I have read the short discussion which appears to be equally divided pro and con but some of the comments serve to reinforce my opinion that it is best for me to stick with Xcode. If you like Mono for iOS development I hope it doesn't come back to bite you in the ass.
So, long story short, never spell anything incorrectly or use improper grammar, otherwise yada yada yada; you get the gist.
I do honestly love how these articles that are so rooted in common sense that they needn't even be written always manage to fly WAY off topic. But we've fallen from anything at all computer related to teetering on the edge of a thinly-veiled insult laden discussion here.
This is my first post after reading apple insider for over 10 years.
Just my two cent (by the way, I use real name unlike most people here that is talking a lot of ...)
So you can check my IMDB. I do make movie sometime for fun. Yes I was really piss off with final cut x when it came out (I still using 7 but that will change soon)
And my day job is actually a software developer. So I guess I could give another 2 cents.
Xcode sucks most of the time. But nobody actually use it as an IDE. I build iOS and ipad stuff on other IDE then by the time it's ready. Compile in Xcode.
Since its a free tool. Can you really bitch about it that much? Your developer license is for distribution as well as testing (give you access to latest software) like some one else said here. The price is about two days of developer's pay. So no biggy here. Once you put the whole infrastructure to deliver and charging and what not no top. That really is peanut.
Lets go back the fiasco of final cut x. Apple has never been great at getting something right the first time. The first mac I ever use was the original macintosh. I didn't own it, my cousin did. And that was pretty much the first machine in the world that support Chinese input. Anyway. I am drifting off again. But as a very long time apple user. I could safely say they never get it right the first time. So I am waiting for the Retina MacBook Pro v.2
But once they get it right - they get it spectacularly right. iPhone came out without 3G , no multi tasking, no API. But once they figured it out - that is 10 billion dollars business for third party developers. And then the iPad one ... And the example can go on and on.
And this is happening for final cut x - lots of people bitch about they didn't have this or didn't come with that. Yes it's true but what they did give you underneath. That is something else entirely different. I am still playing with the idea of writing plugin for final cut x, it has a beautiful api sub system. Apple know their strength was never in pro application development. Why not give people a platform and let third party make a living out of it. You will see more of this soon. I think aperture is going the same direction. Lets hope the 4 come out soon.
Perhaps you will say, the other guys ... Lets take adobe. I use After effects all the time. But once you have worked with it for over a year. You know, the limit been reached. And third party plugins come in to solve the problem. After effects probably has one of the most active and diverse plugin markets. All because it has a very good api (you could just write short piece of code in Javascript to do some stuff.)
As for development. Is there anything better than a true unix core with a beautiful interface on top plus the ability to run any OS on top for testing? And to those who are windows die hard fan ... Well, I don't have much to say. But for Linux people? Did you know you master of universe has been developing the last few version of Linux kernel on - a mac? Yes he didn't run OSX. But the machine is reliable, solid and quiet piece of kit.
I could go on and on, but I don't want to bore you guys.
Lets conclude my first post - apple was never into mass market b.s. this is what stock brokers want you to believe. They are into building the best thing they could. And hopefully somehow some where someone will appreciate it. And to all those people keep comparing a Mac with a (insert the other PC brand here). Why don't you go to their forum? Deep down you want it but you just too afraid to be the only guy in the room using it. I was there for a long time, and in many way I still am. But now I am just a drop of water in the ocean.
It has been a great ride. And I am looking forward to more fantastic things from Apple.
I forgot about android. It will be incomplete if I don't include something about android.
I own three Android phones. Not because I want to. But thanks for all the manufacturers are in the interest of "making your life easier". I have to buy one V1.6 then another one V2.2 then another one V.4
I won't even going to start about the v.3 that is not suppose to be use on smartphone ...
Market share is one thing. Sounds all rosy on paper. Again this is what stock brokers want you to believe ( perhaps what I a going to say is going to make a lot of people unhappy. But I want you to be clear that , I have no good things to say about stock brokers. Especially those came straight out from uni. Have they ever done a real job? I have more respect to the cleaning lady than some stock broker. I rest my case.)
Anyway, the basic principle of software economic is - build it once and sell as many copies as possible. Can someone convince me this is the case going to happen in android market anytime soon? The great man said it just before his passing. Fragmentation is going to kill android. Google has no control over what their partners are doing behind their back. And all those Chinese knock off just going to make things worse.
And this is why Microsoft is building Surface.
p.s. l also own 3GS, 4 and 4s (was robbed earlier this year) I gave my Mom the 4 and as a 60+ Chinese lady whom English ability is about "hi" and "bye". She could share her grand children picture with me, half way around the world. that count for something, right?
Apple was never building things for the cutting edge few. So please stop whining about no i7, fusion drive is nothing new and whatnot. Go build yourself a hacintosh , it's fast and cheap! But guess what apple is doing? They are realising all those thing we saw in sci-movies. A small step at a time, but we get there without knowing it.
This is my first post after reading apple insider for over 10 years.
Just my two cent (by the way, I use real name unlike most people here that is talking a lot of ...)
So you can check my IMDB. I do make movie sometime for fun. Yes I was really piss off with final cut x when it came out (I still using 7 but that will change soon)
And my day job is actually a software developer. So I guess I could give another 2 cents.
Xcode sucks most of the time. But nobody actually use it as an IDE. I build iOS and ipad stuff on other IDE then by the time it's ready. Compile in Xcode.
Since its a free tool. Can you really bitch about it that much? Your developer license is for distribution as well as testing (give you access to latest software) like some one else said here. The price is about two days of developer's pay. So no biggy here. Once you put the whole infrastructure to deliver and charging and what not no top. That really is peanut.
Lets go back the fiasco of final cut x. Apple has never been great at getting something right the first time. The first mac I ever use was the original macintosh. I didn't own it, my cousin did. And that was pretty much the first machine in the world that support Chinese input. Anyway. I am drifting off again. But as a very long time apple user. I could safely say they never get it right the first time. So I am waiting for the Retina MacBook Pro v.2
But once they get it right - they get it spectacularly right. iPhone came out without 3G , no multi tasking, no API. But once they figured it out - that is 10 billion dollars business for third party developers. And then the iPad one ... And the example can go on and on.
And this is happening for final cut x - lots of people bitch about they didn't have this or didn't come with that. Yes it's true but what they did give you underneath. That is something else entirely different. I am still playing with the idea of writing plugin for final cut x, it has a beautiful api sub system. Apple know their strength was never in pro application development. Why not give people a platform and let third party make a living out of it. You will see more of this soon. I think aperture is going the same direction. Lets hope the 4 come out soon.
Perhaps you will say, the other guys ... Lets take adobe. I use After effects all the time. But once you have worked with it for over a year. You know, the limit been reached. And third party plugins come in to solve the problem. After effects probably has one of the most active and diverse plugin markets. All because it has a very good api (you could just write short piece of code in Javascript to do some stuff.)
As for development. Is there anything better than a true unix core with a beautiful interface on top plus the ability to run any OS on top for testing? And to those who are windows die hard fan ... Well, I don't have much to say. But for Linux people? Did you know you master of universe has been developing the last few version of Linux kernel on - a mac? Yes he didn't run OSX. But the machine is reliable, solid and quiet piece of kit.
I could go on and on, but I don't want to bore you guys.
Lets conclude my first post - apple was never into mass market b.s. this is what stock brokers want you to believe. They are into building the best thing they could. And hopefully somehow some where someone will appreciate it. And to all those people keep comparing a Mac with a (insert the other PC brand here). Why don't you go to their forum? Deep down you want it but you just too afraid to be the only guy in the room using it. I was there for a long time, and in many way I still am. But now I am just a drop of water in the ocean.
It has been a great ride. And I am looking forward to more fantastic things from Apple.
I very much enjoyed your posts, but a minor inconsistency: how is your statement that "Xcode sucks most of the time" jive with your view that Apple is trying to do the best thing?
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Originally Posted by igriv
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11225294/why-is-using-monotouch-for-iphone-development-not-recommended
I have read the short discussion which appears to be equally divided pro and con but some of the comments serve to reinforce my opinion that it is best for me to stick with Xcode. If you like Mono for iOS development I hope it doesn't come back to bite you in the ass.
So, long story short, never spell anything incorrectly or use improper grammar, otherwise yada yada yada; you get the gist.
I do honestly love how these articles that are so rooted in common sense that they needn't even be written always manage to fly WAY off topic. But we've fallen from anything at all computer related to teetering on the edge of a thinly-veiled insult laden discussion here.
Just my two cent (by the way, I use real name unlike most people here that is talking a lot of ...)
So you can check my IMDB. I do make movie sometime for fun. Yes I was really piss off with final cut x when it came out (I still using 7 but that will change soon)
And my day job is actually a software developer. So I guess I could give another 2 cents.
Xcode sucks most of the time. But nobody actually use it as an IDE. I build iOS and ipad stuff on other IDE then by the time it's ready. Compile in Xcode.
Since its a free tool. Can you really bitch about it that much? Your developer license is for distribution as well as testing (give you access to latest software) like some one else said here. The price is about two days of developer's pay. So no biggy here. Once you put the whole infrastructure to deliver and charging and what not no top. That really is peanut.
Lets go back the fiasco of final cut x. Apple has never been great at getting something right the first time. The first mac I ever use was the original macintosh. I didn't own it, my cousin did. And that was pretty much the first machine in the world that support Chinese input. Anyway. I am drifting off again. But as a very long time apple user. I could safely say they never get it right the first time. So I am waiting for the Retina MacBook Pro v.2
But once they get it right - they get it spectacularly right. iPhone came out without 3G , no multi tasking, no API. But once they figured it out - that is 10 billion dollars business for third party developers. And then the iPad one ... And the example can go on and on.
And this is happening for final cut x - lots of people bitch about they didn't have this or didn't come with that. Yes it's true but what they did give you underneath. That is something else entirely different. I am still playing with the idea of writing plugin for final cut x, it has a beautiful api sub system. Apple know their strength was never in pro application development. Why not give people a platform and let third party make a living out of it. You will see more of this soon. I think aperture is going the same direction. Lets hope the 4 come out soon.
Perhaps you will say, the other guys ... Lets take adobe. I use After effects all the time. But once you have worked with it for over a year. You know, the limit been reached. And third party plugins come in to solve the problem. After effects probably has one of the most active and diverse plugin markets. All because it has a very good api (you could just write short piece of code in Javascript to do some stuff.)
As for development. Is there anything better than a true unix core with a beautiful interface on top plus the ability to run any OS on top for testing? And to those who are windows die hard fan ... Well, I don't have much to say. But for Linux people? Did you know you master of universe has been developing the last few version of Linux kernel on - a mac? Yes he didn't run OSX. But the machine is reliable, solid and quiet piece of kit.
I could go on and on, but I don't want to bore you guys.
Lets conclude my first post - apple was never into mass market b.s. this is what stock brokers want you to believe. They are into building the best thing they could. And hopefully somehow some where someone will appreciate it. And to all those people keep comparing a Mac with a (insert the other PC brand here). Why don't you go to their forum? Deep down you want it but you just too afraid to be the only guy in the room using it. I was there for a long time, and in many way I still am. But now I am just a drop of water in the ocean.
It has been a great ride. And I am looking forward to more fantastic things from Apple.
I forgot about android. It will be incomplete if I don't include something about android.
I own three Android phones. Not because I want to. But thanks for all the manufacturers are in the interest of "making your life easier". I have to buy one V1.6 then another one V2.2 then another one V.4
I won't even going to start about the v.3 that is not suppose to be use on smartphone ...
Market share is one thing. Sounds all rosy on paper. Again this is what stock brokers want you to believe ( perhaps what I a going to say is going to make a lot of people unhappy. But I want you to be clear that , I have no good things to say about stock brokers. Especially those came straight out from uni. Have they ever done a real job? I have more respect to the cleaning lady than some stock broker. I rest my case.)
Anyway, the basic principle of software economic is - build it once and sell as many copies as possible. Can someone convince me this is the case going to happen in android market anytime soon? The great man said it just before his passing. Fragmentation is going to kill android. Google has no control over what their partners are doing behind their back. And all those Chinese knock off just going to make things worse.
And this is why Microsoft is building Surface.
p.s. l also own 3GS, 4 and 4s (was robbed earlier this year) I gave my Mom the 4 and as a 60+ Chinese lady whom English ability is about "hi" and "bye". She could share her grand children picture with me, half way around the world. that count for something, right?
Apple was never building things for the cutting edge few. So please stop whining about no i7, fusion drive is nothing new and whatnot. Go build yourself a hacintosh , it's fast and cheap! But guess what apple is doing? They are realising all those thing we saw in sci-movies. A small step at a time, but we get there without knowing it.
@Joelchu
Good couple posts. Thx.
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Originally Posted by Joelchu
This is my first post after reading apple insider for over 10 years.
Just my two cent (by the way, I use real name unlike most people here that is talking a lot of ...)
So you can check my IMDB. I do make movie sometime for fun. Yes I was really piss off with final cut x when it came out (I still using 7 but that will change soon)
And my day job is actually a software developer. So I guess I could give another 2 cents.
Xcode sucks most of the time. But nobody actually use it as an IDE. I build iOS and ipad stuff on other IDE then by the time it's ready. Compile in Xcode.
Since its a free tool. Can you really bitch about it that much? Your developer license is for distribution as well as testing (give you access to latest software) like some one else said here. The price is about two days of developer's pay. So no biggy here. Once you put the whole infrastructure to deliver and charging and what not no top. That really is peanut.
Lets go back the fiasco of final cut x. Apple has never been great at getting something right the first time. The first mac I ever use was the original macintosh. I didn't own it, my cousin did. And that was pretty much the first machine in the world that support Chinese input. Anyway. I am drifting off again. But as a very long time apple user. I could safely say they never get it right the first time. So I am waiting for the Retina MacBook Pro v.2
But once they get it right - they get it spectacularly right. iPhone came out without 3G , no multi tasking, no API. But once they figured it out - that is 10 billion dollars business for third party developers. And then the iPad one ... And the example can go on and on.
And this is happening for final cut x - lots of people bitch about they didn't have this or didn't come with that. Yes it's true but what they did give you underneath. That is something else entirely different. I am still playing with the idea of writing plugin for final cut x, it has a beautiful api sub system. Apple know their strength was never in pro application development. Why not give people a platform and let third party make a living out of it. You will see more of this soon. I think aperture is going the same direction. Lets hope the 4 come out soon.
Perhaps you will say, the other guys ... Lets take adobe. I use After effects all the time. But once you have worked with it for over a year. You know, the limit been reached. And third party plugins come in to solve the problem. After effects probably has one of the most active and diverse plugin markets. All because it has a very good api (you could just write short piece of code in Javascript to do some stuff.)
As for development. Is there anything better than a true unix core with a beautiful interface on top plus the ability to run any OS on top for testing? And to those who are windows die hard fan ... Well, I don't have much to say. But for Linux people? Did you know you master of universe has been developing the last few version of Linux kernel on - a mac? Yes he didn't run OSX. But the machine is reliable, solid and quiet piece of kit.
I could go on and on, but I don't want to bore you guys.
Lets conclude my first post - apple was never into mass market b.s. this is what stock brokers want you to believe. They are into building the best thing they could. And hopefully somehow some where someone will appreciate it. And to all those people keep comparing a Mac with a (insert the other PC brand here). Why don't you go to their forum? Deep down you want it but you just too afraid to be the only guy in the room using it. I was there for a long time, and in many way I still am. But now I am just a drop of water in the ocean.
It has been a great ride. And I am looking forward to more fantastic things from Apple.
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Originally Posted by whoda
Sinofsky shouldn't have been fired, Ballmer should be. What good thing has he done since taking over?
Well, he's been great for Apple's and Google's growth and success, to name two.....