Apple wants HTC's Android smartphones banned. That'd be the only settlement Apple would take.
It's silly for the reporter to think HTC actually has the choice to settle.
It's a key point.
HTC has to fight it, as it's live or die (until HTC can 'innovate' or move to ICS++, or WP8 or whatever. Not selling and paying a an unplanned penalty on sold phones is a 'death penalty' akin to telling a D1 (US)Football team to stop playing football for a couple year... as cash flow depletes, making it noncompetitive for several years after (no-R&D, talent leaves, hard to recruit).
But if your business plan is to profit from stolen property, this is something you have to accept.
That is what has been overlooked in this whole thing. Apple was willing, for the sake of getting this over, knowing Samsung was a key partner, to liscence this unique functionality. Samsung said no, so there was no choice.
Aren't the HTC infringements more operational than aesthetic?
In what way and which one?
They took the playbook from Samsung and whatthey have with One series don't look like iOS now. Anyone still has older HTC, such as Sensation and Desire series, could you give it a whirl and get me up to speed?
AND, why Apple would bother with a minnow with iPhone 5 and iPad mini deadlines are this close. Can we come back at HTC after January Sales?
That is what has been overlooked in this whole thing. Apple was willing, for the sake of getting this over, knowing Samsung was a key partner, to liscence this unique functionality. Samsung said no, so there was no choice.
Samsung convinced Apple is no longer indispensable after Note, Galaxy 3 take off outside the U.S. with enough sales to keep Samsung Semiconductor in baclk for 10 years. Coupled that Galaxy Tab walk free from the case, they think they can now take on Apple on its own term.
Samsung killed Nokia, Panasonic and Sony before, so why not take on the trophy of the lifetime?
ITC recognized that in some Android-smartphones of the Taiwan producer of HTC patent laws of the Apple company are broken. Regulators any more support for the first time Apple in patent disputes with HTC.
The difference is that HTC had phones out before the iphone that had no keyboards on the front. Heck htc even has phones with home buttons that have things like a touch scroll wheel which apple does not have(look at the touch pro it has a touch sensitive scroll on the home button). Its not as clean cut as with the samsung case.
We don't need more derivative, unimaginative junk to clog the shelves under the pretense of "choice."
Still waiting for someone to come along and out-Apple Apple. Let's see competitors who are willing to put their vision behind a vertical business model and commit themselves to putting USER EXPERIENCE front-and-centre, rather than a race to the bottom. Those who want to use someone else's whored-out OS need not apply. Universal Licensing = "we don't care about our product, so we're ok with giving up control at the most critical stage: when the OS hits the hardware."
When you make statements like that, are you willing to acknowledge what Apple took from Android, or will you pass that off as "prior art", "stolen from WebOS", "existed in XYZ", etc?
Do you really believe Apple above those statements? Where do you think the Notification Shade came from?
We don't need more derivative, unimaginative junk to clog the shelves under the pretense of "choice."
Still waiting for someone to come along and out-Apple Apple. Let's see competitors who are willing to put their vision behind a vertical business model and commit themselves to putting USER EXPERIENCE front-and-centre, rather than a race to the bottom. Those who want to use someone else's whored-out OS need not apply. Universal Licensing = "we don't care about our product, so we're ok with giving up control at the most critical stage: when the OS hits the hardware."
We also don't need to keep filling the electronic landfills with garbage. Android phones that a lot of users don't want. Phones that don't last that long. Why is it I'm constantly seeing my Android buds swapping handsets? Where do the other handsets go?
We also don't need to keep filling the electronic landfills with garbage. Android phones that a lot of users don't want. Phones that don't last that long. Why is it I'm constantly seeing my Android buds swapping handsets? Where do the other handsets go?
If this is how you really feel, you should be pushing for an open platform, where mobile devices use a standard and can load the OS of their choice.
E.G., UEFI-based firmware that can install an OS (iOS, Android, WinPhone, etc.) in a fashion similar to how one can install OS X, Windows, Linux, etc.
Device manufacturers would provide drivers (and telecoms would provide radio drivers), and you could install and use what you please.
Consumer electronics. Samsung don't see smartphone to be any different product category than TV, home theatre, stereo, pocket music player, camera, iPod dock, DVD player and so on. You don't but they do.
The only source of money from Sony today are movie and music royalties and Sony Bank, selling bonds to Japanese customers at 0% interest. Their manufacturing stays in red since 2007. A brain-dead patient on life support I say.
Wasn't it like GM before bankrupcy; a pension fund which also make automobiles. By the same token, Harley Davidson of 2012 is a financing company which makes motorcycles.
We don't need infringers.
We don't need industry slobs.
We don't need more derivative, unimaginative junk to clog the shelves under the pretense of "choice."
Still waiting for someone to come along and out-Apple Apple. Let's see competitors who are willing to put their vision behind a vertical business model and commit themselves to putting USER EXPERIENCE front-and-centre, rather than a race to the bottom. Those who want to use someone else's whored-out OS need not apply. Universal Licensing = "we don't care about our product, so we're ok with giving up control at the most critical stage: when the OS hits the hardware."
Well you're gonna die waiting and why would you want to see that?
2) The cool things like gestures and tricky hardware things that no one else does, are simply not shared. Ever.
That sums it up perfectly. Apple worked long and hard on their hardware and software. They paid good money to acquire Fingerworks and PA Semi and other companies to incorporate and refine their hardware and software technologies. Those investments gave Apple major competitive advantages that have driven Apple's recent success. And now Apple is protecting those investments. Any company would.
Why are consumers forced to use a proprietary OS on a mobile phone? Dual core, quad core SoCs, GB(s) of RAM and GB(s) of storage.
Would you buy a MacBook if you knew that you'd be stuck on Mountain Lion and never able to upgrade? It's your laptop. You can install whatever you want on it.
Our current model doesn't support this, and every two years, as contracts expire, we toss cell phones out the door and go buy a new model on contract. It's tremendously wasteful and completely unnecessary.
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Originally Posted by drobforever
Bottom line, there's nothing to settle.
Apple wants HTC's Android smartphones banned. That'd be the only settlement Apple would take.
It's silly for the reporter to think HTC actually has the choice to settle.
It's a key point.
HTC has to fight it, as it's live or die (until HTC can 'innovate' or move to ICS++, or WP8 or whatever. Not selling and paying a an unplanned penalty on sold phones is a 'death penalty' akin to telling a D1 (US)Football team to stop playing football for a couple year... as cash flow depletes, making it noncompetitive for several years after (no-R&D, talent leaves, hard to recruit).
But if your business plan is to profit from stolen property, this is something you have to accept.
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Originally Posted by starbird73
That is what has been overlooked in this whole thing. Apple was willing, for the sake of getting this over, knowing Samsung was a key partner, to liscence this unique functionality. Samsung said no, so there was no choice.
and HTC is not a key partner.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Aren't the HTC infringements more operational than aesthetic?
In what way and which one?
They took the playbook from Samsung and whatthey have with One series don't look like iOS now. Anyone still has older HTC, such as Sensation and Desire series, could you give it a whirl and get me up to speed?
AND, why Apple would bother with a minnow with iPhone 5 and iPad mini deadlines are this close. Can we come back at HTC after January Sales?
Dismembering Android one limb at a time?
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Originally Posted by starbird73
That is what has been overlooked in this whole thing. Apple was willing, for the sake of getting this over, knowing Samsung was a key partner, to liscence this unique functionality. Samsung said no, so there was no choice.
Samsung convinced Apple is no longer indispensable after Note, Galaxy 3 take off outside the U.S. with enough sales to keep Samsung Semiconductor in baclk for 10 years. Coupled that Galaxy Tab walk free from the case, they think they can now take on Apple on its own term.
Samsung killed Nokia, Panasonic and Sony before, so why not take on the trophy of the lifetime?
ITC recognized that in some Android-smartphones of the Taiwan producer of HTC patent laws of the Apple company are broken. Regulators any more support for the first time Apple in patent disputes with HTC.
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Originally Posted by King of Beige
Dismembering Android one limb at a time?
The difference is that HTC had phones out before the iphone that had no keyboards on the front. Heck htc even has phones with home buttons that have things like a touch scroll wheel which apple does not have(look at the touch pro it has a touch sensitive scroll on the home button). Its not as clean cut as with the samsung case.
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Originally Posted by Fairthrope
Samsung killed Nokia, Panasonic and Sony before, so why not take on the trophy of the lifetime?
Can't.
Apple mindshare. Watch it in action this quarter.
Samsung "killed" Sony?? In what? O.o
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Originally Posted by Fairthrope
Samsung convinced Apple is no longer indispensable
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/08/27/samsung_hopes_strict_internal_firewall_will_protect_apple_parts_deals.html
And aside from that:
http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/152151/samsung-hopes-strict-internal-firewall-will-protect-apple-parts-deals#post_2176815
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
We don't need infringers.
We don't need industry slobs.
We don't need more derivative, unimaginative junk to clog the shelves under the pretense of "choice."
Still waiting for someone to come along and out-Apple Apple. Let's see competitors who are willing to put their vision behind a vertical business model and commit themselves to putting USER EXPERIENCE front-and-centre, rather than a race to the bottom. Those who want to use someone else's whored-out OS need not apply. Universal Licensing = "we don't care about our product, so we're ok with giving up control at the most critical stage: when the OS hits the hardware."
When you make statements like that, are you willing to acknowledge what Apple took from Android, or will you pass that off as "prior art", "stolen from WebOS", "existed in XYZ", etc?
Do you really believe Apple above those statements? Where do you think the Notification Shade came from?
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
We don't need infringers.
We don't need industry slobs.
We don't need more derivative, unimaginative junk to clog the shelves under the pretense of "choice."
Still waiting for someone to come along and out-Apple Apple. Let's see competitors who are willing to put their vision behind a vertical business model and commit themselves to putting USER EXPERIENCE front-and-centre, rather than a race to the bottom. Those who want to use someone else's whored-out OS need not apply. Universal Licensing = "we don't care about our product, so we're ok with giving up control at the most critical stage: when the OS hits the hardware."
We also don't need to keep filling the electronic landfills with garbage. Android phones that a lot of users don't want. Phones that don't last that long. Why is it I'm constantly seeing my Android buds swapping handsets? Where do the other handsets go?
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Originally Posted by emig647
We also don't need to keep filling the electronic landfills with garbage. Android phones that a lot of users don't want. Phones that don't last that long. Why is it I'm constantly seeing my Android buds swapping handsets? Where do the other handsets go?
If this is how you really feel, you should be pushing for an open platform, where mobile devices use a standard and can load the OS of their choice.
E.G., UEFI-based firmware that can install an OS (iOS, Android, WinPhone, etc.) in a fashion similar to how one can install OS X, Windows, Linux, etc.
Device manufacturers would provide drivers (and telecoms would provide radio drivers), and you could install and use what you please.
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Originally Posted by Shidell
When you make statements like that, are you willing to acknowledge what Apple took from Android, ?
Acknowledge what? I didn't see any court making that determination. Did you?
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Acknowledge what? I didn't see any court making that determination. Did you?
This is now my defense to anyone and everyone on this site.
Great argument. Awesome point.
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Originally Posted by Quadra 610
Can't.
Apple mindshare. Watch it in action this quarter.
Samsung "killed" Sony?? In what? O.o
Consumer electronics. Samsung don't see smartphone to be any different product category than TV, home theatre, stereo, pocket music player, camera, iPod dock, DVD player and so on. You don't but they do.
The only source of money from Sony today are movie and music royalties and Sony Bank, selling bonds to Japanese customers at 0% interest. Their manufacturing stays in red since 2007. A brain-dead patient on life support I say.
Wasn't it like GM before bankrupcy; a pension fund which also make automobiles. By the same token, Harley Davidson of 2012 is a financing company which makes motorcycles.
Well you're gonna die waiting and why would you want to see that?
I'm not really sure if you're being serious...
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
2) The cool things like gestures and tricky hardware things that no one else does, are simply not shared. Ever.
That sums it up perfectly. Apple worked long and hard on their hardware and software. They paid good money to acquire Fingerworks and PA Semi and other companies to incorporate and refine their hardware and software technologies. Those investments gave Apple major competitive advantages that have driven Apple's recent success. And now Apple is protecting those investments. Any company would.
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Originally Posted by Vadania
I'm not really sure if you're being serious...
I'm absolutely serious.
Why are consumers forced to use a proprietary OS on a mobile phone? Dual core, quad core SoCs, GB(s) of RAM and GB(s) of storage.
Would you buy a MacBook if you knew that you'd be stuck on Mountain Lion and never able to upgrade? It's your laptop. You can install whatever you want on it.
Our current model doesn't support this, and every two years, as contracts expire, we toss cell phones out the door and go buy a new model on contract. It's tremendously wasteful and completely unnecessary.