarter and never sold, and soon the world will be engulfed and swallowed up and the human race will end all because of the millions of unsold Samsung smartphones in the black holes in the back room of every carrier around the world.
Its the only logical explanation. I mean, its either that.....or the phones actually sell. But the phones actually selling is not very plausible, since nobody buys a Samsung phone, so yeah. Black holes in the back of every store.
I totally agree. Apple are their own competition they are not driven by what others do but what they know they can and will do better once technologies become available and manufacturing systems are developed.
It has been shown many times over Apple even sacrifice their own top selling products if needed to advance, quite the opposite to companies like Microsoft that cling to their 30 year old products.
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Originally Posted by sleepy3
You mean the ones that are free to customer yet NOT free to the carriers who PAY Samsung for the phones? Hmmm, not sure. But I am sure that whether its free or not, Samsung gets paid AND the carrier through billing gets paid as well.
At the same time, i will also like if Apple will break down how many of the iphones its sells are iphone 3gs models which go for $1. Matter of fact, the 3GS is HUGE in some third world countries which can't afford the latest but still want to be part of the Apple universe. But they won't, cause to them, its still money. The carrier doesn't pay Apple $1, they pay full price.
Bottom line, regardless of price to final customer, the manufacturer gets paid.
Samsung sells cheap, basic Android phones at a ratio of over four for every S3 flagship.
That includes things like sub $200 outright phones.
$5.9 Billion divided by 52 million is an average of $114
Being king of this hill is what killed Nokia.
All Samsung are doing is strangling the other OEM's, they are after world domination and are ruthless.
Apple seems to be the only one standing in their way.
Android fans better get used to living in a world of TouchWiz.
They probably have a system for returning unsold product that is then updated slightly and reshipped as the next great thing.
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Originally Posted by sleepy3
You mean the ones that are free to customer yet NOT free to the carriers who PAY Samsung for the phones? Hmmm, not sure. But I am sure that whether its free or not, Samsung gets paid AND the carrier through billing gets paid as well.
At the same time, i will also like if Apple will break down how many of the iphones its sells are iphone 3gs models which go for $1. Matter of fact, the 3GS is HUGE in some third world countries which can't afford the latest but still want to be part of the Apple universe. But they won't, cause to them, its still money. The carrier doesn't pay Apple $1, they pay full price.
Bottom line, regardless of price to final customer, the manufacturer gets paid.
True, but if they are offered for free or nearly free to customers, they're much easier to get rid of and could inflate those order numbers quite a bit.
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831
Android phones are adopted by a younger demographic and are typically the first smartphones when users switch from feature phones. That usually means the 18-25 year old crowd. Also, a huge number of Android handsets are cheapo touch screens sold in southeast Asia, that largely function as touch screen feature phones since there is little app purchasing and activity from that region.
Android phones are basically becoming the next feature phones, it's that simple. People aren't using them as smart phones. Samsung's inflated "smart phone" numbers are due to the fact that they have phased out many of their feature phones and replace them with so-called Android "smart phones". Phones running Android 2.x do not need expensive hardware and can be built fairly cheap and usually are.
The biggest problem with these numbers is that they represent N amount of units for each X amount of models being SHIPPED to each Y amount of carriers/retailers. Which means for every 1 iPhone sitting on a shelf, there's probably 3 or 4 dozen Android phones sitting next to it, and a good percentage of those are Samsung's.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
A new estimate pegs Samsung's smartphone shipments for the second quarter of calendar 2012 at 52.1 million, which would be twice the 26 million iPhones Apple sold during the same period.
Apple is a scrappy little underdog, formed by a couple of geniuses in their parents' garage. Why is this surprising?
Apple has always been the little guy who puts out better products, but are not recognized for thier genius. Take this latest news: It proves beyond any doubt that Apple customers "Think Different" and do not follow any trends. Apple customers are the few, the proud, the Different. They know more about electronics and computers and stuff then customers of other companies, and they select their gear carefully, unlike the unwashed masses who buy Samsung just becuse everybody else is buying it.
/s
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Originally Posted by markbyrn
Err AI, shipments versus sold? Apples to Oranges? At any rate, other than seeing tech pundits like Leo Laporte shilling for the Galaxy S III, I've only seen one in the wild. Where's the hordes of crowds who bought and carry it around?
All I ever see are iPhones. I never see anything else in the wild. /s
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Originally Posted by BestKeptSecret
What other comparisons are they going to do next? The number of hatchbacks have outsold the number of Rolls Royces this quart
How would that be relevant? Apple is like Ferrari.
/s
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Of course it is. It is by definition. The next iPhone isn't the iPhone 5, also by definition.
Please tell us your "definition".
It seems that everyone in the world is calling the next iPhone the iPhone 5, except for a vanishingly small number of people who think that their idiosycratic definitions are "correct".
Hey, Connie. Have you forgotten how to Poe? You leave the sarcasm tag off your posts.
Just trying to make you a better troll, is all. Big surprise coming up when you hit 500, so get ready.
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Originally Posted by tawilson
This seems like a fun game people are playing. Samsung shipped double the number of phones than the iPhone.
There, fixed it for you.
This seems like a fun game people are playing. Another random consulting firm claims Samsung shipped double the number of phones than the iPhone sold.
There, fixed it for you.
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Originally Posted by hill60
Samsung sells cheap, basic Android phones at a ratio of over four for every S3 flagship.
That includes things like sub $200 outright phones.
$5.9 Billion divided by 52 million is an average of $114
Being king of this hill is what killed Nokia.
All Samsung are doing is strangling the other OEM's, they are after world domination and are ruthless.
Apple seems to be the only one standing in their way.
Android fans better get used to living in a world of TouchWiz.
1. That's an average 114 in PROFIT on the price of each phone. Not that each phone is sold for 114. Samsung do not and CAN NOT ever have the kinds of margins that apple have because their products do not have the same sense of luxury that Apple products have, regardless if they are both made in a sweat shop somewhere in China.
2. Why would you use Touchwiz when there is nova launcher, go launcher, launcher pro, apex launcher, etc? Unlike iphone, Android is infinitely customizable. It isn't a "one size fits all world". You can change any part of your phone that you feel like.
Apple reminds me of Ford and the model T when he said "You can have any color you want, as long as its black" And in a kind of way it is, seeing the record numbers both things (the model T and the iphone) sell at. So obviously, it isn't a bad strategy at all. Lets just hope that unlike Ford, Apple doesn't fail to keep its place by being late to adopt new technologies. They aren't doing too bad right now. I mean they are late to the party with NFC and LTE but other than that, they are still ahead of the curve in terms of displays
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Originally Posted by sleepy3
You are missing something though.
Apple does not operate in a vacuum. They very much do see what competitors have. And they very much do take ideas from competitors and put into their own products along with the original stuff that they come up with themselves.
Any company that operates in a bubble without keeping an eye on what the competition is doing will soon be dead.
Matter of fact, Apple even regularly sends employees to events like CES where they have no booth even, just to see what the competition is up to.
I heard that Apple even sent its employees to consumer electronics stores once or twice! Can you believe it!? How dare they so slavishly steal competitors' ideas.
Samsung does not release any such number. This is just made up by some analyst.
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Originally Posted by sleepy3
Its the only logical explanation. I mean, its either that.....or the phones actually sell. But the phones actually selling is not very plausible, since nobody buys a Samsung phone, so yeah. Black holes in the back of every store.
I owuld think that lots of old-time AppleFans would prefer Apple to be a scrappy little underdog, rather than a giant behemoth corporate monstrosity like Samsung.
Back when Apple was cool, they were small. Nobody wants an Apple where uninformed masses buy the products just because everybody else is doing it.
So yeah - just because Widows is the preferred OS of pretty much everybody, and that makes Windows users uncool, Samsung is also uncool because, well, everybody buys Samsung, except for the few, the proud, the AppleFans.
They have Taste. That's why they buy the "alternative" Apple products.
/s