Google says voice is the future of web search, introduces Siri-like app for iOS

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  • Reply 21 of 163
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,742member


    When was the last original idea out of Google?


     


    More than anything else, this looks like a panicked reaction to Siri routing search away from Google and their ads.

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  • Reply 22 of 163
    lamewinglamewing Posts: 742member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


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    There's not a single microphone on the face of the planet that looks different. Nope. Google had to use that icon.




    Also, it's just Samsung that copies. Regular Android and the stuff Google does aren't copies at all.



    Apple wasn't the first to use that particular style of icon to represent a microphone. Get over it.

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  • Reply 23 of 163


    Siri has only been out a matter of months, but the capacity to rapidly upgrade its functions is the more exciting basis. I myself used to program a voice controlled computer as a job, and I watched as companies like IBM struggled to make it work with accents and such, without pre-training recognition by the software algorithms to recognize how YOU say a word compared to others.


     


    Google has certainly used what was possible in the past to build their giant map data base, on less than current technology of today. A stunning job they did too. Google did make maps, but they boxed themselves into an expensive corner to get out of, because of the now outdated technology. The business decisions were the best at the time, but the software and hardware people at Apple don't just bring us the best possible at the time. They invent a whole new level of possible. What Apple does, no one else has brought to us. President Kennedy said 'we aren't going to the moon because it's easy. We're going to the moon because it's hard.'


     


    It's unfortunate that Google has been proven repeatedly in court to concentrate on 'taking over and profits' somewhat more than making a better world. Too bad they spied on everyone and violated numerous federal and international laws deliberately, secretly, repeatedly, and lied in court, violated their binding legal court agreement, and conspired to help their Android phone makers, like HTC, attack Apple. Unfortunate that the lady who was in charge of the mapping department, while these years long and various criminal efforts were underway, is now the CEO of Yahoo. A shame over 20 countries have sued Google for this, or maybe not.

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  • Reply 24 of 163


    Better copy editing PLEASE. While I can read through the errors, it makes me wonder woh's riting tis stuf...

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  • Reply 25 of 163
    lamewinglamewing Posts: 742member

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    Originally Posted by History12 View Post


    . What Apple does, no one else has brought to us.



    You realize that Apple BOUGHT Siri, right? They didn't bring Siri to us...we already had it and then Apple artifically limited what handsets it would work on.

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  • Reply 26 of 163
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by lacewing View Post

    …we already had it and then Apple artificially limited what handsets it would work on.


     


    While greatly expanding what it does. Get over it.

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  • Reply 27 of 163
    normmnormm Posts: 653member

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    Originally Posted by rumpels View Post


    Ohh Google. If you only would had dedicated your time in the past 5 years to just building a better search you wouldn't be now behind Apple at your own thing, which IS search. But no, you had to dedicate yourself to IMITATE. Imitate a mobile OS, imitate the features of that mobile OS, imitate the icons of the mobile OS. Now you are behind on Maps and, probably in the near future, search. As long as you keep imitating, you will always be behind, even on what you do best -for now-.



    The fact that Google went in the Android direction has been bad for both Google and Apple. Android isn't making much money for Google, costs a lot, and Google is missing a lot of opportunities for collaboration with Apple. And Apple loses out by distancing themselves from Google search and Google Maps, which are what Google is really good at. Plus the kinds of databases that Google has created, including ones that let it do things like translate languages well, are exactly what's needed to do speech recognition better. And Google's well-indexed copies of all the world's data give it a big leg up in the coming AI wars.

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  • Reply 28 of 163
    tjwaltjwal Posts: 404member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    It probably works on the 3GS, 4, and first- and second-gen iPads.



    It may also be useful outside of the US.

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  • Reply 29 of 163
    lamewinglamewing Posts: 742member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    While greatly expanding what it does. Get over it.



    How about not changing my name when quoting me. 

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  • Reply 30 of 163
    gwmacgwmac Posts: 1,826member


    Competition is a good thing. I hope Apple eases up on their policy in regards to not approving apps that may duplicate built-in features because it may cause confusion. Let the end user decide what works best for them. A good example is messaging. On Android you can replace the text messaging app with many 3rd party ones. I used one called Go SMS pro which was fantastic and offered endless options. If GO SMS were allowed on the Apple app store I would switch in a heart beat since it is so much better than our native text app. 


     


    I even replaced the phone dialer with a 3rd party one that added a lot of features and options I wanted. Apple would never allow this type of thing which is a shame. They won't even allow you to set a different browser as default. If they did I would probably use Dolphin as my default since I prefer it to Safari. I still prefer iOS even with these restrictions, but I hope they loosen up a bit more in the future about app approval and replacing default apps with our choice. 

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  • Reply 31 of 163
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

    How about not changing my name when quoting me. 


     


    Ah, Mountain Lion.

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  • Reply 32 of 163
    bighypebighype Posts: 148member


    Google can't do shit on  their own. They just copy just like those koreans.

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  • Reply 33 of 163
    phone-ui-guyphone-ui-guy Posts: 1,019member

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    Originally Posted by sleepy3 View Post




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    Originally Posted by Victor Sald View Post


    another hit to inovator Apple



    Yeah, what's next? 


     


    They gonna start making 7 inch tablets to compete with the ipad mini which came first?


    Or are they gonna make a 4-inch screen to compete with the iphone 5, which had the big screen first?


    Or are they gonna make a TV to compete with the iTV, which came first?


     


    All great Apple products which were ripped off by Google and their partners using and their time machine. image



     


    Making a 7" tablet isn't really hard or particularly innovative. The hard part is making one a success. 


     


    Bagging on Apple for keeping the 4" displays to maintain application usability and compatibility is ignorant. Their methodical selection of displays and careful adaptations for changes is one of the reasons they have been so successful. Android has suffered immensely as an ecosystem due to differentiation among devices and manufacturers. 


     


    In some ways I see Apple as a "micro-innovator" on hardware, software, and systems. The small refinements that they make to their products end up being quite substantial over time. This goes for everything such as usability, performance, and even to features like AirTunes and it's evolution to AirPlay, etc. While you can argue that even these are not revelations, or sometimes not even first to market, they end up being ubiquitous across most of Apple's products which provides immense value to users of their product ecosystems.  

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  • Reply 34 of 163
    lamewinglamewing Posts: 742member

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    Originally Posted by NormM View Post


    The fact that Google went in the Android direction has been bad for both Google and Apple. Android isn't making much money for Google, costs a lot, and Google is missing a lot of opportunities for collaboration with Apple. And Apple loses out by distancing themselves from Google search and Google Maps, which are what Google is really good at. Plus the kinds of databases that Google has created, including ones that let it do things like translate languages well, are exactly what's needed to do speech recognition better. And Google's well-indexed copies of all the world's data give it a big leg up in the coming AI wars.



    Apple didn't have to start the lawsuits. They could swallowed their pride. "They copied! No, they copied!" The time and effort wasted on these lawsuits is just silly Now, as you said, they are going to loose out on much of what Google has to offer.

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  • Reply 35 of 163
    lamewinglamewing Posts: 742member

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    Originally Posted by bighype View Post


    Google can't do shit on  their own. They just copy just like those koreans.



    And the racial hate begins.

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  • Reply 36 of 163
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member


    Google has been in voice search for quite awhile. I don't think it is fair to say they are copying Apple this time. I use Google voice search on iOS all the time instead of Siri because it works better especially if you are interested in just searching Google instead of letting Siri decide where to search. It also works in Spanish. google translate is also really worth having if you need voice translation. So Google does voice quite well. They don't need to copy anyone in this area.

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  • Reply 37 of 163

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


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    There's not a single microphone on the face of the planet that looks different. Nope. Google had to use that icon.




    Also, it's just Samsung that copies. Regular Android and the stuff Google does aren't copies at all.



     


    For a moderator, you certainly have a talent of setting a negative tone to almost every discussion. It's like your trolling in safer waters rather than going over to a non-Apple centric site to make biased arguments.


     


    And as usual, your comment is sidetracking the topic and doesn't contribute constructive discussion. Who's moderating you?

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  • Reply 38 of 163
    Voice input isn't particularly original. The Google iOS Search app had voice input, before the iPhone 4S. Of course, Siri can do more. But the article is about Google saying voice is the future of web search, by which I assume they mean "natural language processing is the future of web search," which I would agree with. As long as it doesn't suck, or there is a way to correct the search when the results are not what you want. Right now, Google's heuristics algorithm does a pretty good job of interpreting ambiguous search terms, but when it goes wrong, and gives you an interpretation that you did not intend, it is damn near impossible to correct.
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  • Reply 39 of 163
    Marvinmarvin Posts: 15,522moderator
    It's a real shame Google had to stab Apple in the back twelve thousand times, isn't it?

    What I find interesting is they always put Apple's products in their ads. They don't use a Galaxy Nexus S for example or any of the leading Android devices. That says to me the people at Google are willing to admit who deserves the credit. I think Google's motivation is not to damage Apple but do what they do with Chrome. Take a core product from Apple and offer it to a wider audience than Apple's philosophy allows. Webkit is now the world's most popular rendering engine and the world is better off for it.

    Despite competing with Apple, I'm happier that Google will satisfy this audience than Microsoft.
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  • Reply 40 of 163
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by Asim Soofi View Post


    And as usual, your comment is sidetracking the topic and doesn't contribute constructive discussion.



     


    Ah, like yours, you mean. And unlike mine, which highlighted the similarities in this software to Apple's, making yet another comment on the fact that every single other company in this industry refuses to do their own frigging thing.

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