I was thinking the same thing about the shake to send feedback but forgot to mention it in my post. Whose bright idea at Google was that? Also imagine this while walking down the street. To easy to generate a false positive with that "feature".
Have you tried it for yourself to see how easy it is to actually activate the feature accidentally? I suspect it's not the problem you envision it to be.
Have you tried it for yourself to see how easy it is to actually activate the feature accidentally? I suspect it's not the problem you envision it to be.
I haven't tried it for this app, but the "Shake to..." in other apps is pretty sensitive, any bump can do it. I don't know if there is a sensitivity setting that a developer can choose.
And lest anyone accuse me of provincialism, I am installing the Google one, though I don't expect to use it a lot. For me, Apple's service often generated better routes than Google's, be it within a city, between cities or between states. The linking of addresses between on the desktop to phone might come in handy though.
Have you tried it for yourself to see how easy it is to actually activate the feature accidentally? I suspect it's not the problem you envision it to be.
I have not and I do not desire to download the app. It was more or less me speculating/curious about the functionality - it doesn't make much sense to me, but obviously it did to someone else. As a developer (not iOS), it is my job to think about use cases and "thresholds" for events to activate.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
I haven't tried it for this app, but the "Shake to..." in other apps is pretty sensitive, any bump can do it. I don't know if there is a sensitivity setting that a developer can choose.
This has been my experience, too. It seems to easy to trigger a "shake" event in other apps. However, I would hope there would be some way for a developer to control the threshold at which the "shake" event occurs. I would imagine the OS/hardware reports the intensity of acceleration to apps that subscribe to the input and it is up to the app to do something at any given intensity. Not being familiar with iOS or Objective-C, I don't really know, but as a developer that is what I would expect.
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I'll stick with my Apple-presented Google Maps, I think.
I was just posing a hypothesis.
FTFY. And agreed. I've given enough of my data to Google. I have no desire to give more.
I'll stick with my Apple-presented Google Maps, I think.
I was just posing a hypothesis.
You don't have to become a regular user, but at least trying it out a few times would help you better understand other user's comments wouldn't it? After that ignore it's there unless you have another question, or if it really bothers you delete it altogether.
You don't have to become a regular user, but at least trying it out a few times would help you better understand other user's comments wouldn't it? After that ignore it's there unless you have another question, or if it really bothers you delete it altogether.
Still counts as a download for them. And yes, I am that vindictive.
It only works on my iPad, anyway, and it's not designed for that. I'll stick with the maps I have.
I love how there are magically 9351 5-star reviews already. I love how the first review is "I almost died in Australia. thank god this is out."
YEP, GOOGLE SURE ISN'T SKEWING THOSE REVIEWS IN ANY CAPACITY. THERE'S NO FOUL PLAY GOING ON HERE.
Perhaps those using Apple's map app were that unhappy with it. Perhaps there's been a pent-up demand from iPhone owners for a Google maps app as good as their Android version for a long time. Perhaps owners of older iPhones were unhappy about high-priced nav apps from the other "known" names like Tomtom and Navigon, so a free Google app was great news. Perhaps Google's map app really is "all that" to most of those using it.
IMHO it's likely some combination of the above rather than Google personnel finding some backdoor way into the comments section to post a bunch of 5 star reviews.
IMHO it's likely some combination of the above rather than Google personnel finding some backdoor way into the comments section to post a bunch of 5 star reviews.
No backdoor needed; just create multiple accounts. Read some of the reviews and tell me they're not channel-stuffing.
It's nearly as bad as EA's fake user reviews on its own games.
Perhaps those using Apple's map app were that unhappy with it. Perhaps there's been a pent-up demand from iPhone owners for a Google maps app as good as their Android version for a long time. Perhaps owners of older iPhones were unhappy about high-priced nav apps from the other "known" names like Tomtom and Navigon, so a free Google app was great news. Perhaps Google's map app really is "all that" to most of those using it.
IMHO it's likely some combination of the above rather than Google personnel finding some backdoor way into the comments section to post a bunch of 5 star reviews.
Im inclined to agree. While I have had no problems with apple's map app, I know others have and they don't want to wait for the data to improve. I was fed up with the pre iOS 6 version because of the no turn by turn or voice instructions. The interface also felt clunky. The only alternative though was to spend $40+ on a separate app. I'd say Apple's new maps app has been all around good for the ecosystem. Those who wanted an interface update got it, and now you can for the most part choose who your maps "provider" is. Those who like apples maps can stick with theirs, those who complain can dl the google maps app or fork over a hefty sum for some other implementation.
I downloaded it and wow, it's awesome! The UI can be a little awkward but overall, it's a robust app and definitely the one I'll rely on. I have had many bad experiences with iOS Maps.
I downloaded it and went out and took it for a test.
Awesome is certainly not the word I would use to describe it.
The directions it gave me were way out of the way and for a short trip to Walgreens (normally 0.35 mi) it suggested going the opposite direction at two different places that added a quarter mile (total 0.60 mi by Googles suggested route). Although this is thru a residential area it took me out of the way to put me on a six lane hwy and then another major thoroughfare when they could have been avoided except for one crossing at a signal. Google suggested that I enter at an uncontrolled point on the hwy and then after going the opposite direction do a u-turn at another uncontrolled crossing (fairly large planted median in the middle of the freeway). Apple's Maps showed two possible routes, Route 1 including the the same entry on to the fwy but skipping the 2nd long run with the 2nd U-turn. Route 2 matched exactly that I drive - avoiding the messy longer run.
One thing I did really like is that Google's voice from the navigator came thru my cars hands free system (which is what I had expected Apple to do - come on Apple lets put this on your fixit list).
The biggest difference to me is not being able to access my Contacts. Google wants me to Sign In and keep a totally different list of My Places (gee now they not only want to know all about me by the websites I visit - now they want to have me stalked in the real world -- I don't think so). That is the killer for me and why I will not be using it (except as a backup).
I really don't like the UI - I tried to be fair since I am somewhat used to seeing Google's spartan UI in their other products but this thing does not seem to have any flow at all (e.g., it has these smallish buttons with icons that I just had to randomly tap to figure out what they do). It does not feel like an iPhone App IMHO (e.g., windows with a little x in the upper left corner are a no-no, the Human Interface Guidelines are available).
Both Apple and Google have some work to do with these products. With Googles almost 5 year head start I would have expected more from them quite frankly.
The biggest difference to me is not being able to access my Contacts. Google wants me to Sign In and keep a totally different list of My Places (gee now they not only want to know all about me by the websites I visit - now they want to have me stalked in the real world -- I don't think so). That is the killer for me and why I will not be using it (except as a backup).
Yeah, I noticed there was no popover for access to your Contacts. They are really pushing for you to be logged in and have all your contacts on Google. I wonder if they will add it eventually.
Ok so no complaints and now google has completion from a standard apple also proving the problems that it had with in now a turn by turn, we'll Apple will probably win but for google lovers enjoy.
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Originally Posted by ExceptionHandler
I was thinking the same thing about the shake to send feedback but forgot to mention it in my post. Whose bright idea at Google was that? Also imagine this while walking down the street. To easy to generate a false positive with that "feature".
Have you tried it for yourself to see how easy it is to actually activate the feature accidentally? I suspect it's not the problem you envision it to be.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'd think more getting rid of the feature entirely (or not having it on by default) makes more sense. Map means mobile.
Same question to you TS. Are you seeing "shake to report" being activated inadvertantly.
Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Same question to you TS. Are you seeing "shake to report" being activated inadvertantly.
I'll stick with my Apple-presented Google Maps, I think.
I was just posing a hypothesis.
I haven't tried it for this app, but the "Shake to..." in other apps is pretty sensitive, any bump can do it. I don't know if there is a sensitivity setting that a developer can choose.
And lest anyone accuse me of provincialism, I am installing the Google one, though I don't expect to use it a lot. For me, Apple's service often generated better routes than Google's, be it within a city, between cities or between states. The linking of addresses between on the desktop to phone might come in handy though.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Have you tried it for yourself to see how easy it is to actually activate the feature accidentally? I suspect it's not the problem you envision it to be.
I have not and I do not desire to download the app. It was more or less me speculating/curious about the functionality - it doesn't make much sense to me, but obviously it did to someone else. As a developer (not iOS), it is my job to think about use cases and "thresholds" for events to activate.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
I haven't tried it for this app, but the "Shake to..." in other apps is pretty sensitive, any bump can do it. I don't know if there is a sensitivity setting that a developer can choose.
This has been my experience, too. It seems to easy to trigger a "shake" event in other apps. However, I would hope there would be some way for a developer to control the threshold at which the "shake" event occurs. I would imagine the OS/hardware reports the intensity of acceleration to apps that subscribe to the input and it is up to the app to do something at any given intensity. Not being familiar with iOS or Objective-C, I don't really know, but as a developer that is what I would expect.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'll stick with my Apple-presented Google Maps, I think.
I was just posing a hypothesis.
FTFY. And agreed. I've given enough of my data to Google. I have no desire to give more.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'll stick with my Apple-presented Google Maps, I think.
I was just posing a hypothesis.
You don't have to become a regular user, but at least trying it out a few times would help you better understand other user's comments wouldn't it? After that ignore it's there unless you have another question, or if it really bothers you delete it altogether.
Originally Posted by Gatorguy
You don't have to become a regular user, but at least trying it out a few times would help you better understand other user's comments wouldn't it? After that ignore it's there unless you have another question, or if it really bothers you delete it altogether.
Still counts as a download for them. And yes, I am that vindictive.
It only works on my iPad, anyway, and it's not designed for that. I'll stick with the maps I have.
I love how there are magically 9351 5-star reviews already. I love how the first review is "I almost died in Australia. thank god this is out."
YEP, GOOGLE SURE ISN'T SKEWING THOSE REVIEWS IN ANY CAPACITY. THERE'S NO FOUL PLAY GOING ON HERE.
It certainly is curious. And someone has to approve those reviews, right?
The load was so much that some searches didn't even show it, others, didn't allow me to download it. I finally installed it about an hour ago.
Originally Posted by JeffDM
It certainly is curious. And someone has to approve those reviews, right?
No, you just have to have downloaded the app to post one.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
No, you just have to have downloaded the app to post one.
UMMM. . . I think that still requires an iDevice and not one running Android.
Originally Posted by Gatorguy
UMMM. . . I think that still requires an iDevice and not one running Android.
Well… yeah. It's the Apple App Store, after all, not a name-obfuscating knock-off.
Is your point merely to note that people are downloading it?
If so, what's your explanation for the 13x greater 5-star reviews than 4-star?
Perhaps those using Apple's map app were that unhappy with it. Perhaps there's been a pent-up demand from iPhone owners for a Google maps app as good as their Android version for a long time. Perhaps owners of older iPhones were unhappy about high-priced nav apps from the other "known" names like Tomtom and Navigon, so a free Google app was great news. Perhaps Google's map app really is "all that" to most of those using it.
IMHO it's likely some combination of the above rather than Google personnel finding some backdoor way into the comments section to post a bunch of 5 star reviews.
Originally Posted by Gatorguy
IMHO it's likely some combination of the above rather than Google personnel finding some backdoor way into the comments section to post a bunch of 5 star reviews.
No backdoor needed; just create multiple accounts. Read some of the reviews and tell me they're not channel-stuffing.
It's nearly as bad as EA's fake user reviews on its own games.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Perhaps those using Apple's map app were that unhappy with it. Perhaps there's been a pent-up demand from iPhone owners for a Google maps app as good as their Android version for a long time. Perhaps owners of older iPhones were unhappy about high-priced nav apps from the other "known" names like Tomtom and Navigon, so a free Google app was great news. Perhaps Google's map app really is "all that" to most of those using it.
IMHO it's likely some combination of the above rather than Google personnel finding some backdoor way into the comments section to post a bunch of 5 star reviews.
Im inclined to agree. While I have had no problems with apple's map app, I know others have and they don't want to wait for the data to improve. I was fed up with the pre iOS 6 version because of the no turn by turn or voice instructions. The interface also felt clunky. The only alternative though was to spend $40+ on a separate app. I'd say Apple's new maps app has been all around good for the ecosystem. Those who wanted an interface update got it, and now you can for the most part choose who your maps "provider" is. Those who like apples maps can stick with theirs, those who complain can dl the google maps app or fork over a hefty sum for some other implementation.
Edit: forgot quote
Fully agree. I was happy I came across that setting.
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Originally Posted by netrox
I downloaded it and wow, it's awesome! The UI can be a little awkward but overall, it's a robust app and definitely the one I'll rely on. I have had many bad experiences with iOS Maps.
I downloaded it and went out and took it for a test.
Awesome is certainly not the word I would use to describe it.
The directions it gave me were way out of the way and for a short trip to Walgreens (normally 0.35 mi) it suggested going the opposite direction at two different places that added a quarter mile (total 0.60 mi by Googles suggested route). Although this is thru a residential area it took me out of the way to put me on a six lane hwy and then another major thoroughfare when they could have been avoided except for one crossing at a signal. Google suggested that I enter at an uncontrolled point on the hwy and then after going the opposite direction do a u-turn at another uncontrolled crossing (fairly large planted median in the middle of the freeway). Apple's Maps showed two possible routes, Route 1 including the the same entry on to the fwy but skipping the 2nd long run with the 2nd U-turn. Route 2 matched exactly that I drive - avoiding the messy longer run.
One thing I did really like is that Google's voice from the navigator came thru my cars hands free system (which is what I had expected Apple to do - come on Apple lets put this on your fixit list).
The biggest difference to me is not being able to access my Contacts. Google wants me to Sign In and keep a totally different list of My Places (gee now they not only want to know all about me by the websites I visit - now they want to have me stalked in the real world -- I don't think so). That is the killer for me and why I will not be using it (except as a backup).
I really don't like the UI - I tried to be fair since I am somewhat used to seeing Google's spartan UI in their other products but this thing does not seem to have any flow at all (e.g., it has these smallish buttons with icons that I just had to randomly tap to figure out what they do). It does not feel like an iPhone App IMHO (e.g., windows with a little x in the upper left corner are a no-no, the Human Interface Guidelines are available).
Both Apple and Google have some work to do with these products. With Googles almost 5 year head start I would have expected more from them quite frankly.
In your defense they certainly don't go out of their way to show it.
Yeah, I noticed there was no popover for access to your Contacts. They are really pushing for you to be logged in and have all your contacts on Google. I wonder if they will add it eventually.
Honestly, if you are just entering in actual addresses. Yes, Apple Maps works absolutely fine. HOWEVER, do a search on a name?
Forget about it.
There is a reason why this is a top download. I'm betting it will be a top download for a while.
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