I'm sorry; this is all ridiculous noise. I love the Apple products that I own but you all should be ashamed of the amount of time and energy you've wasting discussing this.
For a sample size of five, there is absolutely no credible pattern. Whatsoever. And to any reasonable consumer or potential customer, there will be no change in incentive or marketing power between calling it the iPhone 5, the iPhone 6, or the new iPhone. Please — there is a lot of nice discussion about the announcement that is probably being completely drowned out because of this silliness.
Step back. Take a breath. Grab a cookie. Move on.
I would have say that the discussion we have here regarding what the "proper" name should be is most likely only a small fraction of the effort that Apple themselves put into the decision making process and they undoubtedly visited some of the same lines of reasoning mentioned here. Fortunately, they arrived at the correct decision and named it iPhone 5 (or so we are lead to believe).
Now you're just taking the mickey out. You can't be serious about what you're saying here.
Clearly not. Just pointing out the absurdity of naming it The New iPhone. Now of course you could say that they did that with the iPad but they also suffixed it with "with LTE" and nowhere on the outer packing does it say The New iPad. Also the iPad market differs from the iPhone market in that Apple has a substantial market share advantage where as the phone market they do not. In the phone market they need to keep the incremental releases much more prominent hence the expected 5 badging as that is what both the consumers and ALL the tech pundits have been identifying the new release as.
The decision to name the 6th device running iOS 6 on an A6 processor "5" was correct?
Indeed it was because if you asked the average iPhone user they would not know how many iPhones proceed theirs, what number of OS was installed or what processor was in it. 5 makes sense to them and 6 does not because all they know is that they currently have an iPhone 4.
Then I'll simply inform you that the new iPhone (iPhone) becomes advertised iPhone (iPhone) when the new iPhone (iPhone model from next year) is released. Apple has very handy charts on their website (always have) to show differences between models for those so inclined as to not be buying what is most obviously the newest model.
Just pointing out the absurdity of naming it The New iPhone.
The lack thereof, you mean.
In the phone market they need to keep the incremental releases much more prominent hence the expected 5 badging as that is what both the consumers and ALL the tech pundits have been identifying the new release as.
Who cares? Both the consumers and "all" the tech pundits identified the 2nd gen as "iPhone 2". Also, "much more prominent" = "iPhone" and "new iPhone". No numbers or "S" to memorize. It's the simplest possible thing imaginable. Either new or not. If people can't understand that, they'll never understand model numbers.
Then I'll simply inform you that the new iPhone (iPhone) becomes advertised iPhone (iPhone) when the new iPhone (iPhone model from next year) is released. Apple has very handy charts on their website (always have) to show differences between models for those so inclined as to not be buying what is most obviously the newest model.
The lack thereof, you mean.
Who cares? Both the consumers and "all" the tech pundits identified the 2nd gen as "iPhone 2". Also, "much more prominent" = "iPhone" and "new iPhone". No numbers or "S" to memorize. It's the simplest possible thing imaginable. Either new or not. If people can't understand that, they'll never understand model numbers.
Clearly you have very little experience in marketing.
Clearly you have very little experience in marketing.
I guess next year's iPad is "iPad 3" because if they still sell "iPad 2", people will know it's better. iPad 2 cheapest, iPad more expensive, iPad 3 most expensive. That's not confusing at all.
I guess next year's iPad is "iPad 3" because if they still sell "iPad 2", people will know it's better. iPad 2 cheapest, iPad more expensive, iPad 3 most expensive. That's not confusing at all.
No comment. I'm off to a previous obligation, have fun!
I think your mistake is that you are using logic of numbers instead of logic of marketing.
The original iPhone - (introduction)
iPhone 3G - (has 3G naturally)
iPhone 3GS - (looks identical to the 3G just a spec bump)
iPhone 4 - (brand new design nothing trendy to name it after as so just call it 4)
iPhone 4S - (looks exactly like iPhone 4 but with a spec bump)
iPhone 5 - (brand new design but nothing particularly name worthy happening except LTE however that is problematic in Australia and UK so play it safe)
iPhone 5S - ( looks identical with a spec boost)
iPhone 6 - (brand new design etc, etc)
Thats the way i understand Apple naming logic too. If the number change, its going to be +1 regardless of what generation it is. There is no relation between the phone generation and the naming convention.
If the number change, its going to be +1 regardless of what generation it is.
iPhone. iPhone 3G.
The problem with arguing by generation is that it is hard to define a unique meaning of generation. Model interation, shape, connectivity? The only definitive "5" that I can see about the next iPhone is that it will be the 5th processor which is what Apple's internal (x,y) numbering appears to have been based on, but that clearly hasn't been the scheme for any previous iPhone.
The only definitive "5" that I can see about the next iPhone is that it will be the 5th processor which is what Apple's internal (x,y) numbering appears to have been based on, but that clearly hasn't been the scheme for any previous iPhone.
Yep! Exactly. That's definitely the only thing "5" about it.
Generation, thus far, has been defined as "the iPhone we're releasing this year, plus the ones we've released each year previously". That's why the iPhone 4, despite being iPhone3,1 internally, was the "iPhone 4".
I could care less if it is iPhone 5 or 6 but I don't like the strategy they used with the iPad this year. I think it needs something to identify it. The MacBook and iPods don't need an identifier because Apple discontinues the previous generation when a new generstion is released. Not so with iPhone or iPad. The previous generations live on at discounted prices. Hence some modifier is neccessary.
I think they left the naming of the new iPad very uncertain and the press seemed unsure of what to call it for a day or two. It didn't hurt sells but it seemed a bit awkward.
I think they left the naming of the new iPad very uncertain…
Next year when the 4th one is released, it'll be the new iPad. Called iPad. The 3rd iPad should be discounted as the iPad. Available on the Apple Store as the new iPad and iPad. 4th and 3rd, respectively. And then the year after, the same. 5th and 4th, respectively.
Next year when the 4th one is released, it'll be the new iPad. Called iPad. The 3rd iPad should be discounted as the iPad. Available on the Apple Store as the new iPad and iPad. 4th and 3rd, respectively. And then the year after, the same. 5th and 4th, respectively.
When they get to that point, I think it's more likely that they'd use the dates - just as is usually done to differentiate MBA, MBP, iMac, and Mac Pro versions. That is, "iMac late 2011".
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Originally Posted by heimdall
I'm sorry; this is all ridiculous noise. I love the Apple products that I own but you all should be ashamed of the amount of time and energy you've wasting discussing this.
For a sample size of five, there is absolutely no credible pattern. Whatsoever. And to any reasonable consumer or potential customer, there will be no change in incentive or marketing power between calling it the iPhone 5, the iPhone 6, or the new iPhone. Please — there is a lot of nice discussion about the announcement that is probably being completely drowned out because of this silliness.
Step back. Take a breath. Grab a cookie. Move on.
I would have say that the discussion we have here regarding what the "proper" name should be is most likely only a small fraction of the effort that Apple themselves put into the decision making process and they undoubtedly visited some of the same lines of reasoning mentioned here. Fortunately, they arrived at the correct decision and named it iPhone 5 (or so we are lead to believe).
Originally Posted by mstone
Fortunately, they arrived at the correct decision and named it iPhone 5 (or so we are lead to believe).
The decision to name the 6th device running iOS 6 on an A6 processor "5" was correct?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Now you're just taking the mickey out. You can't be serious about what you're saying here.
Clearly not. Just pointing out the absurdity of naming it The New iPhone. Now of course you could say that they did that with the iPad but they also suffixed it with "with LTE" and nowhere on the outer packing does it say The New iPad. Also the iPad market differs from the iPhone market in that Apple has a substantial market share advantage where as the phone market they do not. In the phone market they need to keep the incremental releases much more prominent hence the expected 5 badging as that is what both the consumers and ALL the tech pundits have been identifying the new release as.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
The decision to name the 6th device running iOS 6 on an A6 processor "5" was correct?
Indeed it was because if you asked the average iPhone user they would not know how many iPhones proceed theirs, what number of OS was installed or what processor was in it. 5 makes sense to them and 6 does not because all they know is that they currently have an iPhone 4.
Originally Posted by mstone
Clearly not.
Then I'll simply inform you that the new iPhone (iPhone) becomes advertised iPhone (iPhone) when the new iPhone (iPhone model from next year) is released. Apple has very handy charts on their website (always have) to show differences between models for those so inclined as to not be buying what is most obviously the newest model.
Just pointing out the absurdity of naming it The New iPhone.
The lack thereof, you mean.
In the phone market they need to keep the incremental releases much more prominent hence the expected 5 badging as that is what both the consumers and ALL the tech pundits have been identifying the new release as.
Who cares? Both the consumers and "all" the tech pundits identified the 2nd gen as "iPhone 2". Also, "much more prominent" = "iPhone" and "new iPhone". No numbers or "S" to memorize. It's the simplest possible thing imaginable. Either new or not. If people can't understand that, they'll never understand model numbers.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Then I'll simply inform you that the new iPhone (iPhone) becomes advertised iPhone (iPhone) when the new iPhone (iPhone model from next year) is released. Apple has very handy charts on their website (always have) to show differences between models for those so inclined as to not be buying what is most obviously the newest model.
The lack thereof, you mean.
Who cares? Both the consumers and "all" the tech pundits identified the 2nd gen as "iPhone 2". Also, "much more prominent" = "iPhone" and "new iPhone". No numbers or "S" to memorize. It's the simplest possible thing imaginable. Either new or not. If people can't understand that, they'll never understand model numbers.
Clearly you have very little experience in marketing.
Originally Posted by mstone
Clearly you have very little experience in marketing.
I guess next year's iPad is "iPad 3" because if they still sell "iPad 2", people will know it's better. iPad 2 cheapest, iPad more expensive, iPad 3 most expensive. That's not confusing at all.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I guess next year's iPad is "iPad 3" because if they still sell "iPad 2", people will know it's better. iPad 2 cheapest, iPad more expensive, iPad 3 most expensive. That's not confusing at all.
No comment. I'm off to a previous obligation, have fun!
Thats the way i understand Apple naming logic too. If the number change, its going to be +1 regardless of what generation it is. There is no relation between the phone generation and the naming convention.
Originally Posted by herbapou
If the number change, its going to be +1 regardless of what generation it is.
iPhone. iPhone 3G.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Originally Posted by herbapou
If the number change, its going to be +1 regardless of what generation it is.
iPhone. iPhone 3G.
The problem with arguing by generation is that it is hard to define a unique meaning of generation. Model interation, shape, connectivity? The only definitive "5" that I can see about the next iPhone is that it will be the 5th processor which is what Apple's internal (x,y) numbering appears to have been based on, but that clearly hasn't been the scheme for any previous iPhone.
Originally Posted by muppetry
The only definitive "5" that I can see about the next iPhone is that it will be the 5th processor which is what Apple's internal (x,y) numbering appears to have been based on, but that clearly hasn't been the scheme for any previous iPhone.
Yep! Exactly. That's definitely the only thing "5" about it.
Generation, thus far, has been defined as "the iPhone we're releasing this year, plus the ones we've released each year previously". That's why the iPhone 4, despite being iPhone3,1 internally, was the "iPhone 4".
Yep but the 3 was for 3g. Unless we see another wireless tech with numbers in it, it wont happen again.
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Originally Posted by herbapou
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
iPhone. iPhone 3G.
Yep but the 3 was for 3g. Unless we see another wireless tech with numbers in it, it wont happen again.
We did: 4G, but that number is off the menu.
I think they left the naming of the new iPad very uncertain and the press seemed unsure of what to call it for a day or two. It didn't hurt sells but it seemed a bit awkward.
Technically, it would be the 0th generation, but, to be fair, he did challenge us that there was no way we could twist it.
Originally Posted by rednival
I think they left the naming of the new iPad very uncertain…
Next year when the 4th one is released, it'll be the new iPad. Called iPad. The 3rd iPad should be discounted as the iPad. Available on the Apple Store as the new iPad and iPad. 4th and 3rd, respectively. And then the year after, the same. 5th and 4th, respectively.
Why? We haven't heard anyone at Apple call it the iPhone 5.
The 5 could be about something else.
When they get to that point, I think it's more likely that they'd use the dates - just as is usually done to differentiate MBA, MBP, iMac, and Mac Pro versions. That is, "iMac late 2011".