If they enter the phablet category and increase the resolution, how do they convince developers to make compatible apps for a minority of people? It's bad enough with the iPhone 5.
Are developers not supporting the extra space on the iPhone 5?
Previously, changing resolutions created one of the few opportunities for developers to get their app in the limelight and actually make some money, by being one of the first to support a new screen.
Are developers not supporting the extra space on the iPhone 5?
There's a difference between changing resolutions and adding resolutions. The people that actually want a 5" phone represent under 10% of the market. The uses for such a product are even fewer. Why build a product for them, much less software?
It's at 1000 apps so far but that might not be an exhaustive list. This sort of thing has to be done for Android too and when you get unoptimized apps like you see in the following video:
it leaves the large black bars round the edges. This was a problem when the iPad arrived because loads of apps were just pixel-doubled.
It can create a 'gold rush' when there's enough demand for the new device but as you can see with the iPhone 5, it's selling like crazy and developers just aren't racing to update apps because it's not like they can really charge more for it. It's no longer a case where they can add 'HD' and charge for it again, it's just more work.
There's a difference between changing resolutions and adding resolutions. The people that actually want a 5" phone represent under 10% of the market. The uses for such a product are even fewer. Why build a product for them, much less software?
If there's money to be made, Apple will get in. It won't replace the 4" model.
There's a difference between changing resolutions and adding resolutions. The people that actually want a 5" phone represent under 10% of the market. The uses for such a product are even fewer. Why build a product for them, much less software?
The uses are definitely there. For a portable internet device, a lot of us want the biggest screen we can carry in a pocket. (Heck, a 4.6" screen fits easily even in all my shirt pockets.)
As for the number who "want" them, I suspect that many people don't know what they want until they're offered a choice. Just as a mini iPad appeals to a lot of people, I and others think a larger iPhone would.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
Slowly but it's only been out for a short time. There is a list here with apps that have been updated for it: ....
If there's money to be made, Apple will get in. It won't replace the 4" model.
There's money to be made with a 3.5" model. It was replaced. There's money to be made in one with a physical keyboard. "Apple will get in"? Ha!
There's money to be made in wrist-wearable iPods. It was replaced. If the iPod family is supposed to be the crowning example of "Apple will eventually make an iPhone to fill the imagined needs of everyone who pretends to have them", why do they so often NOT fill these needs?
First, we have investors and analysts telling Apple on what they should do with the money they have accumulated and now those same set of people are telling on Apple's product strategies - What do this people think? They now know how to build products and be innovators! Next they are going to tell Hospitals on how to take care of patients and do surgeries. Please give me a break!
Apple needs to think of iPhone a mobile computer, and like a Mac, there should be an option to fully customize. Options: Processor: A6, A6X, etc. Screen Size: 4", 5", 6" Memory: 16,32,64,128G Camera: 8, 16 Megapixel, Carl Zeiss lens, etc. *Case: various color & material options
* There is an opportunity here for 3rd party options to be available. Maybe something more industrial, military grade, limited edition designs, ultra luxury - diamond studded, gold plated, platinum.
Apple needs to think of iPhone a mobile computer, and like a Mac, there should be an option to fully customize.
Apple isn't Dell. No.
I mean, you're probably one of the first to come up with something like this, and I see what you're trying to do with it. But they're not Dell. The Apple that made a different computer for "everyone" is the Apple that almost went bankrupt.
There's money to be made with a 3.5" model. It was replaced. There's money to be made in one with a physical keyboard. "Apple will get in"? Ha!
There's money to be made in wrist-wearable iPods. It was replaced. If the iPod family is supposed to be the crowning example of "Apple will eventually make an iPhone to fill the imagined needs of everyone who pretends to have them", why do they so often NOT fill these needs?
The physical keyboard is not iOS. And by "money to be made," I meant large amount of money for a mass produced item. If the numbers for 4.5+ inch phones are remotely true, Apple will investigate
If apple made a watch sized nano with Bluetooth, I'd be carrying one less device. If apple made a bigger iPhone i'd consider it, but only if it had a higher pixel count. If its just the same resolution with slightly larger pixels, I'll stick with the 4" form factor. But I don't see apple releasing yet another pixel count, there's no way.
Apple needs to think of iPhone a mobile computer, and like a Mac, there should be an option to fully customize.
Options:
Processor: A6, A6X, etc.
Screen Size: 4", 5", 6"
Memory: 16,32,64,128G
Camera: 8, 16 Megapixel, Carl Zeiss lens, etc.
*Case: various color & material options
* There is an opportunity here for 3rd party options to be available. Maybe something more industrial, military grade, limited edition designs, ultra luxury - diamond studded, gold plated, platinum.
I like your idea. You can also get rid of the whole ipod line if you make a cellular radio as an option.
Next thing, if you make the iOS resolution independent, you can get rid of iPad as sub-OS.
And you will end up with a fully configurable i-device product line with screen sizes 4, 5, 6, 8, 10:
common idustrial design, components, OS, simple marketing. Sooner or later lazy Apple will have to do it but it will take them at least 2 years to get there from the start. Well, unless they hire you and me
Currently Apple has no leadership and vision: retina iPad Mini and plastic iphones are all we getting this year??? And they don't know what to do with all that cash? Meh...
Where is bezel-less iPhone/ipad? Where is expansion into appliances, living room and car infotainment?
If apple made a watch sized nano with Bluetooth, I'd be carrying one less device. If apple made a bigger iPhone i'd consider it, but only if it had a higher pixel count. If its just the same resolution with slightly larger pixels, I'll stick with the 4" form factor. But I don't see apple releasing yet another pixel count, there's no way.
I always liked the idea of a wrist watch as controller for a phablet or even stand alone phone.
Purse phone, pure and simple. That is what we are talking about here. Very large numbers of women never go anywhere without a purse. The larger screen is easier to use and see and it fits easily in the purse. Why ignore this market segment? I would like to see numbers on phablet sales and how many are to women.
A year ago, I would have been against a separate, larger iPhone. Now, I'm not. I've realized it's all about iOS, the app ecosystem, and iCloud integration. This is the core of Apple's iOS devices. Splitting the iPhone into 2 sizes would not cause any significant fragmentation, as long as resolution/aspect ratio remained the same, and it would have a whole host of advantages, offering a larger option to those who want/need it, and countering pretty much all the 'wow' factor of competing Android phones which I believe is almost entirely due to size. If there was a 4.7" iPhone or so, it may very well be my 1st choice. This isn't Apple playing "catch-up" or "copying" as some drooling Apple-haters might call it, but simply expanding their product line, as they've done with pretty much all their previous products. I mean, you can only make the screen smaller or larger, and smaller obviously isn't an option. As to which phone Apple will advertise as their "main" one, thats the question. Calling the current iPhone the iPhone mini and the larger one the regular iPhone, as the iPad, would be the cleanest and most consistent in terms of branding, but not sure they'd want to go that route.
There's also the fact that every mm inside a phone is precious. It's amazing what Apple has done with the limited space inside the iPhone 5 compared to larger phones, and with all the extra space they could do some incredible things with battery life, etc.
Apple needs to think of iPhone a mobile computer, and like a Mac, there should be an option to fully customize.
Options:
Processor: A6, A6X, etc.
Screen Size: 4", 5", 6"
Memory: 16,32,64,128G
Camera: 8, 16 Megapixel, Carl Zeiss lens, etc.
*Case: various color & material options
* There is an opportunity here for 3rd party options to be available. Maybe something more industrial, military grade, limited edition designs, ultra luxury - diamond studded, gold plated, platinum.
Probably the worst idea I've heard this year. Oh God. In what world do you live, in that customizable devices lead to success? Believe it or not, consumers don't WANT to make so many damn choices when buying a phone. What the hell does the average consumer know about an A6 vs A6X? Or what lens they should choose? All it will do is confuse the **** out of people and reduce buying certainty. Not to mention increasing supply chain and manufacturing complexity to an exponential degree. Not to mention exponentially increasing fragmentation and app performance for developers. Do you honestly think giving the megapixel and cpu options will increase sales? Or that it's worthile for Apple to manufacture 200 variations of the iPhone? This is a closed device. It's like people like yo have learned absolutely NOTHING from Apple's success the past decade.
". This isn't Apple playing "catch-up" or "copying" as some drooling Apple-haters might call it"
It is called living with reality. That reality is that small phones are OK for low usage, and a complete pain for anything more. Siri was Apple's chosen answer but the public has not quite taken to it.
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Originally Posted by Marvin
If they enter the phablet category and increase the resolution, how do they convince developers to make compatible apps for a minority of people? It's bad enough with the iPhone 5.
Are developers not supporting the extra space on the iPhone 5?
Previously, changing resolutions created one of the few opportunities for developers to get their app in the limelight and actually make some money, by being one of the first to support a new screen.
Originally Posted by KDarling
Are developers not supporting the extra space on the iPhone 5?
There's a difference between changing resolutions and adding resolutions. The people that actually want a 5" phone represent under 10% of the market. The uses for such a product are even fewer. Why build a product for them, much less software?
Slowly but it's only been out for a short time. There is a list here with apps that have been updated for it:
http://appshopper.com/search/?cat=&platform=ios&device=all&sort=update&dir=desc&search="iphone+5"&whatsnew=1
It's at 1000 apps so far but that might not be an exhaustive list. This sort of thing has to be done for Android too and when you get unoptimized apps like you see in the following video:
it leaves the large black bars round the edges. This was a problem when the iPad arrived because loads of apps were just pixel-doubled.
It can create a 'gold rush' when there's enough demand for the new device but as you can see with the iPhone 5, it's selling like crazy and developers just aren't racing to update apps because it's not like they can really charge more for it. It's no longer a case where they can add 'HD' and charge for it again, it's just more work.
If there's money to be made, Apple will get in. It won't replace the 4" model.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
There's a difference between changing resolutions and adding resolutions. The people that actually want a 5" phone represent under 10% of the market. The uses for such a product are even fewer. Why build a product for them, much less software?
The uses are definitely there. For a portable internet device, a lot of us want the biggest screen we can carry in a pocket. (Heck, a 4.6" screen fits easily even in all my shirt pockets.)
As for the number who "want" them, I suspect that many people don't know what they want until they're offered a choice. Just as a mini iPad appeals to a lot of people, I and others think a larger iPhone would.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marvin
Slowly but it's only been out for a short time. There is a list here with apps that have been updated for it: ....
Thanks for the informative reply!
Originally Posted by jungmark
If there's money to be made, Apple will get in. It won't replace the 4" model.
There's money to be made with a 3.5" model. It was replaced. There's money to be made in one with a physical keyboard. "Apple will get in"? Ha!
There's money to be made in wrist-wearable iPods. It was replaced. If the iPod family is supposed to be the crowning example of "Apple will eventually make an iPhone to fill the imagined needs of everyone who pretends to have them", why do they so often NOT fill these needs?
First, we have investors and analysts telling Apple on what they should do with the money they have accumulated and now those same set of people are telling on Apple's product strategies - What do this people think? They now know how to build products and be innovators! Next they are going to tell Hospitals on how to take care of patients and do surgeries. Please give me a break!
Options:
Processor: A6, A6X, etc.
Screen Size: 4", 5", 6"
Memory: 16,32,64,128G
Camera: 8, 16 Megapixel, Carl Zeiss lens, etc.
*Case: various color & material options
* There is an opportunity here for 3rd party options to be available. Maybe something more industrial, military grade, limited edition designs, ultra luxury - diamond studded, gold plated, platinum.
Originally Posted by Apple Pie
Apple needs to think of iPhone a mobile computer, and like a Mac, there should be an option to fully customize.
Apple isn't Dell. No.
I mean, you're probably one of the first to come up with something like this, and I see what you're trying to do with it. But they're not Dell. The Apple that made a different computer for "everyone" is the Apple that almost went bankrupt.
The physical keyboard is not iOS. And by "money to be made," I meant large amount of money for a mass produced item. If the numbers for 4.5+ inch phones are remotely true, Apple will investigate
Next thing, if you make the iOS resolution independent, you can get rid of iPad as sub-OS.
And you will end up with a fully configurable i-device product line with screen sizes 4, 5, 6, 8, 10:
common idustrial design, components, OS, simple marketing. Sooner or later lazy Apple will have to do it but it will take them at least 2 years to get there from the start. Well, unless they hire you and me
Currently Apple has no leadership and vision: retina iPad Mini and plastic iphones are all we getting this year??? And they don't know what to do with all that cash? Meh...
Where is bezel-less iPhone/ipad? Where is expansion into appliances, living room and car infotainment?
Purse phone, pure and simple. That is what we are talking about here. Very large numbers of women never go anywhere without a purse. The larger screen is easier to use and see and it fits easily in the purse. Why ignore this market segment? I would like to see numbers on phablet sales and how many are to women.
There's also the fact that every mm inside a phone is precious. It's amazing what Apple has done with the limited space inside the iPhone 5 compared to larger phones, and with all the extra space they could do some incredible things with battery life, etc.
Also, the Nexus 4 looks tempting, and I've been a long-time hardcore Apple fan.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple Pie
Apple needs to think of iPhone a mobile computer, and like a Mac, there should be an option to fully customize.
Options:
Processor: A6, A6X, etc.
Screen Size: 4", 5", 6"
Memory: 16,32,64,128G
Camera: 8, 16 Megapixel, Carl Zeiss lens, etc.
*Case: various color & material options
* There is an opportunity here for 3rd party options to be available. Maybe something more industrial, military grade, limited edition designs, ultra luxury - diamond studded, gold plated, platinum.
Probably the worst idea I've heard this year. Oh God. In what world do you live, in that customizable devices lead to success? Believe it or not, consumers don't WANT to make so many damn choices when buying a phone. What the hell does the average consumer know about an A6 vs A6X? Or what lens they should choose? All it will do is confuse the **** out of people and reduce buying certainty. Not to mention increasing supply chain and manufacturing complexity to an exponential degree. Not to mention exponentially increasing fragmentation and app performance for developers. Do you honestly think giving the megapixel and cpu options will increase sales? Or that it's worthile for Apple to manufacture 200 variations of the iPhone? This is a closed device. It's like people like yo have learned absolutely NOTHING from Apple's success the past decade.
It is called living with reality.
That reality is that small phones are OK for low usage, and a complete pain for anything more.
Siri was Apple's chosen answer but the public has not quite taken to it.