That is incorrect. The RAM is upgradable by the user, it's the access to the RAM that makes it difficult. This may seem like splitting hairs but when so many of Apple's products now have soldered RAM it's an important distinction.
Yes and no. The ram on the 21.5 is listed as non user serviceable which makes doing it a warranty void. The ram on the 27 that it ships with is soldered and non serviceable but there are two slots that are okay for users to fill themselves
Especially when it is fully repairable by an trained technicians.
That's the catch. It isn't that they can't be repaired. It's that Joe Schmoo can't do it himself. Apple isn't required to concern themselves with such tampering and doesn't. Same as with their iDevices
No it's not! For the person that is familiar with working under the hood and loves to tinker, just as with past iMacs, it can be done without too much effort saving you a few hundred bucks on the upgrade. His point is an important one.
Without too much effort?
Really?
And you know this how?
To me it sounds like it's quite a bit harder to get at than past iMacs.
Yes and no. The ram on the 21.5 is listed as non user serviceable which makes doing it a warranty void. The ram on the 27 that it ships with is soldered and non serviceable but there are two slots that are okay for users to fill themselves
The tech specs say that all 4 slots on the 27 are user-accessible. That means no soldered RAM. All 4 slots can be filled or re-filled by the user.
I wish Apple will stop using glue... The ipad 3 and 4 and now the imacs. At least the mini is better, so maybe its a good sign. Anyway, one more reason to justify the apple care on my new imac
The ram on the 21.5 is listed as non user serviceable which makes doing it a warranty void.
Do you have a source for this claim? I haven't looked at the warranty for these new machines, but frankly I'd be rather surprised if they claim can't replace the RAM, which is why I'm incredulous of your claim.
That's like saying you can fill your own gas in the tank of the car but first of all you have to remove the tank.
Distinction... yes... but irrelevant in the end.
Upgrading the memory might need to be done once in a computer's lifetime. Refilling a gas tank, generally at least once a month. I think the metaphor should match the condition at hand better rate of necessity than that. Maybe a non-user-upgradeable gas tank from standard capacity to high capacity.
Also, most users shouldn't be working on their cars.
Yet it has had the highest customer satisfaction rating of all tablets from Day 1.
Guess where Mac satisfaction ratings are (for all Macs compared to PCs - easily repairable or not): #1.
iFixit likes to take shit apart and f around with it. When they can't really do that they get pissed. Perhaps iFixit needs to just deal with it and pay attention to the numbers. This Mac, too, will emerge as tops in satisfaction in its class, not to mention that it too, is a Mac.
The key questions being: how often will it need to be serviced? How easy will it be for a customer to get it replaced? You can be 99% sure Apple has these bases covered.
Umm- you don't have any idea how Ifixit makes their money- do you?
They are a website that tears things apart and make money on easily upgradeable or repairable items- so they sell the tools or aftermarket parts for repair. And they make $.
Why the hate today for Ifixit? They have the best teardowns and photos of anybody on the web and do a fantastic job of documenting and explaining parts used. I think they're great. I also don't expect them to give something that can't be repaired easy yourself high repair ability scores. Wth do people want? They aren't hating- they're just giving an honest assessment of self-repair on an apple product.
They aren't hating- they're just giving an honest assessment of self-repair on an apple product.
They're biased by virtue of the fact that they sell parts for the things. Their ratings shouldn't be seen as unexpected, they should just be seen within that context.
Ding ding they can't make money off these so they suck
Again- the point Ifixit is making is they suck for self-repairability. That's true. Nothing more- nothing less. That's what that webpage asses- self-repair. They don't asses design. Or performance. Or anything else. Why get mad that a webpage does and assigns a value for exactly what they're supposed to assign a value for?
Just because they say something "bad" about apple (when in reality- they are just saying something about apple. I mean- Who the hell would want to repair their own stuff anyway?). But that doesn't mean what they are saying isnt dead on.
You guys are nuts sometimes... Lol
They're biased by virtue of the fact that they sell parts for the things. Their ratings shouldn't be seen as unexpected, they should just be seen within that context.
No... They aren't biased. They are assessing self-repair. That's hand in hand with selling aftermarket parts.
Would they love for it to be more accessible so 1% more people would repair themself? Sure. But that doesn't change the rating. They charge themself the task of rating a self-repair. What would you rate it? An 8? No.. Probably a 3. Lol
A side note- Wouldn't a higher rating give self confidence to people to repair it themself and then buy the parts- even if they can't do it Ifixit makes a sale? If anything- they only lose out by rating low.
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Yes and no. The ram on the 21.5 is listed as non user serviceable which makes doing it a warranty void. The ram on the 27 that it ships with is soldered and non serviceable but there are two slots that are okay for users to fill themselves
Oh wow, this iMac was assembled in USA!! Production does happen in USA afterall.
3rd pic of Step 3
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/iMac+Intel+21.5-Inch+EMC+2544+Teardown/11936/1
Ding ding they can't make money off these so they suck
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Originally Posted by OriginalMacRat
Even in a professional context, users seldom upgrade.
I work in the computer industry and find "professionals" with MacBook Pros still using the base 2GB of memory that came with the laptop.
Even more surprising when some of them make a living on Photoshop which hs a direct performance impact on systems low on memory.
I did max RAM upgrade on every single Mac I've ever owned.
So? How does that refute the statement that the other poster believes that few people upgrade? Couldn't you be one of the few?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I assume iFixit would give this case a 10/10, as each component has its own compartment where it can be removed at will…
The heck is THIS thing?
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Originally Posted by Lord Amhran
The heck is THIS thing?
If that was a part of my working environment, it would be covered with dust everywhere.
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Originally Posted by FreeRange
No it's not! For the person that is familiar with working under the hood and loves to tinker, just as with past iMacs, it can be done without too much effort saving you a few hundred bucks on the upgrade. His point is an important one.
Without too much effort?
Really?
And you know this how?
To me it sounds like it's quite a bit harder to get at than past iMacs.
... and good luck with your warranty.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
Yes and no. The ram on the 21.5 is listed as non user serviceable which makes doing it a warranty void. The ram on the 27 that it ships with is soldered and non serviceable but there are two slots that are okay for users to fill themselves
The tech specs say that all 4 slots on the 27 are user-accessible. That means no soldered RAM. All 4 slots can be filled or re-filled by the user.
Originally Posted by Lord Amhran
The heck is THIS thing?
The "Thermaltake Level 10".
Originally an experiment, it's now an entire line of absolute crap. Matches the usability, spelling, and image quality on their website, at least.
Upgrading the memory might need to be done once in a computer's lifetime. Refilling a gas tank, generally at least once a month. I think the metaphor should match the condition at hand better rate of necessity than that. Maybe a non-user-upgradeable gas tank from standard capacity to high capacity.
Also, most users shouldn't be working on their cars.
I'm aware of that case, it just looks like it is an homage to a particular architecturally famous building.
Originally Posted by JeffDM
I'm aware of that case, it just looks like it is an homage to a particular architecturally famous building.
It has a handle! On the bottom! Horizontally!
Innovation!
Umm- you don't have any idea how Ifixit makes their money- do you?
They are a website that tears things apart and make money on easily upgradeable or repairable items- so they sell the tools or aftermarket parts for repair. And they make $.
Why the hate today for Ifixit? They have the best teardowns and photos of anybody on the web and do a fantastic job of documenting and explaining parts used. I think they're great. I also don't expect them to give something that can't be repaired easy yourself high repair ability scores. Wth do people want? They aren't hating- they're just giving an honest assessment of self-repair on an apple product.
Originally Posted by Andysol
They aren't hating- they're just giving an honest assessment of self-repair on an apple product.
They're biased by virtue of the fact that they sell parts for the things. Their ratings shouldn't be seen as unexpected, they should just be seen within that context.
Just because they say something "bad" about apple (when in reality- they are just saying something about apple. I mean- Who the hell would want to repair their own stuff anyway?). But that doesn't mean what they are saying isnt dead on.
You guys are nuts sometimes... Lol
I didn't notice that.
It's somewhat like this, I thought there was one that fits better.
Would they love for it to be more accessible so 1% more people would repair themself? Sure. But that doesn't change the rating. They charge themself the task of rating a self-repair. What would you rate it? An 8? No.. Probably a 3. Lol
A side note- Wouldn't a higher rating give self confidence to people to repair it themself and then buy the parts- even if they can't do it Ifixit makes a sale? If anything- they only lose out by rating low.