Apple files hint at re-engineered iMac and Mac Pro models, potentially without optical drives

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  • Reply 61 of 257
    hmmhmm Posts: 3,405member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    1) Is that product legal?

    2) I didn't mean it as an actual brand name but x referring to an unknown thing. I assumed that's how others used it when the term was coined.

    I'll be getting an iMac, most likely, after using notebooks exclusively since about 1998. I'm not giving up my MBP completely, but since my iPhone and iPad fill a major part of that niche I think I'll try getting the largest iMac they have so I can see how that feels on my desk.

    PS: Oh yeah, I'll have to buy a desk, too. And a chair. And I guess some executive-style doodads to keep on the desk.




    1)  Yeah Sonnet is a legitimate brand, and they often offer products for Macs earlier than other brands.  You just pay quite a lot at times. I do not think they'd break any laws on this, and xMac was always a term coined by users rather than Apple anyway. I'm never sure who will get my sense of humor, but I was having fun with that one. I understand that the "X" is to represent an unknown variable. You're talking to someone with a math obsession:P.


     


    2) Yeah I've definitely noticed how much typical computer desks have diminished. I'd need one regardless due to the sheer number of peripherals. I still don't have an ipad. I like them, but they are still too limiting for some of the ways I would want to use one. Even in things that aren't cpu bound, it cannot necessarily replace the use of a notebook for me.

  • Reply 62 of 257
    h2ph2p Posts: 331member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post





    ...I can see it not having an ODD at all, but have a case that allows for an ODD option. Perhaps even not a tray, but a cleverly placed slot for the disc should you decide to go with that option...


    +1 on your suggestion SolipsismX. Slim, discrete and an option. We all know that Apple can design this in... for the few of us that don't want to have the external ODD.

  • Reply 63 of 257

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    By downloading them. Why's that even a question? HEVC makes everything a piece of cake.



    And your long term storage for the video you purchase? Again, I will bet the DL won't be a full 36 mbs movie. I don't think provider will tolerate everybody downloading 25 gig files at todays capacity.

  • Reply 64 of 257
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by justamacguy View Post

    The floppy die because it ran out of space and could not be expanded any further.


     


    And the disc is dead because it's the slowest part of any computer by an order of magnitude or more. I don't care if I can have terabyte HVDs if it takes a frigging hour to access data on them. Have you seen the loading screens on consoles these days? Everyone in every industry would be better served to drop the disc and go digital.






    VHS died because of a better format for viewing and storage (the optical disc).



     


    And optical is dead because SSD is a better format for viewing and storage. It's the circle of tech. And it moves us all. Through bits and bytes. Through giga and tera. 'Till we find our place. And stop all rewinding. It's the circle. The circle of tech.






    There is no way that todays 6 mbs network video is going to look as good and 36 mbs BluRay. Also... please explain to me how you are going to handle the coming 4K format on your internet connection and jump drives. Are you willing to spend that much on storage for your movies?



     


    Please go look up HEVC. It's gonna cut my terabyte of digital media by much GREATER than half, and would even give me a higher bitrate. I legitimately can't wait to reencode all of that video to such a splendid format.


     


    And then I'll rip everything from discs for my immediate family and set us all up with Apple TVs. All Apple has to do to get me to buy four Apple


    TVs right now is allow them to access hard drives formatted as iTunes Libraries when they're directly connected to an AirPort.


     



    Originally Posted by justamacguy View Post

    And your long term storage for the video you purchase? Again, I will bet the DL won't be a full 36 mbs movie.


     


    For me, spinning disk hard drives until SSD's come down in price. I'll bet the download won't need to be a "36Mb/s" movie. Like Blu-ray provides anything remotely close to lossless video, anyway. 






     I don't think provider will tolerate everybody downloading 25 gig files at todays capacity.



     


    I don't think they have a choice. In fact, I know they don't. They are forced to change to stay relevant. For example, my ISP is uncapped, unthrottled, and unblocked.


     


    If any of those three changes, there will be HELL to pay from me and tens of millions of my fellow subscribers.


    If they refuse to increase our speeds to keep up with what Google is doing, there will be HELL to pay from me and tens of millions of my fellow subscribers.


     


    They do what WE want or they go out of business. Telecoms and ISPs can only get away with so much.

  • Reply 65 of 257

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    Originally Posted by justamacguy View Post


    And your long term storage for the video you purchase? Again, I will bet the DL won't be a full 36 mbs movie. I don't think provider will tolerate everybody downloading 25 gig files at todays capacity.



    http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/mac_accessories/storage ;


     


    The fact that you can already buy a 1tb hard drive for around $100 means that they will soon be $50, and then $25 ect ect. Also a hard drive is far smaller than a stack of dvds (especially if you have cases) and easier to organize. Hello the future... I mean present. 

  • Reply 66 of 257
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    I produce wedding and event videos and I have never has a bride yet that has asked for a fuzzy, blurry Youtube video for her wedding.

    And there we have it. Your type of argument usually boils down to only wanting what you want the rest of the world be damned for not having your specific needs. If you are a professional then focusing on some aesthetic where you want to Apple to supply the drive and where you want Apple to design their Macs around your specific needs is selfish. You are entitled to want these things. I certainly have a lot of desires for my kit but I don't blame Apple for not hurting their business for not following my self-serving desires. That's what it boils down to! If you want a Mac that you do your wedding stuff then get a Mac Pro or an external Blu-ray burner. What app do you use for this anyway because Apple has forgotten about DVD Studio Pro and has never bothered to support Blu-ray in any of their professional products, so you have to be aware that day was coming.
  • Reply 67 of 257
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by pinkunicorn View Post

    The fact that you can already buy a 1tb hard drive for around $100 means that they will soon be $50, and then $25 ect ect. Also a hard drive is far smaller than a stack of dvds (especially if you have cases) and easier to organize. Hello the future... I mean present. 


     


    And think of the future he proposes: scratch a disc at all, lose a terabyte of data.


     


    Scratch a hard drive, you have a metal case with a scratch in it and data that would laugh if it were sentient.

  • Reply 68 of 257
    nealgnealg Posts: 132member


    Personally, I would miss the optical drive. I watch the movies on my iMac. I upgraded my iMac at the end of last year so this is not a problem for me. My wife's iMac is due for replacement this year and I can't remember the last time she used the DVD player so for her, if it didn't have an optical drive, it would be ok. For me, I would probably get an external optical drive if the iMac did not have the option of a built in drive when it comes time to replace my present machine. If this story is true, maybe Apple will keep an older model around for a while that has the optical drive for choice for the consumer.

  • Reply 69 of 257
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by nealg View Post

    If this story is true, maybe Apple will keep an older model around for a while that has the optical drive for choice for the consumer.


     


    See, if Apple can surprise me (us?) and pop out two retina models of iMac (can anyone even imagine the feeling of a retina 27"?!), I bet they'd update the current design's 21.5" model with new hardware as a really cheap low end… 


     


    But otherwise it's not about choice whatsoever. It's about progress, and not for its own sake. This progress is certainly a long time coming. A very long time.

  • Reply 70 of 257
    sennensennen Posts: 1,472member

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    Originally Posted by justamacguy View Post


    I have never has a bride yet that has asked for a fuzzy, blurry Youtube video for her wedding.


     



     


    I should hope not, and that you wouldn't supply such a file.


     


     


     


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    BluRay is currently available in both 25 and 50 gig today with drives in development capable of 500 gig. There is no way that todays 6 mbs network video is going to look as good and 36 mbs BluRay. Also... please explain to me how you are going to handle the coming 4K format on your internet connection and jump drives. Are you willing to spend that much on storage for your movies?



     


    Blu-Ray has it's uses, just not necessarily on a computer. It's going to be a while (couple of years minimum) still before 4K is an everyday/consumer product. Storage is cheap, and will be cheaper by that time, and I'm sure encoders will keep advancing as well.

  • Reply 71 of 257
    andysolandysol Posts: 2,506member
    As big a bag of hurt Blu-ray is, the concept of an optical drive entirely is now a far bigger one.
    Blu ray will be obsolete- yes.
    I just hope that streaming or a format comes to fruition that is unnoticeable to Blu-Ray that would allow me to get away from it before it becomes obsolete.

    Because as I sit here watching Kung Fu Panda 2 on Blu Ray with 7.1 DTS Master HD... Nothing can touch it. So I'll be a hold out as long as I can. 600+ Blu Rays because I still value the quality over convenience. I'm not gonna say something douchey like "people are lazy- that's why they value convenience over quality". The truth is- as convenience gets better quality, like apples 1080p now- that's another step closer and another nail in the coffin- all the while making convenience an even bigger factor because the gap has narrowed.

    I'm all for dumping the Blus- just not until there is a better format. (I also love certain 4k or 8k restorations only available on Blu ray- Ben hur, to kill a mockingbird, Gandhi, etc etc).
  • Reply 72 of 257
    isheldonisheldon Posts: 570member
    jr_b wrote: »
    Look at my brand new Apple iMac.  It has a wireless keyboard and a wireless mouse.  It's a work of art with the exception of the external optical drive!


    That raccoon high gloss screen nixes that.
    The white knight with matte screen was so much more refined.
  • Reply 73 of 257
    isheldonisheldon Posts: 570member
    h2p wrote: »
    +1 on your suggestion SolipsismX. Slim, discrete and an option. We all know that Apple can design this in... for the few of us that don't want to have the external ODD.

    Pffft- iMac needs a matte/ non glossy option way before a stupid tray option
  • Reply 74 of 257
    isheldonisheldon Posts: 570member
    BuffyzDead wrote: »
    [SIZE=16px]I hope it's announced at the rumored Sep 12 event.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=16px]I'll be buying a BTO iMac, with the largest display, spec'd out to the gills !!![/SIZE]


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    Agreed . I hope they finally get the iMac right after all these lean years. I can finally put my white iMac to sleep.
  • Reply 75 of 257
    bugsnwbugsnw Posts: 717member



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    This is a great move, ditching anything that spins. The hard drive will be last to go, but the ODD is long overdue. Reading some of the posts does illustrate that some professionals need such storage, but their needs can still be met externally.


     


    My last DVD purchase was the King of Queens box set. My boys and I love to watch it together. But holy crud, it's a pain to load it up. DVD players are the epitome of slothery. Even the eject mechanism takes its time. Then there's the long load, followed by being threatened with fines and jail time, followed by an ever-changing GUI to access the content.


     


    I typed this post faster than this process plays out. Painful stuff. Our only compensation is the laughter that follows. And mercifully, there is a Play All Episodes option that bypasses the threat of prison rape before I enjoy the content.


     


    I know SJ hates optical drives. His NeXT box, which I used in college, was bogged down by that finicky recordable optical disk. It would spin up and down constantly and eventually died. I'm surprised he didn't make Apple an ODD free zone before he died.


     
  • Reply 76 of 257
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member

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    Originally Posted by Market_Player View Post


    Boo


     


    Get a UPS for that.



     


    Why? If it's not a big deal for a laptop, I'd like it to be included in the iMac.

  • Reply 77 of 257
    isheldonisheldon Posts: 570member
    bugsnw wrote: »
    This is a great move, ditching anything that spins. The hard drive will be last to go, but the ODD is long overdue. Reading some of the posts does illustrate that some professionals need such storage, but their needs can still be met externally.

    My last DVD purchase was the King of Queens box set. My boys and I love to watch it together. But holy crud, it's a pain to load it up. DVD players are the epitome of slothery. Even the eject mechanism takes its time. Then there's the long load, followed by being threatened with fines and jail time, followed by an ever-changing GUI to access the content.

    I typed this post faster than this process plays out. Painful stuff. Our only compensation is the laughter that follows. And mercifully, there is a Play All Episodes option that bypasses the threat of prison rape before I enjoy the content.

    I know SJ hates optical drives. His NeXT box, which I used in college, was bogged down by that finicky recordable optical disk. It would spin up and down constantly and eventually died. I'm surprised he didn't make Apple an ODD free zone before he died.
     



    Have u ever heard of a turntable?
    Steve jobs loved them.
    Quality over speed.
  • Reply 78 of 257

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    Originally Posted by SolipsismX View Post

     


    I'll be getting an iMac, most likely, after using notebooks exclusively since about 1998. I'm not giving up my MBP completely, but since my iPhone and iPad fill a major part of that niche I think I'll try getting the largest iMac they have so I can see how that feels on my desk.

    PS: Oh yeah, I'll have to buy a desk, too. And a chair. And I guess some executive-style doodads to keep on the desk.


    You're regressing, Solipx! :)


     


    Use your iP5 with an wifi iPad and put your money into the big screen AppleTV when it comes out. Who wants to sit at a "desk" with a computer? Ugh! :)

  • Reply 79 of 257
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    Why? If it's not a big deal for a laptop, I'd like it to be included in the iMac.

    1) Why is it necessary for a desktop? If my power were to go out (something I can't recall happening in the last decade) my WiFi and cable modem would be out of commission so it's a moot point. I assume that Mac users likely live in areas with decent power grids. If it is an issue what percentage of Mac users do you think it would affect? How many desktop units does that amount to. If the Mac Pro/Power Mac has never had one then why expect it in the iMac which is already compact and isn't what I think Apple would call a mission critical machine that needs to capture every change that might have happened within the last couple seconds. It all just sounds like more hassle and cost than it's worth. I certainly don't want to pay for it.

    2) Remember that components in a notebook are designed to power efficient for a battery. The 2.5" HDD runs off of USB power. A 3.5" HDD doesn't. Then there is the screen. How much more power does a 27" display need over a notebook? Then there is the CPU, GPU and other components.
    • 11" MBA — 45W
    • 13" MBA — 45W
    • 13" MBP — 60W
    • 15" MBP — 85W
    • 21.5" iMac — 205W
    • 27" iMac — 310W

    Do these scale perfectly? Are there technical issues with the amount of power needed? I have to think that UPS batteries weigh as much as a car battery and yet supply so little time for a reason.
  • Reply 80 of 257
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    You're regressing, Solipx! :)

    Use your iP5 with an wifi iPad and put your money into the big screen AppleTV when it comes out. Who wants to sit at a "desk" with a computer? Ugh! :)

    You might be right. But I'll still keep my other devices and would be interested in seeing what Apple could do for the HEC even if I think and Apple HDTV isn't nearly a ready for what has been proposed.
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