I can see why this thread is already petering out before 400 posts. The Android tech elite are all over on other sites getting their aggression out by telling Apple fans to "stop trolling" on those sites. Ars Technica, for example, already has over 700 posts on this topic.
I guess it's human nature to stick to communities that agree and support your point of view--that's why it's called a community. So when the going gets tough for their hero Samsung, the trolls do leave AI and go lean on each other over for emotional support on Android-friendly forums.
I can see why this thread is already petering out before 400 posts. The Android tech elite are all over on other sites getting their aggression out by telling Apple fans to "stop trolling" on those sites. Ars Technica, for example, already has over 700 posts on this topic.
I guess it's human nature to stick to communities that agree and support your point of view--that's why it's called a community. So when the going gets tough for their hero Samsung, the trolls do leave AI and go lean on each other over for emotional support on Android-friendly forums.
It's interesting that all those that claimed Apple can't win have been so quite. I'd like to think they are gouging on humble pie but I don't think sociopaths can feel humility.
There's nothing wrong with what Korean companies like Samsung have done. Historically, the US copied the industrial revolution from England. And Europe for centuries copied inventions from Asia. It's ridiculous to think that east asian countries should spend money on R&D to reinvent things.
You failed to point that historically, the US copied the ENGLISH LANGUAGE from England. It's ridiculous to think that the US would spend money on R&D to reinvent things.
What you're doing is called a false analogy. The scary thing is: smart people use it as a rhetorical device to win arguments (i.e., trolling), and dumb people use it because they actually believe it. Do you believe what you posted or not?
It's interesting that all those that claimed Apple can't win have been so quite. I'd like to think they are gouging on humble pie but I don't think sociopaths can feel humility.
Well I only perused the other forum (a random sample was sufficient because most threads are high repetitious in their arguments), but I did see someone post "but the jury has shown what you're saying is not true" and the response was "stop trolling here." Welcome to bizarro-world.
Most remarks were about how stupid or rushed the jury was. Internet trolls: not the finest members of our species.
Some of your above comments regarding Koreans' attitudes to the west, and in particular the US, might have had a lot more relevance in 1999. But today (in fact, since the Anton Ohno era around 2000) a new generation has assumed the mainstream of thought in Korea, a generation raised in comparative luxury on the sweat of their parents and grandparents who lived through hard times and the war. In general it's the older Koreans who remember the sacrifices of the United Nations forces and the western massive industrial/scientific/economic aid, while many of the younger generation are flag-waving xenophobes (see point 4 below).
I think the youth usually has one of those "umph" better known as idealism and usually coupled with nationalism. Nevertheless, these flag waving youth can easily blame the west for many things they considered as injustice. The one particular example was the Asian Currency Crisis of the late 1990's. When the IMF stepped in to remedy the dangerous Asian Economic Contagion. This new caretaker suddenly dictated what had to be done, what austerity measures and what not, before these suddenly bankrupt nations could get their aids from IMF. The way IMF conducted its business during this period of chaos in Eastern Asia was just horrid as if it had never been taught manners. To many Asian youths, including South Koreans, the way the IMF dictated their government was deplorable. This views were held quite widespread since many youths also put the blame on the West for propping up tyrant after tyrant for years. The military backed governments in South Korea, the Philippines and Indonesia could never be flourishing had it not for the US blessing. And, during this Economic crisis of 1990's, the common people would have to bear the brunt again for yet more mistakes in US foreign policy. Again, this view is rather simplistic, but it is good enough for the youth to put the blame squarely on the US shoulders. This was probably the flash point which seems to support your opinion with regard to South Korean youth's anger towards the US. I don't think this view is quite pervasive in today's South Korea, especially since South Korea managed to recover economically within just six years, quite swiftly considering how serious the crisis was. Their deep hatred towards the Japanese, however, continues to linger even to this day.
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...In addition, Korea has not a single top 50 university in the world rankings (the much better educated Americans, Europeans, Canadians, Australians and Japanese do much better) http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html. What Korea does have is the hagwan system of cram schools where parents send their kids to learn rote recitation of facts and established formulae any fool can look up in a book. If you call that education I'd call that pretty sad. This lack of originality in education is evident in Korea's dismal showing in science and medicine Nobels (they have exactly none) and Maths prizes like the Fields medal (again, Korea has never won a single one), possibly making them the only OECD nation not to make the cut. Ever. Again, Korea's 'great education' system is a total myth, it's a Confucian system built on regurgitating the innovations of others (and in science, that usually means foreigners). Hence it's easy to see why CEOs at Samsung have no problem with blatantly ripping off foreign companies - they've been trained to do it since they were young. If that sounds hard it's only because it's true. Are some Koreans very smart? Sure, just like some people from any country. But their education system sucks, which is why Korean parents will do almost anything to get their kids into western universities.
Your ranking cut-off system is rather curious if not ingenious. If you go with just the top 50, I can say that you are right since most universities in the top 50 were from the West, If you take MIT, Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Oxford, Stanford, University of Michigan, University of California Berkeley, University of Texas Austin, University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign, Caltech, Cambridge, University of Chicago, University of Pennsylvania, University of Carolina at Chapel Hill, Georgia Tech, Imperial College, UCLA, University of Washington, Cornell, University of Minnesota at Twin Cities, University of Wisconsin, Carnegie Mellon, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, McGill and University of Toronto, you will have very few spots left for your top 50. And, I actually had memorized these good schools from eons ago, and voila...! they are still in the top 50 even now, at least in some surveys. They are in the top 50 due to their reputations, and I think it's quite difficult to be kicked out of this top 50 unless you are doing something horribly wrong. You ought to see the top 200 to be able to see a better picture. And. once you do that, you will see four [4] South Korean universities start to show up on a radar: Seoul National University, Korea Advanced Institute of Science & Technology, Pohang University of Science and Technology and Yonsei University. That is quite respectable considering there are gazillions universities out there in the wild.
The major reason why Korean parents send their kids overseas is because their kids failed the entrance exam for gaining entry to reputable Korean universities, not to mention the tricks used by some rich parents to delay the obvious - the mandatory military service - which usually robs two years out of their children's life after high school. The key word here is "rich". If you are one of those rich parents, you can afford to send your kids overseas. Otherwise, you will have to make do with Korean educational system which is not as bad as you make it to be. The thing is when you start attending college, it is up to you what you want to get out of it. You can't depend too much on the system or the professors. It is essentially true wherever you go to school, even in the States. You have heard it before about undergrad classes being taught by TA's who can barely teach effectively. Worse still, in many reputable engineering schools, the TA's assigned for teaching these preliminary and introductory engineering or science classes can barely speak English at all. The upper division classes and Grad schools are where the US [and the West] educational system excel with top notch facilities and professors.
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......was in fact only possible at all because of American, European, and Japanese technology transfers, foreign expertise, industrial espionage (not to mention war reparations and foreign aid money, POSCO being a case in point) and cold war politics which fostered an American reluctance to prosecute Korean patent infringement. Do some older Koreans recognize this? Yes. But many of the younger generation have been brainwashed to believe Koreans actually did this on their own because of their 'superior education' (see point 3, above).
If you are saying this, this was also being done by the Japanese during its rebuilding period, Many Japanese had been caught for industrial espionage, and the last embarrasment was when a Japanese company Hitachi got caught in the early 1980's of having IBM's "Adirondack Workbook" in its possession. IBM had been the target of industrial espionage far too many times by not only Japanese entities but also others. Small wonder, IBM was and still is the warehouse of innovations and patents. I mentioned how South Korea had rebuild their economies faster than the Japanese without having to explain how South Korea had done it because it should be fairly obvious anyway. You said " American, European, and Japanese technology transfers, foreign expertise, industrial espionage (not to mention war reparations and foreign aid money....) as the reasoning behind South Korea's economic miracle. I don't dispute that at all, but you have to remember there are quite a few countries around the world with similar opportunities, like the Philippines and Indonesia for example, but yet these countries have failed to rebuild and develop their economies as swiftly as South Korea had done. So, there has to be something else at work here beyond the reasoning you mentioned above. One thing I have noticed about South Koreans. They are inherently very goal oriented, focused and hard workers, perfect workaholics poster boys. I haven't seen people dedicated so much to their works than the South Koreans. Perhaps, these traits are the ones that set them apart from their regional peers.
The fact that a Korean based company named Samsung has been found guilty of making a serious amount of money by ape'ing some Apple products shouldn't be overgeneralized to something it is not. For sure, it is not a verdict against Korean people. They are a very decent people, and I had the opportunity to get to know many of them. They are no different than Americans or Canadians. And of course, by the same token, it is not fair to bash and ridicule all Americans based only on actions by the likes of AIG, Arthur Andersen, Enron, Lehman Brothers or even an individual like Bernard Madoff.
I think that peruse doesn't mean what you think it means. Just a heads-up for you for the future and anyone else reading this who makes this common mistake.
I think that peruse doesn't mean what you think it means. Just a heads-up for you for the future and anyone else reading this who makes this common mistake.
Thanks, but link you sent says:
peruse(p??ru?z)
— vb
1.
toreadorexaminewithcare;study
2.
tobrowseorreadthroughinaleisurelyway
So it has a double meaning. And apparently a contradictory one at that.
You failed to point that historically, the US copied the ENGLISH LANGUAGE from England. It's ridiculous to think that the US would spend money on R&D to reinvent things.
What you're doing is called a false analogy. The scary thing is: smart people use it as a rhetorical device to win arguments (i.e., trolling), and dumb people use it because they actually believe it. Do you believe what you posted or not?
When you put it like that, anthropology seems rather simple.
I think that peruse doesn't mean what you think it means. Just a heads-up for you for the future and anyone else reading this who makes this common mistake.
Thanks, but link you sent says:
peruse (p??ru?z)
— vb
1. to read or examine with care; study
2. to browse or read through in a leisurely way
So it has a double meaning. And apparently a contradictory one at that.
Well, the first thing the link I posted says is:
1. to read through with thoroughness or care: to peruse a report.
2. to read.
3. to survey or examine in detail.
I hadn't scrolled down to see the definition from Collins (which is what you posted). The Collins definition is wrong; it is merely attempting to formalise the recent misinterpretation and misuse of the word. This is clearly stupid as the misinterpretation/misuse gives the word the exact opposite meaning of what it actually means.
Why you Americans are happy of this? Samsung is not affecting you as consumers because you are 100% free of chose the product you want, so if you don't like Samsung, just ignore it. ...
If you reply to my message, please remember that i was friendly, so I as a fan of Android expect the same from you.
Regards...
Also with respect, I think you missed the entire point of the Apple vs. Samsung trial. It was not about consumer choice at all really, it was about the survival of western companies and the theft of intellectual property. Samsung has been stealing foreign innovations/inventions for years, which has cost these American companies and individuals billions of dollars. So surely you can see why most Americans are happy to see Samsung being told they must stop stealing.
Put it this way...would you be happy if some Chinese company started saying that kimchee was in fact a Chinese invention, and that company then started to produce it so it tasted and looked exactly like the traditional Korean kimchee, but produced it much cheaper in China, and that destroyed the Korean kimchee industry? And then the Chinese company said "Hey, stop whining Koreans, you can't patent a cabbage!" Probably not. It's a little more complex and much more devious than that of course, but you get the idea. It's about jobs and money, yes, but equally about protecting one's inventions and the culture of innovation.
This is not a loss for Samsung but a win for Korean people who may one day be able to say that this ruling, for the first time, finally spurred true technological innovation in their country (and maybe even get them their first science Nobel prize a decade or two from now, who knows?). Good luck!
There's nothing wrong with what Korean companies like Samsung have done. Historically, the US copied the industrial revolution from England. And Europe for centuries copied inventions from Asia. It's ridiculous to think that east asian countries should spend money on R&D to reinvent things. Plus, many of these technology transfers mentioned above were bought and paid for. Western compannies continue to make a lot of money from these royalty payments.
As for this case, it seems to me that Samsung paid a small price to become what it is now the second biggest smart phone maker so I don't know why people are being so jubillent here. Samsung hasn't gone away, and they will continue to make huge profits.
So if you spent half your life writing a great book or inventing a machine that makes you money or provides energy for free, you wouldn't mind if I just "reinvent" it and put you and your family out on the street? I'm sure your wife would be very happy about that. Your kids too. Can I have some of what you're drinking, dude?
By which bizarre logic is it ridiculous to think east asian (or any other) countries should NOT spend money on their own R&D? Huh? How in the hell will they ever learn to stand on their own two feet if all they can do is try to ape foreigners? As for tech transfer agreements many more weren't paid for (as these come under industrial espionage and outright theft)—as yesterdays ruling against Samsung clearly shows.
Westerners stealing technology from Korea...uh, what exactly would that be, the recipe for dog meat soup? And as for Europeans copying the "R&D" in a medieval Chinese plow, it simply does not equate to the R&D involved in a Boeing 747 or Apple iPhone. The Chinese themselves got ceramics (among many other things) only after they had already been in use in Europe for millennia. They prefer to forget that Europeans like the Greeks and Romans, and some Africans also, had engineering and mathematics far superior to anything in China at the time. Chew on this if you will: Sure, China had its share of achievements in the ancient world. But its innovations essentially stopped at the level of technology found in the European middle ages, which is exactly where they'd be today if not for centuries of western scientific development. As for the US copying the industrial revolution from England (and I hope you're not so much of an English nationalist to exclude western Europe here).... I rank them pretty much equal in terms of the great achievements which brought us the modern world...but exactly where do you think most Americans came from? LOL.
Anyway, I'm happy for Apple today, they finally put these Samsung frauds in their place. Watch out Samedung, the precedent is set and you just lost a billion dollars to Apple's legal team while becoming a total joke in the eyes of the world.
has anyone here been following the case closely enough to opine why the iPad patents weren't protected?
I believe it has to do with the fact that the jury didn't find Samsung had violated the iPad's trade-dress.
I followed the trial reasonably closely and I have to admit that I was never really convinced that Samsung copied the iPad's trade-dress. I was absolutely convinced that Samsung had copied the iPhone's trade-dress, however.
I also feel that the core of Samsung's defense strategy was more like a bunch of whining than a real defense. And that's the subject of my latest blog post:
has anyone here been following the case closely enough to opine why the iPad patents weren't protected?
The jury member who talked to the press did not address that issue. For some reason, the jury felt that Apple's design patent was not infringed.
I can only speculate that the jury bought the Fidler prior art argument. I can't think of any other reason they've have stated that the iPhone design patents were infringed, but not the iPad.
Saw on CNN a report about the shock being felt in Korea over the verdict against their largest company.
One guy said that he thought the jury's action was based on "American nationalism" and that they were protecting an American company over a foreign one.
Interesting that he would say this this way now when Korea is churning with nationalist fever over an island group claimed by both Japan and Korea (Takeshima in Japanese), stoked in no small part by the Korean president's visit to said islands in order to build up his status at home after several scandals involving his family (his brother was recently arrested on bribery charges) before elections in December.
A Korean soccer player also was not given his bronze medal at the Olympics for holding up a message about the islands after winning the medal match against Japan. He was found to have acted impulsively in the heat of excitement by the Korean Olympic committee and was still permitted to skip his military duty (any athlete who gets bronze or above gets out of the duty).
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I can see why this thread is already petering out before 400 posts. The Android tech elite are all over on other sites getting their aggression out by telling Apple fans to "stop trolling" on those sites. Ars Technica, for example, already has over 700 posts on this topic.
I guess it's human nature to stick to communities that agree and support your point of view--that's why it's called a community. So when the going gets tough for their hero Samsung, the trolls do leave AI and go lean on each other over for emotional support on Android-friendly forums.
It's interesting that all those that claimed Apple can't win have been so quite. I'd like to think they are gouging on humble pie but I don't think sociopaths can feel humility.
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Originally Posted by allenadams
There's nothing wrong with what Korean companies like Samsung have done. Historically, the US copied the industrial revolution from England. And Europe for centuries copied inventions from Asia. It's ridiculous to think that east asian countries should spend money on R&D to reinvent things.
You failed to point that historically, the US copied the ENGLISH LANGUAGE from England. It's ridiculous to think that the US would spend money on R&D to reinvent things.
What you're doing is called a false analogy. The scary thing is: smart people use it as a rhetorical device to win arguments (i.e., trolling), and dumb people use it because they actually believe it. Do you believe what you posted or not?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
It's interesting that all those that claimed Apple can't win have been so quite. I'd like to think they are gouging on humble pie but I don't think sociopaths can feel humility.
Well I only perused the other forum (a random sample was sufficient because most threads are high repetitious in their arguments), but I did see someone post "but the jury has shown what you're saying is not true" and the response was "stop trolling here."
Most remarks were about how stupid or rushed the jury was. Internet trolls: not the finest members of our species.
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Radar
Some of your above comments regarding Koreans' attitudes to the west, and in particular the US, might have had a lot more relevance in 1999. But today (in fact, since the Anton Ohno era around 2000) a new generation has assumed the mainstream of thought in Korea, a generation raised in comparative luxury on the sweat of their parents and grandparents who lived through hard times and the war. In general it's the older Koreans who remember the sacrifices of the United Nations forces and the western massive industrial/scientific/economic aid, while many of the younger generation are flag-waving xenophobes (see point 4 below).
I think the youth usually has one of those "umph" better known as idealism and usually coupled with nationalism. Nevertheless, these flag waving youth can easily blame the west for many things they considered as injustice. The one particular example was the Asian Currency Crisis of the late 1990's. When the IMF stepped in to remedy the dangerous Asian Economic Contagion. This new caretaker suddenly dictated what had to be done, what austerity measures and what not, before these suddenly bankrupt nations could get their aids from IMF. The way IMF conducted its business during this period of chaos in Eastern Asia was just horrid as if it had never been taught manners. To many Asian youths, including South Koreans, the way the IMF dictated their government was deplorable. This views were held quite widespread since many youths also put the blame on the West for propping up tyrant after tyrant for years. The military backed governments in South Korea, the Philippines and Indonesia could never be flourishing had it not for the US blessing. And, during this Economic crisis of 1990's, the common people would have to bear the brunt again for yet more mistakes in US foreign policy. Again, this view is rather simplistic, but it is good enough for the youth to put the blame squarely on the US shoulders. This was probably the flash point which seems to support your opinion with regard to South Korean youth's anger towards the US. I don't think this view is quite pervasive in today's South Korea, especially since South Korea managed to recover economically within just six years, quite swiftly considering how serious the crisis was. Their deep hatred towards the Japanese, however, continues to linger even to this day.
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Radar
...In addition, Korea has not a single top 50 university in the world rankings (the much better educated Americans, Europeans, Canadians, Australians and Japanese do much better) http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/top-400.html. What Korea does have is the hagwan system of cram schools where parents send their kids to learn rote recitation of facts and established formulae any fool can look up in a book. If you call that education I'd call that pretty sad. This lack of originality in education is evident in Korea's dismal showing in science and medicine Nobels (they have exactly none) and Maths prizes like the Fields medal (again, Korea has never won a single one), possibly making them the only OECD nation not to make the cut. Ever. Again, Korea's 'great education' system is a total myth, it's a Confucian system built on regurgitating the innovations of others (and in science, that usually means foreigners). Hence it's easy to see why CEOs at Samsung have no problem with blatantly ripping off foreign companies - they've been trained to do it since they were young. If that sounds hard it's only because it's true. Are some Koreans very smart? Sure, just like some people from any country. But their education system sucks, which is why Korean parents will do almost anything to get their kids into western universities.
Your ranking cut-off system is rather curious if not ingenious. If you go with just the top 50, I can say that you are right since most universities in the top 50 were from the West, If you take MIT, Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Oxford, Stanford, University of Michigan, University of California Berkeley, University of Texas Austin, University of Illinois at Urbana Champaign, Caltech, Cambridge, University of Chicago, University of Pennsylvania, University of Carolina at Chapel Hill, Georgia Tech, Imperial College, UCLA, University of Washington, Cornell, University of Minnesota at Twin Cities, University of Wisconsin, Carnegie Mellon, Johns Hopkins, Northwestern, McGill and University of Toronto, you will have very few spots left for your top 50. And, I actually had memorized these good schools from eons ago, and voila...! they are still in the top 50 even now, at least in some surveys. They are in the top 50 due to their reputations, and I think it's quite difficult to be kicked out of this top 50 unless you are doing something horribly wrong. You ought to see the top 200 to be able to see a better picture. And. once you do that, you will see four [4] South Korean universities start to show up on a radar: Seoul National University, Korea Advanced Institute of Science & Technology, Pohang University of Science and Technology and Yonsei University. That is quite respectable considering there are gazillions universities out there in the wild.
The major reason why Korean parents send their kids overseas is because their kids failed the entrance exam for gaining entry to reputable Korean universities, not to mention the tricks used by some rich parents to delay the obvious - the mandatory military service - which usually robs two years out of their children's life after high school. The key word here is "rich". If you are one of those rich parents, you can afford to send your kids overseas. Otherwise, you will have to make do with Korean educational system which is not as bad as you make it to be. The thing is when you start attending college, it is up to you what you want to get out of it. You can't depend too much on the system or the professors. It is essentially true wherever you go to school, even in the States. You have heard it before about undergrad classes being taught by TA's who can barely teach effectively. Worse still, in many reputable engineering schools, the TA's assigned for teaching these preliminary and introductory engineering or science classes can barely speak English at all. The upper division classes and Grad schools are where the US [and the West] educational system excel with top notch facilities and professors.
Quote:
Radar
......was in fact only possible at all because of American, European, and Japanese technology transfers, foreign expertise, industrial espionage (not to mention war reparations and foreign aid money, POSCO being a case in point) and cold war politics which fostered an American reluctance to prosecute Korean patent infringement. Do some older Koreans recognize this? Yes. But many of the younger generation have been brainwashed to believe Koreans actually did this on their own because of their 'superior education' (see point 3, above).
If you are saying this, this was also being done by the Japanese during its rebuilding period, Many Japanese had been caught for industrial espionage, and the last embarrasment was when a Japanese company Hitachi got caught in the early 1980's of having IBM's "Adirondack Workbook" in its possession. IBM had been the target of industrial espionage far too many times by not only Japanese entities but also others. Small wonder, IBM was and still is the warehouse of innovations and patents. I mentioned how South Korea had rebuild their economies faster than the Japanese without having to explain how South Korea had done it because it should be fairly obvious anyway. You said " American, European, and Japanese technology transfers, foreign expertise, industrial espionage (not to mention war reparations and foreign aid money....) as the reasoning behind South Korea's economic miracle. I don't dispute that at all, but you have to remember there are quite a few countries around the world with similar opportunities, like the Philippines and Indonesia for example, but yet these countries have failed to rebuild and develop their economies as swiftly as South Korea had done. So, there has to be something else at work here beyond the reasoning you mentioned above. One thing I have noticed about South Koreans. They are inherently very goal oriented, focused and hard workers, perfect workaholics poster boys. I haven't seen people dedicated so much to their works than the South Koreans. Perhaps, these traits are the ones that set them apart from their regional peers.
The fact that a Korean based company named Samsung has been found guilty of making a serious amount of money by ape'ing some Apple products shouldn't be overgeneralized to something it is not. For sure, it is not a verdict against Korean people. They are a very decent people, and I had the opportunity to get to know many of them. They are no different than Americans or Canadians. And of course, by the same token, it is not fair to bash and ridicule all Americans based only on actions by the likes of AIG, Arthur Andersen, Enron, Lehman Brothers or even an individual like Bernard Madoff.
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I think that peruse doesn't mean what you think it means. Just a heads-up for you for the future and anyone else reading this who makes this common mistake.
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Originally Posted by Mr. H
I think that peruse doesn't mean what you think it means. Just a heads-up for you for the future and anyone else reading this who makes this common mistake.
Thanks, but link you sent says:
peruse (p??ru?z)
— vb
1.
to read or examine with care; study
2.
to browse or read through in a leisurely way
So it has a double meaning. And apparently a contradictory one at that.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
So Richard Pryor can sing? (wink, because smileys are broken)
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
You failed to point that historically, the US copied the ENGLISH LANGUAGE from England. It's ridiculous to think that the US would spend money on R&D to reinvent things.
What you're doing is called a false analogy. The scary thing is: smart people use it as a rhetorical device to win arguments (i.e., trolling), and dumb people use it because they actually believe it. Do you believe what you posted or not?
When you put it like that, anthropology seems rather simple.
Well, the first thing the link I posted says is:
1. to read through with thoroughness or care: to peruse a report.
2. to read.
3. to survey or examine in detail.
I hadn't scrolled down to see the definition from Collins (which is what you posted). The Collins definition is wrong; it is merely attempting to formalise the recent misinterpretation and misuse of the word. This is clearly stupid as the misinterpretation/misuse gives the word the exact opposite meaning of what it actually means.
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Originally Posted by anonimo
Why you Americans are happy of this? Samsung is not affecting you as consumers because you are 100% free of chose the product you want, so if you don't like Samsung, just ignore it. ...
If you reply to my message, please remember that i was friendly, so I as a fan of Android expect the same from you.
Regards...
Also with respect, I think you missed the entire point of the Apple vs. Samsung trial. It was not about consumer choice at all really, it was about the survival of western companies and the theft of intellectual property. Samsung has been stealing foreign innovations/inventions for years, which has cost these American companies and individuals billions of dollars. So surely you can see why most Americans are happy to see Samsung being told they must stop stealing.
Put it this way...would you be happy if some Chinese company started saying that kimchee was in fact a Chinese invention, and that company then started to produce it so it tasted and looked exactly like the traditional Korean kimchee, but produced it much cheaper in China, and that destroyed the Korean kimchee industry? And then the Chinese company said "Hey, stop whining Koreans, you can't patent a cabbage!" Probably not. It's a little more complex and much more devious than that of course, but you get the idea. It's about jobs and money, yes, but equally about protecting one's inventions and the culture of innovation.
This is not a loss for Samsung but a win for Korean people who may one day be able to say that this ruling, for the first time, finally spurred true technological innovation in their country (and maybe even get them their first science Nobel prize a decade or two from now, who knows?). Good luck!
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Originally Posted by GmanMac
Looks like the jury ruled for Samsung on the iPad infringement claim.
I guess that makes it something like:
Apple-15 Samsung-1
has anyone here been following the case closely enough to opine why the iPad patents weren't protected?
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Originally Posted by allenadams
There's nothing wrong with what Korean companies like Samsung have done. Historically, the US copied the industrial revolution from England. And Europe for centuries copied inventions from Asia. It's ridiculous to think that east asian countries should spend money on R&D to reinvent things. Plus, many of these technology transfers mentioned above were bought and paid for. Western compannies continue to make a lot of money from these royalty payments.
As for this case, it seems to me that Samsung paid a small price to become what it is now the second biggest smart phone maker so I don't know why people are being so jubillent here. Samsung hasn't gone away, and they will continue to make huge profits.
So if you spent half your life writing a great book or inventing a machine that makes you money or provides energy for free, you wouldn't mind if I just "reinvent" it and put you and your family out on the street? I'm sure your wife would be very happy about that. Your kids too. Can I have some of what you're drinking, dude?
By which bizarre logic is it ridiculous to think east asian (or any other) countries should NOT spend money on their own R&D? Huh? How in the hell will they ever learn to stand on their own two feet if all they can do is try to ape foreigners? As for tech transfer agreements many more weren't paid for (as these come under industrial espionage and outright theft)—as yesterdays ruling against Samsung clearly shows.
Westerners stealing technology from Korea...uh, what exactly would that be, the recipe for dog meat soup? And as for Europeans copying the "R&D" in a medieval Chinese plow, it simply does not equate to the R&D involved in a Boeing 747 or Apple iPhone. The Chinese themselves got ceramics (among many other things) only after they had already been in use in Europe for millennia. They prefer to forget that Europeans like the Greeks and Romans, and some Africans also, had engineering and mathematics far superior to anything in China at the time. Chew on this if you will: Sure, China had its share of achievements in the ancient world. But its innovations essentially stopped at the level of technology found in the European middle ages, which is exactly where they'd be today if not for centuries of western scientific development. As for the US copying the industrial revolution from England (and I hope you're not so much of an English nationalist to exclude western Europe here).... I rank them pretty much equal in terms of the great achievements which brought us the modern world...but exactly where do you think most Americans came from? LOL.
Anyway, I'm happy for Apple today, they finally put these Samsung frauds in their place. Watch out Samedung, the precedent is set and you just lost a billion dollars to Apple's legal team while becoming a total joke in the eyes of the world.
Samsung. Stole. And. Must. Pay. Suck. It. Up.
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Originally Posted by bizzle
has anyone here been following the case closely enough to opine why the iPad patents weren't protected?
I believe it has to do with the fact that the jury didn't find Samsung had violated the iPad's trade-dress.
I followed the trial reasonably closely and I have to admit that I was never really convinced that Samsung copied the iPad's trade-dress. I was absolutely convinced that Samsung had copied the iPhone's trade-dress, however.
I also feel that the core of Samsung's defense strategy was more like a bunch of whining than a real defense. And that's the subject of my latest blog post:
http://markshangout.com/blog/2012/8/26/apple-shines-samsung-whines.html
Mark
The jury member who talked to the press did not address that issue. For some reason, the jury felt that Apple's design patent was not infringed.
I can only speculate that the jury bought the Fidler prior art argument. I can't think of any other reason they've have stated that the iPhone design patents were infringed, but not the iPad.
Saw on CNN a report about the shock being felt in Korea over the verdict against their largest company.
One guy said that he thought the jury's action was based on "American nationalism" and that they were protecting an American company over a foreign one.
Interesting that he would say this this way now when Korea is churning with nationalist fever over an island group claimed by both Japan and Korea (Takeshima in Japanese), stoked in no small part by the Korean president's visit to said islands in order to build up his status at home after several scandals involving his family (his brother was recently arrested on bribery charges) before elections in December.
A Korean soccer player also was not given his bronze medal at the Olympics for holding up a message about the islands after winning the medal match against Japan. He was found to have acted impulsively in the heat of excitement by the Korean Olympic committee and was still permitted to skip his military duty (any athlete who gets bronze or above gets out of the duty).
Congratulations to USA !!!!!
USA 1 - ASIA 0
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Originally Posted by allenadams
As for this case, it seems to me that Samsung paid a small price to become what it is now the second biggest smart phone maker ...
the second biggest smart phone maker?
Nope.
Samsung Passes Apple, Is World’s Top Smartphone Maker.
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Originally Posted by mocseg
the second biggest smart phone maker?
Nope.
Samsung Passes Apple, Is World’s Top Smartphone Maker.
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