If this starts at $199, this will sell big time in the run up to Christmas. As Cook pointed out, the iPad works for all ages. Nobody is buying a Kindle for their kids.
$199 is cheap enough to gift to close family where $299 would have been a bit too pricey for a lot of people.
$199 is cheap enough to gift to close family where $299 would have been a bit too pricey for a lot of people.
Operating under the assumption that they have no supply problems, $199 would fill 99% of the 30% of shipped (not used) tablets that Apple doesn't have right now.
But I wouldn't get my hopes up for that. I still say $399 is a safe assumption. If it's cheaper, hey, there's that.
But I wouldn't get my hopes up for that. I still say $399 is a safe assumption.
You really want this to fail so much don't you? Even more than Android fans want it to fail. Just so you can say "See I told you it was a bad idea". Well guess what? You are going to be wrong several million times over by Christmas.
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But I wouldn't get my hopes up for that. I still say $399 is a safe assumption. If it's cheaper, hey, there's that.
I should have said $299, not $199 but that wouldn't fit with what I was saying about it being cheap enough for gifting.
German tax rate is 19% so 250euro/1.19 -> USD = ~$269. They might manage $249 and that would be around the same as the 8GB Nexus 7. I guess $249 isn't bad for gifting but grandma and grandpa will have to share (number 1 question asked by grandpa this Christmas - 'how do I clear the browser history?').
I should have said $299, not $199 but that wouldn't fit with what I was saying about it being cheap enough for gifting.
German tax rate is 19% so 250euro/1.19 -> USD = ~$269. They might manage $249 and that would be around the same as the 8GB Nexus 7. I guess $249 isn't bad for gifting but grandma and grandpa will have to share (number 1 question asked by grandpa this Christmas - 'how do I clear the browser history?').
FYI the 8GB Nexus7 is $199, The 32GB Nexus will probably be the closest in price to the 8GB iPad Mini, in the $250-$275 range.. Of course prices for either are yet to be confirmed.
I should have said $299, not $199 but that wouldn't fit with what I was saying about it being cheap enough for gifting.
German tax rate is 19% so 250euro/1.19 -> USD = ~$269. They might manage $249 and that would be around the same as the 8GB Nexus 7. I guess $249 isn't bad for gifting but grandma and grandpa will have to share (number 1 question asked by grandpa this Christmas - 'how do I clear the browser history?').
Huh? The 16GB Nexus 7 is being sold for $249. Someone also mentioned here that they were discontinuing that model for 32GB at $260. I think 16GB at $249-$299 would work. 8GB at that price would really require Steve's reality distortion field.
Why would a retailer intentionally trash their database with meaningless allocated item numbers on pure speculation?
So they won't be caught off guard. Often those systems are updated on a regular schedule and that is the only time new records are added. So they place holder rumors so they will be ready when it is truth. If it is ever truth
I should have said $299, not $199 but that wouldn't fit with what I was saying about it being cheap enough for gifting.
German tax rate is 19% so 250euro/1.19 -> USD = ~$269. They might manage $249 and that would be around the same as the 8GB Nexus 7. I guess $249 isn't bad for gifting but grandma and grandpa will have to share (number 1 question asked by grandpa this Christmas - 'how do I clear the browser history?').
8GB is tight but viable for folks that don't have large apps. Of course Apple is hitting a low entry price point and expecting an upsell to the 16GB model.
If you assume US prices start at $250 and end at $650 (i.e. 1 for 1 with the Euro) then the iPad Mini (alas and not the iPad Air) comes in $50-$80 cheaper than the equivalent iPad 2.
The 16GB 3G or LTE iPad mini is a nice deal at $450 but I'll probably swing for the 32GB at $550. Movies aren't the problem...I have netflix and wi drive. It's the 1GB+ games but if you don't game it's not such a big deal.
Actually I would have disagree with this assessment. If you have looked at your children's textbooks you might be able to understand that they would contain many gigs worth of data even in their static representation. Add the interactivity and video available through iBooks Author and you won't even fit one equivalent textbook in 8GB. One of two things need to happen in my evaluation. One: the textbooks need to be delivered via a web browser, or two the size of the onboard storage needs to increase dramatically.
Of course there is the alternative that we discontinue all public education and parents can opt to send their children to charter schools and pay for the high capacity iPad themselves.
I think the 8GB rumored iPad mini is for people who don't have a lot of media needs and also have a small budget.In addition the smaller screen is not as useful for education as the full size iPad in my opinion.
I'd have to agree, but perhaps for different reasons. I see the future use of the iPad in schools to allow individualization of materials and content, and support for numerous education apps. In order to allow for individualization, online assessment and access to materials based on the assessment will be important. Apps which allow content to be pushed by the teacher, and live monitoring of student progress will also take iPad resources. For our little folk, the size and weight and cost will be very important, as will some degree of future proofing. Schools and parents will not be purchasing new iPads even every 2 years and it will be expected that the kids use their iPads over multiple years.
The least expensive iPad minis will be for seniors and as a competitor to the Kindle, Samsung, and Barnes&Noble devices. The cheapest iPad minis will allow schools to dabble in the new technology, but it would not be expected to be adequate longer term.
At this point, the iPad environment is not available to build and support what is required for a fully integrated learning environment. No LMS (Learning Management System), no assessment tools, no individualized push technologies, and no content that would cover the educational standards, and no pedagogy and training to integrate the iPad into the curriculum. The future is promising but many years into the feature.
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Originally Posted by paxman
But discontinuation requires a refresh of some kind to make it official, non? And an iPad refresh happens only once per year.
No. They killed off the 4GB iPhone at the iPod touch introduction without changing the 8GB iPhone. Refresh nuttin'.
$199 is cheap enough to gift to close family where $299 would have been a bit too pricey for a lot of people.
Originally Posted by Marvin
$199 is cheap enough to gift to close family where $299 would have been a bit too pricey for a lot of people.
Operating under the assumption that they have no supply problems, $199 would fill 99% of the 30% of shipped (not used) tablets that Apple doesn't have right now.
But I wouldn't get my hopes up for that. I still say $399 is a safe assumption. If it's cheaper, hey, there's that.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
But I wouldn't get my hopes up for that. I still say $399 is a safe assumption.
You really want this to fail so much don't you? Even more than Android fans want it to fail. Just so you can say "See I told you it was a bad idea". Well guess what? You are going to be wrong several million times over by Christmas.
Originally Posted by mstone
You really want this to fail so much don't you?
I'd rather Apple not fail. I just think it's safe to assume the far end of things with Apple products, always have.
…wrong several million times over by Christmas.
I still don't see how sales = good product. Yes, it can sell well. Doesn't mean it's the best thing that could be in its position.
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I should have said $299, not $199 but that wouldn't fit with what I was saying about it being cheap enough for gifting.
German tax rate is 19% so 250euro/1.19 -> USD = ~$269. They might manage $249 and that would be around the same as the 8GB Nexus 7. I guess $249 isn't bad for gifting but grandma and grandpa will have to share (number 1 question asked by grandpa this Christmas - 'how do I clear the browser history?').
It's just a piece of paper with some writing on it. That, combined with an 8GB device seeming highly unlikely, causes me to dismiss this right now.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
I should have said $299, not $199 but that wouldn't fit with what I was saying about it being cheap enough for gifting.
German tax rate is 19% so 250euro/1.19 -> USD = ~$269. They might manage $249 and that would be around the same as the 8GB Nexus 7. I guess $249 isn't bad for gifting but grandma and grandpa will have to share (number 1 question asked by grandpa this Christmas - 'how do I clear the browser history?').
FYI the 8GB Nexus7 is $199, The 32GB Nexus will probably be the closest in price to the 8GB iPad Mini, in the $250-$275 range.. Of course prices for either are yet to be confirmed.
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_7_8GB?id=nexus_7_8gb&hl=en
Huh? The 16GB Nexus 7 is being sold for $249. Someone also mentioned here that they were discontinuing that model for 32GB at $260. I think 16GB at $249-$299 would work. 8GB at that price would really require Steve's reality distortion field.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Why would a retailer intentionally trash their database with meaningless allocated item numbers on pure speculation?
I've populated databases with 100's and 1000's of fake records for the purpose of testing and then executed automated tests. Standard procedure.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Speaking of which, they'll all need to be redone for this new size.
No, they won't. 1024x768 points is the size we code to.
So they won't be caught off guard. Often those systems are updated on a regular schedule and that is the only time new records are added. So they place holder rumors so they will be ready when it is truth. If it is ever truth
Originally Posted by nht
No, they won't. 1024x768 points is the size we code to.
That's not a size. 9.8" is a size. 7.85" is a size.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
I should have said $299, not $199 but that wouldn't fit with what I was saying about it being cheap enough for gifting.
German tax rate is 19% so 250euro/1.19 -> USD = ~$269. They might manage $249 and that would be around the same as the 8GB Nexus 7. I guess $249 isn't bad for gifting but grandma and grandpa will have to share (number 1 question asked by grandpa this Christmas - 'how do I clear the browser history?').
8GB is tight but viable for folks that don't have large apps. Of course Apple is hitting a low entry price point and expecting an upsell to the 16GB model.
If you assume US prices start at $250 and end at $650 (i.e. 1 for 1 with the Euro) then the iPad Mini (alas and not the iPad Air) comes in $50-$80 cheaper than the equivalent iPad 2.
The 16GB 3G or LTE iPad mini is a nice deal at $450 but I'll probably swing for the 32GB at $550. Movies aren't the problem...I have netflix and wi drive. It's the 1GB+ games but if you don't game it's not such a big deal.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Actually I would have disagree with this assessment. If you have looked at your children's textbooks you might be able to understand that they would contain many gigs worth of data even in their static representation. Add the interactivity and video available through iBooks Author and you won't even fit one equivalent textbook in 8GB. One of two things need to happen in my evaluation. One: the textbooks need to be delivered via a web browser, or two the size of the onboard storage needs to increase dramatically.
Of course there is the alternative that we discontinue all public education and parents can opt to send their children to charter schools and pay for the high capacity iPad themselves.
I think the 8GB rumored iPad mini is for people who don't have a lot of media needs and also have a small budget.In addition the smaller screen is not as useful for education as the full size iPad in my opinion.
I'd have to agree, but perhaps for different reasons. I see the future use of the iPad in schools to allow individualization of materials and content, and support for numerous education apps. In order to allow for individualization, online assessment and access to materials based on the assessment will be important. Apps which allow content to be pushed by the teacher, and live monitoring of student progress will also take iPad resources. For our little folk, the size and weight and cost will be very important, as will some degree of future proofing. Schools and parents will not be purchasing new iPads even every 2 years and it will be expected that the kids use their iPads over multiple years.
The least expensive iPad minis will be for seniors and as a competitor to the Kindle, Samsung, and Barnes&Noble devices. The cheapest iPad minis will allow schools to dabble in the new technology, but it would not be expected to be adequate longer term.
At this point, the iPad environment is not available to build and support what is required for a fully integrated learning environment. No LMS (Learning Management System), no assessment tools, no individualized push technologies, and no content that would cover the educational standards, and no pedagogy and training to integrate the iPad into the curriculum. The future is promising but many years into the feature.