Agreed. But, according to some here, you should just buy an external drive and quit complaining. I don't agree with that at all.
You're right. While my two grandma's have moved on to higher ground years ago, my 70+ year old mom has never asked about getting a photo album on CD so she can insert it into her iPad.
One can hope.
Look buddy, I know where you're coming from. I've been through the 80's to current to see all that tech go to dust. There's always the few purists that raise issues when something they use goes to the museum. You have options. They are just not the way you'd like it.
I'd bet money that in a couple years, all the other PC makers will no longer include optical drives in their AIO desktop machines too. What then?
I work at an Apple Specialist and the design of these things must be unbelievable. They shrunk every major component by an insane amount - power supply, fans, heat sinks... all must be positively micro to fit in a unit this size.
It's a wonder this unit doesn't melt the instant you turn it on.
I work at an Apple Specialist and the design of these things must be unbelievable. They shrunk every major component by an insane amount - power supply, fans, heat sinks... all must be positively micro to fit in a unit this size.
It's a wonder this unit doesn't melt the instant you turn it on.
Very impressive job, Apple.
So what he's saying is we should buy the applecare :P
So what he's saying is we should buy the applecare :P
It looks like the vents on the back and bottom will be much better than my oven of an iMac now with the little slit up top. I cant wait to put my hand on the back of one at the Apple store prior to ordering one. That will be the true test for me. Applecare is so cheap regardless for the iMac- considering.
Honestly- if the fusion drive is 5400... I likely won't get it. My wife does photography, so thatll be moving pictures constantly and bog down I'm sure.... 7200 1tb will be better than a flash/5400 in that case I think...
Ooops - misread you and was gonna post something mean.... Edge thin/thickness is important in the sense that from most angles it LOOKS so impossibly thin and light. But my desk face the door to my office which means that I approach my mac from 'the back', so to speak. I wonder what the very bulbous looking back will look like in real life. Will I need to re-configure my office?
Awww ... show me what meanness you had in store for me; I can take it
Seriously, it's not a matter of thinness but rather the process getting there. There are two aspects to the process: First, Apple had to develop innovative manufacturing processes. Second, it's the process of introducing impossibly thin devices ALL ACROSS their product lineups!!
Awww ... show me what meanness you had in store for me; I can take it
Seriously, it's not a matter of thinness but rather the process getting there. There are two aspects to the process: First, Apple had to develop innovative manufacturing processes. Second, it's the process of introducing impossibly thin devices ALL ACROSS their product lineups!!
Some of that is speaker grille, but I'm betting that half of them are for air intake.
It looks like they did make the whole unit thinner. I thought it was the same thickness but more rounded back. The back is slightly more rounded though.
Apple uses a NumVersion struct, 1 or 2 digit for a major version and a single digit for a minor version which could if 10.9 happens cause a change to 11.0
Some of that is speaker grille, but I'm betting that half of them are for air intake.
it is the chimney effect that works well, the reason they do not need high power fans. As you know hot air raises so as the unit heats up it draws in cool in from the bottom.
That's nice, but the total thickness doesn't appear to be noticeably thinner, measure it from the thickest point, like the way we should measure Android phones.
The back is clearly a lot more curved than the previous version. I also question the wisdom of the SD card in the back. That makes it a bit awkward to use, either turn the entire machine around or grope around for the slot. I really liked the side edge slot.
I agree on the thickness, and I think its kind of a shame that they tweaked the illustration, and then Schiller goes through the carefully elaborate turning onstage, to give the appearance that you are seeing it more "side-on" than you really are, and then to avoid showing you the bubble.
As for the card, it's no different from what I do now for thumb drives or any usb external, so, if anything, I'd have wanted one usb3 on the side...not possible now though.
While I really love this new look, the question that worries me is what will happen when you use it for a long raytracing task that uses all the four cores to the max... will the CPU temp rise to 90ºC like in recent Macbooks (water evaporates at 100ºC) and will fans rotate at max speed like if it was a laptop rather than a desktop? As I said, I love this look, but I expect my desktop to be able to accomplish long and intensive CPU tasks without being worried with the CPU temp. If it's noisy when doing hard work, I'll be afraid of pushing it too much, and it won't be very useful.
The same applies to last generation games, or even not so last generation, like "Sims 3". Will they melt the CPU?
I hope the Mac Pro isn't the only choice for people who need all cores at 100% during long periods of time.
Maybe if you have your machine sitting out for public display in your house/business and want to use it as a talking point. However, mine's tucked away in my office with loads of other technology piled around it which I need to use as part of my job.
I get the point about the aesthetics of the things around you affecting your state of mind and whatnot. I love seeing well designed products (both hardware and software).
However, given a choice, I'd much prefer having more attention to detail paid to performance than aesthetics. Because, when it comes right down to it, I get a bigger smile on my face seeing my machine crunch through code faster (so that I can get out and enjoy other parts of my life more), than I do seeing a couple more inches of my desktop all day.
Just because you need gas economy more than aerodynamics does not mean you cannot appreciate a Porsche. I accept that this might not stir your loins. But I hope, for your sake, that you are able to recognize there is more innovation here than just aesthetics.
I work at an Apple Specialist and the design of these things must be unbelievable. They shrunk every major component by an insane amount - power supply, fans, heat sinks... all must be positively micro to fit in a unit this size.
Well, not micro but there's quite a bit of work done for sure.
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Originally Posted by enjourni
It's a wonder this unit doesn't melt the instant you turn it on.
it is the chimney effect that works well, the reason they do not need high power fans. As you know hot air raises so as the unit heats up it draws in cool in from the bottom.
Sorry but that's hot air in itself. Heat does not rise fast enough on its own to keep such a tight enclosure and fast running CPU cool. The stack effect, if that's what you're thinking of, does not work well here.
Sorry but that's hot air in itself. Heat does not rise fast enough on its own to keep such a tight enclosure and fast running CPU cool. The stack effect, if that's what you're thinking of, does not work well here.
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Originally Posted by initiator
Agreed. But, according to some here, you should just buy an external drive and quit complaining. I don't agree with that at all.
You're right. While my two grandma's have moved on to higher ground years ago, my 70+ year old mom has never asked about getting a photo album on CD so she can insert it into her iPad.
One can hope.
Look buddy, I know where you're coming from. I've been through the 80's to current to see all that tech go to dust. There's always the few purists that raise issues when something they use goes to the museum. You have options. They are just not the way you'd like it.
I'd bet money that in a couple years, all the other PC makers will no longer include optical drives in their AIO desktop machines too. What then?
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Originally Posted by initiator
"So I bought this beautiful all-in-one computer only to have to make it ugly by buying an external burner?"
Yes. Very ugly.
It's a wonder this unit doesn't melt the instant you turn it on.
Very impressive job, Apple.
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Originally Posted by enjourni
I work at an Apple Specialist and the design of these things must be unbelievable. They shrunk every major component by an insane amount - power supply, fans, heat sinks... all must be positively micro to fit in a unit this size.
It's a wonder this unit doesn't melt the instant you turn it on.
Very impressive job, Apple.
So what he's saying is we should buy the applecare :P
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Originally Posted by BDBLACK
So what he's saying is we should buy the applecare :P
It looks like the vents on the back and bottom will be much better than my oven of an iMac now with the little slit up top. I cant wait to put my hand on the back of one at the Apple store prior to ordering one. That will be the true test for me.
Honestly- if the fusion drive is 5400... I likely won't get it. My wife does photography, so thatll be moving pictures constantly and bog down I'm sure.... 7200 1tb will be better than a flash/5400 in that case I think...
Hopefully the fusion is 7200 on the 27"
The answer is obvious, he should simply use silver duct tape and stick that external DVD drive on the back of the iMac!
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Originally Posted by paxman
Ooops - misread you and was gonna post something mean.... Edge thin/thickness is important in the sense that from most angles it LOOKS so impossibly thin and light. But my desk face the door to my office which means that I approach my mac from 'the back', so to speak. I wonder what the very bulbous looking back will look like in real life. Will I need to re-configure my office?
Awww ... show me what meanness you had in store for me; I can take it
Seriously, it's not a matter of thinness but rather the process getting there. There are two aspects to the process: First, Apple had to develop innovative manufacturing processes. Second, it's the process of introducing impossibly thin devices ALL ACROSS their product lineups!!
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Originally Posted by Harbinger
Awww ... show me what meanness you had in store for me; I can take it
Seriously, it's not a matter of thinness but rather the process getting there. There are two aspects to the process: First, Apple had to develop innovative manufacturing processes. Second, it's the process of introducing impossibly thin devices ALL ACROSS their product lineups!!
Yup.
Retina Display MBP 15" - 0.71" (18 mm)
iPhone 5 - 0.3" (7.6 mm)
iPod Touch - 0.24" (6.1 mm)
rMBP 13" - 0.75" (19 mm)
iPad Mini - 0.28" (7.2 mm)
All launched within 6 months!!! http://www.ankleskater.com/pagemaker.php?id=ASBG20121023165100
http://images.apple.com/imac/design/images/evolution_hero.jpg
Some of that is speaker grille, but I'm betting that half of them are for air intake.
It looks like they did make the whole unit thinner. I thought it was the same thickness but more rounded back. The back is slightly more rounded though.
http://images.apple.com/imac/design/images/evolution_2005.jpg
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Originally Posted by gyorpb
That's not how software versioning works.
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Apple uses a NumVersion struct, 1 or 2 digit for a major version and a single digit for a minor version which could if 10.9 happens cause a change to 11.0
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
It turns out there is more ventilation than the small group of slots in the back:
http://images.apple.com/imac/design/images/evolution_hero.jpg
Some of that is speaker grille, but I'm betting that half of them are for air intake.
it is the chimney effect that works well, the reason they do not need high power fans. As you know hot air raises so as the unit heats up it draws in cool in from the bottom.
I agree on the thickness, and I think its kind of a shame that they tweaked the illustration, and then Schiller goes through the carefully elaborate turning onstage, to give the appearance that you are seeing it more "side-on" than you really are, and then to avoid showing you the bubble.
As for the card, it's no different from what I do now for thumb drives or any usb external, so, if anything, I'd have wanted one usb3 on the side...not possible now though.
While I really love this new look, the question that worries me is what will happen when you use it for a long raytracing task that uses all the four cores to the max... will the CPU temp rise to 90ºC like in recent Macbooks (water evaporates at 100ºC) and will fans rotate at max speed like if it was a laptop rather than a desktop? As I said, I love this look, but I expect my desktop to be able to accomplish long and intensive CPU tasks without being worried with the CPU temp. If it's noisy when doing hard work, I'll be afraid of pushing it too much, and it won't be very useful.
The same applies to last generation games, or even not so last generation, like "Sims 3". Will they melt the CPU?
I hope the Mac Pro isn't the only choice for people who need all cores at 100% during long periods of time.
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Originally Posted by auxio
Maybe if you have your machine sitting out for public display in your house/business and want to use it as a talking point. However, mine's tucked away in my office with loads of other technology piled around it which I need to use as part of my job.
I get the point about the aesthetics of the things around you affecting your state of mind and whatnot. I love seeing well designed products (both hardware and software).
However, given a choice, I'd much prefer having more attention to detail paid to performance than aesthetics. Because, when it comes right down to it, I get a bigger smile on my face seeing my machine crunch through code faster (so that I can get out and enjoy other parts of my life more), than I do seeing a couple more inches of my desktop all day.
Just because you need gas economy more than aerodynamics does not mean you cannot appreciate a Porsche. I accept that this might not stir your loins. But I hope, for your sake, that you are able to recognize there is more innovation here than just aesthetics.
**** tweaks.
It's stunning. To house an i7 and a G680MX there had to be a bit of a bulge somewhere.
Just wow.
Still stunned by the design.
What a machine.
Whew.
Lemon Bon BOn.
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Originally Posted by enjourni
I work at an Apple Specialist and the design of these things must be unbelievable. They shrunk every major component by an insane amount - power supply, fans, heat sinks... all must be positively micro to fit in a unit this size.
Well, not micro but there's quite a bit of work done for sure.
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Originally Posted by enjourni
It's a wonder this unit doesn't melt the instant you turn it on.
Someone gets it ... or at least part of it!
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Originally Posted by Lemon Bon Bon.
**** tweaks.
It's stunning. To house an i7 and a G680MX there had to be a bit of a bulge somewhere.
Guess it's a man machine
Originally Posted by night9hawk
I'm surprised nobody has commented on the fact that neither of the new iMacs have a FireWire port on the back. RIP...
Who cares? Why would you be surprised that the port's no longer on the machines at all?
Originally Posted by initiator
So I bought this beautiful all-in-one computer only to have to make it ugly by buying an external burner?
You can just as easily NOT buy an optical drive at all.
I understand eliminating it on a laptop, but not on a desktop.
So every desktop should have every port ever created simply because it's large enough to contain them all. Got it.
Originally Posted by drblank
See, Apple does listen sometimes.
Sure they do.
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Originally Posted by Maestro64
it is the chimney effect that works well, the reason they do not need high power fans. As you know hot air raises so as the unit heats up it draws in cool in from the bottom.
Sorry but that's hot air in itself. Heat does not rise fast enough on its own to keep such a tight enclosure and fast running CPU cool. The stack effect, if that's what you're thinking of, does not work well here.
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Originally Posted by Harbinger
Sorry but that's hot air in itself. Heat does not rise fast enough on its own to keep such a tight enclosure and fast running CPU cool. The stack effect, if that's what you're thinking of, does not work well here.
Yup