Apple files hint at re-engineered iMac and Mac Pro models, potentially without optical drives

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  • Reply 41 of 257
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    I wonder if these next iMacs will be Retina. Seems like it could be very difficult to make those panels in that size but I sure hope so.

    Well, hopefully they make a blu-ray external Superdrive. :/

    Apple won't but others do. The problem that has plagued Mac OS regarding Blu-ray is not that Apple doesn't offer a BRD option but that Apple doesn't support Blu-ray in the OS across the HW.


    PS: it looks like Windows 8 will not be supporting DVD or Blu-ray by default. I do imagine that if you get a player and an app BRDs will play but that is not an option with Mac OS unless you rip the disc.

  • Reply 42 of 257
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    People were furious.


     


    I just find it so funny that they think they have any right to have any emotion about their piracy… And yes, I know TV's a different issue, but the switch to MP4 didn't just happen to shows… image





    Originally Posted by marcusj0015 View Post

    Well, hopefully they make a blu-ray external Superdrive. :/


     


    For all those Blu-ray movies you can't even watch on a Mac, anyway…


     


    As big a bag of hurt Blu-ray is, the concept of an optical drive entirely is now a far bigger one.

  • Reply 43 of 257
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    hmm wrote: »
    The xmac is already taken. Note the trademark. I got a laugh out of this the first time I saw it and noted the "TM" notation.

    1) Is that product legal?

    2) I didn't mean it as an actual brand name but x referring to an unknown thing. I assumed that's how others used it when the term was coined.

    I don't see them providing a good solution going this route. I mean it's possible. I just don't see it. With the imac they bundle a display to support a high cost of entry.  The mac pro was likely carried in volume by it's $2500 option, so as that has become less competitive against the imac in many ways (I'm aware of what the imac will and will not do), the value there has weakened.

    I'll be getting an iMac, most likely, after using notebooks exclusively since about 1998. I'm not giving up my MBP completely, but since my iPhone and iPad fill a major part of that niche I think I'll try getting the largest iMac they have so I can see how that feels on my desk.

    PS: Oh yeah, I'll have to buy a desk, too. And a chair. And I guess some executive-style doodads to keep on the desk.
  • Reply 44 of 257
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    Originally Posted by jr_b View Post


    Look at my brand new Apple iMac.  It has a wireless keyboard and a wireless mouse.  It's a work of art with the exception of the external optical drive!

     

    If you have an old Mac or PC, you can use 'their' CD/DVD drive instead. Thus, wireless optical drive too!
  • Reply 45 of 257
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
    bdkennedy wrote: »
    We've already seen the next generation iMac. It's called the 27" Apple Thunderbolt Display.

    Not really. The Display, with retina high refresh rate graphics, hdmi inputs and a larger size model choice is the 'Apple TV'

    The iMac will look basically the same but thinner with no ODD, retina display etc. maybe not all of the but at least a high end 27 inch to start things off. As component prices come down it will trickle down the lineup like the MacBook pro will.

    I'm set to buy both. Especially if the display comes in a 40 inch or higher and has sufficient graphics for.me to hook up a 3d BluRay for my Pixar films. Tide me over until 3d comes to the iTunes store.
  • Reply 46 of 257
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    1) Is that product legal?


     


    Since it requires purchased Apple hardware to operate, I imagine Apple doesn't care as much about the name as they would otherwise.


     


    Also, that gives us a spectacular metric to know exactly when (well, if) Apple's leadership goes completely insane, because if the product is ever renamed… 

  • Reply 47 of 257

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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    Why haven't you used HandBrake to copy those videos to your drive? DVDs are MPEG-2. MPEG-2!!!!!!! MPEG-2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't expect anyone to scrap their DVDs but if you have a method of ripping them that allows the media to be slower and ported everywhere easily they why not use it?




    All of my movies have been ripped using HandBrake. That's what one of my 2TB HDDs is used for. The other 2TB HDD is for Time Machine. Btw, what would you like me to do with all my movies, TV shows, etc. on DVD I bought over the years? Throw them away? Sell Them? Not a chance! Should I get rid of my DVD player too?

  • Reply 48 of 257
    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member


    If they remove the two DVD slots from the chassis of the Mac Pro you have the mid size tower everyone has been clamoring for. I use the drives a lot but if they remove them I'll just buy a box of USB flash drives and use them instead. Kind of hard to write on them to identify what is on them but such is progress. I mostly use DVD to burn big printing jobs to send to the printer. They do have high speed upload but if I send them the disc, they toss it in the job jacket and I always know I have another "exactly as printed" back up if I have a disaster, which hasn't ever happen but it lets you sleep well knowing...

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    nasseraenasserae Posts: 3,167member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by VisualZone View Post




    All of my movies have been ripped using HandBrake. That's what one of my 2TB HDDs is used for. The other 2TB HDD is for Time Machine. Btw, what would you like me to do with all my movies, TV shows, etc. on DVD I bought over the years? Throw them away? Sell Them? Not a chance! Should I get rid of my DVD player too?



     


    They will take the same road VHS took years back.

  • Reply 50 of 257
    umrk_labumrk_lab Posts: 550member


    Hard to admit, but they are probably right, as always : at home, my teenagers kids NEVER use a physical media on our Macs ....

  • Reply 51 of 257
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    visualzone wrote: »
    Btw, what would you like me to do with all my movies, TV shows, etc. on DVD I bought over the years? Throw them away? Sell Them? Not a chance! Should I get rid of my DVD player too?

    That's up to you. What have you done with your VHS player and tapes? Your floppy drive and diskettes? Your cassette tape player and cassette tapes? Your 8-track player and tapes? Your stereoscope and images?


    I personally ripped my CDs to Apple Lossless a long time ago and got rid of my CDs after I made sure I had a backup of all my copied tracks. I keep a drive with such data in my safety deposit box. Not that the music was a big deal to keep there but I was going to keep other data on it and it would fit anyway.
  • Reply 52 of 257
    bregaladbregalad Posts: 816member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post



    Even on a restart all the apps you had open pop back up, including QTX with the video's last position.


    Having everything exactly the way you left it is what Sleep is for.


    The point of a reboot is to clear things out and let you start clean with no processes running (except essential startup ones), maximum free RAM and no swap files or other temporary caches. Restarting is supposed to be a very rare activity.


     


    I'm shocked that Apple is still selling a spring 2011 iMac in the summer of 2012 and not because it lacks USB 3.0 but because it still boots Snow Leopard. I was sure that once Mountain Lion shipped that Apple would introduce a new iMac and Mac mini to lock customers into the new OS. Now it looks like a re-design may be coming sooner than I expected.


     


    Unlike some here I'm happy to still have access to legacy media and software. My iMac can run Rosetta and has an optical drive. My G4 tower gives me access to a variety of hard drives (ATA, UWSCSI, etc.) and removable storage like early low speed CDs that don't like new drives, Zip disks and even floppies. The need for such things is admittedly very low, but I like to at least have the option. I have some photos backed up on 230MB magneto optical disks that will probably still be readable long after I die, but nobody will have any hardware with which to do so.

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    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

    apps you had open pop back up, including QTX with the video's last position.


     


    Wait, it does? Why am I thinking it doesn't… Is it if you close the window in question without quitting, the position won't be saved?

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    I hope it's announced at the rumored Sep 12 event.


     


    I'll be buying a BTO iMac, with the largest display, spec'd out to the gills !!!

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    eriamjheriamjh Posts: 1,658member


    Apple is constantly looking for ways to cut costs.  Making things thinner, even iMacs, reduces the amount of material use which saves them money.  Eliminate the optical drive will save them tons of money.


     


    I think Apple looks at items that it believes fewer than 50% (40%, 10%, whatever) of owners use and then decides to eliminate it.  That's why Apple doesn't add things that some people use, but most will not.  The same is true for stuff they eliminate.


     


    I'd rather see it as optional in BTO with the space available for a second HDD or SSD.  


     


    As for an optical disk, can't they make it wireless?  Except for the fact it would need a power cord... which means you might as well plug it into USB.

  • Reply 56 of 257
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    bregalad wrote: »
    Having everything exactly the way you left it is what Sleep is for.
    The point of a reboot is to clear things out and let you start clean with no processes running (except essential startup ones), maximum free RAM and no swap files or other temporary caches. Restarting is supposed to be a very rare activity.

    A reboot still does do that. All your processes have to start up again. If you don't want that to happen they make it easy to disable.
    1000
    I'd wager that most people start up the apps that just had running with the files they just had loaded with their windows right in the same place.

    Wait, it does? Why am I thinking it doesn't… Is it if you close the window in question without quitting, the position won't be saved?

    If you close the window or quite QTX it doesn't save anything unless you hold the Option key so it says Quit and Keep Windows.

    I absolutely hate keeping my videos in iTunes even though it will remember the last position. DVD player does this with separate files in ~/Library. Unfortunately this is simply not an option for QTX. I have even to use Terminal to get AutoPlay enabled: defaults write com.apple.QuickTimePlayerX MGPlayMovieOnOpen 1
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    I can't wait to see how your going to play those 4K movie files in the next couple of years without an optical drive...

  • Reply 58 of 257
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by justamacguy View Post

    I can't wait to see how your going to play those 4K movie files in the next couple of years without an optical drive...


     


    By downloading them. Why's that even a question? HEVC makes everything a piece of cake.

  • Reply 59 of 257
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    I can't wait to see how your going to play those 4K movie files in the next couple of years without an optical drive...

    What 4K movie files?

    The people have spoken. DVD is still more widely used than Blu-ray and internet video video beats both of them put together. The future is not a huge optical drive with moving parts, that is slow to read/write, noisy, and prone to break. It was great when it was at its prime but that time has since come and gone for the ODD in a PC.
  • Reply 60 of 257

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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    That's up to you. What have you done with your VHS player and tapes? Your floppy drive and diskettes? Your cassette tape player and cassette tapes? Your 8-track player and tapes? Your stereoscope and images?

    I personally ripped my CDs to Apple Lossless a long time ago and got rid of my CDs after I made sure I had a backup of all my copied tracks. I keep a drive with such data in my safety deposit box. Not that the music was a big deal to keep there but I was going to keep other data on it and it would fit anyway.


    Comparing the optical disc to floppy and VHS is hardly a good comparison. The floppy die because it ran out of space and could not be expanded any further. VHS died because of a better format for viewing and storage (the optical disc). The optical disc has continued to expand, from CD to DVD to BluRay. Plus it is still backwardly compatible with all previous formats. BluRay is currently available in both 25 and 50 gig today with drives in development capable of 500 gig. I produce wedding and event videos and I have never has a bride yet that has asked for a fuzzy, blurry Youtube video for her wedding. There is no way that todays 6 mbs network video is going to look as good and 36 mbs BluRay. Also... please explain to me how you are going to handle the coming 4K format on your internet connection and jump drives. Are you willing to spend that much on storage for your movies?

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