'iPad mini' will be challengingly thin thanks to 'GF2' technology

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  • Reply 21 of 121
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by Strix View Post

    Lugging an iPad, wonderful as one is, is too much of a problem and also a little irritating/obtrusive to those alongside you.


     


    Is it? And 'lugging'? I guess I can't comment on that; I've not been in Ireland (Europe/small pubs) since aught eight, so I don't have firsthand experience seeing iPads in a pub setting. Would it really be in the way? I don't recall the barstools being that close together… 

  • Reply 22 of 121
    bigpicsbigpics Posts: 1,397member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Apple ][ View Post


     


    This is an Apple forum. Both Windows and Android are cheap, knockoff OS'es that are liked and used by people who are aesthetically challenged, and in the case of Android, that very often includes economically challenged people too.








    Without commenting on whether it's money well spent, I'm certain (because of their inefficiency and bureaucratization if nothing else) that MS has spent far more money and engineering resources on Windows 8 than Apple spent on Lion + Mountain Lion over a similar time frame, and it's hardly a knock off of anything I know of.  And it may not be my aesthetic, but it has its design and UI points (and problems).


     


    It's also true that MS historically has consistently invested a higher percentage of gross income into R&D than Apple - and AAPL's R&D last I researched things (about two years ago), is actually below the industry average in general. 



    That may be because of focus, good project selection etc. - no Kin/Zune/three years late OS's etc. disasters at Apple that I can recall of late - but it is of interest.  Personally there are a few small old rough edges I would've liked to have seen dealt with with a few bucks of said focus, but the point of my post is there's no need to build up Apple by misstatement - they've simply executed better on so many levels. 


     


    And a lot of the ugly Win aesthetic was set in stone by Fortune 1000 companies having too much custom software embedded in their corporate structures going back to Win 95 and certainly the Fisher/Price XP days that they're still not ready to give up because a) tech is not their primary focus and mission and b) they lack the resources to check how changes in their internal software will propagate across their whole enterprises 


     


    Further, I do believe Google's spending big on Android development.  It's a strategic bet though - MS and soon maybe Apple are the companies collecting royalties on Android devices rather than Google.  Ironic, but I kinda love it....

  • Reply 23 of 121
    pk22901pk22901 Posts: 153member


    Parlez vous BlueTooth 4.0 Monsieur?

  • Reply 24 of 121
    pk22901pk22901 Posts: 153member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post




    You'd hold a 7", 3:2 phone to your face?



     


    Parlez vous BlueTooth 4.0 Monsieur?




     




     

  • Reply 25 of 121
    jragostajragosta Posts: 10,473member

    It affects Apple, which in turn affects the customers. I'd prefer they be as successful as possible. The fewer bad products the better.

    And what makes it so sure that it's a bad product?

    Oh, I know. You are smarter than Apple's design team. They could never figure out how to make a good 8" product, so they'll just ship a pile of crap, instead.
    I've nothing at all against NFC.

    Then why did you say "I agree. I certainly hope there's no dedicated "NFC hardware" in Apple's digital wallet implementation." in the NFC thread?
    Where he said "VoIP".

    So? What makes you think that VOIP won't work through a bluetooth headset?
    I'll eat some Humboldt pie once the first quarter's sales and reviews thereafter come in. Maybe.

    That's humble pie - and, yes, you will.
  • Reply 26 of 121
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

    And what makes it so sure that it's a bad product? Oh, I know. You are smarter than Apple's design team. They could never figure out how to make a good 8" product, so they'll just ship a pile of crap, instead.


     


    Yep. That's certainly not the opposite of my position and not something I've talked about before.


     




    Then why did you say it was garbage in the NFC thread and insist that BT was the only good solution?



     


    … Bluetooth for NFC. NFC isn't hardware, it's a set of standards. I see Bluetooth (over specialized hardware) being a better solution to push out a type of NFC chosen by Apple.


     



    So? What makes you think that VOIP won't work through a bluetooth headset?


     


    Nothing. I never said anything about that.






    That's humble pie - and, yes, you will.



     


    I know what it is; I'm making fun of the idea that I would ever be. I won't. Simple.

  • Reply 27 of 121
    joelsaltjoelsalt Posts: 827member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    I'll eat some Humboldt pie once the first quarter's sales and reviews thereafter come in. Maybe.



    Hey that's in my neck of the woods!


     


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  • Reply 28 of 121
    allenbfallenbf Posts: 993member


    I've cut slices so thin, I couldn't even see them!


     


     


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  • Reply 29 of 121


    I agree with Tallest Skil when he says there are far more leaks about forthcoming Apple products than there were under Steve Jobs. Clearly it's something that Tim Cook is not so worried about, but he was not at Apple when Microsoft stole its ideas and Apple nearly collapsed. The best way of finding who leaks what to whom is to put out some to select individuals in your company, a different and unreal piece of information to each one, and then see which ones get into the press. You sack the people who leak, and keep the ones who don't. Unless you believe it's all hype for the product...

  • Reply 30 of 121
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member

    It affects Apple, which in turn affects the customers. I'd prefer they be as successful as possible. The fewer bad products the better.
    The problem is your saying it will be a bad product doesn't make it so. Success comes from offering your customers the hardware that they want, as such I believe there is a bigger demand for 7" devices than you might want to admit too. Of course demand doesn't mean that Apple will produce a "good" product, that is a function of design and components contained.
    I've nothing at all against NFC.

    Where he said "VoIP".
    considering how large cell phones have been in the past I don't see that as impossible. Certainly people would look funny with a 7" iPad held to their heads. How ever this is a new age we have other choices like ear buds, and Bluetooth devices.
    I'll eat some Humboldt pie once the first quarter's sales and reviews thereafter come in. Maybe.

    It would be better to get over yourself now. Seriously why is it that you have nothing to say about iPod classic or other slower sellers in Apples catalog? Products have a niche to fill and iPad Mini is simply a device to fill a niche. I believe that it will sell rather well, maybe it won't compared to the current iPad but I honestly see it selling just as well or better. Even at half the sales of the iPad per quarter it would still be a roaring success.

    Frankly your nonsense here makes about as much sense as raging on the 11" air because you prefer the 13" or whatever. If you prefer one machine, fine that is your choice but don't knock another device just because it isn't for you. Other wise you look a bit more than silly here.
  • Reply 31 of 121
    ahmlcoahmlco Posts: 432member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    When I hear of even a single purpose for the device that isn't better served as a proper-sized tablet or on a pocketable screen, I'll think about doing that.



     


    By that logic, they never should have offered an iPod mini, nano, or shuffle in place of the iPod . Or an Air, or 13" MBP in place of the 15" MBP. All sacrificed usability and functionality upon the alter of size and portability. But. For some people -- probably not you -- the increase in portability and the decrease in size and weight made one of those devices a better choice for them.


     


    Plenty of other people have stated that they'd like one. And the 7" form factor is really the only competition that Apple has in the Android/Kindle arena.


     


    And as has been pointed out time and again, Apple would rather cannibalize it's own product line than let someone else do it for them.


     


    It's coming, and it may not sell as well the full size iPad. Or they may sell more. Regardless, those are APPLE sales, and not Android/Windows sales.

  • Reply 32 of 121
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    paxman wrote: »
    You are beginning to sound like 'the iPad is just a toy / big iPod' brigade from post iPad launch. Embrace it, even if it's not for you.

    I don't think it is so much an issue of embracing it, it is realizing that if it isn't for you that doesn't make it a bad product. For many the 7" device will be an ideal product. At the moment I doubt I would buy one for my personal needs but I'd jump at the chance to get one for use at work. Different needs require different devices as such a 7" iPad would be very useful for those with a heavy work schedule and those constantly on the move. The current iPad is just too big for use 8-12 hours a day on a plant floor.
  • Reply 33 of 121
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

    Seriously why is it that you have nothing to say about iPod classic or other slower sellers in Apples catalog? 


     


    I've been saying that this is the year of discontinuation for three years. It's obviously not selling as slowly as I'm thinking it is, and not even as slowly as the 17" MacBook Pro. I still think they'll do it once a 128GB iPod touch exists, if the iPod touch keeps existing, that is.


     




    Products have a niche to fill and iPad Mini is simply a device to fill a niche. 



     


    But Apple hasn't historically been a niche company. They'll build a dart big enough to hit 70% of the dartboard, chuck it, and let it stick where it is. It either falls off or stays up and everyone else's smaller darts fill in the rest. Apple doesn't make a dumb phone, they don't make an el cheapo tower in fifty configurations, they don't make a 24" iMac in between the 21.5" and 27", they don't make a 32" iMac for those crazy peeps, they don't make a twice-the-height Mac Mini with a swappable half-length PCIe slot… 



    That's why I don't see the iPad mini being a good product and why I initially didn't believe they'd ever do it (they wouldn't have ever done it under Steve). When Steve said the iPad was an "in-between" product, he wasn't claiming that Apple was going to fill all the perceived "cracks" in a lineup of products. The iPad isn't a laptop without a keyboard, it's a tablet. And it's not a big iPhone, it's a tablet. It's a whole new thing and operates in an entirely new way. The iMac isn't a crack-filler between the Mac Mini and Mac Pro, for example. And the MacBook wasn't a crack-filler between the Macbook Air and MacBook Pro. Each… what am I trying to say here… it's not that socialist saying; that's completely wrong… Each product fills a matrix; none is a stopgap. An iPad mini is a stopgap.


     


    And it has nothing at all to do with my needs or what works for me. A Mac Mini wouldn't work for me in any situation for any of my needs. It's not a bad product, and that's stated both subjectively (me) and objectively (sales, reviews, and continued sale). It has purpose, it serves said purpose, and it does it successfully, as per the sum total of what the community believes.

  • Reply 34 of 121


    Whether the rumors are true or not, Apple needs to push its manufacturing capabilities far beyond what rivals can deliver.  Even a six month lead will leave the rivals grabbing for crumbs.  As long as Apple can sell every device, it doesn't matter what the competitors do.  It will be very costly for competitors to try to keep up because they'd also have to purchase the best equipment which will be too expensive for them to do in any quantity.  As Apple acquires more money, they should turn any extra back to R&D and invest in the latest manufacturing equipment and facilities.  Even if a rival has a hit product, they're not going to be able to deliver it to consumers as well as Apple can and it will end up as just another product lost in the shuffle.


     


    At one point I thought that Apple would be able to share components among several product, but I wonder if that is even possible.  I thought the iPhone and iPod Touch might share a lot of internal components, but it seems that isn't true, because the iPod Touch has been left to stagnate as Apple puts everything into the iPhone because that's the main money-maker.  I want to see Apple continue to build upon its economies of scale so that it can produce the best products for the lowest price and highest margins.  More Apple retail stores will also help move products and improve customer service. I honestly don't see how companies like Amazon and Google can compete against Apple when it comes to hardware.  It always seems to silly to hear the pundits claim that Apple is under threat from smaller companies that are barely making any profits and only selling a few devices.  Aside from Samsung, it doesn't appear that Apple has any rivals worth worrying about.  Microsoft may have plenty of money to throw around, but so far that hasn't helped it sell mobile products.


     


    One thing I'd like to see Apple make strides in and that's battery technology.  Why can't Apple get the best battery technology available in put it in its products.  Although maybe there's a risk involved with new technology that Apple isn't willing to take the risks if something goes wrong.

  • Reply 35 of 121
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    This certainly goes along with what I've been saying about the weight being a keynote concern for making a smaller Apple tablet a viable product.
  • Reply 36 of 121
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post


     


    When I hear of even a single purpose for the device that isn't better served as a proper-sized tablet or on a pocketable screen, I'll think about doing that.



     


    I've said this to you before so probably you just don't buy it, but ... for those of us that type a lot on our iPads, but don't use external keyboards (not a small group actually), the iPad mini would have a much improved (thumb) typing experience.  


     


    My bet is that the iPad mini will mostly be marketed as a lighter more portable version of the regular iPad.  That's the sales point.  


     


    Again, for those of us that actually use them day in and day out to get real work done, we will benefit from the lighter, and thinner format.  These two aspects of the design alone are more than enough to sell the iPad mini.  When you add in the fact that it's the perfect "kids iPad" and that it will also be (presumably) a lot cheaper, it will undoubtedly be a bigger seller than the original.  


     


    I expect sales to take off like a rocket once it's released.  

  • Reply 37 of 121
    solipsismxsolipsismx Posts: 19,566member
    When I hear of even a single purpose for the device that isn't better served as a proper-sized tablet or on a pocketable screen, I'll think about doing that.

    Increased portability and lower price point are valid enough reasons. You'll be hard pressed to find apps are better on an 11" MBA than on a 15" MBP or larger Mac/Display but I'm sure you know the 11" MBA has a solid market because of its portability, and on a less note because of it's low entry price for a Mac notebook.

    As an aside, I've come across plenty of privately owned companies that have expressed desire to use iPads over other tablets for various jobs but have decided to go with other options because of the $499 entry price for the current iPad even though app development and usability is considerably cheaper and better.
  • Reply 38 of 121
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post

    …the iPad mini would have a much improved (thumb) typing experience.  


     


    Do you mean that you type a lot on the iPad in portrait mode?


     



    My bet is that the iPad mini will mostly be marketed as a lighter more portable version of the regular iPad.  That's the sales point.



     


    Okay. But that's what the iPad is doing to itself naturally. They'll make it ever thinner and the weight ever less. Messing with the screen size (and some say ratio!) doesn't make it that, as it ceases being a regular iPad.


     



    Again, for those of us that actually use them day in and day out to get real work done, we will benefit from the lighter, and thinner format.



     


    You'll benefit from a screen half the size to get… work done? People always complain about how iWork on the iPhone is for touchups… If you've ONLY an iPhone prior, I can see how it would be an improvement, but then the actual iPad exists (and has for years) and it is already a massive improvement for that purpose. 

  • Reply 39 of 121


    Well, the iPad mini works for me atleast. image


     


    Firstly, it might be quite cheap compared to what Apple offers currently. (hey, I cannot afford the current iPad)


    Secondly, its going to serve a lot of purposes being lighter, and atleast a tad more portable than the current iPad.


     


    When Apple brings the iPad mini out, the world would piss like a dog and millions of people would be buying it.

  • Reply 40 of 121
    berpberp Posts: 136member
    When I hear of even a single purpose for the device that isn't better served as a proper-sized tablet or on a pocketable screen, I'll think about doing that.
    Beauty of purpose is in the eyes of the beholder.

    A son handling with ease a 'luminous' rectangle the size of his dad's slightly overblown frontal cortex... A grandma gathering with one trembling hand the embezzling pictures of her granddaughter while holding her steady and securely on her lap...

    ...a beloved moderator who, post a fit of rage, gets to watch the turmoil...in a wee smaller format...
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