Hey, I'm wondering what Apple should do... who would I talk to? Oh yah, I'll ask one of the worst CEOs in Apple's history and the guy who fired Steve Jobs. Sure.
In my mind Sculley only made one real mistake. That was signing the look and feel of the Mac windowed desktop environment over to Microsoft IN PERPETUITY.
As a CEO I don't think you ever sign a document that has the word "perpetuity" in it.
So when it comes to things Sculley says, do as George Costanza did - become Opposite George.
The sheer UNITY of response here is absolutely tremendous.
Well, at least TWO of the usual suspects agreed with Sculley that Apple should 'diversify' and and sell cheap phones to poor countries, lest they lose the race to the bottom like they did in the PC market.
Unhumorously enough, that's backward. It's the third world backwaters that get the natural sugar; we're stuck with HFCS… ????
Yeah.
If I'm not mistaken, Mexican Coke (the drinkable Coke, not the kind that you snort up your nose) contains real sugar cane, while virtually everything here in the US (including Coke), uses HFCS.
The worst thing about Sculley's remark is its obviousness.
Apple doesn't sell just one type of computer, and sooner or later they'll start diversifying their phones as well.
Apple is too big and too smart to cede so much of the market to competitors. I'm surprised so many here underestimate Apple's scope.
Such last-century thinking.
Apple doesn't sell just one type of mobile device, either. They have MacBook Pros, MacBook Airs, iPads, iPad minis, iPhone 4, 4S & 5, and an array of iPods. Even more diversity than looking at it by "computers". Yet, the one thing none of these displays of diversity does not show is a pandering to the expectations of analysts, nor a participation in a commodity market.
This call for Apple to enter the cheap "smartphone" market is just netbooks revisited. An insistence that they must enter a market with no profits simply because "everyone" is doing it. Apple is too smart to cede its business strategy to analysts. I'm surprised so many keep repeating the mistaken ideas of the past.
Can't wait until Apple announces a cheaper phone for emerging markets, so I can hear all the experts hear talk about what a great idea it is, and how important emerging markets are, etc.
If I'm not mistaken, Mexican Coke (the drinkable Coke, not the kind that you snort up your nose) contains real sugar cane, while virtually everything here in the US (including Coke), uses HFCS.
Corn subsidies. They have to do something with all that corn.
YOU'RE FIRED and are NOT coming back to Apple. Apple already has older gen iPhones that are sold to emerging markets as low cost iPhones.
Where exactly are these emerging markets that insist on buying no contract phones for no more than $200.
Asia? Well something like 60% of the resellers buying phones in the US to 'grey market' are sending them to China. Where they are sold for full price plus in droves.
Russia, Poland etc? Apparently that's 25-30% of the resellers, same game
So where's this market that won't buy these 'too expensive' iPhones
You have to give Gil at least a little credit for saving Apple. He did pay NeXT to acquire Apple, and afterward, if he had had any clue what he was doing and been able to hang on to his job, things might have been very different.
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Me too. At least he didn't totally, completely suck as CEO (not quite).
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Spot on.
Sculley probably gets more blame than he deserves for Apple's missteps in the late 80's/early 90's time frame. Granted by the time he was forced out, Apple should have seen the writing on the wall and changed course. Instead they hired one idiot (who, aside from the transition to Power PC was completely incompetent) and then another (whose only saving grace was that he had the foresight to buy NeXT and bring Steve back). You would think that Amelio would have known better having been at Bell, Fairchild, and National Semi and understood the needs of Apple's customers, but he wasted it all and basically orchestrated his own departure by bringing Steve back to advise the company.
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Originally Posted by Conrail
Can't wait until Apple announces a cheaper phone for emerging markets, so I can hear all the experts hear talk about what a great idea it is, and how important emerging markets are, etc.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
Where exactly are these emerging markets that insist on buying no contract phones for no more than $200.
Asia? Well something like 60% of the resellers buying phones in the US to 'grey market' are sending them to China. Where they are sold for full price plus in droves.
Russia, Poland etc? Apparently that's 25-30% of the resellers, same game
So where's this market that won't buy these 'too expensive' iPhones
What is the reason for Apple's continued fascination with markets like China, India, etc? Granted, they are huge opportunities to gain share, but to large segments of the population, Apple is not even an option. The entire market is so focused on price that it almost seems foolish to pursue. Some of the people in these places do not earn enough in their entire working lives to afford even one Apple product, hence the gray market which has any combination of real phones being resold or knockoffs that are made so cheap that it's a miracle they work at all.
What is the reason for Apple's continued fascination with markets like China, India, etc? Granted, they are huge opportunities to gain share, but to large segments of the population, Apple is not even an option. The entire market is so focused on price that it almost seems foolish to pursue. Some of the people in these places do not earn enough in their entire working lives to afford even one Apple product, hence the gray market which has any combination of real phones being resold or knockoffs that are made so cheap that it's a miracle they work at all.
Having a smaller percentage or wealthy or having a much larger percentage of poor does not mean they don't have a huge number of people that can easily afford Apple's products. Asia-Pacifici now has more millions (based on USD) than the US.
This guy suffers from Pepsi Brain Rot disease. Who in the world cares what John Sculley has to say about anything little less Apple Products. He damned near ruined Apple. Apple wants clean, highly engineered, quality products, not cheap crap that others might like to have so nay, nay on cheap iPhones. Let the rest of the world "catch the vision or catch the bus!"
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Hey, I'm wondering what Apple should do... who would I talk to? Oh yah, I'll ask one of the worst CEOs in Apple's history and the guy who fired Steve Jobs. Sure.
Corn syrup. It's cheaper and therefore more "tailored for emerging markets."
In my mind Sculley only made one real mistake. That was signing the look and feel of the Mac windowed desktop environment over to Microsoft IN PERPETUITY.
As a CEO I don't think you ever sign a document that has the word "perpetuity" in it.
So when it comes to things Sculley says, do as George Costanza did - become Opposite George.
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Corn syrup. It's cheaper and therefore more "tailored for emerging markets."
Unhumorously enough, that's backward. It's the third world backwaters that get the natural sugar; we're stuck with HFCS… ????
You're good in making sugared water sculley. Just stay like that.
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The sheer UNITY of response here is absolutely tremendous.
Well, at least TWO of the usual suspects agreed with Sculley that Apple should 'diversify' and and sell cheap phones to poor countries, lest they lose the race to the bottom like they did in the PC market.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Unhumorously enough, that's backward. It's the third world backwaters that get the natural sugar; we're stuck with HFCS… ????
Yeah.
If I'm not mistaken, Mexican Coke (the drinkable Coke, not the kind that you snort up your nose) contains real sugar cane, while virtually everything here in the US (including Coke), uses HFCS.
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Because one-size-fits-all doesn't.
The worst thing about Sculley's remark is its obviousness.
Apple doesn't sell just one type of computer, and sooner or later they'll start diversifying their phones as well.
Apple is too big and too smart to cede so much of the market to competitors. I'm surprised so many here underestimate Apple's scope.
Such last-century thinking.
Apple doesn't sell just one type of mobile device, either. They have MacBook Pros, MacBook Airs, iPads, iPad minis, iPhone 4, 4S & 5, and an array of iPods. Even more diversity than looking at it by "computers". Yet, the one thing none of these displays of diversity does not show is a pandering to the expectations of analysts, nor a participation in a commodity market.
This call for Apple to enter the cheap "smartphone" market is just netbooks revisited. An insistence that they must enter a market with no profits simply because "everyone" is doing it. Apple is too smart to cede its business strategy to analysts. I'm surprised so many keep repeating the mistaken ideas of the past.
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Yeah.
If I'm not mistaken, Mexican Coke (the drinkable Coke, not the kind that you snort up your nose) contains real sugar cane, while virtually everything here in the US (including Coke), uses HFCS.
Corn subsidies. They have to do something with all that corn.
Originally Posted by anonymouse
Corn subsidies. They have to do something with all that corn.
"Grow something else instead" isn't an option?
Heck, keep it out of food: give it all to ethanol. We have sugarcane going to ethanol! That's crazy!
Yep. And what phone did they release on his watch. How high did the stock value go on his watch
And what tech company has he run since then. Correction, what reasonably successful tech company has he run
Where exactly are these emerging markets that insist on buying no contract phones for no more than $200.
Asia? Well something like 60% of the resellers buying phones in the US to 'grey market' are sending them to China. Where they are sold for full price plus in droves.
Russia, Poland etc? Apparently that's 25-30% of the resellers, same game
So where's this market that won't buy these 'too expensive' iPhones
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What I am wondering is what features would this "cheaper" iphone have that the more "expensive" one would not have?
B/W Retina display.
Outgoing voice communication only
Incomming text only.
No Battrey A/C conenction only
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You have to give Gil at least a little credit for saving Apple. He did pay NeXT to acquire Apple, and afterward, if he had had any clue what he was doing and been able to hang on to his job, things might have been very different.
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Originally Posted by MacManFelix
Me too. At least he didn't totally, completely suck as CEO (not quite).
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Spot on.
Sculley probably gets more blame than he deserves for Apple's missteps in the late 80's/early 90's time frame. Granted by the time he was forced out, Apple should have seen the writing on the wall and changed course. Instead they hired one idiot (who, aside from the transition to Power PC was completely incompetent) and then another (whose only saving grace was that he had the foresight to buy NeXT and bring Steve back). You would think that Amelio would have known better having been at Bell, Fairchild, and National Semi and understood the needs of Apple's customers, but he wasted it all and basically orchestrated his own departure by bringing Steve back to advise the company.
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Originally Posted by Conrail
Can't wait until Apple announces a cheaper phone for emerging markets, so I can hear all the experts hear talk about what a great idea it is, and how important emerging markets are, etc.
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Originally Posted by charlituna
Where exactly are these emerging markets that insist on buying no contract phones for no more than $200.
Asia? Well something like 60% of the resellers buying phones in the US to 'grey market' are sending them to China. Where they are sold for full price plus in droves.
Russia, Poland etc? Apparently that's 25-30% of the resellers, same game
So where's this market that won't buy these 'too expensive' iPhones
What is the reason for Apple's continued fascination with markets like China, India, etc? Granted, they are huge opportunities to gain share, but to large segments of the population, Apple is not even an option. The entire market is so focused on price that it almost seems foolish to pursue. Some of the people in these places do not earn enough in their entire working lives to afford even one Apple product, hence the gray market which has any combination of real phones being resold or knockoffs that are made so cheap that it's a miracle they work at all.
Having a smaller percentage or wealthy or having a much larger percentage of poor does not mean they don't have a huge number of people that can easily afford Apple's products. Asia-Pacifici now has more millions (based on USD) than the US.
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Sculley…
You were an idiot way back when… You’re an idiot now… AND, that’s why Jobs FIRED YOU BEFORE !!!
SHUT THE FU** UP AND GO AWAY !!!
NOW!!!!
Originally Posted by Bwinski
…that’s why Jobs FIRED YOU BEFORE !!!
Well, hired. By the time Jobs came back to Apple, Sculley was long gone.