I know that personally, I have my hands full trying to program for iOS ... I'd probably shoot myself if I tried to keep up with all of the different flavors of Android in the wild ... and, that's not even taking into account the different screen sizes, resolutions and processor capabilities. Sheesh.
Well, in a real world..... If your client has corporate agreement with HP you will deploy your servers on HP-UX instead of AIX. Or if client is short on budget you'll run them on glassfish or jboss instead of weblogic. You also have to remember that some still will have XP workstations, some Vista, 7s, few 8s. Some will have Citrix farms, some will have staff accessing from outside on Windows terminal server. CPU, RAM, etc... have you seen Pocket PCs? We got those too. Same .NET programming as PC, same your CPU/OS requirements. Guess what! Nobody shoot himself. I can guarantee if we role play "princess on a pea" our business will be out of the picture.
Guess what? In the "Real World," I'm developing for myself, not for a client. I'm not playing "princess and the pea," I'm playing "realize my own limited resources and work with them." I can't afford the time, effort or capital outlay to try and program for Android, no matter how limited the target platform may be. I'm strictly a one person operation. Realistically, for what I'm attempting, my only real shot at seeing any kind of return on my personal investment is if I write and sell something on the Apple App Store. If I were to attempt the same thing for the Android arena, I would be pouring money down the drain.
If you're working for a company that can afford to focus on multiple platforms, more power to you. I have to be realistic and aim for what is currently attainable for me in the immediate future.
Are you developer? Do you have experience with both iOS and Android?
Yes I do. Gave up on Android and now concentrate on iOS. However, at one time I worked with both to see which was better for my needs and what I wanted to do with my App. That said, I'm still very familiar with Android and keep up on all the changes from version to version, and I still keep the latest SDK around to play with.
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Originally Posted by stelligent
First part used to be absolutely true, but that's changing fast. Second part remains very true.
I still think the first part is true (developers favoring iOS). Ask Eric Schmidt how fast it's changing since he predicted back in Dec 2011 that Android would be the preferred platform for developers by June 2012. Here we are a year later and his prediction still hasn't come true.
Nobody I know is planning on devoting any time to Android. They aren't fooled by the "gazillion" activations per day since everyone knows devices like the GS3 represent a small portion of the market. Many Android devices sold (even today) are low end and still ship with Gingerbread. In 2013 brand new phones are being sold with Gingerbread. Ridiculous.
Schmidt was partially right. When Android market share passes iOS then developer interest will also go with it. But developers aren't concerned with "total market share" - they're concerned with how many devices can capably run their Apps.
Nobody I know is planning on devoting any time to Android. They aren't fooled by the "gazillion" activations per day since everyone knows devices like the GS3 represent a small portion of the market.
Schmidt was partially right. When Android market share passes iOS then developer interest will also go with it. But developers aren't concerned with "total market share" - they're concerned with how many devices can capably run their Apps.
And... some places don't even have the Google Play Store. What good are gazillons of Android phones if people can't buy your app?
You're right... market share is only part of the story. You also have to consider which phones can run your apps... and whether the store is even available.
It's funny.... for years Apple has always touted the number of iTunes accounts and credit cards they have. As a user... I never really paid much attention to that. But it might be the dark horse in all of this.
Nobody I know is planning on devoting any time to Android. They aren't fooled by the "gazillion" activations per day since everyone knows devices like the GS3 represent a small portion of the market.
It is really closer to just 100 billion activations a day.
Not to be over critical (this is a pro-apple site after all and I am on my iPhone but isn't it a bit of over hype to describe installing a patch as adoption? Typically adoption rates refer to new software licenses or purchases....
Not to be over critical (this is a pro-apple site after all and I am on my iPhone but isn't it a bit of over hype to describe installing a patch as adoption? Typically adoption rates refer to new software licenses or purchases....
You're right... running a software update and installing a patch is nothing. But tell that to the 47% of Android users who are currently stuck on Gingerbread (which came out over 2 years ago)
The following pie chart is based on the number of Android devices that have accessed Google Play within a 14-day period ending on January 3, 2013.
Almost half of the Android phones on the planet simply CANNOT run a software update and install a patch to get the newest version.
The following pie chart is based on the number of Android devices that have accessed Google Play within a 14-day period ending on January 3, 2013.
If there's ever a time that people connect to an app store it's the holiday season. Maybe they are still running their software because they don't find anything wrong with it? We;;, at least 2-year old Android devices still work, so there ¡
If there's ever a time that people connect to an app store it's the holiday season. Maybe they are still running their software because they don't find anything wrong with it? We;;, at least 2-year old Android devices still work, so there ¡
We're talking about almost half of the Android phones out there still running Gingerbread... and you think it's by choice?
Think of all those cheap $100 unlocked phones sold across the globe. They don't come with anything higher than Gingerbread and will never receive any updates.
There are a million new Android phones activated every day... and half of them are stuck with a 2 year old OS. That's what's happening...
If there's ever a time that people connect to an app store it's the holiday season. Maybe they are still running their software because they don't find anything wrong with it? We;;, at least 2-year old Android devices still work, so there ¡
Most android users use their phones for sms, calls and the ocasional facebook. As long as it does this and companies like sony keep vomitating "pc companion" on us, they are good to go.
If someone thinks that more than 5% of Android phones are "high end", they are delusional.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
You're right... running a software update and installing a patch is nothing. But tell that to the 47% of Android users who are currently stuck on Gingerbread (which came out over 2 years ago)
The following pie chart is based on the number of Android devices that have accessed Google Play within a 14-day period ending on January 3, 2013.
Almost half of the Android phones on the planet simply CANNOT run a software update and install a patch to get the newest version.
And that's why Apple's adoption rates are news!
In fact, that jelly bean part? 4.1 but they are already on 4.2. It's a disgusting mess and only someone retarded can see that as a good thing.
If there's ever a time that people connect to an app store it's the holiday season. Maybe they are still running their software because they don't find anything wrong with it? We;;, at least 2-year old Android devices still work, so there ¡
We're talking about almost half of the Android phones out there still running Gingerbread... and you think it's by choice?
Think of all those cheap $100 unlocked phones sold across the globe. They don't come with anything higher than Gingerbread and will never receive any updates.
There are a million new Android phones activated every day... and half of them are stuck with a 2 year old OS. That's what's happening...
Lame post of mine. But in all honesty, while I typed it out I was thinking perhaps these customers either don't know any better, or simply don't care. I know some people who didn't know there was a new version out for their iPhone, 6.0 mind you, not 6.1 and when I ask them if they didn't see the red counter on the top right corner they tell me the phone overloads them with info and 'they can't keep track of everything'.
My IT Dept does not want me to upgrade to 6.1 until they have tested that it's secure. After all the work Apple did to stop phone networks getting in the way of upgrades, I now have to put up with this,
My IT Dept does not want me to upgrade to 6.1 until they have tested that it's secure. After all the work Apple did to stop phone networks getting in the way of upgrades, I now have to put up with this,
Maybe things go a bit faster if you give them this:
For information on the security content of this update, please visit this website: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222
47.6% are still on all of Android version 2.3. The last Gingerbread update was released 2 years ago.
It's been 10 months since the very last ICS update and yet version 4.0.x still totals only 9%. All of Jelly Bean — not just the latest point update from November 27, 2012 — only totals 1.2%.
You might want to double check your numbers, ICS is at 29.1%, JB 4.1 is the 9%, JB 4.2 is 1.2% (so 10.2% for all of JB)
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Originally Posted by Andrey
Are you developer? Do you have experience with both iOS and Android?
Just ask the BBC about the joys of developing for Android.
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Originally Posted by Dave MacLachlan
I know that personally, I have my hands full trying to program for iOS ... I'd probably shoot myself if I tried to keep up with all of the different flavors of Android in the wild ... and, that's not even taking into account the different screen sizes, resolutions and processor capabilities. Sheesh.
Well, in a real world..... If your client has corporate agreement with HP you will deploy your servers on HP-UX instead of AIX. Or if client is short on budget you'll run them on glassfish or jboss instead of weblogic. You also have to remember that some still will have XP workstations, some Vista, 7s, few 8s. Some will have Citrix farms, some will have staff accessing from outside on Windows terminal server. CPU, RAM, etc... have you seen Pocket PCs? We got those too. Same .NET programming as PC, same your CPU/OS requirements. Guess what! Nobody shoot himself. I can guarantee if we role play "princess on a pea" our business will be out of the picture.
Guess what? In the "Real World," I'm developing for myself, not for a client. I'm not playing "princess and the pea," I'm playing "realize my own limited resources and work with them." I can't afford the time, effort or capital outlay to try and program for Android, no matter how limited the target platform may be. I'm strictly a one person operation. Realistically, for what I'm attempting, my only real shot at seeing any kind of return on my personal investment is if I write and sell something on the Apple App Store. If I were to attempt the same thing for the Android arena, I would be pouring money down the drain.
If you're working for a company that can afford to focus on multiple platforms, more power to you. I have to be realistic and aim for what is currently attainable for me in the immediate future.
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Originally Posted by Dave MacLachlan
I'm playing "realize my own limited resources and work with them."
Ah, that makes sense. If I'll do something just for fun it will be for sure app for iPad, my favorite toy.
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Originally Posted by Andrey
Are you developer? Do you have experience with both iOS and Android?
Yes I do. Gave up on Android and now concentrate on iOS. However, at one time I worked with both to see which was better for my needs and what I wanted to do with my App. That said, I'm still very familiar with Android and keep up on all the changes from version to version, and I still keep the latest SDK around to play with.
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Originally Posted by stelligent
First part used to be absolutely true, but that's changing fast. Second part remains very true.
I still think the first part is true (developers favoring iOS). Ask Eric Schmidt how fast it's changing since he predicted back in Dec 2011 that Android would be the preferred platform for developers by June 2012. Here we are a year later and his prediction still hasn't come true.
Nobody I know is planning on devoting any time to Android. They aren't fooled by the "gazillion" activations per day since everyone knows devices like the GS3 represent a small portion of the market. Many Android devices sold (even today) are low end and still ship with Gingerbread. In 2013 brand new phones are being sold with Gingerbread. Ridiculous.
Schmidt was partially right. When Android market share passes iOS then developer interest will also go with it. But developers aren't concerned with "total market share" - they're concerned with how many devices can capably run their Apps.
And... some places don't even have the Google Play Store. What good are gazillons of Android phones if people can't buy your app?
You're right... market share is only part of the story. You also have to consider which phones can run your apps... and whether the store is even available.
It's funny.... for years Apple has always touted the number of iTunes accounts and credit cards they have. As a user... I never really paid much attention to that. But it might be the dark horse in all of this.
iOS developers have certainly noticed this...
Originally Posted by Dave MacLachlan
I'm playing "realize my own limited resources and work with them."
Originally Posted by Andrey
Ah, that makes sense. If I'll do something just for fun it will be for sure app for iPad, my favorite toy.
So by your rationale Andrey, the two pairs of people who started these two companies must have been doing something just for fun and toys?
Be grateful somebody like Dave MachLachlan took a risk and used their limited resources to build the company able to give you a job.
It's an occupational hazard for some.
It is really closer to just 100 billion activations a day.
You're right... running a software update and installing a patch is nothing. But tell that to the 47% of Android users who are currently stuck on Gingerbread (which came out over 2 years ago)
The following pie chart is based on the number of Android devices that have accessed Google Play within a 14-day period ending on January 3, 2013.
Almost half of the Android phones on the planet simply CANNOT run a software update and install a patch to get the newest version.
And that's why Apple's adoption rates are news!
That might come sooner than expected ¡
If there's ever a time that people connect to an app store it's the holiday season. Maybe they are still running their software because they don't find anything wrong with it? We;;, at least 2-year old Android devices still work, so there ¡
We're talking about almost half of the Android phones out there still running Gingerbread... and you think it's by choice?
Think of all those cheap $100 unlocked phones sold across the globe. They don't come with anything higher than Gingerbread and will never receive any updates.
There are a million new Android phones activated every day... and half of them are stuck with a 2 year old OS. That's what's happening...
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
If there's ever a time that people connect to an app store it's the holiday season. Maybe they are still running their software because they don't find anything wrong with it? We;;, at least 2-year old Android devices still work, so there ¡
Most android users use their phones for sms, calls and the ocasional facebook. As long as it does this and companies like sony keep vomitating "pc companion" on us, they are good to go.
If someone thinks that more than 5% of Android phones are "high end", they are delusional.
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Originally Posted by Michael Scrip
You're right... running a software update and installing a patch is nothing. But tell that to the 47% of Android users who are currently stuck on Gingerbread (which came out over 2 years ago)
The following pie chart is based on the number of Android devices that have accessed Google Play within a 14-day period ending on January 3, 2013.
Almost half of the Android phones on the planet simply CANNOT run a software update and install a patch to get the newest version.
And that's why Apple's adoption rates are news!
In fact, that jelly bean part? 4.1 but they are already on 4.2. It's a disgusting mess and only someone retarded can see that as a good thing.
Lame post of mine. But in all honesty, while I typed it out I was thinking perhaps these customers either don't know any better, or simply don't care. I know some people who didn't know there was a new version out for their iPhone, 6.0 mind you, not 6.1 and when I ask them if they didn't see the red counter on the top right corner they tell me the phone overloads them with info and 'they can't keep track of everything'.
Still, you make a very valid point sir.
Maybe things go a bit faster if you give them this:
For information on the security content of this update, please visit this website: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222
You might want to double check your numbers, ICS is at 29.1%, JB 4.1 is the 9%, JB 4.2 is 1.2% (so 10.2% for all of JB)
I'm updated now
Apart from that, i was talking of a coffee grinder iPhone 6. How about a 3D-camera iPhone 6?
http://www.ibtimes.com/apple-iphone-5s-or-6-rumors-5-new-features-youre-likely-see-its-release-date-2013-1050118
Rumors. Pushing the envelope since the Age of Stone.