Installed on my iphone 4s. After using app, all sound on my phone was switched to vibrate, even when not in Google maps application. Reported problem to Google, uninstalled, rebooted, sound working again.
…as an EU citizen, I can actually do something about that.
Good luck! Ha! It's Google.
8 - What's nagwhare and why does Google Maps classify as such?
Nagware is software that, while "free", perpetually gives modal (or otherwise) popups or notifications about improvements thereto (usually paid) or other software by the same company.
A few funny things about the confirmation bias on your post:
1 - You need to use a GPS to navigate your area? The complaints you have would make sense on a global scale; reducing them to your area, however, makes no sense at all, especially if the competition doesn't have any of those services either.
2 - In what cases does 3D and flyover help you that satellite view does not?
3 - Apple Maps does not have street view anywhere at all, so this point is completely moot.
4 - Apple Maps does not have transit directions anywhere at all, so this is another moot point.
5 - Apple Maps does not have bike routes anywhere at all, so this is another moot point.
6 - What exactly do you mean by deceptive tracking practices? Do you claim that Google tracks you without permission? If so, do you have evidence of that? Because if you do, as an EU citizen, I can actually do something about that. If, on the other hand, you're simply expelling matter through your mouth that should have been expelled through your anal cavity instead, don't even bother.
7 - Extra services are exactly that -- extra. If you don't need them, nothing forces you to log in. Would you rather that the functionality was unavailable at all?
8 - What's nagwhare and why does Google Maps classify as such?
Look, I just published my impressions and most everything we say here is basically opinion. You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time defending the app IMO.
The list was a list of things I found missing from Google maps as I saw it this morning. The points that you call "moot" aren't really points and aren't moot, as I wasn't doing a comparison between the two, just listing missing things from Google maps.
In regards the two substantive questions you raise:
"Deceptive" tracking practices refers to the fact that the app asks you to turn on tracking right at the outset, making the user think that this is required for the programs operation at all. Then to turn it off, first you have to know where to look, and then you have to dig six levels down to turn it off.
"Nagware" usually refers to any software that constantly and endlessly bothers you with questions (typically promotions or adverts for new features etc.) although some people just call this "Microsoft Windows." In this case, I'm using it to refer to the fact that even though it's just a map, Google wants you to "sign in" (so they can monetise your visit). This pops up time and time again if you don't do it.
Google does this with all their properties now and often there are features that are not available to you until you "sign in" and link all your stuff to whatever the Google product of the moment is. For instance even on a Google web search, you have to create a Google+ user account and log-in to release some of the basic features of the search. They do this (obviously) to draw people into their vast evil web.
Basically, they have the morals of a guttersnipe over at Google and it shows in everything they do.
Also: nothing personal but ... lame and incorrect use of "confirmation bias."
I got garmin, but its for offline turn by turn. The problem with both Apple and google is it requires a connection.
Agreed, but my point is he can't claim it is the best without trying a few. My Navigon App is great. Part of the reason is like you say, I don't need an internet connection for it to work.
Apple got EXACTLY what they wanted out of this whole affair. Apple just WON BIG.
Apple wanted the best experience of their users and Google wasn't delivering. The iOS Google maps haven't been updated significantly it's inception while the Android version has been getting better and better. Frankly the Google maps on the iPhone has been an embarrassment when compared to the Android version for years now. The number 1 thing my Android friends point to on their Android phones was turn by turn driving and the general maps features. All I could do was say.. "I have that built into my car. I don't need to mess with mounts and chargers for that.", "I can get that on the iPhone.. I just have to pay for it from TomTom", etc etc.
With iOS maps Apple forced Google's hand. Yes it had problems (though I don't think those problems are as big as people hype them up to be) but it tossed Google out on their butts and made them abandon the "make Android better and ignore iOS" mentality. Google was taking iOS for granted while pushing their own OS. Apple maps was a wake up call... and frankly Google finally got off their ass and delivered. Adobe all over again...
The only negative about the whole thing for Apple was the ding to their quality image but the final result is the same. Pre-Apple maps affair... iPhone maps suck. Post-Apple maps affair... iPhone maps are comparable.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's version of Maps slowly died. As long as Google keeps the experience for maps comparable Apple will be happy to focus on other issues. I suspect Apple Maps will be kept alive enough to keep Google on their toes.
Supposedly the new Google Maps for iOS doesn't display ads. Is that report incorrect Hill60?
Look at this screenshot:-
I wonder how First National Real Estate is there?
Is it an ad, you decide.
Three of their offices are shown by the looks of things, handy to know if you want to buy or sell a house but nowhere near where the actual location is (Off the lower left corner of the map, if you look closely at the top right corner of the ad, you'll see a faint letter 'o' as in the last letter of 'Minto'.), it's more than the distance from the centre of a national park in Victoria to Mildura as it takes less than 1 hour 9 minutes to drive forty miles.
I can't duplicate that search on my iOS Google maps app. It cannot find Selwyn ave in minto.
If the iOS Google maps app uses a generic search to insert unsolicited ads as POIs... That is insidious, and I want no part of it
Please verify whether it is inserting those ad POIs or not.
BTW, Apple maps was able to locate Selwyn ave in minto.
Ever heard of MG Siegler? From Techcrunch? I think he might be a fandroid, like me, because here is what he says about the iPhone Google Maps:
"Question: What are your thoughts on the new google map app for iPhone?
MG Siegler: It’s great. I’ve been using it all morning to get around. It’s worth it for the clearly superior place search functionality alone. Judging from my inbox/replies/etc, it seems like a lot of folks expect me to take a shit on the app. I’m not going to do that. As I’ve always said, my only requirement to use something is that it be the best. And that’s clearly the case here. Google Maps is superior to Apple Maps in most (though not quite all) ways. And I’m excited to have it back on the iPhone. I’ll be using it constantly."
"Deceptive" tracking practices refers to the fact that the app asks you to turn on tracking right at the outset, making the user think that this is required for the programs operation at all. Then to turn it off, first you have to know where to look, and then you have to dig six levels down to turn it off.
"Nagware" usually refers to any software that constantly and endlessly bothers you with questions (typically promotions or adverts for new features etc.) although some people just call this "Microsoft Windows." In this case, I'm using it to refer to the fact that even though it's just a map, Google wants you to "sign in" (so they can monetise your visit). This pops up time and time again if you don't do it.
Google does this with all their properties now and often there are features that are not available to you until you "sign in" and link all your stuff to whatever the Google product of the moment is. For instance even on a Google web search, you have to create a Google+ user account and log-in to release some of the basic features of the search. They do this (obviously) to draw people into their vast evil web.
"Deceptive"? That's a stretch, the app clearly shows what it is used for. Turning it off? a simple google search will show you exactly how to turn it off, you don't need to "know" anything. 6 levels for a one time settings change, give me a break.
It's anonymous tracking data that helps google improve traffic info among other things. If you're just interested in leaching of info supplied by other users then that's fine, but don't bitch about something you aren't supporting.
Asking you to log into google account to enhance a free service is not nagware, most apps do that, look at yelp, runkeeper etc etc.
Now everybody is happy! No more complaints and everyone can have what they prefer without the need to tell others they are wrong.
Not everything… As I posted in a prior thread I am frustrated that there is no 3D Flyover for major cities in France…
You responded that you thought it was due to the fact that the authorities didn't allow airplanes to fly over Paris…
I've verified this with a videographer friend who lives in Paris. He said he was once able, with great difficulty, to get a permit to fly a very specific route over the city to film some footage.
He also said that the only place in France he knew that had 3D flyover is the city of Lyon.
Lyon looks quite nice in 3D in Apple maps actually…
Ever heard of MG Siegler? From Techcrunch? I think he might be a fandroid, like me, because here is what he says about the iPhone Google Maps: "Question: What are your thoughts on the new google map app for iPhone? MG Siegler: It’s great. I’ve been using it all morning to get around. It’s worth it for the clearly superior place search functionality alone. Judging from my inbox/replies/etc, it seems like a lot of folks expect me to take a shit on the app. I’m not going to do that. As I’ve always said, my only requirement to use something is that it be the best. And that’s clearly the case here. Google Maps is superior to Apple Maps in most (though not quite all) ways. And I’m excited to have it back on the iPhone. I’ll be using it constantly." http://parislemon.com/post/37844048970/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-new-google-map-app-for
Well then so far that puts Pogue and Siegler on board with praise for Google's iOS map effort. Now who's the third Musketeer?
Huge improvement compared to Apple Maps here in China, since Google provide Vector-based maps here and Apple image-tile based solution is the only thing we have here.
Feel much better also in term of text and info. But only played a while.
Will play a bit longer and will have more comparison.
For the moment the main feedback is that it feel much better on the eyes.
iOS 6 Apple maps appears to show vectors for most areas of China... Which areas in particular are bit-mapped?
Not to pick just you out, but this kind of a reply is both lame and a bit insulting IMO. The time it takes to post such a reply is no less than simply answering the question. Also, I couldn't see how to get to street view either so I *did* actually read the thread and the article and it isn't stated there either.
"Swiping up from the bottom" only works when you are on a location, and its far from obvious initially how to even get a "location" since there are no pins to drop etc. it's a discoverable feature but not obvious to begin with. Even then, in my area, swiping up from the bottom on a location only gives you street view for some areas. Other areas have no street view and (importantly), no indication of this is given when the information isn't present. Again, in my area, while Apples old map application had street view for the whole city, in many places on Google maps nothing shows at all. Despite the fact that the information is coming from Google.
Insulting people who haven't yet discovered so-called "discoverable features yet, when the app hasn't even been out for more than a few hours is just plain ... insulting.
"Deceptive"? That's a stretch, the app clearly shows what it is used for. Turning it off? a simple google search will show you exactly how to turn it off, you don't need to "know" anything. 6 levels for a one time settings change, give me a break.
It's anonymous tracking data that helps google improve traffic info among other things. If you're just interested in leaching of info supplied by other users then that's fine, but don't bitch about something you aren't supporting.
Asking you to log into google account to enhance a free service is not nagware, most apps do that, look at yelp, runkeeper etc etc.
You are quite wrong about several things here, the most obvious being your assumption that Googles tracking is anonymous in the same sense as Apples is. However you're so rude and annoying that I'm not going to bother talking to you about it.
Yeah, not going to bother. I don't need Big Brother Google tracking my every move and selling (pardon me, monetizing) that info off to others. The Gmail suits (Google holds anyone who sends an email to some one else with a Gmail account though they themselves are NOT Gmail users and so have not signed off on Googles terms of service is open to have their emails read and the information sold) were rather revealing, to me anyway.
Not to pick just you out, but this kind of a reply is both lame and a bit insulting IMO. The time it takes to post such a reply is no less than simply answering the question.
I agree. Politely giving an answer takes less effort than trying to figure out a witty and/or insulting response instead to an honest question. There was zero need for anyone to post if they weren't trying to be helpful.
Alright, I have tested if Apple Maps is better in China than Google Maps. It isn't. Here is my test. In Apple Maps in the middle of China there is a small lake right above the word CHINA. The lake is called Qinghai Lake. To the right of the lake there is a city called Xining. If you zoom in, the lake will disappear (another bug) and the city, well, there is just the name of the city! No streets, no nothing! Try this on Google Maps. There are streets and everything there. The same for every other city around. Apple Maps is empty in the middle of China. Apple maps being better in China than Google Maps is just a myth! Apple Maps sucks in China! See for yourself!
Apple got EXACTLY what they wanted out of this whole affair. Apple just WON BIG.
Apple wanted the best experience of their users and Google wasn't delivering. The iOS Google maps haven't been updated significantly it's inception while the Android version has been getting better and better. Frankly the Google maps on the iPhone has been an embarrassment when compared to the Android version for years now. The number 1 thing my Android friends point to on their Android phones was turn by turn driving and the general maps features. All I could do was say.. "I have that built into my car. I don't need to mess with mounts and chargers for that.", "I can get that on the iPhone.. I just have to pay for it from TomTom", etc etc.
With iOS maps Apple forced Google's hand. Yes it had problems (though I don't think those problems are as big as people hype them up to be) but it tossed Google out on their butts and made them abandon the "make Android better and ignore iOS" mentality. Google was taking iOS for granted while pushing their own OS. Apple maps was a wake up call... and frankly Google finally got off their ass and delivered. Adobe all over again...
The only negative about the whole thing for Apple was the ding to their quality image but the final result is the same. Pre-Apple maps affair... iPhone maps suck. Post-Apple maps affair... iPhone maps are comparable.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's version of Maps slowly died. As long as Google keeps the experience for maps comparable Apple will be happy to focus on other issues. I suspect Apple Maps will be kept alive enough to keep Google on their toes.
I had a similar reaction: forced Googles hand to provide a better service more equivalent to what they had been reserving for their Android. The level of Apple's commitment might be reflected in whether they add public transportation at some point. That's a hole they should be able to fix a lot easier than nailing down the location of every pond, greasy spoon and backstreet on the planet...
You are quite wrong about several things here, the most obvious being your assumption that Googles tracking is anonymous in the same sense as Apples is. However you're so rude and annoying that I'm not going to bother talking to you about it.
Ha Ha, nice try. Show me factual evidence/link showing that the location tracking in Google Maps IOS is not anonymous, otherwise stay crying in your corner.
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Originally Posted by Vaelian
…as an EU citizen, I can actually do something about that.
Good luck! Ha! It's Google.
8 - What's nagwhare and why does Google Maps classify as such?
Nagware is software that, while "free", perpetually gives modal (or otherwise) popups or notifications about improvements thereto (usually paid) or other software by the same company.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaelian
A few funny things about the confirmation bias on your post:
1 - You need to use a GPS to navigate your area? The complaints you have would make sense on a global scale; reducing them to your area, however, makes no sense at all, especially if the competition doesn't have any of those services either.
2 - In what cases does 3D and flyover help you that satellite view does not?
3 - Apple Maps does not have street view anywhere at all, so this point is completely moot.
4 - Apple Maps does not have transit directions anywhere at all, so this is another moot point.
5 - Apple Maps does not have bike routes anywhere at all, so this is another moot point.
6 - What exactly do you mean by deceptive tracking practices? Do you claim that Google tracks you without permission? If so, do you have evidence of that? Because if you do, as an EU citizen, I can actually do something about that. If, on the other hand, you're simply expelling matter through your mouth that should have been expelled through your anal cavity instead, don't even bother.
7 - Extra services are exactly that -- extra. If you don't need them, nothing forces you to log in. Would you rather that the functionality was unavailable at all?
8 - What's nagwhare and why does Google Maps classify as such?
Look, I just published my impressions and most everything we say here is basically opinion. You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time defending the app IMO.
The list was a list of things I found missing from Google maps as I saw it this morning. The points that you call "moot" aren't really points and aren't moot, as I wasn't doing a comparison between the two, just listing missing things from Google maps.
In regards the two substantive questions you raise:
"Deceptive" tracking practices refers to the fact that the app asks you to turn on tracking right at the outset, making the user think that this is required for the programs operation at all. Then to turn it off, first you have to know where to look, and then you have to dig six levels down to turn it off.
"Nagware" usually refers to any software that constantly and endlessly bothers you with questions (typically promotions or adverts for new features etc.) although some people just call this "Microsoft Windows." In this case, I'm using it to refer to the fact that even though it's just a map, Google wants you to "sign in" (so they can monetise your visit). This pops up time and time again if you don't do it.
Google does this with all their properties now and often there are features that are not available to you until you "sign in" and link all your stuff to whatever the Google product of the moment is. For instance even on a Google web search, you have to create a Google+ user account and log-in to release some of the basic features of the search. They do this (obviously) to draw people into their vast evil web.
Basically, they have the morals of a guttersnipe over at Google and it shows in everything they do.
Also: nothing personal but ... lame and incorrect use of "confirmation bias."
Yeah… You wonder whether Apple will be rewarded for doing a good thing poorly – or Google will be rewarded for doing a bad thing well?
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Originally Posted by herbapou
I got garmin, but its for offline turn by turn. The problem with both Apple and google is it requires a connection.
Agreed, but my point is he can't claim it is the best without trying a few. My Navigon App is great. Part of the reason is like you say, I don't need an internet connection for it to work.
Apple wanted the best experience of their users and Google wasn't delivering. The iOS Google maps haven't been updated significantly it's inception while the Android version has been getting better and better. Frankly the Google maps on the iPhone has been an embarrassment when compared to the Android version for years now. The number 1 thing my Android friends point to on their Android phones was turn by turn driving and the general maps features. All I could do was say.. "I have that built into my car. I don't need to mess with mounts and chargers for that.", "I can get that on the iPhone.. I just have to pay for it from TomTom", etc etc.
With iOS maps Apple forced Google's hand. Yes it had problems (though I don't think those problems are as big as people hype them up to be) but it tossed Google out on their butts and made them abandon the "make Android better and ignore iOS" mentality. Google was taking iOS for granted while pushing their own OS. Apple maps was a wake up call... and frankly Google finally got off their ass and delivered. Adobe all over again...
The only negative about the whole thing for Apple was the ding to their quality image but the final result is the same. Pre-Apple maps affair... iPhone maps suck. Post-Apple maps affair... iPhone maps are comparable.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's version of Maps slowly died. As long as Google keeps the experience for maps comparable Apple will be happy to focus on other issues. I suspect Apple Maps will be kept alive enough to keep Google on their toes.
I can't duplicate that search on my iOS Google maps app. It cannot find Selwyn ave in minto.
If the iOS Google maps app uses a generic search to insert unsolicited ads as POIs... That is insidious, and I want no part of it
Please verify whether it is inserting those ad POIs or not.
BTW, Apple maps was able to locate Selwyn ave in minto.
"Question: What are your thoughts on the new google map app for iPhone?
MG Siegler: It’s great. I’ve been using it all morning to get around. It’s worth it for the clearly superior place search functionality alone.
Judging from my inbox/replies/etc, it seems like a lot of folks expect me to take a shit on the app. I’m not going to do that. As I’ve always said, my only requirement to use something is that it be the best. And that’s clearly the case here.
Google Maps is superior to Apple Maps in most (though not quite all) ways. And I’m excited to have it back on the iPhone. I’ll be using it constantly."
http://parislemon.com/post/37844048970/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-new-google-map-app-for
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
"Deceptive" tracking practices refers to the fact that the app asks you to turn on tracking right at the outset, making the user think that this is required for the programs operation at all. Then to turn it off, first you have to know where to look, and then you have to dig six levels down to turn it off.
"Nagware" usually refers to any software that constantly and endlessly bothers you with questions (typically promotions or adverts for new features etc.) although some people just call this "Microsoft Windows." In this case, I'm using it to refer to the fact that even though it's just a map, Google wants you to "sign in" (so they can monetise your visit). This pops up time and time again if you don't do it.
Google does this with all their properties now and often there are features that are not available to you until you "sign in" and link all your stuff to whatever the Google product of the moment is. For instance even on a Google web search, you have to create a Google+ user account and log-in to release some of the basic features of the search. They do this (obviously) to draw people into their vast evil web.
"Deceptive"? That's a stretch, the app clearly shows what it is used for. Turning it off? a simple google search will show you exactly how to turn it off, you don't need to "know" anything. 6 levels for a one time settings change, give me a break.
It's anonymous tracking data that helps google improve traffic info among other things. If you're just interested in leaching of info supplied by other users then that's fine, but don't bitch about something you aren't supporting.
Asking you to log into google account to enhance a free service is not nagware, most apps do that, look at yelp, runkeeper etc etc.
Not everything… As I posted in a prior thread I am frustrated that there is no 3D Flyover for major cities in France…
You responded that you thought it was due to the fact that the authorities didn't allow airplanes to fly over Paris…
I've verified this with a videographer friend who lives in Paris. He said he was once able, with great difficulty, to get a permit to fly a very specific route over the city to film some footage.
He also said that the only place in France he knew that had 3D flyover is the city of Lyon.
Lyon looks quite nice in 3D in Apple maps actually…
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Originally Posted by NelsonX
Ever heard of MG Siegler? From Techcrunch? I think he might be a fandroid, like me, because here is what he says about the iPhone Google Maps: "Question: What are your thoughts on the new google map app for iPhone? MG Siegler: It’s great. I’ve been using it all morning to get around. It’s worth it for the clearly superior place search functionality alone. Judging from my inbox/replies/etc, it seems like a lot of folks expect me to take a shit on the app. I’m not going to do that. As I’ve always said, my only requirement to use something is that it be the best. And that’s clearly the case here. Google Maps is superior to Apple Maps in most (though not quite all) ways. And I’m excited to have it back on the iPhone. I’ll be using it constantly." http://parislemon.com/post/37844048970/what-are-your-thoughts-on-the-new-google-map-app-for
Well then so far that puts Pogue and Siegler on board with praise for Google's iOS map effort. Now who's the third Musketeer?
iOS 6 Apple maps appears to show vectors for most areas of China... Which areas in particular are bit-mapped?
"Swiping up from the bottom" only works when you are on a location, and its far from obvious initially how to even get a "location" since there are no pins to drop etc. it's a discoverable feature but not obvious to begin with. Even then, in my area, swiping up from the bottom on a location only gives you street view for some areas. Other areas have no street view and (importantly), no indication of this is given when the information isn't present. Again, in my area, while Apples old map application had street view for the whole city, in many places on Google maps nothing shows at all. Despite the fact that the information is coming from Google.
Insulting people who haven't yet discovered so-called "discoverable features yet, when the app hasn't even been out for more than a few hours is just plain ... insulting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Not to pick just you out, but this kind of a reply is both lame and a bit insulting IMO. The time it takes to post such a reply is no less than simply answering the question.
I agree. Politely giving an answer takes less effort than trying to figure out a witty and/or insulting response instead to an honest question. There was zero need for anyone to post if they weren't trying to be helpful.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Serendip
Apple got EXACTLY what they wanted out of this whole affair. Apple just WON BIG.
Apple wanted the best experience of their users and Google wasn't delivering. The iOS Google maps haven't been updated significantly it's inception while the Android version has been getting better and better. Frankly the Google maps on the iPhone has been an embarrassment when compared to the Android version for years now. The number 1 thing my Android friends point to on their Android phones was turn by turn driving and the general maps features. All I could do was say.. "I have that built into my car. I don't need to mess with mounts and chargers for that.", "I can get that on the iPhone.. I just have to pay for it from TomTom", etc etc.
With iOS maps Apple forced Google's hand. Yes it had problems (though I don't think those problems are as big as people hype them up to be) but it tossed Google out on their butts and made them abandon the "make Android better and ignore iOS" mentality. Google was taking iOS for granted while pushing their own OS. Apple maps was a wake up call... and frankly Google finally got off their ass and delivered. Adobe all over again...
The only negative about the whole thing for Apple was the ding to their quality image but the final result is the same. Pre-Apple maps affair... iPhone maps suck. Post-Apple maps affair... iPhone maps are comparable.
I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's version of Maps slowly died. As long as Google keeps the experience for maps comparable Apple will be happy to focus on other issues. I suspect Apple Maps will be kept alive enough to keep Google on their toes.
I had a similar reaction: forced Googles hand to provide a better service more equivalent to what they had been reserving for their Android. The level of Apple's commitment might be reflected in whether they add public transportation at some point. That's a hole they should be able to fix a lot easier than nailing down the location of every pond, greasy spoon and backstreet on the planet...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gazoobee
You are quite wrong about several things here, the most obvious being your assumption that Googles tracking is anonymous in the same sense as Apples is. However you're so rude and annoying that I'm not going to bother talking to you about it.
Ha Ha, nice try. Show me factual evidence/link showing that the location tracking in Google Maps IOS is not anonymous, otherwise stay crying in your corner.