Using the phrase "Apple fanboys" here is like walking into a gay bar and calling the other patrons "fags". It's hate speech that doesn't add anything to the discussion, and is the sign of a demented mind venting over its own frustrations in life.
That you pretend these "Apple fanboys" are "extremists", acting like they are some sort of Taliban, and pretending there's some sort of moral equivalency there, tells me you've got some issues yourself.
Here's the bottom line. Apple makes great products. Some of us like that. Some people apparently are bothered by it. Some of us expect that when Apple isn't 100% perfect, they know it and intend to fix the problems as soon as they can, even when the extent of them are overblown. Some people like to label the appreciation of general excellence in this case a "cult", while they hypocritically "worship at other alters," usually because they have some sort of irrational dislike of Apple or have got the idea in their heads that anything with the label "open" attached to it has to be the best.
Some of us are tired of listening to the tirades of trolls, shills, astroturfers and haters. So, stop pretending that anyone who defends Apple is the Taliban, and stop using language that makes that equivalence. Some of us just happen to think they have the best products, threaten our privacy less than the alternatives, and would like to see them succeed as long as they maintain their commitment to general excellence.
From this very thread:
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"Somebody should virtually beat the living shit out of these psychopaths, in my humble opinion."
...
"From now on, I will not engage Fandroids and obvious Apple haters in any rational discussion, I will aggressively attack, while destroying and eliminating them. They're like cockroaches, and nobody wants a cockroach infestation. What do you do with cockroaches? You kill them and get rid of them."
As a new member I find this quite appalling that this sort of conduct is not subject of moderation.
I wouldn't even call someone making such statements an "Apple fanboy", just out of touch with reality.
Oh well, enough attention given - time to find the ignore functionality in this board.
I don't really appreciate you making it appear that I wrote the bit in your second quote, intentional or not.
There are certainly troubled people on both sides. (I would argue that anyone coming here to bash Apple on their own time, not getting paid for it, is troubled. If you're getting paid, well ...)
It's a coordinated PR campaign by Google -- fraudulent ads using its "hatchet man" subsidiary Motorola, astroturfing, media shepherding -- and picked up on by Apple haters as a club to bash with. This happens with one issue on every iPhone release. It should be no surprise that Google picked Maps this time since that's the biggest threat to them.
Funny thing is that those on the Apple side are the ones labeled as sheep, cult followers, kool-aid drinkers... Seems to me there is a tirade of cronies populating all the forums with this "Give me back my Google" and all that, when it's there for them, along with MANY other options if they so choose. AND by using the web-app they have the freedom from apple that they ask for since it's not an Apple controlled app.
Funny thing is that those on the Apple side are the ones labeled as sheep, cult followers, kool-aid drinkers... Seems to me there is a tirade of cronies populating all the forums with this "Give me back my Google" and all that, when it's there for them, along with MANY other options if they so choose. AND by using the web-app they have the freedom from apple that they ask for since it's not an Apple controlled app.
You'd think so, but apparently, some people get their jollies out of complaining even when there's nothing really to complain about.
There are certainly troubled people on both sides. (I would argue that anyone coming here to bash Apple on their own time, not getting paid for it, is troubled. If you're getting paid, well ...)
I believe that it's a personality disorder. You can understand someone going to a site to talk about a product that they use and like and maybe to pick up some rumors about the next versions. But to go to a site about a product you hate and insist that you'd never use just to berate the people who use that product strikes me as very closely related to narcissistic personality disorder.
I'm not going to check it, but the poster before me said that the first one he tried came up even though that author said it didn't. Also, we don't know how he selected those cities. For all we know, he might have intentionally searched for cities that weren't on Apple's maps. Furthermore, without a comparison to Google's Maps, it's a useless piece of data. So, once again, where is the evidence that Apple's maps is significantly worse than Google's?
So Jeff what are you saying. Tim Cook wants the Apple iphone users to be the beta testers for this not ready for prime time mapping program?
If that is the case they should have included it as a bonus program as part of OS6 and still given users full access to Google maps.
As an Apple stock holder his apology means nothing. Its offering me a drink with an empty glass.
If he truly wants people to move forward he needs to bring back the Google App period end of story.
Wrong, he needs to sever the relationship with Google who was giving iOS users a subpar experience, if you want the best Google maps experience go buy an Android handset.
Maybe Tim Cook should have been less apologetic and more forthright in getting this message across.
Cut Google off from the source of their business e.g. user data.
Apple has to break that link at sometime, that time is now.
So where's the statistical evidence that Apple Maps has more errors than Google Maps? Where's the evidence that Streetview is better than Flyover (and why did Google bother implementing their own version of Flyover if Street View was so much better)?
Google did not implement 45 degree view to counter flyover...get out from under the rock man. Google has had 45 degree view for a while now. It was actually implemented to counter Bing Map's "Bird's Eye View".
Do you understand the meaning of "not viable"? It means that it wasn't capable of working!
So, why pursue a solution that is incapable of working?
You must find an alternative (hopefully the best alternative), and that's what Apple did!
viable |?v??b?l|adjectivecapable of working successfully; feasible: the proposed investment was economically viable.• Botany(of a seed or spore) able to germinate.• Biology (of a plant, animal, or cell) capable of surviving or livingsuccessfully, esp. under particular environmental conditions.• Medicine(of a fetus or unborn child) able to live after birth.DERIVATIVESviability |?v???bil?t?|noun,viably|-bl?|adverbORIGINearly 19th cent.: from French, from vie ‘life,’ from Latin vita .
Google was a viable partner IMO. And in all reality, NONE of us on this thread should claim to know in TRUTH about the switch to iOS Maps. To me, the previous Google+Apple Maps App was better...MANY agree.
"<span style="background-color:rgb(226,225,225);color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:'lucida grande', verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:normal;">The more our customers use our Maps the better it will get"</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(226,225,225);color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:'lucida grande', verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:normal;">I don't understand. If we keep using Maps, the image on the right will gradually become the image on the left? How is that possible?</span>
You misunderstood. Tim Cook is quoted as saying, "The more our customers use our Maps the better it will get..."
Just heard a news story on the radio and I quote "Tim Cook head of Apple has admitted the new maps are rubbish and wants people to use something else".
He never should have been so apologetic, the media distills things down to 5 or 10 second soundbites that immediately capture an audience's attention.
I think Steve Jobs understood this, he deflected attacks to discussion of his personality traits, rather than opening the company to direct attacks like the above.
What then is the bigger picture task or job that we will be asking a map application to do for us, both now and in the future? Maps is an interesting application in this regard, because it is fundamentally different than a web search. When using a map application, I am desiring something relative to a location. How do I get somewhere from where I currently am? What is around me of interest? Have my friends said or done anything interesting relative to my current location? Are any establishments near me offering any special deals? What are others saying about an establishment near me? I want Dim Sum for lunch, what are the best places around me and what have others said or recommend? The list goes on.
Google was a viable partner IMO. And in all reality, NONE of us on this thread should claim to know in TRUTH about the switch to iOS Maps. To me, the previous Google+Apple Maps App was better...MANY agree.
Actually, MANY disagree also. I personally like the new maps better. At least where I live. And IMO, Google may have been a viable partner at one point, but I for one am not happy that they have been holding back features to us (according to recent reports) leaving us a step behind. It was going to be like that from here moving forward. So to me Google was no longer a viable partner.
They became direct competitors now so in essence, Apple needed to take a step back in order to take two steps forward.
But you still have access to Google Maps!! I don't understand what the issue is. Maps.google.com, add to home screen Voila!! problem solved. Same features you had in the app. Street view, satellite images, traffic...
More and more, every day I am convinced that people just like to complain.
Just like more and more I am convinced people offering up google.maps are completely disingenuous.
No, turning location off in settings will not disable Apple tracking thru maps. There is currently no option to completely disable it AFAIK. By necessity Apple will log your travels and current/past locations via Apple Maps. How else to get statistics for traffic flow, road geometry errors and the like?
How do you provide map data to a device if you don't know where it is?
I wholeheartedly disagree with Apple putting the old Maps back in iOS. Even if they let you switch between Google and Apple Maps for the duration of the contract it's a bad idea.
Just in case you don't recall I've pointed out issues with Apple Maps since the first iOS 6 beta. I've been attacked and ridiculed for month on this issue by saying this will be a problem for Apple if they don't get it worked out (mostly by MacBook Pro). Not only has David Pogue and other Apple loving tech writers spoken out about Apple Maps issues but now we have Tim Cook making note of it and apologizing.
I've been saying that Apple needed another year to build up the app properly but one thing I didn't know was the now rumoured expiration date on their contract with Google. That is being presented as June 2013. Since iOS releases have moved to an Autumn release cycle that becomes an issue for Apple. You either have to release the new Apps mid-iOS 6, renegotiate a contract you only want for 3-4 months, or jump ship and learn to swim fast. Looking at how complete Apple Maps is on launch the 3rd option is really the best of a bad set of options and I, for one, commend Cook for making this decision as it's the one I would have made based on this rumoured Google Maps contract expiration date.
That's part of the problem. Apple's keynote at WWDC of Maps didn't allow for any indication that it was still going to take time to make it great. All they had to do was say that need us to help make Apple Maps the best mapping software in the world. I think we would have supported them. I surely would have tested it more for errors and then submitted updates for months now, but there was absolutely no indication that Apple saw this as an issue. For that I can't commend Cook.
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For starter, check this one http://www.mtonic.com/applemaps/ but too bad he does not make comparison to google maps
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
Using the phrase "Apple fanboys" here is like walking into a gay bar and calling the other patrons "fags". It's hate speech that doesn't add anything to the discussion, and is the sign of a demented mind venting over its own frustrations in life.
That you pretend these "Apple fanboys" are "extremists", acting like they are some sort of Taliban, and pretending there's some sort of moral equivalency there, tells me you've got some issues yourself.
Here's the bottom line. Apple makes great products. Some of us like that. Some people apparently are bothered by it. Some of us expect that when Apple isn't 100% perfect, they know it and intend to fix the problems as soon as they can, even when the extent of them are overblown. Some people like to label the appreciation of general excellence in this case a "cult", while they hypocritically "worship at other alters," usually because they have some sort of irrational dislike of Apple or have got the idea in their heads that anything with the label "open" attached to it has to be the best.
Some of us are tired of listening to the tirades of trolls, shills, astroturfers and haters. So, stop pretending that anyone who defends Apple is the Taliban, and stop using language that makes that equivalence. Some of us just happen to think they have the best products, threaten our privacy less than the alternatives, and would like to see them succeed as long as they maintain their commitment to general excellence.
From this very thread:
Quote:
"Somebody should virtually beat the living shit out of these psychopaths, in my humble opinion."
...
"From now on, I will not engage Fandroids and obvious Apple haters in any rational discussion, I will aggressively attack, while destroying and eliminating them. They're like cockroaches, and nobody wants a cockroach infestation. What do you do with cockroaches? You kill them and get rid of them."
As a new member I find this quite appalling that this sort of conduct is not subject of moderation.
I wouldn't even call someone making such statements an "Apple fanboy", just out of touch with reality.
Oh well, enough attention given - time to find the ignore functionality in this board.
I don't really appreciate you making it appear that I wrote the bit in your second quote, intentional or not.
There are certainly troubled people on both sides. (I would argue that anyone coming here to bash Apple on their own time, not getting paid for it, is troubled. If you're getting paid, well ...)
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
It's a coordinated PR campaign by Google -- fraudulent ads using its "hatchet man" subsidiary Motorola, astroturfing, media shepherding -- and picked up on by Apple haters as a club to bash with. This happens with one issue on every iPhone release. It should be no surprise that Google picked Maps this time since that's the biggest threat to them.
Funny thing is that those on the Apple side are the ones labeled as sheep, cult followers, kool-aid drinkers... Seems to me there is a tirade of cronies populating all the forums with this "Give me back my Google" and all that, when it's there for them, along with MANY other options if they so choose. AND by using the web-app they have the freedom from apple that they ask for since it's not an Apple controlled app.
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Originally Posted by iang1234
For starter, check this one http://www.mtonic.com/applemaps/ but too bad he does not make comparison to google maps
C'mon. I tested the very first one (error code 8??) And it pulled up on my 4S on iOS 6. Figured I didn't want to waste any more time.
You'd think so, but apparently, some people get their jollies out of complaining even when there's nothing really to complain about.
I believe that it's a personality disorder. You can understand someone going to a site to talk about a product that they use and like and maybe to pick up some rumors about the next versions. But to go to a site about a product you hate and insist that you'd never use just to berate the people who use that product strikes me as very closely related to narcissistic personality disorder.
I'm not going to check it, but the poster before me said that the first one he tried came up even though that author said it didn't. Also, we don't know how he selected those cities. For all we know, he might have intentionally searched for cities that weren't on Apple's maps. Furthermore, without a comparison to Google's Maps, it's a useless piece of data. So, once again, where is the evidence that Apple's maps is significantly worse than Google's?
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Originally Posted by iSheldon
"Everything we do at Apple is aimed at making our products the best in the world"
It could be argued that this was about making the most money.
...or about making the best product, seeing as how Google maps on Android is better than on iOS.
Good riddance to Google leaching of iOS users.
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Originally Posted by Arthur123
So Jeff what are you saying. Tim Cook wants the Apple iphone users to be the beta testers for this not ready for prime time mapping program?
If that is the case they should have included it as a bonus program as part of OS6 and still given users full access to Google maps.
As an Apple stock holder his apology means nothing. Its offering me a drink with an empty glass.
If he truly wants people to move forward he needs to bring back the Google App period end of story.
Wrong, he needs to sever the relationship with Google who was giving iOS users a subpar experience, if you want the best Google maps experience go buy an Android handset.
Maybe Tim Cook should have been less apologetic and more forthright in getting this message across.
Cut Google off from the source of their business e.g. user data.
Apple has to break that link at sometime, that time is now.
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Originally Posted by zippy2shoes
On topic though, I'm a former iPhone person but now use WP and Android...
As a former iPhone person, how do you know what the new maps are like?
As a "former iPhone person", you could not possibly have used the new maps.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
I notice that your evidence is missing.
So where's the statistical evidence that Apple Maps has more errors than Google Maps? Where's the evidence that Streetview is better than Flyover (and why did Google bother implementing their own version of Flyover if Street View was so much better)?
Google did not implement 45 degree view to counter flyover...get out from under the rock man. Google has had 45 degree view for a while now. It was actually implemented to counter Bing Map's "Bird's Eye View".
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Do you understand the meaning of "not viable"? It means that it wasn't capable of working!
So, why pursue a solution that is incapable of working?
You must find an alternative (hopefully the best alternative), and that's what Apple did!
viable |?v??b?l|adjectivecapable of working successfully; feasible: the proposed investment was economically viable.• Botany (of a seed or spore) able to germinate.• Biology (of a plant, animal, or cell) capable of surviving or livingsuccessfully, esp. under particular environmental conditions.• Medicine (of a fetus or unborn child) able to live after birth.DERIVATIVESviability |?v???bil?t?|noun,viably |-bl?|adverbORIGIN early 19th cent.: from French, from vie ‘life,’ from Latin vita .
Google was a viable partner IMO. And in all reality, NONE of us on this thread should claim to know in TRUTH about the switch to iOS Maps. To me, the previous Google+Apple Maps App was better...MANY agree.
You misunderstood. Tim Cook is quoted as saying, "The more our customers use our Maps the better it will get..."
Better not worse. Better.
Just heard a news story on the radio and I quote "Tim Cook head of Apple has admitted the new maps are rubbish and wants people to use something else".
He never should have been so apologetic, the media distills things down to 5 or 10 second soundbites that immediately capture an audience's attention.
I think Steve Jobs understood this, he deflected attacks to discussion of his personality traits, rather than opening the company to direct attacks like the above.
Here's an interesting read:
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Search, Discover, Decide
What then is the bigger picture task or job that we will be asking a map application to do for us, both now and in the future? Maps is an interesting application in this regard, because it is fundamentally different than a web search. When using a map application, I am desiring something relative to a location. How do I get somewhere from where I currently am? What is around me of interest? Have my friends said or done anything interesting relative to my current location? Are any establishments near me offering any special deals? What are others saying about an establishment near me? I want Dim Sum for lunch, what are the best places around me and what have others said or recommend? The list goes on.
http://techpinions.com/the-future-of-apples-maps/10775
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Originally Posted by antkm1
Google was a viable partner IMO. And in all reality, NONE of us on this thread should claim to know in TRUTH about the switch to iOS Maps. To me, the previous Google+Apple Maps App was better...MANY agree.
Actually, MANY disagree also. I personally like the new maps better. At least where I live. And IMO, Google may have been a viable partner at one point, but I for one am not happy that they have been holding back features to us (according to recent reports) leaving us a step behind. It was going to be like that from here moving forward. So to me Google was no longer a viable partner.
They became direct competitors now so in essence, Apple needed to take a step back in order to take two steps forward.
Just like more and more I am convinced people offering up google.maps are completely disingenuous.
Y so serious?
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
No, turning location off in settings will not disable Apple tracking thru maps. There is currently no option to completely disable it AFAIK. By necessity Apple will log your travels and current/past locations via Apple Maps. How else to get statistics for traffic flow, road geometry errors and the like?
How do you provide map data to a device if you don't know where it is?
This will all be forgotten in a year - just like Antennagate.
Originally Posted by alexkhan2000
This will all be forgotten in a month - just like Antennagate.
Fixed, and yep.
Please provide a quote wherein I "ridiculed" you.