Apple files hint at re-engineered iMac and Mac Pro models, potentially without optical drives

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    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    And think of the future he proposes: scratch a disc at all, lose a terabyte of data.


     


    Scratch a hard drive, you have a metal case with a scratch in it and data that would laugh if it were sentient.





    Scratch a disc, lose one movie. Scratch a disk, lose all your movies. Woo-hoo/

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    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

    Scratch a disc, lose one movie. Scratch a disk, lose all your movies. Woo-hoo


     


    Losing any data for any reason at any time is your fault this side of, what do we want to say, 2006? Nothing is backed up unless you have two copies beyond the original.


     


    Buy three hard drives, make three copies, keep one in your machine, one in your basement, and one outside your home. You can have about a thousand 1080p movies in the space of two decks of cards with incredible access times and you still think that discs are a better solution?

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    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member

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    Originally Posted by bugsnw View Post


    I know SJ hates optical drives. His NeXT box, which I used in college, was bogged down by that finicky recordable optical disk. It would spin up and down constantly and eventually died. I'm surprised he didn't make Apple an ODD free zone before he died.


     



    Steve Jobs made millions on Disney movies on disc so I would doubt he hates optical drives. I am sure he loved optical drives, but he loved getting people to switch to downloads so they could buy the movies again.

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    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    A terabyte HDD is under $100. I know that printing plastic discs is cheaper than NAND or even spinning disk media, but the latter will last you far longer.





    Problem is at first I got a 500GB HD for $100, then it ran out of space and I spent another $100 for 1TB HD. Then another $100 for a 2TB HD. Spending a lot just to consolidate movies that I already own.

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    Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

    Problem is at first I got a 500GB HD for $100, then it ran out of space and I spent another $100 for 1TB HD. Then another $100 for a 2TB HD. Spending a lot just to consolidate movies that I already own.


     


    Ownership isn't the issue here. Increase of (physical) storage space, increase in seek times, no need to physically mess with discs, and availability on any device anywhere at any time is the issue here.


     


    Do you really want an optical drive in your iPhone?

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    mstonemstone Posts: 11,510member


    This forum software really needs to enable us to block not just regular users but also a Global Moderator. Just saying. I've had about enough of this loose cannon.

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    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    Losing any data for any reason at any time is your fault this side of, what do we want to say, 2006? Nothing is backed up unless you have two copies beyond the original.


     


    Buy three hard drives, make three copies, keep one in your machine, one in your basement, and one outside your home. You can have about a thousand 1080p movies in the space of two decks of cards with incredible access times and you still think that discs are a better solution?





    Yes, definitely my fault if I go the download route. But I just buy the disc and rip to the HD. The disc is the backup and I do not have to pay for the extra HD.

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    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    Ownership isn't the issue here. Increase of (physical) storage space, increase in seek times, no need to physically mess with discs, and availability on any device anywhere at any time is the issue here.


     


    Do you really want an optical drive in your iPhone?





    No, I would rather have an HD in my iPhone. So by does the question of wanting an optical drive on my iPhone really apply to whether I want it on my iMac? I mean optical drive won't fit in my pocket protector but I kinda still want it.

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    Originally Posted by mstone View Post

    This forum software really needs to enable us to block not just regular users but also a Global Moderator. Just saying. I've had about enough of this loose cannon.


     


    Pyew pyew. ????


     


    "YOU'RE OFF THE CASE, CALLAHAN!" "BUT CHIEF, I CAN GET THIS GUY!" "CALLAHAN, YOU'RE A LOOSE CANNON!"


     



    Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

    Yes, definitely my fault if I go the download route. But I just buy the disc and rip to the HD. The disc is the backup and I do not have to pay for the extra HD.


     


    So buy the hard drive, use it as your primary, and put the discs in a storage unit on the south side of town as your backup.


     



    Originally Posted by pt123 View Post

    No, I would rather have an HD in my iPhone.


     


    Right. And this is the question the people at Apple are asking themselves internally, and the one which they have been for at least the past five years since the whole Blu-ray fiasco started. Apple has decided, starting with the most recent Mac Mini, that the time has come in which they would rather not have an optical drive in all of their products, not just the handheld ones.


     


    Remember that PC tablets used to have optical drives. They called themselves tablets. Now Apple is working up the scale, removing the ODD as they go, because it has served its purpose in their devices.

  • Reply 110 of 257
    pt123pt123 Posts: 696member

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    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


    Remember that PC tablets used to have optical drives. They called themselves tablets. Now Apple is working up the scale, removing the ODD as they go, because it has served its purpose in their devices.



    That is fine for Apple to remove their optical drive, just as long as people don't whine about internet usage caps. It comes with the territory (downloads).

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    bugsnwbugsnw Posts: 717member



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    I guess everyone glossed over the exciting innovation occurring (or soon to occur) with Apple's keyboards. I, for one, am titillated.


     
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    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,095member
    I can't wait to see how your going to play those 4K movie files in the next couple of years without an optical drive...

    If you really believe what you're saying, then I have a bridge I want to sell you.
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    sockrolidsockrolid Posts: 2,789member

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    Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post


     


    For those who need an optical disc drive -- you can buy an external USB ODD from apple for $79.



     


    Bingo.  Casual users can occasionally plug in their Apple USB Superdrive.  Families can share a SuperDrive on an older Mac with one built-in.


     


    Oh, and for the "pro" whiners who claim they need an internal drive, do you really want to burn out that internal drive?


    It's not user-replaceable, on either the iMac or older MacBook Pro.  Costs a whole lot more than $79 to replace.


     


    Trust me.  I know.

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    zunxzunx Posts: 620member


    Hopefully with matte display option. It is a deal breaker because it is a serious health and productivity issue. MacMatte.

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    sr2012sr2012 Posts: 896member
    OK. On a related note, why is there nothing in iOS6 so far that points to 16:9 screen? Or did I miss it?
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    I'm an old fart and I love hard, physical copies of my media so part of me is dismayed but another part of me sees this as the future of computing - no odd's & everything pretty much available via digital download. Pretty exciting time to be sure. Once again Apple is leading the way while the others follow and play catch-up.

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    With a bit of luck this re-design to the iMac might fix the glaring design flaw of every new shaped model.

    It's not much to ask is it. Sort out your LCD panels and seal them Apple. I think we'll hit over 200 iMac's going back to Apple this year for new screens and glass. A pathetic embarrassment is all the iMac currently is.

    If you can't use it without the screen picking up dust waves in it and staining the screen. What's the point? You've only had a few years Apple. You have changed enough of the screens and know about the issue.

    For Christ sake sort it out!! It cannot be that difficult. I'd be tempted to get a new one, but I won't pay for something so obviously flawed. There a waste of money.

    Until then I will stick to black marking the iMac as flawed and advise people to stay away from it. Especially as a personal purchase. Always buy the APP as well. You'll need it.
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    There is no way IN HELL that the Mac Pro is losing it's optical drive unless they replace it with something like another PCI bay or just put another SSD there.
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    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,228member


    I could understand it if they remove the DvD from the imac's, but since the MacPro is a tower I think it should keep the drive. 

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    herbapouherbapou Posts: 2,228member

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    Originally Posted by Sedicivalvole View Post



    With a bit of luck this re-design to the iMac might fix the glaring design flaw of every new shaped model.

    It's not much to ask is it. Sort out your LCD panels and seal them Apple. I think we'll hit over 200 iMac's going back to Apple this year for new screens and glass. A pathetic embarrassment is all the iMac currently is.

    If you can't use it without the screen picking up dust waves in it and staining the screen. What's the point? You've only had a few years Apple. You have changed enough of the screens and know about the issue.

    For Christ sake sort it out!! It cannot be that difficult. I'd be tempted to get a new one, but I won't pay for something so obviously flawed. There a waste of money.

    Until then I will stick to black marking the iMac as flawed and advise people to stay away from it. Especially as a personal purchase. Always buy the APP as well. You'll need it.


     


    I agree that imacs picking up dust from the inside of the glass is a design flaw.  My 2009 imac broke 2 times (GPU and HD) and both times the Apple tech were nice to completly clean up the inside side of the glass and the screen. If they wouldnt the glass would now be permanently stain from the inside. In fact a small part the screen is a bit stain despite the cleaning, but it doesnt show up when the screen is on.


     


     


    The tech told me that after some time the dust cooks on the screen and stain it. Imo if you have imacs and the apple care you may ask tech support if they can do a clean up free of charge.

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